WOT 5-17-2008

Joni Mitchell – My Secret Place

This is an open thread. There is no specific topic. The post which follows
is merely intended to stimulate conversation.

You are forewarned that the images are a bit risqué.

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,750
$/Sq. Ft.: $357
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Traditional
Year Built: 2004
Stories: 2 Levels
View: Hills, Park or Green Belt, Has View
Area: Quail Hill
County: Orange
MLS#: S532361
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

New Listing (24 hours)

Stunning Home with Premium Location overlooking Greenbelt w/Soaring 20
foot Ceilings and Bedroom plus Full Bath on First Level! This home
includes 3 Bedrooms + Office + ‘Secret Room’ as well as a 2+ car garage
that can park 3 cars! Relax on the Large Covered Front Porch or the
Even Larger Rear Patio on the Second Level with a View of the Hills!
Elegantly Upgraded with 18 inch Travertine Floors, Cherrywood Cabinets
throughout, Custom Chandeliers, Designer Carpet, Custom Paint and
Integrated Speaker System in Living Room! Gourmet Kitchen features
Solid Granite Counters w/Tumbled Marble Backsplash and Stainless Steel
Appliances! Spacious Master Suite includes Walk-In Closet and Master
Bath with Dual Vanities, Soaking Tub and Separate Shower! Enjoy the
Award Winning Schools and Resort Style amenities of Quail Hill
including Pools, Parks, Tennis and Sports Fields!

Secret Room? Hmmm…

What do you think is in that secret room?

Is it an artist’s retreat?

Is it a secret garden for her?

Maybe the guy has some secret hobbies few understand…

And perhaps Jennifer Aniston is hold up in the Oubliette.

What would we find in your secret room?

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Dirty Little Secret – All American Rejects

Interesting the things you find when you do a Google image search for Secret Room…

$186 Per-Square-Foot in Irvine

This Ole House — Stuart Hamblen

Today’s property sets a new low standard in Irvine. This is the first property I have seen below $200/SF. Granted, it is a fixer-upper, but those properties will always be the low-price leader. I really did not think we would see price levels this low in 2008.

This is the kind of property that will interest me in a couple of
years. If you find a house in need of major cosmetic surgery (but
nothing structural), you can buy it with FHA financing and take what
would have been your 20% downpayment and renovate the property to your
taste. After the renovation, you can get the property reappraised, and
hopefully, you will have added enough value to be able to stop paying
private mortgage insurance. At that point, you are in a house finished
the way you want it for equal to or less than a “normal” property in
the community. Right now, it would just be a money pit, but when we are closer to the bottom…

4361 Sandburg Way Front Door

Asking Price: $499,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $124,750

Downpayment Needed: $99,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $2,991

Purchase Price: $760,000

Purchase Date: 10/25/2005

Address: 4361 Sandburg Way, Irvine, CA 92612Knife Catcher Award

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,682
$/Sq. Ft.: $186
Lot Size: 3,328

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: English
Year Built: 1967
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: University Park
County: Orange
MLS#: P635582
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 12 days

Fixer-upper

Home is in University Park. Many potencials, house under remodelling
work. Everything taken apart, and need to be replaced. Current owner
deosnt want to finish the work, so expect around 100-150K TLC

potencials, remodelling, deosnt?

Current owner
deosnt want to finish the work? Big surprise. We received an email from the producers of Flip This House a few days ago asking us if we knew of a flipper in trouble. Here he is.

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As you might have guessed, the lenders, Countrywide and Washington Mutual, are getting hosed on this one. The property was purchased for $760,000 in October of 2005. There was a $608,000 first mortgage, a $76,000 second mortgage, and a $76,000 downpayment. In February of 2007, the borrower opened a HELOC for $80,000 and withdrew the rest of his money from the transaction. You have to wonder if this was a precursor for walking away from the property, but there is no way to know for sure. Washington Mutual was stupid enough to give him the money.

If this seller obtains his asking price and pays a 6% commission, the total loss on the property will be $294,940. Washington Mutual will lose $80,000, Countrywide will lose $214,940 and our flipper will walk away with $4,000 of lender cash. Who needs highway robbery when they will deliver it right to your home?

I hope you have enjoyed this week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

😉

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This ole house once knew his children
This ole house once knew his wife
This ole house was home and comfort
As they fought the storms of life
This old house once rang with laughter
This old house heard many shouts
Now he trembles in the darkness
When the lightnin’ walks about

CHORUS:
Ain’t a-gonna need this house no longer
Ain’t a-gonna need this house no more
Ain’t got time to fix the shingles
Ain’t got time to fix the floor
Ain’t got time to oil the hinges
Nor to mend the windowpane
Ain’t a-gonna need this house no longer
He’s a-gettin’ ready to meet the saints

This ole house is a-gettin’ shaky
This ole house is a-gettin’ old
This ole house lets in the rain
This ole house lets in the cold
On his knees I’m gettin’ chilly
But he feel no fear nor pain
‘Cause he see an angel peekin’
Through a broken windowpane
CHORUS

This ole house is afraid of thunder
This ole house is afraid of storms
This ole house just groans and trembles
When the night wind flings its arms
This ole house is gettin’ feeble
This old house is needin’ paint
Just like him it’s tuckered out
But he’s a-gettin’ ready to meet the saints
CHORUS

This ole house dog lies a-sleepin’
He don’t know I’m gonna leave
Else he’d wake up by the fireplace
And he’d sit there and howl and grieve
But my huntin’ days are over
Ain’t gonna hunt the coon no more
Gabriel done brought in my chariot
When the wind blew down the door
CHORUS

This Ole House — Stuart Hamblen

P.S. This guy is great: Mr Mortgage – HERE COMES THE ALT-A CRISIS

Double Down

Two as One — First to Last

When your playing blackjack and the dealer has given you great cards, you have the option of taking one more card and doubling your initial bet. When the odds are in your favor, it is a smart play. Since the real estate market was a “sure thing,” and prices always go up, it makes sense that people would have doubled down in the real estate market. The more property you owned, the more money you made. Well, at least that was the idea after a few kool aids. If you made the mistake of drinking the kool aid in the summer of 2006 and buying two low-end properties right at the peak, your double-down bet was a short cut from first to last.

15 Bellevue Front 15 Bellevue Kitchen

Asking Price: $359,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $89,750

Downpayment Needed: $71,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $2,991

Purchase Price: $500,000

Purchase Date: 8/30/2006

Address: 15 Bellevue #1, Irvine, CA 92602

Short Sale

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,280
$/Sq. Ft.: $280
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 2001
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: West Irvine
County: Orange
MLS#: S529184
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Backup Offers Accepted
On Redfin: 27 days

15 Bellevue InsideGreat corner lot location, quite interior with view balcony. Locate in
a gated community, direct access 2 car-attached garages. No one above
or below, plush carpet with custom paint, narrow tree line corridor
leads to the front door, a gem not to be missed. Kitchen is centrally
located with walk in pantry. New custom paint and new barber carpet.

It it just the photograph, or does the color of the “new barber carpet” clash with the “custom paint?”

Is that a St. Joseph Statue in the corner?

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Property number 1 was purchased one day before property number 2. Do you suspect this was done so neither lender would know the other just loaned this guy a great deal of money? Do you think the second lender would have extended the loan knowing they guy had just taken on another huge mortgage? I suppose those questions are rhetorical because we all know the answer.

This first property was purchased with a $400,000 first and a $50,000 second, so he did put $50,000 into this first transaction. A year later, he took out a third mortgage with a private party for an additional $25,000, most likely to cover his debt service. The private-party lender has an Asian name. Lets hope he isn’t a member of the Boryokudan (Yakuza). They have interesting methods of collection.

If the seller gets his asking price, the total loss on the property after a 6% commission will be $162,540. The seller is out his remaining $25,000, the lender is out $112,540, and our Mafioso is out $25,000 — for now.

22 Daffodil

Asking Price: $359,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $89,750

Downpayment Needed: $71,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $2,991

Purchase Price: $585,000

Purchase Date: 8/31/2006

Address: 22 Daffodil, Irvine, CA 92618

Short Sale

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,344
$/Sq. Ft.: $267
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Mediterranean
Year Built: 2001
Stories: 2 Levels
View: Pool, Has View
Area: Oak Creek
County: Orange
MLS#: S529178
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Backup Offers Accepted
On Redfin: 27 days

lite-briteBeautiful home in Oak Creek. Home is situated in the desirable Montilla
tract. Enjoy the convinience of a carriage unit. Great model boasts no
one above or no one below. 2 large terraces are perfect for relaxing.
The open floor plan is very light & bright. Cozy fireplace in the
living room.

light & bright

convinience? Is that like connivance?

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yakuzaThis seller must have felt $359,000 was a lucky number to price both properties that way. Everyone take notice of the purchase date being one day after the first property. Also, what do you think of the 39% drop in two years?

This property was purchased with a $468,000 first mortgage and a $58,500 second mortgage with $58,500 down. In February of 2007, he opened a HELOC for $108,500 and likely pulled out the $58,500 he put into this property and the $50,000 he put into property number 1. I imagine the $25,000 he borrowed from the mobster (I don’t know if he is a mobster, just go with it) was used to cover his debt service. So basically, he has taken all of his money out of these transactions, and he is letting the lenders hold the bag.

If the seller gets his asking price on this unit and pays a 6% commission, the total loss on the property will be $247,540; however, his total debt exceeded the purchase price by $50,000, so the lender is going to lose $297,540 on this one.

There you have it. Two properties, $410,080 in combined losses all absorbed by lenders. NBGI, Inc. Washington Mutual, Countrywide and our Mafioso all get to lick their wounds. Unless the private lender really is a Mafioso, then out boy has some explaining to do…

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First to Lasttwo as one, a slight addiction
are we stuck, in the routine of this
but still more nights they come and go
the world keeps spinning all i know, i know
its just you and me, two as one

for all the nights we missed
f**k if i wasn’t such a pessimist
this chapter could’ve played out differently
for all the nights we missed
f**k if i wasn’t such a pessimist
this chapter could’ve played out differently

this chapter could’ve played out differently

dig behind, the bones to get down to the core
and how do i get into such a tight locked door
how many times can i take that look
the best outcome that’s from the worst, the worst
of you and me

for all the nights we missed
f**k if i wasn’t such a pessimist
this chapter could’ve played out differently
for all the nights we missed
f**k if i wasn’t such a pessimist
this chapter could’ve played out differently

this chapter could’ve played out differently

two as one
a slight addiction
two as one
a slight addiction

for all the nights we missed
f**k if i wasn’t such a pessimist
this chapter could’ve played out differently
for all the nights we missed
f**k if i wasn’t such a pessimist
this chapter could’ve played out differently

Two as One — First to Last

The Price of Being Wrong

Nantucket Sleighride — Mountain

Don’t cry little Robin-Marie ’cause you know you’re losing your home…

It always makes me sad when I see these foreclosures and short sales with pictures from the children’s rooms. The disruption to family life caused by the Great Housing Bubble has only one precedent in the United States: The Great Depression. Hopefully, this family will be able to move into a comfortable rental rather than a tent city or Hooverville, but they will have to move. Basically, anyone who bought late in the bubble rally is underwater, and these homedebtors will fall into one of two categories: 1. Those who are forced from their homes (or choose to leave), and 2. Those who are trapped in their homes. It is difficult to determine who is worse off. Those who are forced from their homes will have ruined credit and difficulty in obtaining a home in the future. Those who are trapped in their homes have a complete lack of mobility to take promotions and crushing debt service payments that prevent them from doing anything else. All of these problems boil down to one bad decision: they bought a house during a wild financial mania.

Most people have no concept of the risks involved in investment.
This ignorance is reinforced by the kool-aid sales pitch of the
National Association of Realtors. Prices always go up. They are running
out of land. Buy now or be priced out forever. This self-serving
bull$hit is all too familiar (and repugnant) to the regulars on this
blog. People who bought into the bubble rally believed this nonsense,
and now that the foolishness of their decision is apparent, it is all
over except the crying.

For some people, the consequences will be limited. Those who used
100% financing and did not refinance have non-recourse debt, and they
will only face a ding to their credit rating. Those who refinanced have
recourse debt, and they will likely have to deal with debt collectors
before it is all over. Those who put some of their own money into the
transaction are facing a significant loss of equity, and it the case of
most properties we profile, a total loss. These are just the financial losses. The emotional losses can be even greater.

People develop emotional attachments to their homes. There is a wall in the bedroom where little Johnny’s height has been measured for the last several years. There is the patio with the children’s names etched into the concrete. There are the neighbors with whom people have shared cookouts. All of these little things create a sense of groundedness and a feeling of community. All of these things are lost in a foreclosure.

There are also the elements of ego involved. There are feelings of failure, particularly for those who feel the duty to provide for their families. There is the disappearance of illusions of wealth and status, and adjusting to a significant reduction in buying power is very stressful. We have had many foolish bulls post on this blog and others. Bulls have smugly commented on how renters have made “bad life choices.” The arrogance of some of the bulls is only surpassed by their ignorance. The embarrassment of being so completely wrong and the shame of losing face is very difficult for many to accept.

People who were wrong about the Great Housing Bubble paid a big price…

5 Nantucket Circle Front 5 Nantucket Circle Kitchen

Asking Price: $789,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $197,250

Downpayment Needed: $157,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $6,575

Purchase Price: $948,500

Purchase Date: 1/24/2007

Address: 5 Nantucket, Irvine, CA 92620

Rollback

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,711
$/Sq. Ft.: $291
Lot Size: 5,225

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Other
Year Built: 1981
Stories: 2 Levels
View: Mountain
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: P633617
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 20 days

NEWER REMODELLED KITCHEN W/COUNTER TOPS,STAINLESS APPLIANCES, HARDWOOD
FLOORS,CUSTOM BUILT IN’S. EXCELLENT CURB APPREAL.VERY LARGE SECONDARY
BEDROOM.NO MELLO ROSS AND LOW TAX RATE. NORTHWOOD HIGH SCHOOL.

What is a newer remodel? I suppose if it was remodelled in 1970, that wouldn’t count.

Nice that they put in pergraniteel.

ALL CAPS IS ANNOYING

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Housing BubbleFirst, I would like to offer my kudos to the people who bought the property in April of 2002 for $520,000 and sold it to today’s seller for $948,500. The housing bubble seems to have worked out for them. The housing bubble has enriched many who bought and sold at the right times — assuming they are renting now. Today’s seller couldn’t have timed things any worse. The peak of the broader market was summer of 2006 in Irvine, but the high end appreciated into the winter of 2007. For properties like today’s January of 2007 was the absolute peak. Not long after these people bought, the market went over a cliff, and it continues to free fall. These people paid $948,500, and they put 10% down. That $94,850 is long gone. If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss on the property will be $206,840 — an average loss by Irvine standards (Isn’t that amazing?) The sellers will lose their $94,850, and the lender will lose $111,990. I imagine these people are not thankful for the housing bubble.

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Goodbye, little Robin-Marie
Don’t try following me
Don’t cry, little Robin-Marie
‘Cause you know I’m coming home soon

My ships’ leaving on a three-year tour
The next tide will take us from shore
Windlaced, gather in sail and spray
On a search for the mighty sperm whale

Fly your willow branches
Wrap your body round my soul
Lay down your reeds and drums on my soft sheets
There are years behind us reaching
To the place where hearts are beating
And I know you’re the last true love I’ll ever meet

Starbuck’s sharpening his harpoon
The black man’s playing his tune
An old salt’s sleeping his watch away
He’ll be drunk again before noon

Three years sailing on bended knee
We found no whales in the sea
Don’t cry, little Robin-Marie
‘Cause we’ll be in sight of land soon


Nantucket Sleighride
— Mountain

P.S. Check out Mr Mortgage April Foreclosure Report

Equity Inferno

Disco Inferno — The Trammps

The twin towers known as the Marquee at Park Place is a lasting symbol of everything wrong with the housing bubble (Two mass fires, yes! One hundred stories high.) These urban units were 30 years ahead of their time, and perhaps in 30 years, the buyers in these towers will be able to sell their units for what they paid for them. The obscenity of the prices there will be laid bare in today’s post. I will run through the cost of ownership numbers as compared to the cost of a rental and demonstrate what these units are really worth to an owner occupant.

I must confess, I have been holding off profiling these towers. There is limited information available on these units in the data services I use, so my picture is somewhat incomplete; however, the main reason I have waited to post on these units is because in the very first post done on this unit back in early 2007, I lost it in the comments section. It is pretty rare that I lose my cool, but I did there. The exchange went as follows:

Comment from a resident:

2007-01-03 04:56 PM

Everyone
is entitled to their opinion, and sometimes its good to keep it to
yourself. It is very simple, for those of you that don’t like Luxury
living in a place like Marquee, hey, no one is forcing you to buy here.
stay where you are and be happy, what is with all the bitterness. Your
bitterness is in result of ENVY. Chill out. Those who buy or bought at
the Marquee made a choice and obviously like their investment.

Comment by me:

2007-01-03 09:10 PM

(Resident)

“Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and sometimes its good to keep it to yourself.”

You should have followed your own advice.

“what is with all the bitterness. Your bitterness is in result of ENVY.”

You people don’t seem to get what we are saying, so I will try to spell it out for you:

WE

DON’T

ENVY

YOU:

WE

PITY

YOU.

You have made the worst possible purchase in all of Orange County. When
the flippers can’t make the payments and are forced to sell, the value
of your units is going to plummet: more so than others because your
fees are so high. Every time we on this board drive by, we look up with
amazement at the monumental folly of buyer greed. Your dark tower is
going to stand as the symbol for the height of hubris of the housing
bubble.

We don’t envy you, we are very thankful we are not you.

P.S. Please ignore my previous post where I tried to make nice, reinforce your delusions, and leave you with a shred of dignity.

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The comments section on that original post was invaded by residents and Marquee staff members. I hope we get so lucky this time around 😉

3141 Michelson Kitchen

Asking Price: $1,080,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $270,000

Downpayment Needed: $216,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $9,000 at least

Purchase Price: $1,035,000

Purchase Date: 3/16/2006

Address: 3141 Michelson #808, Irvine, CA 92612WTF

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,520
$/Sq. Ft.: $711
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 2006
Stories: 1 Level
View: Panoramic
Area: Airport Area
County: Orange
MLS#: P597004
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 258 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Enjoy the most uniquely designed condo in Orange County. This highly
upgraded home has custom painted walls, recessed lighting, and hardwood
floors. You will enjoy a panoramic view of city lights from Irvine to
Newport Beach. Spoil yourself in the lap of luxury at the Marquee
Towers. This stylishly designed modern high rise was built in 2006
offering such amenities as 24 hour gated security, pool, health center,
garaged parking, business center, pool table, and concierge service.

BTW, the listing realtor is the owner. Do you feel the schadenfreude?

Notice he isn’t talking up the wonderful Santa Ana School District. This isn’t a place for families.

I wonder if he has a view of that beautiful new office building?

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What is this guy’s plan? Since he is the listing broker, he will only pay a 3% commission, so he has left himself a bit of negotiating room to get out at breakeven. After 258 days on the market, I don’t think his plan is going to work, particularly when the seller across the hall (3141 Michelson #804, Irvine, CA 92612) is selling a larger unit for $351,000 less.

What are these units really worth? Let’s revisit the calculations from the post Rent vs. Own:

$321,893 Purchase Price

$64,379 Downpayment @20%
$257,515 Mortgage @ 80%

$1,627.67 Mortgage Payment @ 6.5%
$268.24 Property Taxes @ 1%
$67.06 Homeowners Insurance @ 0.25%
$67.06 Special Taxes and Levies @ 0.25%
$1,100.00 Homeowners Associate Dues or Fees @ $1100
$67.06 Maintenance and Replacement Reserves @.25%
$3,197.10 Monthly Cash Cost

$1,394.87 Interest on First Payment
$(365.48) Tax Savings @ 25% of mortgage interest and property taxes
$(232.80) Equity hidden in payment
$201.18 Lost Downpayment Income @ 5% of Downpayment

$2,800 Total Cost of Ownership

We have to make some adjustments to the original calculation due to the unique circumstances of these properties:

  1. The assumed breakeven rent is $2,800. Some units have gone as low as $2,300. $2,800 is a likely median rent.
  2. The HOA dues are an outrageous $1,100 a month
  3. The property taxes are actually a bit lower as I believe there are no Mello Roos taxes here.
  4. The maintenance and replacement reserves are only for minor interior items so they are much less than a SFD home.

As you can see, the HOA dues are a value killer. The breakeven value for an owner-occupant is only $321,893 which is nearly 70% off the asking price for this unit. The monthly cashflow drain the owners of these units are experiencing is remarkable, particularly for the plethora of empty boxes.

Maybe this property should be renamed the Marquee at North Korea?

North Korea at NightMarquee at Park Place at Night

North Korea at night and Marquee at Park Place at night.

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Disco InfernoBurn baby burn! Burn baby burn! Burn baby burn! Burn baby burn!
Burnin’!

Two mass fires, yes! One hundred stories high
People gettin’ loose y’all gettin’ down on the roof – Do you hear?
(the folks are flaming) Folks were screamin’ – out of control
It was so entertainin’ – when the boogie started to explode
I heard somebody say

Burn baby burn! – Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn! – Burn that mama down
Burn baby burn! – Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn! – Burn that mama down
Burnin’!

Satisfaction (uhu hu hu) came in the chain reaction
(burnin’) I couldn’t get enough, (till I had to self-destroy) so I had to
self destruct, (uhu hu hu)
The heat was on (burnin’), rising to the top, huh!
Everybody’s goin’ strong (uhu hu hu)
And that is when my spark got hot
I heard somebody say

Burn baby burn! – Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn! – Burn that mama down, yoh!
Burn baby burn! – Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn! – Burn that mama down
Burnin’!

Disco Inferno — The Trammp

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P.S. I almost went with a different theme today. Owning in the Marquee Towers is also similar to riding on Disney’s Tower of Terror, complete with the huge, sudden drop…