Lurker’s Post
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Savin’ Me — Nickelback
Today’s property has been featured before, but the price reduction is so significant, I thought it worthy of a new post. This property may be selling for rental parity.
One of the key concepts we have been espousing here at the Irvine Housing Blog is the idea that prices will bottom at rental parity. When a potential homebuyer can save money versus renting, it makes sense to own. A homeowner does not need appreciation for real estate to be a sound financial investment. If you are saving money versus renting, you are coming out ahead. This property can likely be owned for its rental value. If you are willing to live there long term, you will see substantial savings over renters who face subsequent rental increases. Of course, you have to want to live there, and that is the problem with this property and all apartment-like condos for that matter: They are transitory housing. These units will likely fall below rental parity. They should bottom out at prices where an investor can obtain positive cashflow as a rental. Properties like this will see $250,000 at the bottom.
Old Asking Price: $450,000
Income Requirement: $87,725
Downpayment Needed: $70,180
Monthly Equity Burn: $2,924
Purchase Price: $452,000
Purchase Date: 7/16/2004
Address: 17 Elderglen #15, Irvine, CA 92604
| Beds: | 3 |
| Baths: | 2 |
| Sq. Ft.: | 1,220 |
| $/Sq. Ft.: | $288 |
| Lot Size: | – |
| Type: | Condominium |
| Style: | Traditional |
| Year Built: | 1978 |
| Stories: | Two Levels |
| View(s): | Park or Green Belt |
| Area: | Woodbridge |
| County: | Orange |
| MLS#: | S524336 |
| Status: | Active |
| On Redfin: | 41 days |
throught? kitchn?
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Do you think this 3/2 could be rented for $2200? That would cover the cost at a 160 GRM. I have seen other rentals in the area at $2,500, so I don’t think $2,200 is unrealistic. It looks updated inside.
When I first featured this property, I did not have access to mortgage data. Now I do. The bank is going to eat a steaming $hit sandwich on this one. The owner exercised their “put” option back in November of 2006. The Homecomings Financial Network loaned them $550,000 on this property with a $440,000 first mortgage and a $110,000 stand-alone second. WTF? How did this property ever appraise at $550,000? Can you imagine the lender losing in excess of $200,000 on such a small property? For the record, assuming the lender agrees to the short sale, assuming they get their asking price, and assuming they pay a 6% commission, the total loss will be $220,154. We get used to $200K plus losses here at the blog, but we usually don’t see them on small condos. Yikes!
Is it any wonder the banks are hoping someone, anyone, will save them?
I hope you have enjoyed the week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.
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Prison gates won’t open up for me
On these hands and knees I’m crawlin’
Oh, I reach for you
Well I’m terrified of these four walls
These iron bars can’t hold my soul in
All I need is you
Come please I’m callin’
And oh I scream for you
Hurry I’m fallin’, I’m fallin’
Savin’ Me — Nickelback
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Another day, another market crushing REO. I have to wonder when the knife catchers will start to realize there is a steady flow of these properties entering the market. It isn't like you need to buy this one because it is the only good deal in the market, and it isn't going to be the only one we will see in the future. In fact, as each one of these comes on the market, they lower the comps and cause a whole new wave of foreclosures as all the overextended homeowners in the area lose their ability to refinance. We are witnessing the first stage of the market's downward spiral.
Income Requirement: $150,350
Downpayment Needed: $120,280
Monthly Equity Burn: $5,011
Lender Purchase Price: $625,338
Borrower Purchase Price: $745,000
Lender Purchase Date: 3/27/2008
Borrower Purchase Date: 11/30/2006
Address: 176 Vintage, Irvine, CA 92620
| Beds: | 3 |
| Baths: | 3 |
| Sq. Ft.: | 1,580 |
| $/Sq. Ft.: | $381 |
| Lot Size: | – |
| Type: | Condominium |
| Style: | Mediterranean |
| Year Built: | 2005 |
| Stories: | Two Levels |
| Area: | Woodbury |
| County: | Orange |
| MLS#: | U8001540 |
| Status: | Active |
| On Redfin: | 13 days |
HOOME IS CLISE TO AL? What?
ALL CAPS?
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This property has an interesting history. It was first purchased from Pulte homes in May of 2005 for $650,000. The first owner obviously grossly overpaid, but they were fortunate enough to find the greater fool to buy this property for $745,000 on November 30, 2006. Even after commissions, this original buyer made $50,000 for holding the property just over a year. The second owner was not so fortunate. This owner put $149,000 down and lost it all. The bank purchased the property for $625,338 which appears to be the outstanding balance on the mortgage when the missed payments are added on. If the lender gets their asking price (some knife-catcher will probably step up,) they stand to lose about $60,000 after commissions. A relatively small loss by Irvine standards. Of course, the total loss on the property is over $200,000, but the buyer lost the majority of it. It wasn't a particularly successful flip. Also noteworthy is the asking price is a full 20% under the peak sales price. We are 20% off the peak and still falling…
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In my place, in my place
Were lines that I couldn't change
I was lost, oh, yeah
I was lost, I was lost
Crossed lines I shouldn't have crossed
I was lost, oh yeah
And yeah, how long must you wait for it?
Yeah, how long must you pay for it?
Yeah, how long must you wait for it?
Oh, for it
I was scared, I was scared
Tired and under prepared
But I wait for it
And if you go, if you go
Leave me down here on my own
And I'll wait for you, yeah
Yeah, how long must you wait for it?
Yeah, how long must you pay for it?
Yeah, how long must you wait for it?
In My Place — Coldplay
When the Levee Breaks — Led Zeppelin
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Today’s featured property is another mortgage equity withdrawal casualty. Properties like this underscore the dangers of partaking in the appreciation kool aid of the Great Housing Bubble. Most, if not all, of the people who believed in endless appreciation and serial refinancing took out their equity. Many utilized Option ARMs, and they are going to lose their homes. Think about the ramifications of that belief and the decision it influenced: Homeowners who did not take out their equity and refinance with Option ARMs are not going to be in financial trouble, and they will keep their homes. Those that did take out their equity are going to lose their homes. This is one very important life decision supported by a bevy of fallacious beliefs with very serious consequences. Financial bubbles are only fun when they are inflating…
Mortgage Equity Withdrawal 1991-2007
There could be any of a number of reasons this house is for sale now,
but the fact that the owner took out an Option ARM with a 1% teaser
rate in January of 2006 is likely the reason for the sale. A 2/28
Option ARM would have reset in February, and the payment on a
$1,000,000 mortgage is quite large. There is also a HELOC for $144,500. If the HELOC is tapped, and if the negative amortization has accumulated, the total debt on this property could be approaching $1,250,000. It doesn’t seem likely they owe less than a $1,000,000. Perhaps they invested the money wisely and they can pay down the debt at resale. If so, they would be the exception and not the rule.

Income Requirement: $282,250
Downpayment Needed: $225,800
Monthly Equity Burn: $9,408
Purchase Price: $584,500
Purchase Date: 5/4/2001
Address: 14 Mar Vista, Irvine, CA 92602
| Beds: | 4 |
| Baths: | 3 |
| Sq. Ft.: | 3,030 |
| $/Sq. Ft.: | $373 |
| Lot Size: | – |
| Type: | Single Family Residence |
| Style: | French Country |
| Year Built: | 2002 |
| Stories: | Two Levels |
| Area: | Northpark |
| County: | Orange |
| MLS#: | S527115 |
| Status: | Active |
| On Redfin: | 13 days |
Do you like our new graphic, MaxedOut HELOC?
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If this seller obtains their asking price, they stand to make $476,760. That is a great profit for 7 years ownership. Of course, they probably won’t get their asking price, and it is likely they have already spent their profits, but if they get lucky, someone will bail them out of their debts and buy this property. Let’s assume for a moment this seller gets their asking price and walks away with no debt and no credit damage. So what? If they spent all the money, they don’t have any equity to take with them to buy the next property. Do they have the income and the saved downpayment to afford a similar property in the future? Maybe, but I rather doubt it. Once that money is spent, it is gone forever. There is a price to be paid for that “free” money during the bubble. Many former homeowners will pay the price with a greatly diminished quality of housing. HELOC abusers do pay a price. Nothing in life is free.
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Another song about the housing bubble? Is it raining debt? Is it raining REOs? Will praying for a bailout help? Where is the market going? going down now…
If it keeps on rainin’, levee’s goin’ to break,
If it keeps on rainin’, levee’s goin’ to break,
When The Levee Breaks I’ll have no place to stay.
Mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
Mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
Got what it takes to make a mountain man leave his home,
Oh, well, oh, well, oh, well.
Don’t it make you feel bad
When you’re tryin’ to find your way home,
You don’t know which way to go?
If you’re goin’ down South
They go no work to do,
If you don’t know about Chicago.
Cryin’ won’t help you, prayin’ won’t do you no good,
Now, cryin’ won’t help you, prayin’ won’t do you no good,
When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move.
All last night sat on the levee and moaned,
All last night sat on the levee and moaned,
Thinkin’ about me baby and my happy home.
Going, going to Chicago… Going to Chicago…
Sorry but I can’t take you…
Going down… going down now… going down….
When the Levee Breaks — Led Zeppelin
Greed Killing — Napalm Death
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Financial manias are built by greed and fear: the two motivations driving the fluctuation of prices in all financial markets. When prices get greatly detached from fundamental valuations, the market is poised for a dramatic fall. There is a phenomenon in residential real estate markets where
foreclosures become bank-owned properties (REO) that causes prices to drop. Today’s post explores the impact of a single REO in a neighborhood as it lowers the values for everyone else.

Income Requirement: $153,725
Downpayment Needed: $122,980
Monthly Equity Burn: $5,124
Lender Purchase Price: $606,300
Buyer Purchase Price: $758,000
Purchase Date: 6/13/2005
Address: 116 Tall Oak, Irvine, CA 92603
| Beds: | 3 |
| Baths: | 3 |
| Sq. Ft.: | 1,766 |
| $/Sq. Ft.: | $348 |
| Lot Size: | – |
| Type: | Condominium |
| Style: | Other |
| Year Built: | 2004 |
| Stories: | Three or More Levels |
| Area: | Quail Hill |
| County: | Orange |
| MLS#: | P631509 |
| Status: | Active |
| On Redfin: | 3 days |
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This property is a rather unique bank-owned property. It is the first I have seen where the lender received a deed in lieu of foreclosure rather than going through the foreclosure process. I have no idea what the terms of the agreement were, but it is interesting that Countrywide was willing to go through this process rather than foreclose on the property. Another interesting feature was that the seller who gave up the property put $151,700 in a downpayment and gave it up. Based on the neighborhood asking prices, it would appear as if this seller had some equity, but then again, the asking prices in the neighborhood may be wishing prices and this seller may have been better off giving the property back to the bank rather than going through with a sale and paying a commission (although I imagine the local realtors don’t see it that way.)
The property sold in 2005 for around $750,000. This was not the peak as that occurred about a year later. The 20% off the original purchase price is more like 25%-30% off the peak. Let’s take a quick look at the asking prices of neighborhood comps:
321 Tall Oak, Irvine, CA 92603, Price: $709,800 — LOL
124 Tall Oak, Irvine, CA 92603, Price: $725,000 — OMG
213 Tall Oak, Irvine, CA 92603, Price: $788,000 — WTF
We have three sellers on the same street with either the same model or a very similar one. The wide disparity in prices has little to do with the quality of the prices and much to do with the delusions of the sellers. The market is about to give them a cleansing dose of reality.
In a healthy real estate market, when a foreclosure occurs, the auction price is not reflected in property appraisals, and when the REO hits the market, it is absorbed at market prices similar to the asking prices in the rest of the neighborhood. In an unhealthy real estate market like ours, asking prices are all over the spectrum, and they are all greater than bids in the market, so transactions are not occurring. Buyers are either unwilling or unable to purchase at the prices being asked. When there is an REO in a neighborhood it works like a Wal-Mart rolling back the prices of all its competitors.
This REO is going to sell for less than $614,900. When it does, it will serve as a comparable property sale an appraiser cannot ignore. Lenders are now very sensitive to puffed appraisals, and ignoring this comp will not be possible. After this property is sold, buyers looking at the other three properties listed above will have to deal with the lower comp when they seek financing. The lender is going to assume the value of the three properties above are somewhere around $614K, and they will apply their loan-to-value limits based on this amount. If a buyer is only going to be loaned 80% of $614K to purchase any of the other three neighborhood properties, the only way those homeowners are going to obtain their asking prices is if some buyer is willing to put 30%-40% down. How many buyers are ready, willing and able to do that? Not many.
In a restrictive lending environment like we are witnessing now, volume dries up, and prices fall with each sale. Each lower sales price lowers the amount lenders are willing to loan to purchase the next property in the neighborhood. This downward spiral of lower comps reducing lending amounts continues until we reach bottom at rental parity. As the total amount of borrowing declines both the prices of individual properties and aggregate home price measures like the median fall precipitously, just as we have been witnessing since the credit crunch began last August. When we see they aggregate measures reported, it makes for an interesting statistic, but when you see how the process is happening on the ground with properties like today’s, you can see the mechanism for the price decline in action. This is happening all over California, and it will continue to drive prices lower as credit continues to tighten and REOs continue to flood the market.
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The wrong time, the wrong place,
our smiling face of distrust.
Buried, the seed deep in all our heads.
Prepared ouselves for the fall.
The greed killing!
Instinct to mistrust,
instinct- the lust.
Their butchery of feelings,
geared for the greed killing.
The greed killing!
Not now, when then?
Not now, when then?
Greed Killing — Napalm Death