We are the Irvine Housing Blog, and during the week, I focus exclusively on Irvine properties. However, the weekends I leave open for exploration. If I am particularly inspired (and ambitious), I will do more than provide an open thread. This weekend, I was inspired.
Asking Price: $3,675,000
Address: 501 S Rossmore Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90020
Superstar — Toy-Box
I am a superstar with a big big house and a big big car,
I am a superstar and I don’t care who you are.
I got fortune, I got fame,
Love it when you say my name.
Love to party, I am naughty,
Prettier than everybody!
I got muscles, I’m a stud,
Jealous people kiss my butt,
On Thursday in the astute observations, someone known as “E” asked about the largest HELOC abuse case we had profiled so far. We have profiled a couple for around $1,000,000 (The Ultimate Post, Responsible Homeowners are NOT Losing Their Homes), but Irvine is not old enough or valuable enough to have truly spectacular HELOC abuse cases. In a series of emails and a long phone call, “E” told me about a property in Hollywood that makes the pretenders in Irvine look like the wannabes they really are.
The way “E” described this neighborhood, it is the home of many of the truly rich, the famous, and the “Joneses” that want to be. Many in Irvine are trying to keep up with the Joneses; the Joneses live in Hollywood, and they are trying to keep up with the rich and famous who live here. Today’s featured property belongs to the Joneses (not their real name).
The interesting part of the keeping-up-with-the-Joneses phenomenon is that the people at the top of the heap often do not care about impressing anyone or making the Joneses jealous. Many at the top are just living their lives and trying to keep a low profile. When you really are rich, you don’t care if anyone knows about it.
Asking Price: $3,675,000
Income Requirement: $918,750
Downpayment Needed: $735,000
Monthly Equity Burn: $30,625
Purchase Price: Approximately $150,000
Purchase Date: Early 70
Address: 501 S Rossmore Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90020
Beds: | 7 |
Baths: | 5.5 |
Sq. Ft.: | 5,555 |
$/Sq. Ft.: | $662 |
Lot Size: | – |
Property Type: | Single Family Residential |
Community: | Hancock Park – Wilshire |
County: | Los Angeles |
MLS#: | 09-363663 |
Source: | TheMLS |
Status: | Active |
On Redfin: | 6 days |
Huge reduction to $3,675,000!! Property must be sold!! Harry Warner
Estate. Gorgeous Georgian Colonial. Huge corner lot of over 29,000 ft.
7 beds, 5.5 baths. Large over-sized pool, tennis court and detached
guest house. Original screening room used by Harry and many Hollywood
friends still in basement. An amazing property built for a Hollywood
legend. Please call listing agents for appointment.
Realtorspeak is alive and well in Los Angeles.
Do you like the siren song of the pretentious? “An amazing property built for a Hollywood
legend.” Wow, I wonder if it would make me cool if I lived where some Hollywood legend lived? Probably not…
So how do the Joneses really live? Well, if you are near the top
rung of the ladder, you own a house in the best neighborhood, you milk
that house for every penny it appreciates, throw opulent parties, and
try to make everyone on the next rung down the ladder jealous. It goes
something like this:
- This property was purchased in the early 70s for around $150,000.
My data does not go back that far, but the total assessed value is
$346,592 which would account for the original valuation and the
proposition 13 adjustments since it was passed. - I do not know what the original mortgage was, but for the sake of
calculating MEW, lets assume it was $120,000 which is 80% of $150,000. - My records pick up in 1998. On 10/23/1998, there was a new first mortgage for $250,000. This point also
marks when the property went from being owned by a couple to being
owned by just a woman. - On 2/9/1999 the owner refinanced a $400,000 first mortgage.
- On 7/2/1999 she opened a HELOC for $150,000.
- On 3/31/2000 she opened a HELOC for $759,000.
- On 2/16/2001 she opened a HELOC for $609,300.
- On 3/1/2004 she opened a HELOC for $1,200,000.
- On 10/2/2006 she refinanced with a $2,700,000 Option ARM with a 1.5% teaser rate.
- On 10/2/2006 she opened a HELOC for $200,000.
- On 3/12/2007 she opened a HELOC for $787,500.
- Total property debt is $3,487,500. (which explains the current asking price).
- Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $3,367,500.
I am speechless…
When I first saw this chain of refinances, I was utterly amazed.
Getting out of my Irvine bubble has made me even more bearish about
the high end. Armageddon does not begin to describe what is going to
happen. BTW, this house will not sell for its current asking price. A
nearly identical comp at 501 S. Lucerne Ave–two blocks away–just sold for 2,050,000.
I wrote about Southern California’s Cultural Pathology over
two years ago. I did not fully grasp how pathetic and sick the culture
in much of California has become. Something about seeing this property
and a few others around the neighborhood made be realize how deeply
embeded kool aid intoxication really is here.
The more you stretched to buy a house, the more rewarded you were with appreciation and HELOC money.
Think about that; buyers have been strongly rewarded for decades for
doing something very, very stupid. The reward came though a massive
binge with Ponzi Scheme financing. Nothing in our real estate market is
real. Valuations in every neighborhood in California are being set by
buyers so pickled with kool aid that they do not even realize the
poison they have ingested.
This price crash will be epic; it really will be the great unwinding.
Californians cannot afford their homes. Too many people have
borrowed too much money, and no amount of loan modifications are going
to provide terms that will keep them in their homes. Even if they could
get modified down to managable payment levels, most will walk away
anyway. These people stretched to get the HELOC money that is not going
to be coming. Once this is realized, once homedebtors realize the ATM
machine will not be turned on, they house they found so rewarding will
suddenly be seen for the crushing financial burden it really is.
Easy-money refinances and Home Equity Lines of Credit are the great
poison. They have created a pathology that will take years to cure.
Most buyers active in today’s market do not fully grasp what the end of
a Ponzi Scheme really means. Most assume lenders will re-inflate this
bubble again soon and they will be able to go back to living their
Ponzi Scheme lives. According to the IMF: Global Credit Losses Could Top $4 Trillion. Lenders are not going to lose $4 Trillion dollars and go right back to
the practices that lost them all that money. Even the moral hazard of
our government bailouts will not encourage lenders to be that stupid
again soon.
It’s over.
The lifestyle of excess financed by dumb money is over. All that is
left is for us to watch this slow motion train wreck and document the
excesses here. We may not experience the Great Depression II, but for
those people who became accustomed to the HELOC lifestyle, it will feel
like a depression.
{book6}
I am a superstar with a big big house and a big big car,
I am a superstar and I don’t care who you are,
I am a superstar with a big big house and a big big car,
I am a superstar and I don’t care who you are.
I got fortune, I got fame,
Love it when you say my name.
Love to party, I am naughty,
Prettier than everybody!
I got muscles, I’m a stud,
Jealous people kiss my butt,
I’m so fly I’ll make you cry,
Cross my heart and hope to die.
Superstar — Toy-Box