Timing Does Matter

Time — Pink Floyd

Whenever someone overpays for real estate, it is justified with platitudes like “if you used conservative financing and stayed within your income, then you will be OK.” Or “If you love the home and you can afford it, everything isn’t about money.” I hope people take comfort with statements like these because the financial cost is much greater than most realize. That is the topic of today’s analysis post: how much is buying at the peak really going to cost?

Today, we will look at two families, the Peakers and the Troughers (gotta love those names, right?) Both families have a combined family income of $150,000 per year, and they have both saved $100,000 they can put toward a downpayment on a house.

It is the Summer of 2006, and each family is looking at a $1,000,000 home. The Peakers think the property is a good deal, so they put their $100,000 down and borrow $900,000 with an adjustable-rate mortgage starting at 6% with a 10-year fixed period followed by a 20 year fully amortized payment at a new interest rate. Their monthly payments are $4,500 a month, but after all of the adjustments for taxes and fees and the other costs of ownership, their total monthly cost of ownership is $6,000 per month. (Please don’t turn the comments into a discussion on the true cost of ownership without reading the linked post.)

The Troughers, on the other hand, made the same calculation and decided that the cost was simply too high. They decided to rent and wait for prices to drop to rental parity. As it turns out, this $1,000,000 home can be rented for $3,000 per month (the cost of ownership was double the cost of rental in the summer of 2006.) In order to make this comparison apples-to-apples, the Troughers have decided that will live the same lifestyle as the Peakers, so they will put $3,000 per month into their downpayment fund while prices are dropping.

Fast forward to 2011: five years later, rents have been increasing at about 4% per year, so the Troughers are now paying $3,500 per month in rent, houses similar to the Peakers are now selling at rental parity which is about $560,000. During this five-year period, the Peakers and the Troughers have enjoyed exactly the same lifestyle: both have had use of a house with similar characteristics, and both have been living on the same amount of disposable income. The Peakers are now $340,000 underwater 5 years into their 10-year fixed term, and they are stressed about what will happen. The Troughers have a mountain of cash, and they are about to buy a home.

The Troughers have accumulated $325,000 in their downpayment fund by adding the rent savings each month and having this compound at 5% interest (the calculations are too cumbersome to post.) The Troughers now buy the comparable house for $560,000 using all of their $325,000 downpayment. This only leaves a $235,000 first mortgage. These Troughers are thrifty people, and in keeping with our all-things-being-equal example, the Troughers are going to continue to put away the same $6,000 a month the house is costing the Peakers. They will put $4,543 toward their mortgage, and the remainder toward other ownership costs. By making this $4,543 monthly payment — something they were used to doing from their 5 years of renting and saving — they will pay off the mortgage completely in 5 years.

Fast forward to 2016: It is now 10 years since the Peakers have purchased, and they still owe $900,000 on the house. Let’s assume they got very lucky, and we quickly inflated another housing bubble that brought the resale value of their home up to $1,000,000 — breakeven. The Peakers are facing a dramatically escalating payment as the 900,000 is about to convert to a fully-amortizing loan over the remaining 20 year term. Their payment will now rise to $6,447. Let’s hope they are making more money to pay for it.

Here we are in 2016, both families have enjoyed the same amount of spending money each month and the same lifestyle (remember the tax benefits are already figured in to the cost of ownership.) The Peakers have a $1,000,000 house on which they owe $900,000. They will either need to make a $6,447 payment or refinance again. The Troughers also own a $1,000,000 house, but their mortgage is completely paid off. Their only cost of ownership is reduced to taxes, insurance and maintenance. Whereas the Peakers are trying to figure out how they are going to make payments, the Troughers suddenly have $4,500 a month extra in their monthly budget, and their net worth is $900,000 higher than the Peakers.

What happens if we do not inflate another bubble, and comparable houses are only worth $800,000? What if interest rates go up to 8% or higher? The Troughers couldn’t care less, they are saving money versus renting, and they have plenty of equity; however, the Peakers are in trouble, and they may lose their home. People who bought at the peak are betting on appreciation, and they are betting against higher interest rates. Not a good bet to make when interest rates are near historic lows and prices relative to fundamental valuations are at unprecedented highs.

You can spin this example any number of ways, no matter how the Troughers save or spend their money, they will come out far, far ahead of the Peakers. They could either enjoy a better lifestyle (no mortgage equity withdrawal for the Peakers,) or save for retirement, or save for their larger downpayment. In the real world, those who did not buy at the peak can balance those options to best suit their needs and wants, the Peakers do not have these options. They are imprisoned in their house. Let’s hope it is a gilded cage.

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I would like to thank MalibuRenter for providing the conceptual framework for this post in a comment he made last week. I would also like to publically thank him for the editorial job he did on my upcoming book.

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Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an off hand way
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun

And you run and you run to catch up with the sun, but its sinking
And racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in the relative way, but youre older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death

Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time
Plans that either come to naught or half a page of scribbled lines
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the english way
The time is gone, the song is over, thought Id something more to say

Home, home again
I like to be here when I can
And when I come home cold and tired
Its good to warm my bones beside the fire
Far away across the field
The tolling of the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spells.

Time — Pink Floyd

Open Thread 8-9-2008

Greed Is Good — Gordon Gecko

Sometimes you see a property where the asking price simply cannot be explained as anything other than greed. This weekend’s featured property falls in this category. It has been on the market for 580 days! Do you think they might have been able to lower the price and move it by now? These owners have been very conservative with their mortgage, they have paid it down, and there are no HELOCs. Their asking price gyrations have nothing to do with mortgage conditions or anything other than their desire to double their money in 5-6 years. Their inability to grasp the reality of the market has left them changing their asking price frequently and woefully missing the market. I hope they and their realtor are having a good time because they certainly haven’t done much to sell their house.

Listing Price History

Date Price
Feb 03, 2007 $939,900
Feb 12, 2007 $924,900
Mar 06, 2007 $919,900
May 02, 2007 $914,900
May 04, 2007 $912,000
Jul 21, 2007 $899,900
Jul 25, 2007 $912,000
Aug 18, 2007 $899,000
Jan 27, 2008 $849,900
Mar 03, 2008 $824,900
Mar 08, 2008 $799,900
Apr 30, 2008 $849,900
Jun 30, 2008 $824,900

Source: SoCalMLS

Their listing price activity reminds me of the Curly Shuffle — two steps forward and one step back.

11 Polllena Kitchen

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,478
$/Sq. Ft.: $333
Lot Size: 1

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Traditional
Year Built: 2002
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: West Irvine
County: Orange
MLS#: P554341
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 580 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Beautiful Fieldstone Barrington home located on a cul-de-sac. Nice size
yard w/patio cover/dramatic slate hardscape in back & front
yard/ceiling fans/built-in cabinets in garage/french doors/beautiful
tile floors/full splash in kitchen. Do not miss seeing this home!

Gimme Shelter ** UPDATE 5 **

Update 5 — I received word that this property finally closed escrow at $1,300,000. The total loss was $529,000 after a 6% commission. They avoided a short sale, but they lost every penny of their equity. Go tell these owners that real estate always goes up…

Update 4 — The saga continues… This house was relisted again for $1,359,000. The total loss stands at $473,540. After putting $525,400 down, I imagine this seller did not think they would be risking a short sale. Their equity is all but gone…

Update 3 — The price is down to $1,499,000 and still no takers. Total loss stands at $341,940 after commissions.

Update 2 — This house was pulled from the MLS and relisted at $1,549,000. This seller must realize they are a bagholder and they are getting really motivated to save whatever they can of their equity. Right now, if they get their new asking price, they stand to lose $294,940 after a 6% commission.

Update 1 — The asking price on this house just dropped from $1,700,000 to $1,650,000. That is a motivated seller. If today’s seller gets their asking price, they stand to lose $203,000.

Oh, a storm is threat’ning
My very life today
If I don’t get some shelter
Oh yeah, I’m gonna fade away

Gimme Shelter — The Rolling Stones

Link to Video

Exhausted buyers, tightening credit, excessive inventory, foreclosures: Is the perfect storm threatening our real estate market? As far as finding shelter goes, you could do far worse than today’s property. It is a high-end house in Woodbury. So far the more expensive stuff in Woodbury has maintained its denial, but lately there have been a few properties showing a true desire for a transaction. Today’s seller has been on the market over 90 days, and they are lowering their price to try to move it.

33 Triple Leaf Front 33 Triple Leaf Kitchen

Old Asking Price: $1,700,000IrvineRenter

New Asking Price: $1,650,000

Purchase Price: $1,751,000

Purchase Date: 12/30/2005

Address: 33 Triple Leaf, Irvine, CA 92620

1st Loan $1,225,600
Downpayment $525,400

Beds: 4
Baths: 4.5
Sq. Ft.: 3,750
$/Sq. Ft.: $453
Lot Size: 6,348 sq. ft.
Year Built: 2005
Stories: 2
Type: Single Family Residence
View: Park or Green BeltRollback
County: Orange
Neighborhood: Woodbury
MLS#: S472319
Status: Active
On Redfin: 215 days
Unsold in 90+ days

From Redfin, “The Jewel of Woodbury! Ready to deal. Rich woods on floor, ceilings, p aneling etc. Gorgeous paint schemes, tile designs. All Viking Kitchen, open bright floor plan typical of Juliet’s Balcony homes. Surround sound, huge master bath, all bedrooms are suites. Designer window treatments. Across from a private park. Walk to parks and 6 pools, elementary school, shopping center. Woodbury’s amenities are incredible and the lifestyle resort like.”

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If today’s seller gets their asking price, they stand to lose $153,000 in less than two years. They have the equity to absorb the blow, but it must still be quite disheartening.

I like Woodbury. It is at the cutting edge of master plan community design. The amenities are first rate, the architecture and landscaping is attractive, and the community center is inviting. It would be a great place to call home — at much lower prices.

535,000 Ways to Lose Your House

Fifty Ways to Leave Your Lover — Paul Simon

There are many ways people lose their houses. Borrowing two and one-half times what you paid for it is one method unique to the Great Housing Bubble. Perhaps I am just naive, or perhaps it is because I had never lived in a bubble market prior to moving to California, buy I had never heard of mortgage equity withdrawal for anything other than necessary home repairs and improvements. The whole idea that one could or would add to a mortgage to pay off other debts, buy consumer goods, take vacations or supplement one’s lifestyle is an alien concept. In fact, I did not realize how common this behavior was until I started studying what went on during the bubble. I am still astonished every time I see a property like today’s.

7 Skipper Kitchen

Asking Price: $535,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $133,750

Downpayment Needed: $107,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,458

Purchase Price: $195,000

Purchase Date: 8/15/1988

Address: 7 Skipper, Irvine, CA 92604

Turkey

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,000
$/Sq. Ft.: $268
Lot Size: 2,720

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1976
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: El Camino Real
County: Orange
MLS#: S531617
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 92 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Gourmet Kitchen Award

Large Single Family Home in a Great Irvine Neighborhood. This spacious
four bedroom home is turnkey, and move-in ready! With four large
bedrooms, a formal dining room, gourmet kitchen, pool, spa and tennis
court a short walk away, this home is perfect. The oversize front porch
will be ideal for those summer barbeques. And with the great location,
you’ll be walking distance to shopping, restaurants, parks, and Irvine
High.

When I first saw this property, I was prepared to write a post on how owners with a great deal of equity are in a position to drive prices lower because there is nothing stopping them from lowering prices to find the market. Since this owner has lowered his asking price $90,000 since May, he has been behaving like an owner with a lot of room to maneuver. Little did I know…

Listing Price History

Date Price
May 07, 2008 $625,000
Jun 12, 2008 $598,000
Jul 09, 2008 $575,000
Aug 06, 2008 $535,000

This property was purchased during the frenzy of the late 1980s. The owners paid $13,000 more than a flipper paid 8 months earlier. The property records do not show the amount of the original loan; however, it does show a refinance in 1998 for $180,800 which was probably when the values came back enough for the owners to refinance their original loan. In 2002, they refinanced with a $195,000 first mortgage and got their first taste of kool aid. It must have been good. A couple of weeks later they opened a $50,000 HELOC. They were relatively conservative borrowers until May of 2005 when they took out a $381,700 first and a $185,000 HELOC pulling out some serious cash. In December of 2005 they took out an Option ARM with a $552,000 balance. It had a 2.75% teaser rate. They also took out a $68,000 HELOC. The total debt on this property is $590,000 — which explains their initial asking price. The total mortgage equity withdrawal exceeds $395,000.

Another day, another Option ARM/HELOC implosion.

I hope you have enjoyed this week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we
continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

🙂

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The problem is all inside your head, she said to me
The answer is easy if you take it logically
Id like to help you in your struggle to be free
There must be fifty ways to leave your lover

She said its really not my habit to intrude
Furthermore, I hope my meaning wont be lost or misconstrued
But Ill repeat myself at the risk of being crude
There must be fifty ways to leave your lover
Fifty ways to leave your lover

Just slip out the back, jack
Make a new plan, stan
You dont need to be coy, roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, gus
You dont need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, lee
And get yourself free

She said it grieves me so to see you in such pain
I wish there was something I could do to make you smile again
I said I appreciate that and would you please explain
About the fifty ways

She said why dont we both just sleep on it tonight
And I believe in the morning youll begin to see the light
And then she kissed me and I realized she probably was right
There must be fifty ways to leave your lover
Fifty ways to leave your lover

Fifty Ways to Leave Your Lover — Paul Simon

The Builders Will Lead Them

Swords in the Wind — Manowar

“The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.” Isaiah 11:16

Builders are now leading the charge in our race to the market price bottom. We have made much about the presence of REOs in the market and the downward pressure they put on prices. However, REOs are not the only form of must-sell inventory. The builders also must sell homes or go out of business. Early in the deflation of the bubble, particularly on the Irvine Ranch, builders held to peak prices and watched their sales volumes drop to near zero. Since the credit crunch signaled the end to crazy financing, the builders have been consistently lowering their prices to generate sales and liquidate their inventories. This has happened without much fanfare here on the blog because we focus on the resale market; however, since the builders are also competing with resellers for the small number of available buyers, their activities are important as they will strongly impact resale home prices.

The builders have already trashed the resale market in the Villages of Columbus. Check out 22 Honey Locust now being offered for $350,000 off the original purchase price. The price drops in VOC have little to do with the quality of the homes, the location or anything else. It is almost exclusively due to the activities of the builders trying to get out of the project. It is my opinion that VOC will be on price parity with Westpark in 5 years, and this will not happen through appreciation in VOC.

Today’s featured property is a new home being offered in Portola Springs at $275/SF. That is new construction for $275/SF. What do you think that will do to the resale market? In a normal real estate market (if such a thing exists in California,) new homes command a premium of around 10% over resale mostly because they are new. If you look at the listing price history, you can see this home has already seen a 5% haircut, and it seems likely that builders will need to drop prices further to generate sufficient sales volumes to stay in business. I believe new home sales prices will bottom between $225/SF and $250/SF while most resales will fall to $200/SF or below. Even now at $275/SF, why would someone go pay someone $350/SF or more for a used house when you can get a new for much less? The fact that the builders are at these price levels and still lowering price to generate sales speaks volumes about the future prices of resale homes.

128 Long Grass Kitchen

Asking Price: $578,880IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $144,720

Downpayment Needed: $115,776

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,824

Address: 128 Long Grass, Irvine, CA 92618

Beds: 3
Baths: 4
Sq. Ft.: 2,106
$/Sq. Ft.: $275
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Spanish
Year Built: 2008
Stories: 3+ Levels
Area: Portola Springs
County: Orange
MLS#: S524595
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 150 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Located in the fabulous new area of Portola Springs in Irvine. This
location combines the opportunity of living near nature, adjacent to
striking Lomas Ridge but still close to the Orange County Business
District and all of the convienences of some of the best shopping and
restaurants any area has to offer. Our homes are located in the award
winning Irvine School District and are within the much acclaimed
Northwood High School attendance boundary. This 3 bdrm/3.5 bath home
comes complete w/ a very unique floorplan, fantastic kitchen w/ huge
center island that makes entertaining fun and easy. For extra privacy,
you will find a bdrm on each floor. For your convienence you will also
enjoy a 2 car attched garage and down stairs laundry room. All this
backed by the John Laing Homes reputation and very unique 3 year ‘Fit
and Finish’ warranty to accompany your 10 year stuctural warranty. All
pictures listed are of the model. Actual home soon to be under
construction.

The realtors in Irvine could learn something from John Laing Homes on how to write a description and stage a home for photography.

If you pan back in Redfin to get a broad area of homes, they will provide a summary at the bottom of the page showing the average asking prices for resale homes. Depending on where you look, this average goes from over $400/Sf down to about $360/SF. If builders are willing to provide homes for $275/SF, and they are still lowering their prices, resellers have little or no hope of achieving these asking prices. Just based on this simple analysis alone, it appears that resale prices in Irvine still have to fall 30% to 40%. Granted, the asking prices are not where the transactions are, but it is where the fantasies of resellers resides. It certainly appears these asking prices have a deep decline in front of them…

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I Surrender My Soul Odin Hear My Call
One Day I’ll Sit Beside Your Throne In Valhalla’s Great Hall
Like So Many Before Me I’ll Die With Honor And Pride
The Right Of A Warrior Forever To Fight By Your Side
Send A Sign Raise The Sail Wave A Last Goodbye
Destiny Is Calling Immortality Be Mine

Call The Witch To Cast The Runes, Weave A Magic Spell
We Who Die In Battle Are Born Not For Heaven Not For Hell

We Are Sons Of Odin The Fire We Burn Inside
Is The Legacy Of Warrior Kings Who Reign Above In The Sky

I Will Lead The Charge My Sword Into The Wind
Sons Of Odin Fight To Die And Live Again
Viking Ships Cross The Sea, In Cold Wind, And Rain
Sail Into The Black Of Night Magic Stars Our Guiding Light

Today The Blood Of Battle Upon My Weapons Will Never Dry
Many I’ll Send Into The Ground Laughing As They Die.

We Are Sons Of Odin The Fire We Burn Inside
Is The Legacy Of Warrior Kings Who Reign Above In The Sky

I Will Lead The Charge My Sword Into The Wind
Sons Of Odin Fight To Die And Live Again
Viking Ships Cross The Sea, In Cold Wind, And Rain
Sail Into The Black Of Night Magic Stars Our Guiding Light

Place My Body On A Ship And Burn It In The Sea
Let My Spirit Rise Valkries Carry Me
Take Me To Valhalla Where My Brothers Wait For Me
Fire Burning To The Sky My Spirit Will Never Die

I Will Lead The Charge My Sword Into The Wind
Sons Of Odin Fight To Die And Live Again
Viking Ships Cross The Sea, In Cold Wind, And Rain
Sail Into The Black Of Night Magic Stars Our Guiding Light

Swords in the Wind
— Manowar