realtors and mortgage brokers left homeless while housing market molders

Feb 22nd, 2011  
by IrvineRenter  in Library News

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by rkp
2011-02-22 05:13 AM

People need to learn how to save and be quick to keep their income going.  When the recession hit, did this lady run and get the first job she could to keep money coming and completely shrink down her expenses to bare minimal?  Chances are she only looked for jobs that she didn’t think were below her and kept her cable tv.  Now she is doing whatever it takes to earn money but still doesn’t get it.  Sell all your crap and don’t pay anyone for storage.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-02-22 06:13 AM

People need to learn how to save and be quick to keep their income going.

No kidding.  These folks should be doing whatever it takes to keep their income going even if it means dressing up in statue of liberty costumes and whoring themselves rather than sitting around complaining.

When the recession hit, did this lady run and get the first job she could to keep money coming and completely shrink down her expenses to bare minimal?

Obviously this lady continued to live the high life.

Chances are she only looked for jobs that she didn’t think were below her and kept her cable tv.

Yes!  Yes!

If only she would have donned her lady liberty sooner rather than hold out for that Major League Baseball contract.

If only these people would quit with the $50.00 cable bills then they could pay their obscene mortgages.  Makes perfect sense to me!

Sell all your crap and don’t pay anyone for storage.

Exactly!  I noticed from the photos that she does still appear to have a shirt on her back.  Come on lady, sell it and quit whining.

IrvineRenter, in the future please do not waste my time with these stories unless the subject is lying dead, naked, in a gutter.

Thank you.

Astute Observation by SantaAnaRenter
2011-02-22 08:19 AM

“there comes a point when the crisis has dragged on long enough that good people get punished—people who did not participate in the excesses of the bubble.”

For all those that want to mock this woman, think about the hundreds of thousands of unemployed, underemployed and displaced RE industry workers. Mortgage excess was bad, bad mortgages in and of themselves are not inherently bad. People need mortgages and there were lots of good people (notaries, agents, back room administrative staff) that didn’t lead the ponzi scheme left in the wake.

Yes, it’s too bad they didn’t save every penny for a rainy day, but do you? No, feeling secure and successful you enjoy meals out, a nice car, and even HBO.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-02-22 08:50 AM

I actually feel sorry for the lady here.  Probably the first person in any of these articles.  She is at least trying to help herself and I admire that.

Astute Observation by matt138
2011-02-22 03:09 PM

talk about the blind leading the blind.

as a mortgage broker, she was only playing the hand dealt to her by ultra low interest rates and government subsidization.  This also is true of wall st.

Astute Observation by octal77
2011-02-22 10:47 AM

Yet another example of earn $1 -> spend $1.50

Astute Observation by EconE
2011-02-22 07:52 AM

How many realtors were/are telling people that the bottom was/is in while they were squatting themselves?

My sister was working with a realtor in Bend, OR.  When I found out that her realtor had been squatting, I told her to get another realtor.

Astute Observation by Soapboxpolitico
2011-02-22 09:24 PM

Anyone notice that article yesterday stating that by the end of 2011, the average time of non-payment in foreclosure status homes will rise to almost 24 months? You read that correctly ... 24 MONTHS WITHOUT PAYING A NICKEL toward a mortgage!!!

THAT is the real injustice of this whole mess. The former high and mighty pulled thousands outta their homes to buy Harleys (Heloc-Davidsons I call them), 24’ ski boats, loaded diesel pickups to pull the boats and ATV’s and $10K vacations in Vegas. Suddenly the banks (who are far from blameless in their collusion) had the temerity to demand these wanna-be’s pay back the loans. What nerve! So Joe Heloc-Davidson decides (conveniently) the bank somehow duped him into borrowing all that cash and he’s morally outraged and the bank isn’t going to get a nickel of his hard earned contractor income! In an aberrant quirk of fate this dirt bag gets to stay in his home, rent free for 2 WHOLE FLIPPING YEARS because the aforementioned banks are dragging their heels on foreclosure. So Joe Heloc-Davidson keeps spending cash like he won the lottery before (and if) the bank finally boots him out?! Where is the moral outrage against these people?

Meanwhile us renters don’t get anywhere near that kind of deal. 30-60 days without making a payment and the sheriffs at your door. I was one of the millions who lost their job thru no fault of their own. I was in telecom, making a good living, paying my bills on time, paid off nearly all debt, saving every month toward a downpayment on a home purchase. The economy tanks, the business cycle turns down and my company sent 30,000 people out the door. 18 months later I nearly exhausted the savings I had built toward my future, my measly unemployment comp was about to run out and I was facing the prospect of having to move my family to a smaller apartment to ensure we could make ends meet. I’m one of the lucky ones. I had savings to fall back on and I found a job. I make nearly $30K less a year than I did before but I consider myself very fortunate.

So I ask again, how is this fair? I did everything right ... or at least like I had been taught by my parents. You work hard, you save money, you buy a home and build your future. HAH! The jokes on me! Instead, what I should’ve done is buy an overpriced home I had no earthly hope of paying off, used the bank’s (taxpayer’s) money to finance vacations and $80K cars for my wife and I and when the bill came due ... declare myself a victim and dare the bank to kick me out ... after all it’s MY house, I’m entitled dammit!

I could’ve saved two years worth of housing payments, paid off everything else and stashed the cash. Then rented for 2-3 years after the bank kicked me out and set myself up for another home “purchase”. That’s the new American Dream kids.

Astute Observation by Soapboxpolitico
2011-02-22 09:37 PM

Here’s a link to the article I mentioned:

http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/housing/2011-02-21-unpaidmortgages21_ST_N.htm

Simply astounding. You can about bet your bottom dollar this will never again occur in history. I guess I’m just rueful about the fact I have a conscience and couldn’t live with myself if I tried this stunt.
Just imagine it though ... nearly two years without having to pay rent or a mortgage? Must be nice.

Astute Observation by Mark
2011-02-22 09:47 AM

Well nobody said the unemployment losses would be pain free. The economy is going through a major adjustment shift in investment right now toward other economies and markets that, you know, aren’t completely damaged goods like housing.

Some housing markets are recovering already in the US, but they’ll never get back to 2004-2005 prices and 0% unemployment again.

The claims by the NAR president here are interesting to say the least:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid640545894001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAFdYoqM~,hGPKFRRe3LrHWo8pgapUgyJZhmjS59mq&bctid=793237734001

He is saying that each mortgage debt payment made “affects 82 different occupations” and potentially “2.5 million jobs”. I have my doubts, and are these sustainable jobs at market equilibrium or based on the diabetic highs of 2005, Mr. NAR President? Some recovery in housing jobs is going to happen naturally anyway. Be patient.

Is it really wise to install policies that are hell bent on pumping up the housing market once again? We already lost billions on that bet.
I just wish the NAR and it’s members would stop vilifying renting and glorifying housing.  Just be the industry leaders and educate people on the right choice for their financial situation and future. The renters may be buyers someday eventually. Why not cultivate that potential?

Interesting that Realtors are apparently going to be spending a lot of 2011 money on lobbyists to create more investment in housing market for adjacent jobs. The problem is that ship has not only sailed, it has been blown up on the high seas and rest in tiny splintered pieces on the ocean floor.

I think the housing market gets enough help already in subsidies and income tax breaks that no other countries receive.

How about pursuing policies to bring back value-add manufacturing and production and even service jobs back to the US?

Don’t tell me. I know. My alarm clock says WakeTFU.

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2011-02-22 10:43 AM

“Just be the industry leaders and educate people on the right choice for their financial situation and future. The renters may be buyers someday eventually. Why not cultivate that potential?”

Sounds like the Ideal Home Brokers business plan.

“Some recovery in housing jobs is going to happen naturally anyway. Be patient.”

The NAr isn’t going to be happy until half the workforce is taking 6% from selling homes to each other at ever-increasing prices.

Astute Observation by newbie2008
2011-02-22 01:17 PM

A drug dealer profits help support lots of other groups too!  Direct employments of the distrubutors, the producers, the transports, the police department, the restraunts, clubs, car dealers and all the auto related industries.  In fact the drug dealers are likely to spend put back a greater precentage of the profits back inot the economy.

Does not mean that we need more drug dealers on every corner?  The needs of a society are not determined by how much money a trade injects into the economy.

Lower housing prices are needed for a healthy economy, not higher prices.

Astute Observation by newbie2008
2011-02-22 12:56 PM

Tue Feb 22, 6:21 am ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A housing trade association is examining the possibility that the data it releases underestimated the collapse of the housing industry, the Wall Street Journal reported on Monday.

surprise, surprise, surprise.

Time for the US to be producers and just not consumers and money suffliers.  With the near possibility of removing the dollar as the international trade currency, the US banks and Fed can be bypassed and money sufflying fees reduced.  That’s why the US needed to invade Iraq—to much talk and moves to trade and price oil directely for Euros.  To keep the trading in dollars, instability need to be incouraged.

Astute Observation by SanJoseRenter
2011-02-22 06:57 PM

Actual link:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704476604576158452087956150.html

And yes, the “housing trade association” is the NAR.

“The group reported that there were 4.9 million sales of previously owned homes in 2010, down 5.7% from 5.2 million in 2009. But CoreLogic, a real-estate analytics firm based in Santa Ana, Calif., counted just 3.3 million homes sales last year, a drop of 10.8% from 3.7 million in 2009. CoreLogic says NAR could have overstated home sales by as much as 20%.”

“If they are off by this much, this consistently, it would be sending the wrong signal to the market,” said Mr. Brinkmann, MBA’s chief economist.

Astute Observation by Vincenzo
2011-02-22 02:14 PM

Realtors and financiers are leeches sucking people’s money.

Somehow, people are able to put nice ads with good photos on craigslist when they want to rent a room or a house. They are able to show these rooms and houses to prospective renters without any external help.

But the housing mafia wants its profits and makes it difficult to sell and buy houses.

It’s like the auto mafia that doesn’t want direct sales of new cars through the Internet.

Astute Observation by Jaosn
2011-02-23 03:25 AM

Wow, NAR overstating house sales?  How surprising.  NAR has robbed itself of all credibility, and the current chief economist gots to go, just like the previous one.  Common, a miscalculation in inventory?  Where’s your QA group?  Oh right, your QA is asleep unless your model outputs negative housing data.

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/02/real-house-prices-fall-to-2000-levels.html

Astute Observation by jack kennedy
2011-02-23 06:57 AM

that was a pretty good story until the part where she moved to texas

Astute Observation by JK
2011-02-23 11:01 AM

“Have you thought about what you would do if you became unemployed?”
It’s ironic that is the first sentence I read today. I’ve thought about that a lot lately.
I’m not in the mortgage industry at all and have no ties to it.
I’ve worked at my job for almost 30 years yet have been placed on administrative leave. I’m fighting some accusations. Even if the pending results are positive the state is in such bad fiscal health that I may ironically get laid off. (I don’t get unemployment benefits either)

I was always taught to save for a rainy day. That day may be here and I’m not panicking. I have rental properties as a result of saving and being able to buy w/cash for one and paying off the other back when others were borrowing for excessive lifestyles. I’ve never paid for a cable bill. I use two over the air antennas for two separate tv’s and we get lots of channels.

Immediately when I was placed on administrative leave I took my child out of daycare. I save a few hundred a week right there. My wife and I have fixed up an extra room we have and are contemplating renting it out now.
My wife is from overseas where the unemployment in eastern Europe makes the US look like they are on a holiday vacation. I’ve witnessed hyperinflation first hand over there and watched what people do to survive. In many ways we are still spoiled over here and not thankful for what we have. There are ways to survive if you are disciplined enough.

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