Debt-To-Income Ratios: The Forgotten Variable

Tighten Up — Archie Bell and the Drells

We’re gonna tighten up
Let’s do the tighten up

Much of the analysis of the housing bubble has focused on the fundamental measures of price-to-income and price-to-rent. These are valid statistical measures of what the market should do, and they reflect the fundamental valuations to which prices ultimately return. However, debt-to-income ratios are very revealing of the buyer/borrower activity due to kool aid intoxication and irrational exuberance.

There was a significant price bubble in residential real estate in the late 1980s crashing in the early 1990s. This coastal bubble was concentrated in California and in some major metropolitan areas in other states, and it did not spread to housing markets nationwide. When comparing this previous bubble to the Great Housing Bubble, the macroeconomic circumstances were different: Prices and wages were lower in the last bubble, interest rates were higher, the economies were different, and other factors were also unique; however, the evaluation of personal circumstances each buyer goes through when contemplating a purchase is constant. The cumulative impact of the decisions of buyers is represented in the debt-to-income ratios – how much each household pays to borrow versus how much they make. Comparing the trends in debt-to-income ratios provides a great tool for elucidating the behavior of buyers.

Typically debt-to-income ratios track interest rates. As interest rates decline, it becomes less expensive to borrow money so borrowers have to put less of their income toward debt service. The inverse is also true. On a national level from 1997 to 2006 interest rates trended lower due to low inflation and a low federal funds rate. During this same period people were increasing the amount of money they were putting toward home mortgage debt service. If the cost of money is declining and the amount of money people are putting toward debt service is increasing, the total amount borrowed increases dramatically. Since most residential real estate is financed, this increased borrowing drove prices up and helped inflate the Great Housing Bubble.

Figure 21 – Debt-To-Income Ratio and Mortgage Interest Rates, 1997-2006

A refresher from Fundamentals at a Market Bottom:

The figure below shows the historic debt-to-income ratios for California, Orange County and Irvine from 1986 to 2006. It is calculated based on historic interest rates, median home prices and median incomes. Lenders have traditionally limited a mortgage debt payment to 28% and a total debt service to 36% of a borrower’s gross income. The figure shows these standard affordability levels. During price rallies, these standards are loosened in response to demand from customers when prices are very high. Debt service ratios above traditional standards are prone to high default rates once prices stop increasing. In 1987, 1988 and 1989 people believed they would be “priced out forever,” so they bought in a fear-frenzy creating an obvious bubble. Mostly people stretched with conventional mortgages, but other mortgage programs were used. This helped propel the bubble to a low level of affordability. Basically, prices could not get pushed up any higher because lenders would not loan any more money.

Figure 22 – Debt-To-Income Ratio, California 1986-2006

Changes in debt-to-income ratios are not a passive phenomenon only responding to changes in price. The psychology of buyers reflected in debt-to-income ratio is the facilitator of price action. In market rallies people put larger and larger percentages of their income toward purchasing houses because they are appreciating assets. People are not passively responding to market prices, they are actively choosing to bid prices higher out of greed and the desire to capture the appreciation their buying activity is creating. This will go on as long as there are sufficient buyers to push prices higher. The Great Housing Bubble proved that as long as credit is available there is no rational price level where people choose not to buy due to prices that are perceived to be expensive. No price is too high as long as they are ever increasing.

In market busts, people put smaller and smaller percentages of their income toward house purchases because the value is declining. In fact, it is possible for house prices to decline so quickly that no mortgage program can reduce the cost of ownership to be less than renting. The only thing justifying a DTI greater than 50% is the belief in high rates of appreciation. Why would anyone pay double the cost of rental to “own” unless ownership provided a return on that investment? Once it is obvious that prices are not increasing and even beginning to decrease, the party is over. Why would anyone stretch to buy a house when prices are dropping? Prices decline at least until house payments reach affordable levels approximating their rental equivalent value. At the bottom, it makes sense to buy because it is cheaper than renting. In a bubble market when the market debt-to-income ratio falls below 30%, the bottom is near.

The graphs and charts are pretty, and they do illustrate what is happening in a macro sense in the market, but now it is time to look at the micro. The reason prices are still so high is not because of interest rates, high incomes or any fundamental measure of pricing. It is due to the debt-to-income ratios lenders are still permitting and kool aid intoxicated buyers are still willing to utilize to buy real estate.

Take a look at how even small changes in the debt-to-income ratio used by a borrower can make a huge difference in the amount financed and ultimately in the amount paid for real estate. At very low interest rates, every 3% of gross income put toward a housing payment adds 10% to the amount borrowed. Of course, the phenomenon also works in reverse. As DTIs fall due to both lender reluctance and borrower reluctance, the amounts financed decline precipitously.

$ 91,101 Irvine
Median Income
$ 7,592 Monthly Median Income
5.0% Interest Rate
Payments, Taxes, Insurance DTI Ratio Max Loan *
$ 2,126 28.0% $ 336,580
$ 2,353 31.0% $ 372,643
$ 2,885 38.0% $ 456,788
$ 3,644 48.0% $ 576,995
$ 4,024 53.0% $ 637,099
*
Max Loan based on 85% of payment going to debt service

The example above uses the most recent Irvine Median Household Income Data. From this it calculates the gross monthly income. Notice this is the gross amount, not the after-tax income. Someone making $91,101 per year would be taking home between $5,000 and $6,000 a month depending on the number of exemptions claimed and the amount of their tax write-offs. Note the effect this has on the take-home DTI ratio. Someone using a DTI of 31% is really spending almost 50% of their take-home pay on housing and related expenses. The maximum loan amount is calculated using a 30-year fixed-rate conventionally amortizing mortgage assuming 85% of the payment, taxes and insurance amount will be going toward the mortgage payment.

The FHA currently allows a 31% DTI for housing debt. Years of experience has shown that DTIs in excess of this amount have high default rates. This isn’t terribly surprising when you see how much a higher DTI starts to cut in to other lifestyle expenses. Prior to the Great Housing Bubble, lenders only allowed DTI’s of 28% for housing debt and a total back-end DTI of 36% which includes car payments, credit cards, and other debt-service payments. That is where standards are headed.

That brings me to the final point of the day: The credit tightening cycle is not over. Lenders are still underwriting loans with DTI ratios that end up in default.

Let’s tighten it up now
Do the tighten up
Everybody can do it now
So get to it

When the government embarked on its loan modification program in an attempt to save borrowers, they had to pick a payment DTI level to which loans would be modified. The higher this DTI level, the less banks would lose on the modifications because borrowers would be paying more money. Of course, the higher the DTI level selected, the higher borrower default rates were going to be. So what did the government do? Did they pick a DTI that has historically been proven to have borrower stability? Of course not. They chose the DTI that maximized lender and investor revenues and prayed that people would not default. Well, they have been redefaulting on loan modifications at rates exceeding 50%. What a surprise.

If the powers that be really want to stop redefaults and foreclosures, they need to modify loans using a 31% DTI which the FHA has years of data showing it is the highest sustainable level. Further, they need to hope that underwater homedebtors don’t walk away anyway. Even a 31% DTI is pretty onerous when there is little or no chance for appreciation and you are merely renting from the lender.

Lenders have gone back to their historic data to relearn underwriting all over again. They know they must underwrite loans at DTIs in excess of 40% in order to support current pricing, so they limit these loans to people with significant downpayments, large cash reserves, and high FICO scores. In other words, it is the smallest possible borrower pool. Because the potential borrower pool is so small, and because there is a foreclosure tsunami coming, prices will continue to fall.

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Over time lenders will continue to lower their allowable DTIs because the default rates will continue to be very high. As long as there are high default rates, there will be more foreclosures, prices will continue to fall, and the lenders will continue to lose money. This downward spiral will cause allowable DTIs to shrink until 28% to 31% DTIs are the maximum borrowers will be able to find in the marketplace. Anyone who thinks this credit crunch in mortgage lending is a temporary phenomenon is sadly mistaken.

Also, as people begin to realize that rapid appreciation is not right around the corner, they will not be so anxious to take on massive debt loads. Realistically, the only way a homedebtor can manage their finances with a DTI in excess of 31% is to Ponzi Scheme borrow from HELOCs, credit cards, or other sources. This will result in a voluntary decline in DTIs as well. If you look at the chart at the top of the page, you can see this in action from 1990-1997. We will see it again in the statistics from 2006-2012.

The importance of allowable DTIs cannot be overstated. Look at the math and notice how much of pricing is being supported by the allowable DTI. The debt-to-income ratio is the hidden and often forgotten variable that enormously impacts market prices. When everyone is focused on interest rates at historic lows, they will miss the much more important changes in allowable DTIs.

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Asking Price: $499,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $124,750

Downpayment Needed: $99,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,158

Purchase Price: $656,500

Purchase Date: 5/30/2006

Address: 54 Ardmore, Irvine, CA 92602

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,569
$/Sq. Ft.: $318
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Mediterranean
Year Built: 2000
Stories: 2
Floor: 1
Area: West Irvine
County: Orange
MLS#: P669751
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 4 days

Spacious and open floor plan in the beautiful Gated Community of
Sheridan! This floor plan is rarely on the market. Large kitchen with
eat-in bar and desk. Seperate dining room, family room with fireplace,
half bath downstairs and indoor laundry room. Large patio with gas hook
up for a barbeque. Two car attached direct access garage.

Today’s featured property was purchased on 5/30/2006 for $656,500. The owners used a $525,200 first mortgage, a $131,300 second mortgage, and a $0 downpayment. If this house sells for its asking price, the total loss will be $187,440 after a 6% commission.

Let’s take a look at this property from a DTI perspective. Let’s assume this is a median property that should be affordable to a median income household. This is a small three-bedroom condo, so I think this is a fair assumption. Without toxic financing, a $656,000 loan would require a DTI of around 55%. Obviously, people cannot sustain ownership with such a large payment which is why it is being sold as a short sale right now.

What does the government think this owner should be able to afford? With a 38% DTI using conventional financing, the mortgage would be around $450,000, and with 20% down, that puts us at today’s $499,000 asking price. However, as experience is proving, people are still defaulting at DTIs of 38%, so this payment and price level is not sustainable either.

What does the FHA think this owner should be able to afford? With a 31% DTI and a 3.5% downpayment, the mortgage would be $372,643, and the downpayment would be $11,179. This property should be selling for $383,822 based on what an FHA buyer making the median income can afford. The median house price in Irvine should be around $400,000 based on incomes and reasonable, sustainable DTIs. The fact that the median is still near $600,000 should give you an indication of how far prices have yet to fall to reach a stable equilibrium.

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Yeah, you do the tighten up
Yeah, now
I said, if you can do it now
It sure would be tough
Now look here, come on now
Now make it mellow

Let’s tighten it up now
Do the tighten up
Everybody can do it now
So get to it

We’re gonna tighten up
Let’s do the tighten up
You can do it now
So baby, get to it

Look to your left now
Look to your right
Everybody can do it
But don’t you get too tight

Come on and tighten up
Let’s tighten it up now
Let’s tighten it up now
Tighten it up

Do the tighten up
Come and tighten it up
Tighten it up now


Tighten Up — Archie Bell and the Drell

Open Thread 1-3-2009

Sign of Fire — The Fixx

As with any holiday, the traffic at the IHB is a bit erratic, so I wanted to give everyone an easy recap of the weeks posts for your review:

Off a Cliff — HELOC abuse of about $350,000 on two properties with no money down.

Pepe le Pew — HELOC abuse of $500,000.

Mistake 2008 — Distressed property in Turtle Ridge.

Predictions for 2009 — It is what it says.

When not If — A look at the refinance problem.

I would like to remind everyone that we are having another IHB party on Wednesday, January 7, 2009, from 6:30-10:00 at JT Schmids at the District.

Last time was a great gathering, so we are doing it again. Here is your chance to meet many of the regulars of the IHB. Everyone is welcome, so please stop by.

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Heart of stone — I tried to reach you
Of the altar stone — I tried to warn you
But you were not alone — you wouldn’t take the call
You wear brimstone — I tried to warm you

Sign of Fire — The Fixx

When not If

Save a Prayer — Duran Duran

Don’t say a prayer for me now,
Save it ’til the morning after

There will be some borrowers who will benefit from the ultra-low interest rates being engineered from the FED. Anyone who has not already refinanced into a 30-year fixed mortgage may have an opportunity to get out of their toxic mortgage. Of course, there are two problems: 1. Some people do not want the fixed rate mortgage, and 2. Very few people that do want it qualify for refinancing.

I remember having conversations with lenders in 2008 about the tightening loan terms. I was surprised by what they were telling me. Apparently, most people that were going in for refinancing were looking to refinance into another toxic mortgage with a low teaser rate. First, people with Option ARMs would ask for another one so they could stretch out their teaser rate period. Then, people who were getting out of Option ARMs (because they were no longer offered) were going with 1 year adjustables or whatever loan product gave them the smallest payment. People were not looking for stability, they were looking for the next bridge loan with the lowest possible payment. There is still a widespread perception among the borrowing public that serial refinancing from one teaser rate into another is a viable way to manage one’s mortgage obligations.

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This dependency upon serial refinancing from one toxic loan to another is part of the reason people perceive today’s lending standards as being so restrictive even though by historic standards they are still quite loose (allowable DTIs are still at high-default levels, and they will tighten further). Everyone seems to be waiting for the return of toxic financing to re-inflate the housing bubble and allow them to continue serial refinancing their extreme indebtedness. I know I have said it a million times, but I will say it again: the loose financing of the bubble is not going to return.

Think about what the lenders just went through. Here at the IHB we have been documenting hundreds of thousands of dollars in lender losses on a daily basis. This is adding up to hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars nationwide. This happened because the lenders were giving out too much money to people who could not pay them back. Does it seem likely they will do this again any time soon? Those people waiting for a HELOC dependant lifestyle to return might as well be awaiting the Rapture.

(Like all dreamers can’t find another way)
You don’t have to dream it all, just live a day

The people who do not want fixed-rate financing must be flushed out of the system. As long as these short-term adjustable rate loan programs are being offered, the foreclosure crisis is just being extended. Nobody using this form of financing is in a stable loan program, and they will experience one of two possible outcomes: 1. They will eventually get a fixed-rate loan, or 2. They will end up in foreclosure. The longer they wait until they go fixed, the more likely they are to end up in foreclosure. The only thing preventing their foreclosure is an interest rate reset while rates are higher.

The second group of people, those who do not qualify for refinancing, is actually must larger and much more of a problem, despite the spin to the contrary. To illustrate why this is a problem, let’s examine a typical Irvine homedebtor to see the circumstances he is facing.

26 Carver kitchen

Asking Price: $675,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $168,750

Downpayment Needed: $135,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,625

Purchase Price: $822,500

Purchase Date: 10/26/2006

Address: 26 Carver, Irvine, CA 92620

IHB Get Together 2

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,077
$/Sq. Ft.: $325
Lot Size: 5,200

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1980
Stories: 2
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: P645526
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 179 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Sparkling Pool & Spa with covered patio.Walking distance to
Elementary School,Huge park around the corner.Beautiful stair-railings
and hardwood floors, crown molding, french doors to pool area, cozy
fireplace in family room. Remodeled kitchen with granite top and center
island. Large master suite with walk-in closet with organizer,
his&her sink. Downstair has 1 bedroom and bath, Scraped high
ceilings,open floor plan. 2car garage with drive way, laundry in
garage. TOO MANY THINGS TO LIST.

This property was purchased on 10/26/2006 for $822,500. The owner used a $650,000 first mortgage, a $172,500 HELOC, and a $0 downpayment. Since he bought at the peak, he has not had a chance to refinance and start living off the HELOC.

How would this owner refinance? Let’s say he went in to try. First, he would get an appraisal that would show the current market value to be around $625,000-$650,000. The best he could hope for would be a refinance at 80% appraised value, so the bank would offer him a loan of $520,000, assuming he met the other loan underwriting standards. Do you see the problem? Does it seem likely he has $300,000 of cash handy to pay off the other two mortgages in order to refinance?

  • So here is a homeowner at least 20% underwater,
  • he has current mortgage payments that are likely crushing him,
  • there is an interest rate reset looming,
  • there is an amortization recast looming
  • there is little or no chance of appreciation bailing him out, and
  • he is unable to refiance into a supportable mortgage payment.

What do you think is going to happen?

In all likelihood, this owner, and all the homeowners in a similar circumstance are going to default and go into foreclosure. The low interest rates are not going to solve his problems. The best they could do is make his payment burden somewhat less arduous for a brief period of time. Unless he receives significant debt relief or a huge increase in wage income, he cannot be saved.

What kind of government program or bailout will save this guy? Mr. Mortgage has recommended large-scale mortgage principal reductions. That would mean all the responsible would be required to subsidize the foolish and irresponsible who crowded the responsible out of the housing market. That would probably make my head explode. Realistically, what Mr. Mortgage proposes is the only thing that would be effective. Fortunately, it is so expensive and politically untenable that it will not come to pass.

Ultra-low interest rates if combined with some kind of refinance loan guarantee program would be another workable solution. If the GSEs started to guarantee loans for refinance on borrowers who are underwater, it might save some of those owners who genuinely want to stay in their family homes. Of course, this would be very expensive for the US taxpayer because speculators and flippers would sign up for the program if they thought it might buy them a couple of years of waiting. When prices do not come back, they will give up, and we will end up paying for their losses through the loan guarantee program.

If someone out there can enlighten me as to how the government can possibly solve this problem, I would like to read your ideas. Denying there is a problem is not a solution…

I hope you have enjoyed this week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we
continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

🙂

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You saw me standing by the wall,
Corner of a main street
And the lights are flashing on your window sill
All alone ain’t much fun,
So you’re looking for the thrill
And you know just what it takes and where to go

Don’t say a prayer for me now,
Save it ’til the morning after
No, don’t say a prayer for me now,
Save it ’til the morning after

Feel the breeze deep on the inside,
Look you down into your well
If you can, you’ll see the world in all his fire
Take a chance
(Like all dreamers can’t find another way)
You don’t have to dream it all, just live a day

Don’t say a prayer for me now,
Save it ’til the morning after
No, don’t say a prayer for me now,
Save it ’til the morning after
Save it ’til the morning after,
Save it till the morning after

Save a Prayer — Duran Duran

Predictions for 2009

Happy New Year — ABBA

On January 1, 2008, I wrote a post titled Predictions for 2008. You can go back and review it to see how well I did.

As a recap, I would like to share with you a couple of charts from 2008 for Irvine and OC:

OC Actual versus prediction

Click for larger image

Most of the macroeconomic conditions I made in 2008 are still operative, and several of the predictions I made which came true will likely repeat in 2009. These are:

  1. 2008 will see the worst single-year decline in the median house price ever recorded
  2. One or more of our major financial institutions and one or more of our major homebuilders will fail
  3. A severe local recession
  4. I predict we will see many more angry homedebtor’s troll the blog

I do not believe 2009 will see median house prices decline as much as 2008, but I do believe they will drop significantly, particularly in high-end neighborhoods. The low-end neighborhoods are closer to the bottom than to the top, so 30%+ declines in these neighborhoods are not likely. The high end neighborhoods will experience big drops. Most did not drop 30% last year, so they have more room to drop. The unemployment rate is high, and the economy is in recession which will put pressures on home prices. The dreaded ARM problem is not going away, and these loans will start blowing up this year and on through 2011.

However, there is one bright spot for the housing market that will blunt the declines in 2009: ultra-low mortgage interest rates. We will see properties at rental parity in 2009. The low interest rates are going to reduce the cost of borrowing to the point that many properties will reach rental parity this year. This does not mean we will be at the bottom. These interest rates are artificially low due to the “quantitative easing” by the Federal Reserve. This policy may persist for some time, but it is not likely that sub 5% interest rates will be around for buyers 7-10 years from now when 2009 buyers go to sell their property. That creates the issue with Your Buyer’s Loan Terms.

With the low interest rates, and with the foreclosures resulting from this year’s loan resets being a year away, we are in a good position to see our first bear market rally. This summer, we might see two or three months of sustained appreciation. This will bring out all the bottom callers. Everyone will be cheering the Federal Reserve, and many will believe the worst is over for the housing market. This will cause some major emotional gyrations for desperate homedebtors. Those who had moved from denial to fear will likely move back to denial for a time.

Remember, the loans that reset this year will take a year or more to become foreclosures. The real problems caused by all the resets will not be apparent this summer. We will likely see a large number of short sale listings, but as we all know, these rarely consummate a transaction. It is only the presence of these short sales listings that will remind us of the impending disaster when the ARM reset problem becomes a tsunami of foreclosures. When these foreclosures start hitting the market in larger numbers, and the market rally is reversed, all of those who call the bottom this summer will act surprised. Ignorance is bliss.

Not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but 2009s bear rally will be wiped out by the first wave of foreclosures. I foresee 2010s bear rally being knocked back by continuing foreclosures and the much-anticipated rise in interest rates when the FED stops quantitative easing as the recession abates. The rally in 2011 will be tepid, but at least it will be for real. For 2012-2015, appreciation will be less than 5% each year as the overhang of foreclosures and a sputtering California economy keep prices in check until Californian’s lose their minds again and inflate another housing bubble.

In my opinion, these artificially low interest rates will simply guarantee that house prices overshoot fundamentals to the downside because the fundamentals in this instance are illusory. The low interest rates will prompt some people to buy, and this increased buying activity will stop prices from falling as much as they would have without the subsidized interest rates. However, very few people currently qualify for these loans. Loan terms are getting tighter all the time, and the buyer pool is very restricted. People talk about the conservative lending terms as if they are too tight. This is nonsense. We are still not at pre-bubble loan terms (20% down, 28% DTI, high FICO, etc.) and until we get there, loan terms will continue to tighten. The diminished buyer pool when combined with increased foreclosures creates an imbalance between supply and demand which will push prices lower.

Many people erroneously believe that low interest rates are going to save the housing market because the loan resets are not going to lead to foreclosures. As I outlined in the ARM problem, the payments are going to increase even if the interest rate remains the same due to the amortization recast. If you want a more detailed explanation from Mr. Mortgage, I suggest you read Pay Option ARMs – The Implosion Is Still Coming Despite Low Rates and Low Mortgage Rates to Spur New Wave of Defaults. The idea that low interest rates are going to save the housing market is another in our ongoing series of denial fixes being fed to a weary populace. It is all bull$hit.

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Last year I predicted that we would see banks and homebuilders go under. We did see several banks including WAMU bite the dust. This trend will continue. All of our banks are basically insolvent. Only creative accounting practices and huge amounts of borrowing from the Federal Reserve is keeping them afloat. Even the huge infusion of money through the TARP program is not going to save them. There will be many more failures and consolidations in 2009.

One surprise from 2008 was the lack of bankruptcies and consolidations in the homebuilding industry. Ordinarily, during a recession, the weak companies go out of business or are absorbed by stronger ones. In my opinion, the reason we have not seen this yet in the homebuilding industry is because there are no strong ones, and there is no reason to consolidate or expand while housing starts and sales continue to decline. I think 2009 will be different. In the second half of 2009, the homebuilders will start to rebound. If past history is any guide, the recession will bottom when housing starts bottoms. This is when the industry will begin to consolidate.

I believe we will see massive consolidation in the homebuilding industry. During the 80s and 90s the homebuilding industry was dominated by small, private builders. Many of the small fry were wiped out during the recession of the 90s. During the 00s, we witnessed the rise of the national homebuilders as the dominant market force. I believe we will see consolidation into an industry dominated by a few big names with a few small privates picking up the scraps in various markets.

Last year I predicted a severe local recession. I did not have the courage to predict a severe national recession. Perhaps I should have…

IHB Get Together 2

I do not have a prediction about angry homedebtors. As the market shifts from denial into fear, there is a widespread acceptance of the reality of a housing bubble. Most trolling comes from people trying to maintain their denial (if you want to study this phenomenon, I suggest you read this forum thread). With acceptance comes less anger and trolling. However, I have recently launched an article marketing campaign that likely will catch the attention of realtors across the country. We may see a few of them stop by to explain to us why we don’t know what we are talking about. That should be amusing.

Today’s featured property was brought to my attention from a reader. It is a typical Irvine property struggling with a typical Irvine debt load. I predict we will see this house for sale as REO in a year.

4152 Homestead St front 4152 Homestead St kitchen

Asking Price: $719,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $179,750

Downpayment Needed: $143,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,991

Purchase Price: $475,000

Purchase Date: 10/15/2003

Address: 4152 Homestead, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 5
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,089
$/Sq. Ft.: $344
Lot Size: 5,000

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Traditional
Year Built: 1972
Stories: 2
View: Trees/Woods
Area: El Camino Real
County: Orange
MLS#: P655066
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 113 days

Unsold in 90+ days

entertainment home with one bedroom and one bath on the main floor. All
upgraded kitchen, bathrooms, flooring throughout, and great master
bedroom w/upgraded bath. 5-year-old tile roof new furnace, newer water
heater, newer kitchen appliances, newer French doors, all new windows,
great size yard and side yard, (back yard that feels like a park).
Walking distance to a great part, all shopping and restaurants off
Culver. Close to schools. Living room w/vaulted ceilings and fireplace.
Family room w/built-in wine cooler, formal dining room, breakfast bar.
Great Cull-De-Sac location. Inside laundry with plenty of storage for a
big family. Just a great house to live in with lots of windows that
bright up the house. Walking distance to a great park. Great schools
have made this neighborhood very popular.

bright up the house?

At least this description tells us where some of the HELOC money went.

  • Today’s featured property was purchased on 10/15/2003 for $475,000. The owners used a $380,000 first mortgage and a $95,000 downpayment.
  • On 11/5/2004 they refinanced with a $530,000 Option ARM.
  • On 5/3/2006 they opened a HELOC for $150,000.
  • Total property debt $680,000 plus negative amortization.
  • Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $300,000 including their downpayment.

This house is typical of the entire Irvine housing market. The owners doubled their debt (which is about average from what I see with houses for sale), they are overextended, and they are listing their house for a wishing price that will bail them out of their financial dilemma. It looks as if they have solicited a relative to sell their house for them, probably for a discounted commission. Based on their asking price (which the market is telling them is too high), they are priced to cover their loan obligations. They will hold to this fantasy as long as possible, but when the payments overwhelm them — probably when their Option ARM recasts — they will give up and lose the house in a foreclosure. Properties like this one represent “overhead supply” that must be cleared out before there is any possibility of price appreciation.

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No more champagne
And the fireworks are through
Here we are, me and you
Feeling lost and feeling blue
It’s the end of the party
And the morning seems so grey
So unlike yesterday
Now’s the time for us to say…

Happy new year
Happy new year
May we all have a vision now and then
Of a world where every neighbour is a friend
Happy new year
Happy new year
May we all have our hopes, our will to try
If we don’t we might as well lay down and die
You and I

Sometimes I see
How the brave new world arrives
And I see how it thrives
In the ashes of our lives
Oh yes, man is a fool
And he thinks he’ll be okay
Dragging on, feet of clay
Never knowing he’s astray

Keeps on going anyway…

Happy New Year — ABBA

Mistake 2008

I Made a Mistake 2008

I recommend the video above. It is a classic 2008 recap.

This year, 2008, was the year the world came to recognize that we have a huge economic problem caused by housing. As with all crises there was denial by everyone at every turn, and this denial is still going on. The latest nonsense meme is that low interest rates are going to solve the ARM problem: bull$hit it may even make it worse.

I received a sign that the general public is moving from denial to fear in Irvine. Some people I know that bought in late 2007 are selling their starter home because they see prices going down. Just a couple of months ago, they were determined to hang on to both properties as “investments.” When even the most kool aid intoxicated start to see the fall in prices as an ongoing trend, and when these same people start to sell out of fear, the market is entering a new psychological stage.

Psychological Stages of Bubble Market

Today’s featured property is a 1/1 in Turtle Ridge that is showing significant distress. Apparently Turtle Ridge is not immune after all.

133 Danbrook front 133 Danbrook kitchen

Asking Price: $300,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $75,000

Downpayment Needed: $60,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $2,500

Purchase Price: $445,000

Purchase Date: 3/25/2005

Address: 133 Danbrook, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 1
Baths: 1
Sq. Ft.: 822
$/Sq. Ft.: $365
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 2004
Stories: 1
Floor: 1
View: Park or Green Belt, Has View
Area: Turtle Ridge
County: Orange
MLS#: S521349
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 322 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Best deal in Turtle Ridge! Better then a model, granite counters,
designer paint, berber carpet, upgraded bathroom, and much more. There
is a garage with direct access, a fireplace, and air conditioning. This
is a primo location with access to Newport Beach, Fashion Island, The
Spectrum and the Beach! There is a really nice community pool and spa
with clubhouse and nearby walking trails. only way to be in the area
for this price! Only one of a few 1 bedrooms every built!

every built?

Here is your chance to pay $300,000 for a glorified apartment.

This property was purchased on 3/25/2005 for $445,000. The owner used a $400,500 Option ARM first mortgage and a $44,500 downpayment. Not to worry, on 4/5/2006 he opened a HELOC for $60,000 and likely withdrew his downpayment plus $14,500.

If this property sells for its asking price, if a 6% commission is paid, and if the owner maxed out the HELOC, the total loss to the lender will be $178,500.

This property is being offered for 32.5% off its 2005 purchase price. This is not a ultra-low teaser price. Check out the listing history:

Date Event Price
Dec 29, 2008 Price Changed $300,000
Dec 16, 2008 Price Changed $340,000
Nov 19, 2008 Price Changed $320,000
Nov 11, 2008 Price Changed $370,000
Jun 06, 2008 Price Changed $375,000
May 15, 2008 Price Changed $399,000
May 13, 2008 Price Changed $419,000
Apr 27, 2008 Price Changed $439,000
Apr 09, 2008 Price Changed $449,000
Feb 12, 2008 Listed $460,000
Mar 25, 2005 Sold $445,000

This property has been chasing the market down for almost a year.

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