Free housing: the new bankster entitlement in New York City

Jun 8th, 2011  
by IrvineRenter  in Library News

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by SantaAnaRenter
2011-06-08 07:06 AM

“PRIME LOCATION. LOW HOA FEES.”

So realtors can say WHATEVER they want, but anyone else (IR) with an opinion gets slapped with a ‘grievance’!

Dues is $190. What makes that “low”? Compared to what?

Location is up against the 5 Freeway. What makes that “prime”? By what standard?

Astute Observation by brianguy
2011-06-08 09:01 AM

great points.

lower than the insane $500 a mo. TIC is charging for their new “exclusive” communities I guess, if you like comparing apples to oranges. personally I would never pay more than $200 a mo. for HOA on a home, and even that I consider a heavy burden, so to me this is barely passable.  $190 for what?  what amenities does “Timberline” have that could possibly cost $190 per household to maintain?  A grassy knoll?

I know people who bought near the bubble in Southern Calif. and were paying $175 HOA for communities that included things like a playground and a pool, plus common landscaping. Then the HOA stopped maintaining these things, and they were incensed at being stuck with this albatross.

So it’s all relative.  low?  how about keeping it under half a percent of purchase price per year?  now we’re talking.

Astute Observation by brianguy
2011-06-08 09:03 AM

alas, before I’m slandered or taken out of context - I’m not saying this could or would happen in Irvine.  but it does happen; be aware of them.  for that matter, beware any hidden costs of Loaning (capital L) a home.

Astute Observation by Sac Boomer
2011-06-08 08:15 AM

I spent a few days in the Big Apple in May, and made a couple of observations. The Times is beginning to discuss the glut of “luxury” condos, which are now seen as great rental opportunities at a fraction of the cost. By looking at Redfin in Westchester and comparing asking to recently sold, there is about a $150,000 disparity. And finally, i was able to visit family at the site of the worst investment ever by PERS, the purchase of Stuyvesant Town.Folks there do believe that it is different there, and I guess it is, but more for the reason that IR presents than NYC exceptionalism.

SB

Astute Observation by FreedomCM
2011-06-08 09:52 AM

Now imagine a sane world with 20% down. 

Who in their right mind would drop $80k on this small, outdated, badly located townhouse for the right pay $2500/month to live here for 30 years?

Maybe PR?

Astute Observation by Perspective
2011-06-08 10:22 AM

Yeap, when you consider the years of hard work and savings required to save a 20% downpayment, I think it makes it so much harder to “make the move.”  That’s why there’s so much push-back on these “qualified residential mortgage” standards that are using a 20% downpayment as a baseline for a reasonably safe mortgage.

How far would auto sales drop if we required 20% down?  75%?  We might kill the industry, but we’d save so many countless people from themselves…

Astute Observation by ak
2011-06-08 10:30 AM

the problem is not 20% down, the problem is in many areas the real estate price is still too high.

Astute Observation by Perspective
2011-06-08 01:13 PM

I agree that prices are still too high, but are you suggesting that 20% is not a huge hurdle for borrowers?

Astute Observation by brianguy
2011-06-08 07:14 PM

lower the price to historical norms, then there’s no worry about “push-back” on such oh-so-silly standards.

translation:  Irvine, like most other areas in So Cal which have not yet properly de-leveraged from the height of the bubble, is still 10-20% overpriced.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-06-08 10:54 AM

No, PR would not pay that much to live there.  He just wants other people to pay that much to live there so he can profit from it.

Astute Observation by Jax
2011-06-08 10:35 AM

“We are quickly approaching a tipping point in New York City where residents recognize it is in their best interest to default and pocket the payments”

Out of curiosity, how do you know this?  How do you know we are “quickly” approaching the oh so fateful “tipping point”?  Seems to me, people have been saying we have been “quickly” approaching that tipping point since 2008, and yet its still not here?

Put another way, the banksters extend and pretend has allayed the residents recognition of the tipping point for years.  Given thats the case, why is it all going to “quickly” change?

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-06-08 11:03 AM

As far as I can tell, the banks are in no hurry whatsoever to make a move.

IrvineRenter does make an intetesting point.  As word gets around that you can live rent free for years and years, it is going to make it that more enticing to people sitting on negative equity.  Especially those who falsely believe that a stock-market-like “recovery” is on the way for housing.  These people waiting on the housing “recovery” are slowly going to accept that it is not going to happen and when they do, they are going to be pissed off and feel entitled to a few years of free rent.

Do the banks care at this point?  The TBTF ones know that Government and the Fed have their backs.

Astute Observation by matt138
2011-06-08 05:35 PM

1 year ago, I had a huge argument with my collectivist friend who feels government intervention will help buoy prices thus lessening strategic default.

My argument was, regardless of prices, there are those who are overleveraged and efficient, timely foreclosure sans government subsidy is the only cure.

He still will not admit i am right.  Not only is he a collectivist, now he is officially an asshole.

How does one come to the conclusion that spreading the pain around and throwing a lifevest to poor decion making companies is the solution?

Astute Observation by matt138
2011-06-08 05:37 PM

and i did not foresee the unintended consequence of free housing.  This is becoming mutiny.

Astute Observation by newbie2008
2011-06-08 11:19 AM

There are big differences between NYC and LV.  NYC has lots of high paying job on WS/government jobs and the supporting activies.  LV is essentially the gaming industries and its supporting activies.

With may high paying jobs, the corporation pays for the housing or has a profit share on the house.  If the value goes up, they split the profit.  If the value goes down the company eats the loss.  Some university had that arrangement too.  It’s capitalism/communism.  Capitalism if a profit is made.  Communism if there’s a loss.  Upper WS as we know it.

Astute Observation by newbie2008
2011-06-08 11:27 AM

IR,
Will you be expecting a complaint from NYC-RA? :-<

May HOA are mini-govt agency to get around directly collecting a tax and keeping people out.  Some are more sucessful than others.  Just think if libraries were run by HOA instead of local govt. ?

Astute Observation by octal77
2011-06-08 12:10 PM

I often wonder how long the squatting can go on before the banks cry Uncle?

These days, 2 years of free squatting seems to the norm before the bank drops the foreclosure hammer.

Could we go out 3,4,5 even 10 years?

For example, 5 years of saved mortgage payments
could equate to some serious capital.

Such squatters could have it 3 ways:

if prices seem stable, default on payments, save the cash and possibly “cure” the loan at the last minute

OR

if prices continue downward, simply walk away with 5 years of saved cash payments, and use saved cash towards a down payment on the next (and cheaper) home.

OR

forget home ownership and used save cash to rent.

Seems a no loose situation to me.

Astute Observation by Perspective
2011-06-08 03:55 PM

Don’t local property tax assessors begin foreclosure proceedings once property tax payments are two years past due?  If this is the case, then I guess you could still pay your property tax (or let the bank).

Astute Observation by Anonymous
2011-06-08 02:43 PM

Irvine real estate broker admits $4.3 million Ponzi scam
http://www.ocregister.com/news/sparks-303684-irvine-choi.html

Astute Observation by Dumbass Sinan Ozyol
2011-06-08 03:27 PM

A dime a dozen.

Astute Observation by wheresthebeef
2011-06-08 06:04 PM

He ripped off people in his church and then the writer calls him a family man.  Hopefully he’ll share a cell with Bubba.  This society is rotten to the core!

Astute Observation by brianguy
2011-06-08 07:44 PM

... and he doesn’t even work at Crystal Cathedral.  surprising

Astute Observation by SanJoseRenter
2011-06-09 03:31 AM

Proposed rules could shut many out of housing market
(Bankers, community advocates protest tough down payment requirements - 20%)

“... 376 pages of proposed rules for “Qualified Residential Mortgages,” which would require a 20 percent down payment and limit a borrower’s debt payments to no more than about one-third of income.”

Like the good ole days. smile

Astute Observation by JFW
2011-06-09 07:54 AM

Irvine Renter:
Many people are working 12-15 hours per day to make payments on the property “Suzanne Researched.” They have no time to read your posts, so I prepared a summary of today’s post for them:

Today, Irvine Renter told the OC ASSociation of Realtards:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_OyYzqjv-Y
Best,
Joe

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