Mortgage rates hit record lows as S&P downgrades US

Despite the downgrade of US government debt from AAA to AA+, US mortgage interest rates hit record lows. Is this the bottom of mortgage interest rates?

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Resale Home Price …… $515,000

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The witches brew of toxic mortgages brought down the US economy, and now the copious amounts of debt the US government took on to help prop up the housing market and the economy is starting to have its own ill effects.

S&P Downgrades U.S. to AA+: So What?

Peter Cohan — Aug. 6 2011 – 9:21 am

Late Friday evening, S&P downgraded the U.S.’s long-term debt rating to AA+ with a negative outlook. If that downgrade has no economic impact, it will fade from the headlines. And that is the most likely scenario.

I agree with this author. Investors are obviously not sharing S&Ps concern over the United States's ability to meet its debt obligations. Worldwide investors are looking at their alternatives and deciding that the United States is as stable as it gets.

The downgrade should come as no surprise. On July 25, The Daily Beast quoted me as saying that a downgrade was “inevitable.” And since I am not on Wall Street, I am confident that I was among the last to come to that conclusion.

After all, S&P was telegraphing that it would downgrade the U.S. for weeks when it said it would do so unless it saw a plan to cut the deficit by $4 trillion. Late last month it became quite clear that there would be no plan that big. So investors’ only uncertainty regarding S&P was whether it would follow through on its threat — and it did so, albeit a week later than anticipated.

How much of this was the people in charge at the S&P trying to influence US politics? Investors obviously don't think S&P has much credibility, and after their less than stellar ratings on mortgage CDOs, who could blame them?

Behind S&P’s downgrade is an economic model of the U.S.’s fiscal state over the next decade. That S&P model uses a Congressional Budget Office projection of $2.1 trillion in budget reductions over 10 years from the recently passed debt ceiling deal to forecast a rise in the U.S.’s net general government debt-to-GDP ratio.

The U.S.’s ratio is forecast to rise above those of governments that are retaining their AAA rating. Specifically, S&P forecasts that the U.S.’s debt-to-GDP ratio will increase steadily from 74% (2011) to 79% in 2015 and 85% by 2021.

Interestingly, AAA-rated governments — including Canada, France, Germany, and the U.K. — do better than the U.S. in some cases and worse in others. For example, Canada is the world’s healthiest AAA-rated government with debt-to-GDP of 34% in 2011 and 30% in 2015. But the U.K. is worse off than the U.S. in 2011 (80%) and France, with 83% is worse off in 2015.

The difference in S&P’s view between the U.S. and the U.K. and France is that it forecasts that our debt-to-GDP ratio will keep going up by 2021 whereas their ratios will start to go down by 2021.

The S&P is not considering the effect a resurgent US economy would have on its tax revenues. Further, it also doesn't reflect the likelihood of further budget battles to close the deficit when the economy does improve. Most economists agree that austerity during a time of financial recession generally makes the problem worse. It may be necessary, but it is economically harmful.

Wall Street operates on the gap between expectations and reality. And S&P’s decision should come as no surprise. The only question is whether any institutions will be required by their charters to sell U.S. treasury securities now that S&P no longer rates them AAA.

Some public pension funds and mutual funds may be required to sell U.S. treasuries. My guess is that will amount to sales of 3% of their combined U.S. treasury holdings — assuming that those funds did not sell them in anticipation of S&P’s move.

This is the main impact a downgrade might have. Many funds have limited discretion when dealing with their holdings. They must hold only highly rated securities, and if a security is downgraded, they must sell it.

For most investors, an S&P rating is not the critical factor in their investment decisions.

Meanwhile, assuming S&P’s move had been anticipated by the markets, one would expect to see higher interest rates in the U.S. and lower interest rates in the AAA-rated countries. That’s because prudent investors would be dumping U.S. securities and buying securities in AAA-rated Canada, France, Germany, and the U.K.

If the S&P carried weight with investors, this is exactly what would occur.

As it turns out, that is not quite what happened. Instead, rates tumbled in the U.S. and in all the other countries and the U.S. ended last week with the third-lowest 10 year bond yield of its peers — just slightly higher than those of the world’s healthiest AAA-rated country, Canada.

Here are the sizes in trillions of dollars of the five countries’ marketable treasury securities markets along with changes to their 10-year treasury yields between July 1 and August 5:

Not surprisingly, big investors who set these rates are coming to a different conclusion than S&P. The U.S. treasury market is over four times bigger than Germany’s. And for investors like China — that own $1.1 trillion in U.S. treasuries – that superior size offers a comforting level of liquidity.

For all the joy that some take in S&P’s decision to downgrade the U.S., global investors passed their verdict on the U.S. before S&P’s late night press release — by lending the U.S. money for 10 years at a 19% lower rate than they did a month ago.

It remains to be seen whether all the weekend huffing and puffing will change that.

Further evidence of the flight to quality embracing the US is in its mortgage interest rates. Since nearly all US mortgage finance is directly backed by the full faith and credit of the US government, GSE asset-backed securities are a proxy for US Treasuries. Most would speculate that if the US starts having credit problems, mortgage interest rates would invariably move higher.

It isn't working out that way.

Mortgage Rates Hit Record Lows Amid Signs of Weakening Economy

Aug. 4, 2011 /PRNewswire/ — Freddie Mac

MCLEAN, Va., Aug. 4, 2011 /PRNewswire/ — Freddie Mac (OTC: FMCC) today released the results of its Primary Mortgage Market Survey® (PMMS®), showing mortgage rates dropping sharply amid falling bond yields and signs of a weaker than expected economy. The 30-year fixed averaged 4.39 percent, its lowest level for 2011. The 15-year fixed and 5-year ARM set new historical record lows averaging 3.54 percent and 3.18 percent, respectively.

News Facts

  • 30-year fixed-rate mortgage (FRM) averaged 4.39 percent with an average 0.8 point for the week ending August 4, 2011, down from last week when it averaged 4.55 percent. Last year at this time, the 30-year FRM averaged 4.49 percent.

  • 15-year FRM this week averaged 3.54 percent with an average 0.7 point, down from last week when it also averaged 3.66 percent. A year ago at this time, the 15-year FRM averaged 3.95 percent.

  • 1-year Treasury-indexed ARM averaged 3.02 percent this week with an average 0.5 point, up from last week when it averaged 2.95 percent. At this time last year, the 1-year ARM averaged 3.55 percent.

Average commitment rates should be reported along with average fees and points to reflect the total cost of obtaining the mortgage. Visit the following links for Regional and National Mortgage Rate Details and Definitions.

The stock market is tanking right now because investors believe the semi-austerity in the budget agreement will hurt economic output. Bond prices are moving higher (and yields are moving lower) because money is fleeing the stock market and seeking the safety of government-backed mortgage securities.

The downgrade of the US government should be having the opposite effect on bond markets. Instead, investors are more afraid of a weakening economy than they are of the US defaulting on it obligations.

Quotes

Attributed to Frank Nothaft, vice president and chief economist, Freddie Mac.

  • “Treasury bond yields fell markedly after signs the economy was weaker than what markets had previously thought allowing fixed mortgage rates to follow this week with the 15-year fixed and 5-year ARM setting new historical lows. The economy grew 1.3 percent in the second quarter, which was below the market consensus forecast, and first quarter growth was cut to less than a quarter of what was originally reported. In fact, the first half of this year was the worst six-month period since the economic recovery began in June 2009. Moreover, consumer spending fell 0.2 percent in June, representing the first decline since September 2009.

If the economy is hurting, the housing market will remain in the doldrums. The only thing that is going to save the housing market is more demand from people going back to work and qualifying for mortgages.

  • “On a positive note, there were indications that the housing market is firming. Real residential fixed investments added growth to the economy in the second quarter after subtracting from growth over the first three months of the year. The CoreLogic® National House Price Index rose for the third straight month in June (not seasonally adjusted) and was the first three-month gain since June 2010. Finally, pending existing home sales rose for a second consecutive month in June and was up nearly 20 percent from June 2010 when the housing tax credits expired.”

If strength in the housing market is being touted as the good news, we are in serious economic trouble. The good news in the housing market is an illusion. Without continued strong job growth, the housing market is going nowhere.

What does this mean for today's home buyers?

Anyone who was going to buy, lower interest rates are great news. The abundance of bank inventory in many markets is making for a buyer's market. Sellers are competing with each other, and asking prices are generally falling. Lower interest rates in a buyer's market makes for better deals for buyers. Anyone considering a property with a cost of ownership lower than rent should take advantage of the low rates and take on fixed-rate debt while the rates are still this low. When rates go up, and they will eventually move higher, resale prices will likely come down further, but for those with a long ownership horizon, locking in a low cost of ownership is a nice benefit.

A note on FHA financing costs

Since FHA is facing mounting losses, the cost of FHA insurance has been going up and up. It currently stands at 1.15% of the purchase price. The cost of FHA insurance is so high that it pushes effective interest rates up over 6%. When interest rates get very low like they are now, conventional buyers obtain a huge cost advantage over FHA buyers.

For instance, today's featured property would have an FHA insurance cost of $572 per month. That cost comes directly out of the buyers ability to finance a payment. Magnified by 4.31% interest rates, and the additional $572 creates a significant reduction in buying power. Looked at another way, to finance today's featured property, an FHA borrower would need to make $144,286. A conventional buyer needs only a $105,868 income.

The bottom line is that many properties in Irvine now trade at or below rental parity, but only for conventional borrowers putting 20% down. Those borrowers have the lowest opportunity cost (they are pulling money out of CDs paying less than 2%) and they have the lowest borrowing costs because they avoid private mortgage insurance.

Irvine has traditionally been a move-up market with relatively little FHA financing. The cost differential will make that phenomenon continue unless prices come down significantly. The question is, “How many conventional buyers are still out there?” The low sales volumes attest to the lack of conventional buyers. If distressed inventories remain low — which is doubtful — then prices may hold where they are. However, with the low demand, prices may need to fall to where FHA buyers can afford to help clean up the mess.

No Red Tape Mortgage

The former owners of today's featured property paid $450,000 on 1/15/2003 using a $360,000 first mortgage and a $90,000 down payment. On 11/26/2003 they refinanced with a $460,000 first mortgage from New Century and withdrew their down payment plus $10,000 of spending money.

On 9/1/2006 the now defunct No Red Tape Mortgage company gave them a $637,500 first mortgage. I think No Red Tape Mortgage was well named. It epitomized the complete lack of mortgage qualification standards rampant during the housing bubble. No red tape means no documentation and no qualification standards. Just ask you you shall receive.

The former owners received $277,500 in mortgage equity withdrawal before they quit paying.

Foreclosure Record

Recording Date: 04/06/2011

Document Type: Notice of Sale

Foreclosure Record

Recording Date: 10/04/2010

Document Type: Notice of Default

Domestic Cash Buyer

The property was sold to an all-cash buyer who lives in Irvine, probably as an investment. With limited opportunity for appreciation and an extremely poor cap rate, it isn't an investment I would chose.

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This property is not available for sale via the MLS.

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949.769.1599

sales@idealhomebrokers.com

Irvine House Address … 5 CROSSKEY Irvine, CA 92620

Resale House Price …… $515,000

Beds: 4

Baths: 2

Sq. Ft.: 1918

$269/SF

Property Type: Residential, Single Family

Style: One Level, Ground Level, Ranch

Year Built: 1977

Community: Northwood

County: Orange

MLS#: K11068939

Source: CRMLS

Status: Closed

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CASH OFFERS ONLY AT THIS TIME. A great fixer for you investors. Nice property in Northwood area. Needs work but ready for the right buyer that wants to make this place their own. 3 bedrooms, 2 bath, 2 car garage with direct access to home. High ceilings. Property has great potential. This is not a short sale.

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Proprietary IHB commentary and analysis

The previous owners who pulled over $250K out of the property obviously didn't put any back into it. Their seven years of ownership left it as a fixer.

Resale Home Price …… $515,000

House Purchase Price … $450,000

House Purchase Date …. 1/15/2003

Net Gain (Loss) ………. $34,100

Percent Change ………. 7.6%

Annual Appreciation … 1.5%

Cost of Home Ownership

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$515,000 ………. Asking Price

$18,025 ………. 3.5% Down FHA Financing

4.31% …………… Mortgage Interest Rate

$496,975 ………. 30-Year Mortgage

$144,288 ………. Income Requirement

$2,462 ………. Monthly Mortgage Payment

$446 ………. Property Tax (@1.04%)

$0 ………. Special Taxes and Levies (Mello Roos)

$107 ………. Homeowners Insurance (@ 0.25%)

$572 ………. Private Mortgage Insurance

$140 ………. Homeowners Association Fees

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$3,727 ………. Monthly Cash Outlays

-$558 ………. Tax Savings (% of Interest and Property Tax)

-$677 ………. Equity Hidden in Payment (Amortization)

$28 ………. Lost Income to Down Payment (net of taxes)

$84 ………. Maintenance and Replacement Reserves

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$2,605 ………. Monthly Cost of Ownership

Cash Acquisition Demands

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$5,150 ………. Furnishing and Move In @1%

$5,150 ………. Closing Costs @1%

$4,970 ………… Interest Points @1% of Loan

$18,025 ………. Down Payment

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$33,295 ………. Total Cash Costs

$39,900 ………… Emergency Cash Reserves

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$73,195 ………. Total Savings Needed

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25 thoughts on “Mortgage rates hit record lows as S&P downgrades US

    1. Anonymous

      It’s all about me me me and political interest kickbacks, not the American people … finally someone calls it like it is

      “For decades, political careerism has trumped statesmanship in Washington,” Coburn said. “Both parties have done what is safe, not what is right. The dysfunction in Washington is the belief that we can live beyond our means forever. We can’t.”

      “The moment to make the hard decisions we have long avoided has arrived,” Coburn said. “There is no where left to kick the can.”

      -Senator Tom Coburn, an Oklahoma Republican and a member of the so-called Gang of Six

  1. lee in irvine

    More folly …

    Published: Monday, 8 Aug 2011 | 10:53 AM ET
    By: Associated Press with CNBC.com

    “Standard & Poor’s downgraded the ratings of government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Monday, citing their reliance on U.S. government.”

      1. Chuck Ponzi

        Rates are headed LOWER. Money is seeking yield. Out of equities, into something else.

        Since precious metals don’t pay dividends, they’re relegated to speculators. The rest of the real world is throwing it into yielding bonds, and FNM and FRE bonds still pay more than USTs.

        If they truly are as safe as USTs (per S&P’s assessment that they are part of the USG, or the USG has explicit and guaranteed backing of them), they can fall even lower. I wouldn’t be surprised at 30yr fixed in the 3’s.

        Chuck

        1. awgee

          “Since precious metals don’t pay dividends, they’re relegated to speculators.”

          have you personally asked those who are buying gold why they are buying? Do you know that they are speculating on the price, or so you assume that buying any asset that does not pay dividends is speculative?

          Reports just came our on the various central banks buying gold. Are they speculating?

          Chinese citizens can walk into Chinese banks and buy gold bullion. Are they speculating on the price? And in what currency? Is it your thought that because it does not pay dividends that the Chinese and the Indians are buying gold as a speculation on the price in their currencies?

          What percentage of those buying gold are speculators and do you have any evidence for your statement other yoyur premise that metals do not pay dividends therfore buyers are speculators?

          1. rkp

            please enlighten us to the benefits of buying gold awgee. are you buying for an inflation hedge? what happens when gold goes down in price? is the idea that the purchase power remains the same so you didnt really lose anything?

          2. awgee

            Can’t enlighten you, cuz I don’t know if there are any benefits to your buying gold. I am not buying gold, and I am very unsure as to what an inflation hedge is. When gold goes down in price, it goes down in price. I am a bit confuse by that last question. I have no idea if purchase power remains the same.

            My comment above is trying to find out why a purchase of a particular asset is a speculation if it does not pay a dividend? Is that the commenters definition of speculation? If so, what about the people who buy an asset with the intention of retaining their wealth, saving? If a people would rather save with gold rather than an interest or dividend paying account or asset, are they spculators?

            My observation is that a large number of the people who buy gold, buy it because they do not trust banks, governments, etc., not because they are speculating on a change in price in their currency.

            The majority of the world’s gold is held by central banks, not know for their speculative positions. Lately, much gold has been purchased by central banks and the gold etfs. If Mr. Ponzi thinks the cental banks are speculating on the price of gold in terms of a currency, I would truly be interested in hearing about that.

            My guess is that Mr. Ponzi, although knowledgable about many things, does not have a clue what he is talking about when he talks about gold and those who purchase it.

      2. winstongator

        Investors obviously don’t believe S&P, or they just don’t care what they think.

        Japan was downgraded years ago and their borrowing rates are lower than ours. I don’t know if they are lower in a real in(de)flation adjusted sense, but nominally they are lower.

        1. lee in irvine

          JMHO …

          Investors are seeking safety, therefore despite what those (useless) credit agencies say, the USA and Japan are large developed countries with the ability to tax & print. That’s why I think there’s rotation into bonds. Think about it, if you’re a fund manager, where are you to put a billion dollars today? Not emerging markets! Not commodities!

        2. HydroCabron

          There’s an argument to be made that the U.S. currently enjoys the privilege of borrowing at negative interest rates. The only downside, of course, is a burst of inflation which would end that situation.

          If our debt were only short term – hahahahahaha! – the government would be almost morally obligated to borrow, since it’s currently profitable for them to do so.

  2. Mark

    I find it interesting how everything else is rising in price significantly over the last 24 months: fuel, food and education, yet the cost of money to purchase a home? Never been lower.

    It’s funny watching the presss jump on the “but Moody’s!!!”. Moody’s is also demanding the US make more significant cuts to its deficit. How can Moody’s be at all “convinced” in a AAA rating? With cameras and microphones off, I think they are not.

  3. Vincenzo

    >I agree with this author. Investors are obviously not sharing S&Ps; concern over the United States’s ability to meet its debt obligations. Worldwide investors are looking at their alternatives and deciding that the United States is as stable as it gets.

    Actually, the biggest buyers of the US securities are:
    * The Federal Reserve – 80%. Bernanke prints money and buys all excessive debt, lowering the interest rate on them.
    * Social Security Trust – all pension money is invested in useless paper. If the US government defaults, the grannies won’t receive their retirement checks.

  4. rkp

    How much did the all cash buyer buy this for? I am guessing it was purchased at foreclosure auction.

    1. rkp

      nevermind – i realize someone already purchased this. i thought a cashbuyer is trying to flip it.

  5. RetiredPara

    Financing issues are among the biggest impactors. Specifically, one’s credit score determines what the interest rate will be now, after Dodd/Frank. And guess what? The credit score you think you have is not the one the banks will use when you apply for a home loan. It may get you a $2500.00 credit card, but rules for scoring credit have gotten revised, and not in favor of the consumer. Expect up to a 50 point difference in what you believe your credit score to be, and what the ratings folks give your bank when they order your score. Thank you Liberals!

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