Monthly Archives: September 2007

New Century Condo – 2005 Flip ** Update 1 **

This post first appeared on March 17, 2007. The owners lowered their price to breakeven and left it there for about 6 months. Now it appears they are becoming more motivated to sell. The price has been reduced to $550,000. Unfortunately, that is still too much money for this apartment condo.

Mongomery Condo Inside

New Asking Price: $550,000

Old Asking Price: $610,000

Purchase Price: $565,000
Purchase Date: 5/26/2005

Address: 1 MONTGOMERY 46, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 3
Baths: 2.5
Sq. Ft.*: 1,639
Year Built: 1977
Stories: 2
$/Sq. Ft.*: $381
MLS: I700005
Status: Active on market

Craigslist, Redfin, Zillow.

This property is located in the triangular area between the 5, Walnut and Yale. It is very near the 5 (in other words, it is noisy.) It was purchased on May 26, 2005 for $565,000. There is a first mortgage from New Century for $452,000 and a second from New Century for $113,000. This is a 100% financed property. The current owner is asking $610,000. If sold at the current asking price and assuming 6% in selling costs, the sellers are looking at a profit of around $7,500. This leaves them a bit of negotiating room to break even. It looks like they might need it: Zillow thinks it is only worth $603,830. Do you think they will get it? Or, perhaps, New Century will have to eat another one?

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P.S. I originally wrote this post on 3/15/2007 and the asking price was $625,000. When I posted it on 3/17/2007, the price had been reduced to $610,000. Are the owners becoming more motivated?

Speed of Sound

An ode to all of us waiting our turn to own a house in Irvine…

How long before I get in?

Before it starts, before I begin?

How long before you decide?

Before I know what it feels like?

Where To, where do I go?

If you never try, then you’ll never know.

How long do I have to climb,

Up on the side of this mountain of mine?

Look up, I look up at night,

Planets are moving at the speed of light.

Climb up, up in the trees,

every chance that you get,

is a chance you seize.

How long am I gonna stand,

with my head stuck under the sand?

I’ll start before I can stop,Coldplay 1

before I see things the right way up.

All that noise, and all that sound,

All those places I got found.

And birds go flying at the speed of sound,

to show you how it all began.

Birds came flying from the underground,

if you could see it then you’d understand?

Speed of Sound — Coldplay

Link to Music Video

Nearly every line of that song has meaning for those of us watching the deflation of the housing bubble from the sidelines. How long before you get in?

Well, if you are an entry level buyer, today’s property is a market entry point. These are basically glorified apartments, but they typically represent the lowest priced properties in the marketplace. At $450,000 it provides a great example of how crazy our prices are.

17 Alderglen Front 17 Alderglen Kitchen

Asking Price: $450,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $112,500

Downpayment Needed: $90,000

Purchase Price: $452,000

Purchase Date: 7/16/2004

Address: 17 Elderglen #15, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 3

Baths: 1.5

Sq. Ft.: 1,220

$/Sq. Ft.: $369

Lot Size: –

Type: Condominium

Style: Townhouse

Year Built: 1978Rollback

Stories: Two Levels

View(s): Park or Green Belt

Area: Woodbridge

County: Orange

MLS#: S503013

Status: Active

On Redfin: 14 days

From Redfin, “Great opportunity in desirable Community of Woodbridge. This home features laminate floors throughout the main living area, living room fireplace, kitchen with newer kitchen cabinets and counters, eating area in kitchen and large laundry area which doubles as a pantry. Master bedroom has huge mirriored closet. Large enclosed patio with storage area, and direct access to your own carport. Newer water heater, newer heater and A/C unit.”

Direct access to your own carport? WTF? Is there another kind of access to a carport? Easy access to an insecure roof structure separated from your apartment condo where you can park your one car. Yea, that’s a plus.

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If you are making over $100K, is this your dream home?

This is a pretty deep Rollback in Woodbridge: a 2004 loser. I don’t know which is more insane, the current asking price, or the fact that someone paid more than that in 2004?

I would estimate you could rent this for $1,800 based on the third bedroom; nothing more because the lack of a second bath. With a gross rent multiplier of 160, this place is worth about $288,000. This would put it within reach of someone making $72,000 a year, which is below the median.

If this seller gets their $450,000 asking price and pays a 6% commission, they stand to lose $29,000. Doesn’t sound like a lot, but then again, this was a “sure thing” back in 2004. They should be figuring out how to spend their $100,000 in profit, not selling at a loss.

The Market Bottom

To everything (turn, turn, turn)

There is a season (turn, turn, turn)

And a time for every purpose, under heaven

A time to be born, a time to die

A time to plant, a time to reap

A time to kill, a time to heal

A time to laugh, a time to weep

A time to build up,a time to break down

A time to dance, a time to mourn

A time to cast away stones, a time to gather stones together

A time of love, a time of hate

A time of war, a time of peace

A time you may embrace, a time to refrain from embracing

A time to gain, a time to lose

A time to rend, a time to sew

A time to love, a time to hate

A time for peace, I swear its not too late

To everything (turn, turn, turn)

There is a season (turn, turn, turn)

And a time for every purpose, under heaven

Turn, Turn, Turn — Pete Seeger / The Byrds / Bible (Ecclesiastes 3, verses 1–8)

Link to Music Video

Recent Concert Video

IrvineRenter

Like the change of seasons, real estate markets move in cycles. During the last cycle, the real estate market peaked in 1990, and the market bottomed in 1997. The primary reason the bottom formed was because incomes and rents finally caught up to housing prices.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. These two images posted in our forums by Bubblegum speak volumes. These images are both from 1997. The first appears to be from a condo development in Orange. The actual pricing is not important: the relationship between the cost of a rental and the cost of ownership is very important. This is why the bottom formed.

Market Bottom 2

The next time someone tries to convince you the cost of ownership is near the cost of rental, remember the simple calculation above. If someone has to apply rental increase rates, inflation rates, appreciation rates, tax benefits and other complicated nonsense to make the numbers work, the numbers really don't work. (Notice the simple numbers above work without the tax benefits figured in.)

As a rule, the use of advanced math to justify a house purchase is mental masturbation designed to make someone feel good about an emotional decision they already made. When the calculation above works, it will be time to buy, and not until then.

Since I began writing on this blog, I have stated I will buy when the cost of ownership equals the cost of rental. An advertisement like this — when it reflects reality — would motivate me to buy. How about you?

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It has been suggested as prices drop people will perceive a bargain and start buying. This is true. This is where all the knife catchers come from. There are simply not enough of these people to support the market, particularly a market dominated by foreclosures like ours is going to be shortly.

Why aren't there enough knife catchers to support the market? Knife catchers are not buying because of the numbers, they are buying because of their emotions. Everyone is not going to get emotional at the same price point; thus, no support zone will form at any particular price point.

However, everyone who can do math will see when it is cheaper to own than to rent, and many rational people will act at the same time and at the same price levels. The collective actions of you, me and other like-minded individuals responding to these market conditions provides the market activity and transaction volume necessary to form a market bottom. It will not form before then.

So how much were properties in Irvine going for in 1997?

Market Bottom 1

For all of you number crunchers out there that want to find the bottom of our current bubble, start with the pricing in 1997, and add 4% per year for inflation and wage growth (although wage growth has only been 3% per year.) Since I really like quick multipliers to simplify the math, below is a table to help:

1997 1.00

1998 1.04

1999 1.08

2000 1.12

2001 1.17

2002 1.22

2003 1.27

2004 1.32

2005 1.37

2006 1.42

2007 1.48

2008 1.54

2009 1.60

2010 1.67

2011 1.73

2012 1.80

2013 1.87

2014 1.95

2015 2.03

2016 2.11

2017 2.19

From this table you can see how much more a 1997 house should cost projected into the future. In 2007, a house purchased in 1997 should be 48% (1.48 times) higher. Pricing will intersect these values at some point, and when it does, we will be at the bottom.

Irvine Housing Market Prediction Chart

I created the chart above in March for the post: Predictions for the Irvine Housing Market. I thought I was being somewhat aggressive in my predictions of such large quarterly losses. Such large declines are unprecedented. If the credit market is as challenging as it appears, the drop to fundamental valuations may be faster and more violent than anyone could have guessed. We will see.

In the end, the bottom will form because it will be less expensive to own than to rent, and everyone who watched houses depreciate from the peak will find the motivation to buy. We might overshoot fundamental valuations based on rental equivalent (which seems to be where the credit crunch may take us) and drop down to levels where properties produce a positive cashflow for investors. That chart is really ugly…

From How Bad Could Bad Get?

Irvine Market Decline Extreme

If any of you want to play with the numbers, below is a link to the spreadsheet I used to create the charts above:

Market Decline Extreme Spreadsheet

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Where do you think the median will bottom out and when?

Get Over It

A little advice from the Eagles on dealing with the market crash:

You say you haven’t been the same since you had your little crash

But you might feel better if I gave you some cash

The more I think about it, old billy was right

Let’s kill all the lawyers, kill ’em tonight

You don’t want to work, you want to live like a king

But the big, bad world doesn’t owe you a thing

Get over it

Get over it

If you don’t want to play, then you might as well split

Get over it, get over it

Get Over It — The Eagles

Link to Music Video

804 Maplewood Front 804 Maplewood Kitchen

Asking Price: $525,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $131,250

Downpayment Needed: $105,000

Purchase Price: $549,000

Purchase Date: 8/10/2005

Address: 804 Maplewood, Irvine, CA 92618

1st Loan $439,200

2nd Mtg. $54,900

Downpayment $54,900

Beds: 2

Baths: 2.5

Sq. Ft.: 1,200

$/Sq. Ft.: $438

Lot Size: –

Type: Condominium

Style: MediterraneanRollback

Year Built: 1999

Stories: Two Levels

Area: Oak Creek

County: Orange

MLS#: S503807

Status: Active

On Redfin: 9 days

From Redfin, “HIGHLY UPGRADED Townhome in Gated Oak Creek featuring 2bd/2.5 baths, Inside Laundry and 2-Car Direct Access Garage w/ Custom Storage System! Luxurious upgrades include HARDWOOD FLOORING * SOLID GRANITE SURFACES THROUGHOUT * Recessed Lighting * Custom Media Blt-In * Upgraded Carpet * Designer Window Treatments & Home Security System! Sparkling Kitchen features Granite Counters w/ Tumbled Stone Backsplash. All Baths Beautifully Remodeled w/ Travertine & Granite! Just Steps to Resort-Style Amenities!”

ALL CAPS, asterisks instead of periods, exclamation points, w/: an A+ in realtorese.

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Another day, another losing property. Does anyone still dispute the crash anymore? Oh wait, some claim this is a minor correction. I guess that is as bullish as you can be these days.

Today’s seller stands to lose $55,500 assuming they get their asking price and they pay a 6% commission. Since their downpayment is only $54,900, they will need to write a $600 check at the closing table or make the bank eat it. Which do you think they will do?

You get calloused to the market after a while. When I see a mere $50,000 loss, it doesn’t have much of an emotional impact on me any more. Perhaps, I am “over it.” I have to imagine it is a big deal to the specuvestor who lost everything on the deal — lost money, lost sleep, lost sanity, etc. He will just have to Get Over It too.

The California Social Contract

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

It’s the end of the world as we know it.

It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.

End of the World — R.E.M.

Link to Music Video

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Do you remember in Houses Should Not Be a Commodity, there was a long discussion on the stages of grief as they relate to the housing market? The market is shifting from denial into bargaining.

Stages of Grief

Jim Cramer has made news lately with his antics. The links below are to videos where he has demonstrated for us the following progression as it relates to the chart above:

Denial — On housing, November 2006

Anger — He is always angry. His show is Mad Money

Depression and Detachment — Plow under the Inland Empire

Dialogue and Bargaining — Lobbying for a Rate CutIrvineRenter

When you think about it, isn’t the whole discussion about a bail-out bargaining? We all know the government is not going to save the millions of overextended homeowners. They couldn’t if they wanted to. Isn’t this one last gasp before the market capitulates? I think so.

Empathy and compassion are at the core of my spiritual life. I feel the pain of all the effed borrowers (FBs) out there. To prove it, I want to share with you my meditation on the emotional bargaining of FBs everywhere: The FB Plea…

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You fence-sitters are failing to fulfill your part of the California Social Contract. Your failure to continue buying homes is disrupting the social order, and it is causing those of us who bought before you psychological, emotional and financial damage. It is time for you to get off the fence and buy — NOW!!!

In any social contract, you give up something personally for the greater good. When those of us who bought before you purchased our homes, we had to commit unrealistic percentages of our income to housing, lie on mortgage applications, and take out financing on unstable mortgage terms in order to do our part for the continuing social good. We made these sacrifices willingly because the benefits of maintaining the social contract are worth the price we paid. Look what those who bought before us received in return:Mercedes Benz

  1. Dramatic increases in wealth through home equity. I think we can all agree this is desirable. You want to be rich, don’t you?
  2. The ability to spend more than what is earned through productive activities like work. Think of all the BMWs, Mercedes, vacations to Maui, Coach bags, designer jeans, Rolex watches and other items purchased with home equity lines of credit. Don’t you want to double your spending power?
  3. The ability to buy furniture and home improvements without saving or spending income. Your house should be a self-sustaining asset which provides the ability to maintain itself with perpetual appreciation. Who wouldn’t want that?

We provided all of this to the buyers who came before us, and all we ask is that you do the same for us. Isn’t this a fair bargain? Don’t you want the same for yourself? Won’t the next generation of buyers we willing to do the same?

Not my faultSome have argued it is our fault that the social contract is falling apart. If we recent homebuyers had simply made our payments, the contract would not have been broken. This is rubbish. The lenders failed us. They knew we couldn’t make those payments when we took out the loans. They knew we were lying on our loan applications. They knew they were going to have to provide opportunities for serial refinancing of ever increasing amounts of debt. They failed us. They are the ones who broke the social contract, not us.

Lie, Cheat and StealThe tightening of credit just means you will have to make more significant sacrifices to keep the social contract. You may need to borrow money from family members or solicit larger gifts. You may need to become more creative in your attempts to inflate your income or assets. All we had to do was sign some fraudulent paperwork, but you may have to forge some documents or buy a seasoned credit line or find a hard-money lender who doesn’t record the debt (loan sharks.) It is going to be tough, but look at the benefits listed above. Isn’t it worth the sacrifice?

It is time for you to buy now. Trees really can grow to the sky; prices really can go up forever — if you hold up your end of the California Social Contract. To paraphrase Winston Churchill,

Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the {California Social Contract} last for a thousand years, men will still say, ‘This was their finest hour.’

This is your chance to stand up for what is right and perpetuate a system that is beneficial to our society. History will remember what you do. Will you be the generation that lived up to its duties, or will this be the end of the world as we know it?

You decide.

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If you don’t know what an FB is, try this link.