Monthly Archives: January 2009

Help Me Strip My Foreclosure

Remove Yourself — Candiria

Touch what you can’t have
While i have what you can’t touch for now
My friend, all of this will turn to ash

Cash-strapped homedebtors going through a foreclosure often look for ways to get a few dollars out of the property before they give it back to the lender. One common way is to strip down the property and sell everything of value.

When I was in school, I had the privilege of helping a man named Frank Little as he retooled his architecture practice. He did a great deal of research on the tax code and the distinctions between what is personal property and what is a fixture of real estate. In architectural design, it is possible to create construction drawings to have what would ordinarily be classified as a fixture (part of the real estate) be classified as personal property. There are major tax advantages to this classification as you can greatly accelerate the depreciation. In working with Frank, I gained some knowledge of the grey areas between real estate and personal property.

The distinction between fixtures and personal property becomes very important when one is facing foreclosure. The personal property is yours, and you can do what you want with it. However the fixtures are real estate, and as such, they are part of the lender’s collateral. If you remove and sell fixtures, you are potentially stealing from the lender and reducing the value of the collateral.

Most people going through foreclosure could care less about the lender’s collateral. In fact, some people intentionally trash the place simply out of spite. In the weekend open thread, I mentioned a property in Beaumont (35756 Trevino Beaumont,
CA
92223: $492,000 new in 2006, asking $122,850 today. That is a property just over 2 years old (December 2006 to January 2009) selling at a 75% discount.) This property is selling for such a steep discount because the previous owners stripped the house before they left.

I mention all this because a reader sent me a Craigslist ad where a guy facing foreclosure is offering to sell everything in the house, including the fixtures. Here is the ad:

“My $1.5 Million dollar house was built last year and I just lost my job
after 10 years of service and can’t pay $10,000 a month. I pray to GOD
to the other families who are in the same position.

I will list the New prices so make your BEST OFFER.

LIST OF NEW PRICES, MAKE YOUR BEST OFFER. ############

40 White flush 6 inch Can lights $145 each obo

3 white Stairway lights $620 total obo

10 J-Boxes $185 each obo

Greyfox Intercom System Package, Master station, 3 interior sub stations, 1 exterior $2,640 obo

Central Vacuum System with accessory kit Dirt Devil pro series 690 12w x 39tall $2,840 obo

15 universal outlets $275 each obo

KITCHEN CABINETS total $12,650 obo some sizes 23.75w x 52.75single,
30w x30 tall double, 30w x25 double, 2) 36w x12.5 drawers, 33w x 10
drawer, 30w x5 drawer and more in Island etc.

20 about Kitchen Knobs polished nickel $950 total obo

Kitchen Island cabinets $1,435 obo

Undertone Undermount stainless steel Sink Kohler k3356, 29.5w x 34.5 with garbage disposal $980 obo

(SOLD) Wolf Stainless Steel 30” x 50 tall double over with professional handles $3,045 obo

(SOLD) Thermador Stainless Dishwasher with professional handles 23w x 34.5 tall $1,020 obo

(SOLD) Thermador Stainless built-in Microwave with trim kit $490 obo

(SOLD) Wolf stainless 36” Gas cooktop 5 burners $1,790 obo

KitchenAid wine cooler stainless 24” separate climate for red and white holds 48 bottles $1,570 obo

Sub Zero FRIGERATOR with ice and water 42w x 84tall $10,845 obo

Bathroom tub enclosure clear glass doors 58wx 62tall $540 obo

Bathroom stand up shower enclosure clear glass door $540 obo

Framed Mirror master bath 74w x 45 $1,235 obo

Framed Mirror guest bath 30w x 42 $620 obo

WHITE SHUTTERS 20 WINDOWS 4 1/2 inch blades double and single

49w x60tall double, 19 w x36.5 tall single, (3) 37w x 42tall, (3) 25w x 60tall, 24 3/4w x48 3/4tall

(6) 36.5 x 60 3/4 double, $400 each obo

5 Mirrored medicine cabinets 16w x 26 tall $400 obo

2 Mansfield toilets $400 each obo

2 Bathroom towel racks polished nickel $60 obo

4 Bathroom lights with 3 hanging glass bells $100 obo

13 DOORS with fancy double molding (3) 29 3/4w x 79, (5) 31 3/4 x 79, 29.5w x 79, 27 3/4 x 79,

32w x 79 mirrored on each side $250 obo

Bradford White hydrojet energy saver 50 gallon defender safety system WATER HEATER $400 obo

15 Journeyman security double halogen lights motion sensored $30 obo

Looking over his list, I don’t see much there that would qualify as personal property. Nearly everything there is part of the lender’s collateral. If you don’t believe me, read the definition of “fixture” and tell me what you think. I have left off the name and phone number, but I have left the link to the Craigslist ad so that you know it is for real.

Is this stealing? Technically, the guy still owns the house and all the fixtures therein. There are probably provisions in the mortgage that prevents the sale of fixtures after a default, but who would enforce it? If you purchased this stuff, are you stealing? Does the technical definition matter? Is this right or wrong?

Let’s assume that technically this is not stealing because the guy owns the house. Is it OK for you to buy the stuff and screw the lender?

Let’s assume that this man is stealing from the lender. Are you participating in a crime by buying his stolen goods?

Would your ignorance to the crime make it OK? Most people who respond to a Craigslist ad like this are not going to know or understand the nuances of personal property law as it pertains to imminent foreclosures. Most would not care.

Would you buy from this guy?

So digest your consequences
The Serpent’s venom runs inside of you
Your lust, desire will blind your senses
Whirlwinds of disaster for you

{book}

Today’s featured property is NOT the one mentioned in the Craigslist ad. The only reason it is not is because the owner has not decided to strip it down… yet.

25 Fresco kitchen

Asking Price: $1,599,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $399,750

Downpayment Needed: $319,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $13,325

Purchase Price: $1,891,000

Purchase Date: 6/28/2006

Address: 25 Fresco, Irvine, CA 92618

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 3,100
$/Sq. Ft.: $516
Lot Size: 8,500

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Tuscan
Year Built: 2006
Stories: 1
Floor: 1
View: City Lights, City, Greenbelt, Hills, Mountain, Panoramic, Valley
Area: Quail Hill
County: Orange
MLS#: S537000
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 214 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Gourmet Kitchen Award

Desirable SINGLE STORY near new single family RESIDENCE ONE siding to
GREENBELT in community of VICARA in QUAIL HILL, Irvine on a top,
SINGLE-LOADED ST. with 180 degree PANORAMIC VIEWS of mountains, valley,
city lights, and sunsets; 3BRs + OFFICE + MEDIA ROOM, 2.5BAs with 2-CAR
ATT.GAR + STORAGE. Over 150K in UPGRADES incl Gourmet Kitchen
w/stainless steel appl.+ Blt-in wine cooler;granite ctertops
thruout,custom stone,custom hardwood flring thruout;easy maintenance
landscaping front & back;Honeywell digital A/C system w/
micro-filtration built-in. gar. fits 2 cars+computer station w/internet
& phone line+storage. Soft water system thruout. Monitored alarm
system;inside laundry rm w/sink. Lots of cabinet space. Central vacuum
in garage. Outdr speakers in back yard. Courtyd w/fountain/blt-in BBQ
w/sink, burner & granite countertps,fire pit/blt-in
speakers,&French drs out from dining rm & bedrm.Award-winning
Alderwood Basics+ Elem.+nationally-ranked University HS;resort-style
amenities.

Intermittent CAPS LOCK.

flring? rm? drs? incl? Outdr? thruout? Can’t find room for a few more letters (throughout)?

VICARA in QUAIL HILL. Am I the only one who reads “Viagra” every time “Vicara” is mentioned? Viva Vicara

This property was purchased near the peak on 6/28/2006 for $1,891,000. The owner used a $1,511,200 first mortgage, and a $379,800 downpayment. Wow, that must suck. This guy is losing all of his money.

If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss on the property will be $387,940. Since this almost exactly matches the owners downpayment, you have to suspect the price will get pretty sticky right where it is. This listing price history is agony in motion:

Date Event Price Appreciation Source
Dec 11, 2008 Price Changed $1,599,000 SoCalMLS #S537000
Dec 06, 2008 Price Changed $1,659,000 SoCalMLS #S537000
Nov 10, 2008 Price Changed $1,699,000 SoCalMLS #S537000
Nov 05, 2008 Price Changed $1,729,000 SoCalMLS #S537000
Sep 09, 2008 Price Changed $1,799,000 SoCalMLS #S537000
Aug 07, 2008 Price Changed $1,890,000 SoCalMLS #S537000
Jun 19, 2008 Listed $1,989,000 SoCalMLS #S537000
Jun 28, 2006 Sold $1,891,000 Public Records

Each price drop comes right out of this guys downpayment. For his sake, I hope he sells it before it becomes a short sale. It doesn’t look very promising.

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Men of the Earth
You have soiled you’re so foul
With lips of infected sullen
You will indulge yourself

So digest your consequences
The Serpent’s venom runs inside of you
Your lust, desire will blind your senses
Whirlwinds of disaster for you
(for you)

Remove yourself
And take your breath away
Rebuild yourself
Before you fall away

And i will lift you from the bottom
And my hope will fade away
I must pick you up
So you can survive the day

Touch what you can’t have
While i have what you can’t touch for now
My friend, all of this will turn to ash

Remove Yourself — Candiria

Tax Policy and Housing

Taxman — The Beatles

Let me tell you how it will be,
There’s one for you, nineteen for me,
‘Cos I’m the Taxman,

Tax policy and its relationship to housing is a big topic. This post will not be a comprehensive treatise on the subject. I will look at several areas of tax policy and see what incentives they create and how changes in these areas would impact housing prices. This includes three broad areas: ownership taxes and subsidies, debt subsidies, and appreciation taxes.

  • Ownership taxes and subsidies include property taxes, special tax levies, and the impact of proposition 13.
  • Debt subsidies include the home mortgage interest deduction and its relationship to the personal exemption.
  • Appreciation taxes are capital gains and income taxes from the profitable sale of residential real estate.

Ownership Taxes and Subsidies

Property taxes have long been a source of local government tax revenues. Real property cannot be moved out of a government’s jurisdiction, and values can be estimated by an appraisal, so it is a convenient item to tax. In most states, local governments add up the cost of running the government and divide by the total property value in the jurisdiction to establish a millage tax rate. California is forced to do things differently by Proposition 13 which effectively limits the appraised value and total tax revenue from real property. Local governments are forced to find revenue from other sources. Proposition 13 limits the tax rate to 1% of purchase price with a small inflation multiplier allowing yearly increases.

Proposition 13 tends to limit move-up trading because it requires owners to increase their property tax bill, sometimes dramatically. There are basis transfers and ways around this problem for certain people who qualify, but there is a documented tendency among California home owners to stay in their homes because they end up trapped there by the tax savings. This Wikipedia article has a good discussion of the impact of Proposition 13.

Many people who bought at the peak are seeing property tax relief as prices fall. Most do not realize that their property tax bills will rise with appraised values until they hit their purchase price. They are not locked in to the new lower tax basis. New buyers who enter at lower prices are. For instance, say a peak buyer paid $1,000,000 in 2006. In 2011, his tax basis has been reduced to $500,000 with the surrounding property values. A 2011 buyer who pays $500,000 also shares this $500,000 tax basis. However, as property values rise back to $1,000,000, the peak buyer is going to be reassessed every year until his cap is hit at $1,000,000 plus annual allowed increases. The buyer at $500,000 will not face these same increases in property tax. Timing Does Matter.

Proposition 13 opponents point to the deterioration of California’s public schools since its passage as a big reason it should be repealed. However, since our property prices are so volatile, repealing proposition 13 is very unlikely. If we could reduce volatility in the housing market, the impact of Proposition 13 would be negligible, and there would be no need to repeal or reform it. That being said, there is one reform I believe would bring some fairness to this tax. Right now, the yearly allowed increases are less than wage and price inflation. If the escalator in Proposition 13 were tied to the Consumer Price Index, much of the subsidy given to long-term homeowners would be reduced, and tax revenues would better match inflation.

Mello Roos taxes are paid to service and retire development bonds taken out by the original land developer. These taxes come out of a potential buyers money available for a payment, so Mello Roos depress housing prices. One good strategy is to buy in a neighborhood where Mello Roos payments are about to end. The other potential buyers bidding on these properties will all be limited in their loan amounts by the Mello Roos payments, so imminent expiration will not have much impact on pricing. However, your future buyer will not face these payments, and when they do expire, you will see an increase in property value.

Debt Subsidies

Debt subsidies, in particular the home mortgage interest deduction, are seen as a great benefit to home ownership. The benefit is widely overestimated and misunderstood.

First, people fail to understand that to obtain a debt subsidy, you must have debt. You must be making an interest payment on this debt in order to qualify, and you get to reduce your tax burden by a small percentage of the interest amount. In short, you are paying a dollar to save a quarter. There are people who actually seek to maximize their interest payments in order to increase this subsidy. This is really, really foolish. Anyone out there who believes it is a good idea to spend $1 to receive $0.25 in return, please send me as much money as you wish, and I promise to send back 25% of it.

Realtors try to con people with the “throwing your money away on rent” argument. Homeowners buy into the fallacy. Interest is the rent on money. You throw away money on interest just like you throw it away on rent. In fact, people who overpay for housing throw away more money on interest than renters do to obtain the same property, even after the tax subsidy. The only argument one can make for paying extra interest is if you are receiving a return on that investment through property appreciation. We all see how that is turning out.

The main reason the benefits of the home mortgage interest deduction are overestimated is because people forget they must give up the standard deduction in order to obtain it. This is one area where tax policy can have hidden and indirect impact on housing. Changes in the standard deduction greatly impact the benefit of the home mortgage interest deduction. As the standard deduction is increased, the positive impact of the HMID is decreased. In fact, if the standard deduction were doubled, the average American holding a $150,000 mortgage probably would not bother itemizing to obtain the HMID because it would be of no tax benefit at all. This would certainly simplify people’s tax returns. A higher standard deduction is also a boon to renters who do not have the option of obtaining the HMID.

When we set up the RentVsOwnulator, we put in a 25% tax benefit from the HMID. Some people have commented that this is too small a number. It is not. Several people have run the calculations both with and without the HMID, and the net difference is only 25% even at the highest tax brackets. Basically, if you want to figure out your real tax benefit, take your highest marginal tax rate and subtract 10%. That will be a much closer estimate to reality. This reduction is caused by losing the standard deduction.

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Another facet to the HMID is the cap level. Currently mortgages up to $1,000,000 are eligible for the deduction. Does anyone think this is right? Do you realize you as a taxpayer are subsidizing $1,000,000 mortgages? When the GSEs were set up, they established a conforming loan limit. The reason they did this is because they are mandated to subsidize mid and low income housing. Why is the limit on the HMID any higher than the conforming loan limit from the GSEs? Why are we subsidizing high income borrowers?

If we were to reduce the HMID cap level to $500,000 and adjust it by the CPI going forward, we are still subsidizing relatively high income borrowers ($500,000 is still almost triple the median home price in the US). A reduction in this cap would have the same impact as the lower GSE conforming limit is having: it would lower prices at the high end by eliminating the subsidies.

IMO, the government has no place in subsidizing house prices that are well above the median. One can argue that the government should not be subsidizing anything in housing, but the low and middle income subsidies are here to stay. If we raise the standard deduction and lower the HMID caps, we can greatly reduce the impact of the HMID and the cost we pay for it as taxpayers. This would have the effect of lowering prices on more expensive homes, but it would help stabilize the lower end of the market. That is what the market needs right now.

In a post last week, we examined a proposal from John Burns to subsidize housing further by temporarily doubling the HMID. The problem I have with this is the same one I have with all temporary subsidies: how do you end them? Anyone who buys under temporary terms will be hurt when the subsidies are removed. This will cause everyone involved to lobby Congress to make them permanent. Permanently increasing housing subsidies will only make the problem worse at taxpayer expense. In the short term, the Burns’ proposal probably would help stabilize the housing market. If it were not capped it would be a huge tax break for people with large mortgages. It might even ignite another unsustainable rally and postpone the crash temporarily. None of this benefits the housing market long term.

Appreciation Taxes

Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don’t take it all.

A couple of weeks ago, I was contacted by an author named Bill McKim. He has written a pamphlet titled The Financial Crisis of 2008. In it he makes one simple, yet far-reaching proposal that would eliminate volatility in California’s residential real estate market: Tax capital gains due to irrational exuberance at a 100% rate. I must admit, that certainly would do it.

Our current system of calculating and enforcing taxes on property appreciation are a big part of the problem, and reform here is necessary. In short, gains on the sale of a primary residence are largely untaxed (there are complicated rules I will not go into here). There is no other asset class that receives such a generous government subsidy. If you sell most any other asset class for a profit, and you will be paying either personal income taxes or capital gains taxes depending on how long you owned the asset. With housing, most people either qualify for the tax break, or they claim they do and don’t get caught.

For most very long-term homeowners, much of the gain they recognize when they sell their houses is due to inflation. Taxing capital gains caused by inflation actually hurts the long term homeowner. A homeowner who sells after 30 years may not see any gain in value beyond inflation. The money returned to them has the same buying power as when it was put in to the asset. For the government to take a percentage of this inflation-induced gain is to rob the long-term homeowner of buying power. This is a valid reason not to tax capital gains on housing.

Unfortunately, when the Congress looked for a method of overcoming the tax problem of capital gains on long-term home ownership, the method they chose was deeply flawed. They simply put in a large tax break without regard to ownership period. It becomes a huge tax break for property flippers. Rather than benefiting long-term homeowners and encouraging that behavior, the government ends up encouraging frequent property turnover.

The solution to this tax problem is simple. Adjust the purchase price tax basis by the Consumer Price Index. Long-term homeowners would see a significant adjustment in the tax basis of their home while flippers would not.

The next issue is how much to tax the gain itself. Bill McKim proposes that the government should take it all. This would remove all incentive to buy for appreciation, and it would stop irrational exuberance in its tracks. That is probably not a tax policy that would ever get implemented. However, the idea is sound. Once the basis is adjusted for inflation, the tax rate on gains will greatly impact buyers and sellers. The higher the tax rate on capital gains, the less people will seek them, and the lower the market price volatility will be.

Another way to encourage long-term home ownership is to provide a lower capital gains tax rate only to long-term homeowners. For instance, a person who buys and sells a property and holds it for less than 3 years could be taxed at higher personal income tax rates. People who hold a property for more than 3 years would be taxed at lower capital gains tax rates. This would greatly inhibit the mindless flipping done by people who do not improve property.

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Tax policy is complicated, and its impact on housing is important. The tax policies of The Great Housing Bubble contributed to its inflation, and there are many proposals to use tax policy to ease its deflation. There are some proposals I believe would be helpful, and some that would not. Now is a good time to take a hard look at the incentives these tax policies create and ask ourselves if the subsidies we provide as a society are providing us with the benefits we seek.

Today’s featured property is a small apartment condo. It is also a 2003 rollback (almost).

16 Lakepines inside

Asking Price: $335,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $83,750

Downpayment Needed: $67,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $2,791

Purchase Price: $450,000

Purchase Date: 5/18/2006

Address: 16 Lakepines, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,204
$/Sq. Ft.: $278
Lot Size: 868

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1977
Stories: 2
Floor: 1
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: S560202
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 2 days

lite-brite

Great buy in North Woods.! Light and Bright Home with Vaulted Ceilings,
Wood Laminate Flooring and Lots of Storage. Step Down Living Room with
Fireplace. Large Private, Fenced Back patio. Amenities include Enclosed
Laundry, Walk-In Closet and Skylight. Association Pool and Spa. Close
to award winning schools, Beautiful Parks, shopping and the freeway.
Low Tax, No Mello Roos!

I have never seen a period followed by an exclamation point before. Very creative.

As you might have guessed, this property was bought by a flipper with 100% financing. It was purchased on 5/18/2006 for $450,000. The owner used a $360,000 first mortgage, a $90,000 second mortgage and a $0 downpayment. The bank took back the property on 11/12/2008 for $320,000. If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss to the lender will be $135,100.

This property is being offered for 26% off its peak purchase price. IMO, that is not near enough to sell it…

Check out this price history.

Date Event Price Appreciation Source
Jan 16, 2009 Listed $335,000 SoCalMLS #S560202
Dec 19, 2008 Listed $335,000 MRMLS #T08174576
May 18, 2006 Sold $450,000 12.4%/yr Public Records
Sep 11, 2003 Sold $329,000 21.4%/yr Public Records
Oct 26, 1999 Sold $155,000 -0.2%/yr Public Records
Jun 27, 1991 Sold $157,500 54.5%/yr Public Records
Nov 28, 1990 Sold $122,500 -6.1%/yr Public Records
Feb 16, 1989 Sold $137,000 Public Records

This property is almost a 2003 rollback. By the time it sells, it almost certainly will be.

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1,2,3,4,1,2

Let me tell you how it will be,
There’s one for you, nineteen for me,
‘Cos I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don’t take it all.
‘Cos I’m the Taxman,
Yeah yeah, I’m the Taxman.

(If you drive a car car), I’ll tax the street,
(If you try to sit sit), I’ll tax your seat,
(If you get too cold cold), I’ll tax the heat,
(If you take a walk walk), I’ll tax your feet.
Taxman.

‘Cos I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
Don’t ask me what I want it for
(Ah Ah! Mister Wilson!)
If you don’t want to pay some more
(Ah Ah! Mister Heath!),
‘Cos I’m the Taxman,
Yeeeah, I’m the Taxman.

Now my advice for those who die, (Taxman!)
Declare the pennies on your eyes, (Taxman!)
‘Cos I’m the Taxman,
Yeah, I’m the Taxman.
And you’re working for no-one but me,
(Taxman).

Taxman — The Beatles

This has been a long post. Monday’s often are.

Open Thread 1-17-2009

Bad to the Bone — George Thorogood

On the day I was born
The nurses all gathered ’round
And they gazed in wide wonder
At the joy they had found
The head nurse spoke up
Said “leave this one alone”
She could tell right away
That I was bad to the bone

No particular theme for this weekend’s post. Sometimes you just want a little testosterone rush…

I know some of you have been waiting for some sponsored posts. We have still been looking for the right property. Quite honestly, prices are still too high, and there are not many truly good deals in the marketplace.

In a normal real estate market (i.e. anywhere other than California), there are two types of properties: 1. Those properties desirable for owner-occupants that trade near rental parity, and 2. Those undesirable properties that trade at prices where cashflow investors can obtain a 10% – 12% return on their downpayment investment. Those are the properties we are looking for.

Right now in the market, there are many properties trading at or below rental parity. These are not hard to find. However, there are no desirable properties trading at rental parity, and the undesirable ones have not fallen far enough below rental parity to be a good rental investment. That only leaves one kind of “investment” property available: the speculative bet with positive cashflow.

One of the least intelligent investment decisions people made during the bubble was paying so much for their speculative bets that the property could not generate enough cashflow to cover the cost of ownership. An investment that consumes more cash than it generates is what Robert Kiyosaki calls an “alligator.” It is a great method for losing a lot of money. Our current crop of floplords is finding this out right now.

Prices in many markets are low enough that properties at least do not lose money each month, and some even generate a positive cashflow. The rate of return on these properties is very small, and you can probably earn as much money from a high-yield CD as you can from some of these rentals. However, if there is another bubble, you could make money on appreciation, and in the meantime, you can hold these properties indefinitely waiting for prices to go up.

Personally, I think properties that do not cashflow enough to be a valid investment without appreciation is a foolish way to invest. But then again, I have every confidence my fellow Californian’s will create another real estate bubble if given the chance. The bet an “investor” in these properties is making is that the lenders will be stupid enough to loosen credit and create another unsustainable Ponzi Scheme that will cost them a trillion dollars. I just don’t see that happening again soon.

We may put up some sponsored posts of properties in this grey area that have positive cashflow and are candidates for future appreciation. It may be a while before we see cap rates in excess of 8%, and with interest rates being very low, it may be a very long time before we see 10% to 12% cap rates in residential real estate. Despite how much prices have crashed in many areas, they are still too high.

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There are some properties that are trading at prices that are so low that they do make sense as rentals. However, they are in such undesirable neighborhoods that it may be difficult to keep them rented. We do not want to profile these properties because we do not want to suggest a property that would require the buyer to be a slumlord.

Check out some of these properties:

2521 W Sunflower Ave #R2 Santa Ana,
CA
92704: $279,000 in 2004, asking $128,000 today.

2101 S Pacific Ave #75 Santa Ana,
CA
92704: $350,000 in 2006, asking $99,900 today. That is 72% off!

717 E Chestnut Ave #9 Santa Ana,
CA
92701: $270,000 in 2005, asking $83,000 today.

223 S Juanita St Hemet,
CA
92543: $265,000 in 2005, asking $54,900 today. That is 80% off!

344 ALESSANDRO Hemet,
CA
92543: $270,000 in 2005, asking $42,000 today. That is 85% off!

And just so I am not accused of only profiling really awful properties…

35756 Trevino Beaumont,
CA
92223: $492,000 new in 2006, asking $122,850 today. That is a property just over 2 years old (December 2006 to January 2009) selling at a 75% discount.

I may add some more properties to the list this weekend. I only looked for 10 minutes on Redfin to find these. Look in any fringe market, and you will see devastation that is almost hard to imagine. Many almost-new houses are selling for less than their replacement costs

Here is some fan mail I received this morning:


Roberts assumes too much without any knowledge of the facts.
Like most writers, he takes facts from the garbage can of other writers and
feeds it to the ignorant masses. I am a realtor and this makes me mad. Nothing
could be farther from the truth. A realtor, unlike a writer, has to research the
market in order to place a value on a listing that sells. A home that is
overpriced gets shown with other houses in the same price range. The average
buyer looks a 10 homes before choosing one among them. An overpriced home would
not show well among the 10 other homes the buyer has examined.

A realtor can earn more money by pricing a house low. All
top agents will attest to this. A well price or home will sell twice as fast.
The real estate agent can sell twice as many homes per year by pricing his
listings at a fair price. Only a pen head writer would not have discovered this
fact if he were researching for the truth instead of hoping for a
Pulitzer.

Does anyone else think I am factually challenged?

I must have something left in my Reservoir of Schadenfreude because winding up a realtor does not upset me. I wish I knew what this message was in response to so I could comment further.

More Articles

Roberts, Lawrence D. “How Do Debt-To-Income Ratios Impact House Prices?.” How Do Debt-To-Income Ratios Impact House Prices? EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?How-Do-Debt-To-Income-Ratios-Impact-House-Prices?&id=1853776

Roberts, Lawrence D. “Home Equity – What is It?.” Home Equity – What is It? EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Home-Equity—What-is-It?&id=1841771

Roberts, Lawrence D. “Paying Off Mortgage Debt is Becoming Fashionable Again.” Paying Off Mortgage Debt is Becoming Fashionable Again EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Paying-Off-Mortgage-Debt-is-Becoming-Fashionable-Again&id=1857241

Roberts, Lawrence D. “Exotic Loan Programs Always Fail.” Exotic Loan Programs Always Fail EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Exotic-Loan-Programs-Always-Fail&id=1867505

Roberts, Lawrence D. “Pick-a-Pay Option ARM Loans – What Are They?.” Pick-a-Pay Option ARM Loans – What Are They? EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Pick-a-Pay-Option-ARM-Loans—What-Are-They?&id=1867521

Roberts, Lawrence D. “The Home Mortgage Financing Impact on Home Equity.” The Home Mortgage Financing Impact on Home Equity EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Home-Mortgage-Financing-Impact-on-Home-Equity&id=1867509

Roberts, Lawrence D. “The Truth About Renting Versus Owning Residential Real Estate.” The Truth About Renting Versus Owning Residential Real Estate EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Truth-About-Renting-Versus-Owning-Residential-Real-Estate&id=1867510

Roberts, Lawrence D. “Conventional 30 – Year Amortizing Mortgage – Why Use It?.” Conventional 30 – Year Amortizing Mortgage – Why Use It? EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Conventional-30—Year-Amortizing-Mortgage—Why-Use-It?&id=1867511

Roberts, Lawrence D. “The Interest-Only, Adjustable-Rate Mortgage is Very Risky.” The Interest-Only, Adjustable-Rate Mortgage is Very Risky EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Interest-Only,-Adjustable-Rate-Mortgage-is-Very-Risky&id=1867516

Roberts, Lawrence D. “Lies Realtors Tell – Ten of Their Favorites.” Lies Realtors Tell – Ten of Their Favorites EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Lies-Realtors-Tell—Ten-of-Their-Favorites&id=1867526

Roberts, Lawrence D. “Bring Back Paternalism in the Mortgage Market.” Bring Back Paternalism in the Mortgage Market EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Bring-Back-Paternalism-in-the-Mortgage-Market&id=1868727

Roberts, Lawrence D. “House Prices Are Supported by Fundamentals – Not!.” House Prices Are Supported by Fundamentals – Not! EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?House-Prices-Are-Supported-by-Fundamentals—Not!&id=1890440

Roberts, Lawrence D. “Stated-Income Loans – How Common Were They?.” Stated-Income Loans – How Common Were They? EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Stated-Income-Loans—How-Common-Were-They?&id=1905417

Roberts, Lawrence D. “Future Loan Terms and Residential Real Estate Markets.” Future Loan Terms and Residential Real Estate Markets EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Future-Loan-Terms-and-Residential-Real-Estate-Markets&id=1905522



Roberts, Lawrence D. “Home Improvement Loans Are a Bad Idea.” Home Improvement Loans Are a Bad Idea EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Home-Improvement-Loans-Are-a-Bad-Idea&id=1905456

Roberts, Lawrence D. “Down Payments Are Back! What Happened to 100% Financing?.” Down Payments Are Back! What Happened to 100% Financing? EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Down-Payments-Are-Back!-What-Happened-to-100%-Financing?&id=1905430



Roberts, Lawrence D. “Inflation and Home Equity – What is the Relationship?.” Inflation and Home Equity – What is the Relationship? EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Inflation-and-Home-Equity—What-is-the-Relationship?&id=1905441

Roberts, Lawrence D. “Judicial and Non-Judicial Foreclosure – What is the Difference?.” Judicial and Non-Judicial Foreclosure – What is the Difference? EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Judicial-and-Non-Judicial-Foreclosure—What-is-the-Difference?&id=1905460

Roberts, Lawrence D. “Mortgage Equity Withdrawal – Are Americans Addicted to It?.” Mortgage Equity Withdrawal – Are Americans Addicted to It? EzineArticles.com. http://ezinearticles.com/?Mortgage-Equity-Withdrawal—Are-Americans-Addicted-to-It?&id=1905466

Nobody Wants This One

Gotta Be Somebody — Nickelback

Cause nobody wants to be the last one there

It must be very difficult to sell a really undesirable property. It must be very difficult to admit to yourself that you are the bagholder. You were the greater fool. You were the one who paid a King’s Ransom for a piece of crap nobody else wants. This is even more difficult when it is a short sale, and the lender is not willing to lower the price enough for you to sell it. The reality of your folly must be hard to ignore when you can’t get rid of it.

Today’s featured property is a large home on a big lot in Irvine. One would think this combination would be an easy sell. Apparently it is not.

You have to love this realtor comment: “Needs some TLC such as carpet, paint (inside & out),remodeling, landscaping, etc., but very nice neighborhood.”

Translation, “OMG, this is a POS. Well, it is in Irvine…”

Asking Price: $599,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $149,975

Downpayment Needed: $119,980

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,000

Purchase Price: $760,000

Purchase Date: 5/13/2005

Address: 3671 Claremont St., Irvine, CA 92614

Beds: 5
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,533
$/Sq. Ft.: $237
Lot Size: 5,100

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1969
Stories: 2
Area: Westpark
County: Orange
MLS#: S528724
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 277 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Fixer-upper

Westpark Home in nice neighborhood. Needs some TLC such as carpet,
paint (inside & out),remodeling, landscaping, etc., but very nice
neighborhood.

So let me get this straight: This house is a trashed and needs to be completely done over inside and out. Before I can even begin, I have to spend $600,000. I will need a $120,000 downpayment, plus cash reserves, plus another $100,000 to fix the place up. When I am done, I will be out-of-pocket over $220,000 cash, I will have a $480,000 mortgage, and I will have a 40-year old property in Irvine that will be worth less than my mortgage in two years.

WHAT A DEAL!!!

The property records on this house are incomplete. There are a number of people listed as buyers who never took possession. It is difficult to ascertain what is going on or how much is owed. There is a recorded mortgage for $608,000 which may explain why the $600,000 price threshold has been so sticky with this seller. Check out this listing history:

Date Event Price Appreciation Source
Jan 14, 2009 Price Changed $599,900 SoCalMLS #S528724
Jan 07, 2009 Price Changed $625,000 SoCalMLS #S528724
Jan 07, 2009 Relisted SoCalMLS #S528724
Jan 07, 2009 Off Redfin SoCalMLS #S528724
Oct 26, 2008 Price Changed $599,900 SoCalMLS #S528724
Oct 22, 2008 Relisted SoCalMLS #S528724
Sep 23, 2008 Price Changed $597,500 SoCalMLS #S528724
Aug 05, 2008 Price Changed $610,000 SoCalMLS #S528724
Jul 01, 2008 Price Changed $629,900 SoCalMLS #S528724
Jul 01, 2008 Relisted SoCalMLS #S528724
Jun 09, 2008 Off Redfin SoCalMLS #S528724
Jun 03, 2008 Relisted SoCalMLS #S528724
Apr 21, 2008 Off Redfin SoCalMLS #S528724
Apr 13, 2008 Listed $670,000 SoCalMLS #S528724
May 13, 2005 Sold $760,000 Public Records

It is not clear whether or not this is a short sale. It may be that the $600,000 price is necessary to prevent a short sale. It appears as if the market is saying this isn’t low enough. Given this property’s state of repair, further price reductions are going to be necessary to sell it.

So let me hear some creative solutions to this problem: You have an undesirable property you need to sell, but you can’t reduce your price. If anyone can solve this dilemma, there are several million sellers out there waiting to hear from you…

I hope you have enjoyed this week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we
continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

🙂

{book}

This time, I wonder what it feels like
To find the one in this life, the one we all dream of
But dreams just aren’t enough
So I’ll be waiting for the real thing, I’ll know it by the feeling
The moment when we’re meeting, will play out like a scene
Straight off the silver screen
So I’ll be holding my own breath, right up ’til the end
Until that moment when, I find the one that I’ll spend forever with
Nickelback
Cause nobody wants to be the last one there
Cause everyone wants to feel like someone cares
Someone to love with my life in their hands
There’s gotta be somebody for me like that
Cause nobody wants to do it on their own
And everyone wants to know they’re not alone
There’s somebody else that feels the same somewhere
There’s gotta be somebody for me out there

Tonight, out on the street, out in the moonlight
And dammit this feels too right, it’s just like deja vu
Me standing here with you
So I’ll be holding my own breath, could this be the end
Is it that moment when, I find the one that I’ll spend forever with

Cause nobody wants to be the last one there
Cause everyone wants to feel like someone cares
Someone to love with my life in their hands
There’s gotta be somebody for me like that
Cause nobody wants to do it on their own
And everyone wants to know they’re not alone
There’s somebody else that feels the same somewhere
There’s gotta be somebody for me out there

Gotta Be Somebody — Nickelback

We've Only Just Begun

We’ve Only Just Begun — The Carpenters

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The truth about real estate is that most people will buy and sell due to life’s circumstances. If a family wants to own a home for stability and security because they have small children or if a baby is on the way, they are not concerned with whether or not they are properly timing the real estate cycle. Unfortunately, the real estate cycle moves independantly of our life cycle.

We’ve only just begun to live,
White lace and promises
A kiss for luck and we’re on our way.

The innocent people who got caught up in the housing bubble — and there are many buyers who were not motivated by greed — are paying an hefty price for their own bad timing. Look at what a difference a few years makes.

Let’s say you graduated college in 1994. You were probably a bit bummed because the California economy was not doing that well, but if you found a job, you could begin your life. People in that circumstance might have been ready for marriage shortly thereafter, and they probably bought a house between 1997 and 2000. These people, assuming they did not abuse their HELOCs, are not going to lose their homes in foreclosure.

Now look at the circumstances of someone who graduated in 2001. They should not have been ready to buy until perhaps 2008, but with innovations in home mortgage finance, they were able to enter the real estate market early. They were “pulled forward” into 2004, 2005 or 2006. These are not real estate experts (although some probably thought they were), they are just 20-somethings who were given an opportunity to own a home with little sacrifice or saving on their part. Why would they have turned this opportunity down?

Well, the people who were graduating in 1994 are doing OK whereas those who graduated in 2001 or later are totally screwed.

Is this right? Should the real estate cycle really be allowed to have such a capricious impact on people’s lives? Does anyone think this system works?

The housing bubble is having an enormous impact on the health of individuals, families and entire
communities. As
with any mass delusion, it is difficult to see beyond the comforting
fallacies to understand the deeper truth; however, it is essential to
do so because the cost in emotional and financial terms of getting
caught up in the mania is very high. Foreclosure and bankruptcy are bad
for individuals, bad for families, and bad for society.

So much of life ahead
We’ll find a place where there’s room to grow,

When I saw the listing photos for today’s featured property, I couldn’t help but feel compassion for the innocent. (Do you think this means I have emptied my Reservoir of Schadenfreude?) When you see the first photo, your eye cannot help but be draw to the wedding photo on the wall over the fireplace (followed by the bottle on the counter…) Then when you see the kitchen photo, you see all the pictures on the refrigerator. There is another photo with a picture of the happy couple near the TV. (This is horrible staging, BTW).

This couple, this family, is watching their future get destroyed by the housing bubble.

Now before we break out the violins, this was a 100% financing deal, and they owners are not losing any of their money, but their dreams of climbing the property ladder are gone, their credit score will plummet, and they will be shut out of the housing market for the foreseeable future. All because their life cycle lead them to buy at the worst possible time in the housing cycle.

2206 Apricot Dr Living Room 2206 Apricot Dr Kitchen

Asking Price: $274,999IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $68,750

Downpayment Needed: $55,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $2,291

Purchase Price: $389,000

Purchase Date: 6/21/2006

Address: 2206 Apricot Dr #206, Irvine, CA 92618

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 910
$/Sq. Ft.: $302
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary/Modern
Year Built: 1979
Stories: 1
Floor: 1
View: Mountain, Pool
Area: Orangetree
County: Orange
MLS#: S559747
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

New Listing (24 hours)

Single level condo on 2nd floor with elevator access. 2 Bedroom and 2
Bath condo with Patio/Balcony out Master and Dining Area. Open floor
plan. Fireplace in Living area. Close to shopping and Freeway. Secured
building. Elevator and intercom. Handicap access. HOA provides water,
gas, trash, maintenance, pool spa, lit tennis courts, basketball court
and tot lot.

This property was purchased on 6/21/2006, right at the peak of the bubble. The owner used a $311,200 first mortgage, a $77,800 second mortgage, and a $0 downpayment. If this property sells for its asking price, the lender stands to lose $130,500 after a 6% commission. BTW, most of this loss was a second mortgage insured by the GSEs. In other words, you and I will be paying for this loss with tax dollars.

So how do you feel about this now? Are these people predatory borrowers betting on appreciation? Were they innocent victims just trying to live their lives? Are they something in between?

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We’ve only just begun to live,
White lace and promises
A kiss for luck and we’re on our way.
And yes, We’ve just begun.

Before the rising sun we fly,
So many roads to choose
We start our walking and learn to run.
And yes, We’ve just begun.

Sharing horizons that are new to us,
Watching the signs along the way,
Talking it over just the two of us,
Working together day to day
Together.

And when the evening comes we smile,
So much of life ahead
We’ll find a place where there’s room to grow,
And yes, We’ve just begun.

We’ve Only Just Begun — The Carpenter