Monthly Archives: January 2009

The New Real Estate Sales Business Model

The current business model for selling real estate needs to change. The collapse of the housing bubble may be what causes a major shift in the way real estate is sold in the United States.

Today’s featured property was purchased by us at auction. IndyMac,
which is now owned by the US taxpayer, bought this property, and now
they are trying to get some of their money back.

4 Rockrose Way kitchen

Asking Price: $631,900

Address: 4 Rockrose Way, Irvine, CA 92612

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The End — The Doors

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end

I got out my crystal ball this weekend and gazed into the future of
the residential real estate sales business. I foresee the end of the 6%
sales commission model.

The 6% Business Model

When a seller signs a listing agreement with a realtor, the
commission is typically 6%. This commission is split between the
buyer’s broker and the listing broker. Each one gets 3%. This
commission is often further split between the broker and the
salesperson. Each one gets 1.5%. Each real estate commission could
potentially get split into 4 pieces each representing 1.5% of the sales
price. This structure supports a great many people — too many.

The 6% sales commission business model only survives for two
reasons: 1. The National Association of Realtors (NAR) lobbies every
level of government to maintain their advantage, and 2. The NAR
controls market data through the Multiple Listing Service (MLS).

It is hard to say what the future is for the NAR lobbying efforts.
I, for one, have been suggesting that the NAR be regulated by the
Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) due to their propensity to
routinely make false statements regarding the financial performance of
housing as an investment class. When people stop to examine the role of
the NAR in the inflation of the housing bubble, the power of their
lobby may be pushed back by public opinion. Of course, they were just
as responsible for helping inflate the coastal bubble of the late 80s,
and they managed to convince people the deflation of the bubble was due
to the economy. The realtors were blameless, of course. Perhaps they
will get lucky and avoid responsibility again in the eyes of the public.

The big problem for the NAR and their business model is the
free-flow of information on the internet. The internet is taking away
the exclusivity of their information. Eventually, this factor alone
would lead to the death of this sales model. Competition for
commissions among all those with data access who are not subject to the
cartel arrangement of the NAR would cause commissions to fall.

We already see this among the buyer’s brokerages like Redfin who are
offering 1% buy-side sales commissions instead of the usual 3%. Redfin
and other discount, buy-side brokerages like them have already chipped
away at half the commission structure. The only thing missing is a new
business model to chip away at the sell-side of the equation. That is
where today’s post comes in.

Problems with the Current Model

In the 6% business model, the realtor is totally responsible for the
sales and marketing effort. Any staging, photography, advertising or
other resources devoted to the marketing effort comes out of the
realtor’s pocket. If there is no transaction, the realtor does not get
paid, and any sums spent in marketing efforts is gone. There is no risk
to the seller in this business model as the risk of a sale resulting in
a commission is entirely on the realtor.

This creates a number of incentives that do not work very well.

Since all the financial risk is on the realtor, their incentive is
to do as little as possible. Even though there is a fiduciary
responsibility to market the property, realtors often do nothing that
requires an outlay of money. They will take their own poorly-staged
photographs and write the awful descriptions I lampoon on a daily
basis. They will sign up for whatever free marketing is available, and
do little else that costs them money.

Realtors are not entirely to blame for this behavior. Since owners
have no risk, and since they are not personally invested in the
process, they often behave in ways that inhibit a transaction from
taking place.

Owners will list their homes for sale purely for vanity. They put a
WTF asking price on the property so they can brag about how much it is
worth.

Owners are sometimes very greedy. They put a WTF asking price on the
property to make sure they extract every last penny from the sale.
Prices outside the realm of possibility simply waste everyone’s time —
and the realtor’s marketing dollars.

Owners do not always stage the property well or keep it clean for
showings. If a realtor has to show a pigsty, it does not help
facilitate a sale.

Owners are not always emotionally ready to sell their property. This
often causes them to behave in ways that prevent a sale without their
even realizing it. Owners may know they need to sell, so they list a
property, but unless they want to sell, it will not happen.

The Pay for Marketing Model

The business model I propose changes these incentives. It would have the following characteristics:

  • Sellers contract with realtors for marketing services.
  • A 1% commission is paid to the listing agent if there is a sale.
  • The buy-side commission is set by the seller ranging from 1% on up.

Contracting between the potential seller and the listing agent takes
the risk away from realtors and compensates them for their marketing
efforts, whether or not a sale occurs. It changes the mindset
of sellers. Once a seller starts spending money to sell their house,
they are far more motivated and committed to completing the transaction.

There is a 1% sell-side commission to provide additional incentive
for the realtor to perform their marketing and sales duties well. It is
nice to know they are making enough to cover their expenses and make a
few bucks through the marketing program, but the commission structure
is still necessary to motivate them properly.

The seller also gets to determine the buy-side commission. A typical
commission would be 1% similar to what Redfin makes on its buy-side
activities. However, if the seller is particularly motivated, they can
increase the buy-side commission to attract more attention to their
listing.

How It Works

Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free

The business model of a consultant is fairly simple: you write a
scope of work detailing what will be done, and you list the deliverable
products you will produce. The purchaser of these services agrees to
pay for these services as work proceeds and deliverables are produced.

If sell-side realtors embrace a marketing consultant business model,
with a 1% sales commission incentive bonus, they would have limited
risk of spending money without getting paid (every consultant has this
risk), they would not be starving to death in the lean times, and they
have some upside potential if they do the marketing job well enough to
make a sale happen. The advantage to sellers is obvious: a 1%
commission plus direct marketing expenses is much less expensive than
paying a full 3% on the listing side of the commission structure. It is
truly a win-win.

A good realtor or property marketing company can devise a number of
marketing plans to suit any budget. The minimum plan would contain
whatever services the realtor felt was essential to facilitate a home
sale. It is a waste of time to do less than this. Each realtor or
marketing company can devise their own plans and cost structure. They
could even keep track on statistics on each plan’s success (did it
sell, and how fast). Since the focus is on tasks and deliverables, the
seller of the property who is contracting for these services can easily
verify if the services are actually being performed. As stated
previously, the seller pays for these services whether or not a sale
occurs.

For instance, a realtor may have a minimum package that is one step
above a for-sale-by-owner effort. The property can be photographed by
the realtor who also writes the description and loads it into the MLS.
For an extra $1,000 the property can be professionally staged and
photographed, and a professional copywriter can write a description.
For more money, the property can be included in various real estate
advertising publications. I think you get the idea. A full menu of
possible marketing possibilities can be put together into packages or
sold to the property seller a-la-carte.

The savings for the seller would be enormous. For example, the
typical 6% commission on a $500,000 property is $30,000. This comes
right out of the seller’s pocket at the closing table. If the seller
were to contract with a realtor for $2,500 in direct marketing (which
would buy a lot of marketing), a 1% sell-side commission, and a 1%
buy-side commission, the seller would be spending $2,500 trying to
facilitate the sale (a motivating risk to the seller) and $10,000 in
commissions ($5,000 to the listing, sell-side broker, and $5,000 to the
buy-side broker). Instead of costing $30,000, the sale costs the seller
$12,500. That is a 59% reduction in cost to the seller.

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There will be resistance to this plan on the part of some realtors
who would prefer to continue to get 3%-6% for doing little or nothing.
Those that have been enjoying the free ride will have the most to lose.
However, this has not stopped Redfin from taking 2/3 of the commission
out of the buy-side of the transaction. If a person or organization
with vision, good marketing skills, and a basic understanding of the
consulting business model were to go after the sell-side, I don’t think
there is much that would stop them.

I am not a marketing expert, so I am not the one to do it, but
perhaps one of the readers of this blog is. I hope someone does this —
at least by the time I am a seller again…

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end

Today’s featured property was purchased by us at auction. IndyMac,
which is now owned by the US taxpayer, bought this property, and now
they are trying to get some of their money back.

4 Rockrose Way kitchen

Asking Price: $631,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $157,975

Downpayment Needed: $126,380

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,265

Purchase Price: $870,000

Purchase Date: 12/20/2006

Address: 4 Rockrose Way, Irvine, CA 92612

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,500
$/Sq. Ft.: $253
Lot Size: 3,328

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Traditional
Year Built: 1966
Stories: 2
Area: University Park
County: Orange
MLS#: P672478
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 3 days

Fixer-upper

Great price for this townhome. Needs TLC. It has 4 bedrooms and 2.5
bathrooms. tile and carpet flooring. Good size living room with
fireplace. Oak kitchen cabinets. Huge master bedroom with fireplace.
Enclosed den. Direct garage access. Subject property is being sold in
its as is condition without any warranties expressed or implied.

Lately, I have been trying to look at properties as if their prices were approaching reality. Even with the big discount, this property is still grossly overpriced. I might become interested at $420,000, but at $631,000… not.

This property was purchased on 12/20/2006 for $870,000. The owner used a $696,000 first mortgage, a $130,500 second mortgage, and a $43,500 downpayment. The owner went into default, and the property was purchased by INDYMAC FEDERAL BANK FSB on 12/10/2008 for $552,758. That sale represents a 37% drop from the peak.

If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss on the property will be $276,014. I, you and every US taxpayer will lose $232,514. The original owner lost $43,500.

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This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end
Ill never look into your eyes…again

Can you picture what will be
So limitless and free
Desperately in need…of some…strangers hand
In a…desperate land

Lost in a roman…wilderness of pain
And all the children are insane
All the children are insane
Waiting for the summer rain, yeah

Theres danger on the edge of town
Ride the kings highway, baby
Weird scenes inside the gold mine
Ride the highway west, baby

The End — The Doors

Open Thread 1-24-2009

The Man Who Sold the World — Nirvana

You’re face to face
With the Man who Sold the World

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We passed upon the stair, we spoke in was and when
Although I wasn’t there, he said I was his friend
Which came as a surprise, I spoke into his eyes
I thought you died alone, a long long time ago

Oh no, not me
We never lost control
You’re face to face
With The Man Who Sold The World

I laughed and shook his hand, and made my way back home
I searched for a foreign land, for years and years I roamed
I gazed a gazeless stair, we walked a million hills
I must have died alone, a long long time ago

Who knows? Not me
I never lost control
You’re face to face
With the Man who Sold the World


The Man Who Sold the World
— Nirvana

Anyone else want some TARP?

(hat tip to Calculated Risk)

Bamboo Hoo

Boo Hoo — Guy Lombardo and His Royal Canadians

One of the first new communities in Irvine to start showing stress as prices weakened was Northwood II. I first profiled the abundance of listings in this small neighborhood back in March of 2007 in the post Bamboozled. I have also featured this neighborhood in Is fear gripping the market?

In the first post, Bamboozled, I had this little chart:

“Real estate always goes up, or so buyers are bamboozled into
believing by realtors. It only takes a few nervous neighbors to drive
down property values in an entire neighborhood. Comps are set at the
fringes where the transactions take place.”

Remember when prices used to look like that? Pay careful attention to that last listing as it is also today’s featured property.

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In the second post from September of 2007, I had this observation:

“Another neighborhood showing increased listings and more racing to find the bottom is Northwood II.

Northwood II

Like all the new neighborhoods in Irvine, this one is populated by
specuvestors who are starting to realize they made a terrible mistake.
The homes priced in the $750K to $950K range, so these are not the
small condos we are seeing struggle everywhere else. This is the first
sign of fear spreading from the low-end of the market to the move-up
SFD market.”

So what is going on there now?

CrybabyToday, there is 1 bank owned property, 4 scheduled auctions, and 5 in pre-foreclosure. There are also 15 homes offered for sale on Redfin (some of which are also one of the aforementioned categories). This is not a big neighborhood, and there has already been a lot of turnover from original owners selling out.

Perhaps it is just my perception, but I always saw this neighborhood as being full of speculators and flippers. I feel sadder for many of the young families that bought into Woodbury who were just starting out. The homes in Northwood II are generally larger, move-up homes. So for all the speculators and flippers who are getting burned, I proffer my phony boo hoo for you.

While we are taking a trip down memory lane, I came across this post from 2007. It is a letter to the editor at the OC Register from a realtor who just lost over $100,000 on a flip in Irvine. For people who want to understand why I often do not have the best opinion of realtors, you need to read what this guy wrote. Besides, in historical context, it is hilarious.

64 Bamboo front 64 Bamboo kitchen

Asking Price: $780,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $195,000

Downpayment Needed: $156,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $6,500

Purchase Price: $950,000

Purchase Date: 11/16/2004

Address: 64 Bamboo, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,460
$/Sq. Ft.: $317
Lot Size: 3,970

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 2004
Stories: 2
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: S560596
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 2 days

Move in condition home with over $100,000 in upgrades. Great cul-de-sac
location with full driveway. Custom granite counters in kitchen with
stainless steel appliances. Plantation shutters, built-in entertainment
center. Fourth room/loft is currently used as a gym on the second
floor.Additional office space on the second floor. Cozy fireplace in
living room. Hardwood floors. This gorgeous home is located in the
gated community of Northwood II. Association offers pool, spa, BBQ.
Home is located in the with in walking distance of shopping and
restaurants. Located in the Northwood high school district.

Move in condition? As opposed to trashed out in foreclosure…

This property was purchased on 11/16/2004 for $950,000. The owner used a $758,450 Option ARM first mortgage with a 3.94% teaser rate and a $191,550 downpayment. The guy first tried to sell this place in early 2007 when he was asking $1,049,900. Notice the extra $900 on the end? That is my greed indicator. Notice his current price doesn’t have this $900 added to it. That is a sign of capitulation.

If this property sells for its current asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss would be $216,800. In all likelihood this is a short sale. The $191,550 downpayment is gone.

This property is being offered for 18% off its 2004 purchase price. It was new in 2004.

I hope you have enjoyed this week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we
continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

🙂

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Are You Smarter than a Real Estate Agent?

Dumb — Nirvana

I’m not like them
But I can pretend

In my ongoing, yet unintentional, campaign to obtain realtor hate mail, I would like to quiz you today. MalibuRenter conceived of this post, and he did all of the research — basically, he wrote it, and I got to add the snarky comments. Get something to write on and record your answers to the following questions, the complete questions and answers are below the fold:

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Are You Smarter Than a Real Estate Agent?

1. Looking at the long history of US home prices adjusted for inflation (1890 to 2008), how long has it historically taken for US home prices to double (for the same type and size of house in the same location)? ___5-10 years, ___10-20 years, ___20-50 years, ___51-80 years

2. Adjusted for inflation, had real estate prices ever declined nationally before 2007? ___yes, ___no.

3. Can the value of a home drop so much that it has to be given away in order to find a new owner?

4. What portion of US homeowners take the mortgage interest deduction? ___under 30%, ___30-40%, __40-50%, __50-60%, __60-70%, ___over 70%

5. Assume a couple purchases a home at the US median home price of $200,000 (as of 3rd quarter 2008), puts 10% down, and gets a $180,000 30 year fixed rate loan at 6% interest. Assume they are in the 25% tax bracket. If they have no other itemized deductions, about how much is the mortgage interest deduction worth to them? ___$12,000 ___$10,800 ___$3,000 ___$2,592 ___Zero.

6. If overall inflation is 3% per year (with similar rates of inflation for home prices, maintenance, and property taxes), buying a house with a fixed rate mortgage means that the cost of living in that house will ____ stay the same for 30 years, ____rise by 1-3% per year, _____rise by 3%+ per year?

7. Through 12/31/05 (near the peak of the housing bubble), which investment had the highest return over the past 100 years? ____stocks (Dow/S&P 500), ____high grade bonds, ____ single family homes

8. Do children of renters and homeowners living in adjacent homes/condos typically attend different public schools? ___yes, no

9. If a stockbroker or investment advisor knowingly made misleading statements about historic returns on an investment to a potential investor, what would happen?

10. If a realtor (or the National Association of Realtors) made misleading statements about real estate, what would happen?

11. Which of the following groups files for bankruptcy most often, and is most likely to lose a home through foreclosure?
___Single men, ___Single women, ___Couples with no children, ___ Couples with children

12. If you have a 30 year fixed rate loan at 6% interest, how much of the principal will you have paid off after 15 years? __under 25%, __25-35%, __35-45%, __45-55%, __over 55%.

13. Does taking a home equity loan or refinancing for a higher amount make it more likely you will be foreclosed on? __ Yes, __No

14. In 2007, CA had 13.2 million houses, condos, and apartments. How many people in CA had real estate licenses? ___under 100,000; ___200,000-300,000; ___300,000-400,000; ___400,000-500,000; ___500,000-600,000; ___over 600,000.

I’m having fun
I think I’m dumb
Or Maybe just happy

For those of you who do not want to relive your school test nightmares, I have a property for you to look at.

145 Danbrook kitchen

Asking Price: $609,950IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $152,487

Downpayment Needed: $121,990

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,082

Purchase Price: $495,500

Purchase Date: 7/22/2004

Address: 145 Danbrook, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 2
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,400
$/Sq. Ft.: $436
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Other, Tuscan
Year Built: 2004
Stories: 3+
Floor: 3
View: Park or Green Belt
Area: Turtle Ridge
County: Orange
MLS#: P518047
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 959 days

Unsold in 90+ days

HIGHLY UPGRADED CARPET, WOODFLOORS, WIDE WINDOW BLINDS, DRAPES, GARAGE
CABINETS, TUSCAN-STYLE KITCHEN COUNTER TOPS, BLACK APPLIANCES,
STAINLESS STEEL REFRIGERATOR(included), CUSTOM CABINETS, A/C, LARGE TWO
CAR GARAGE. STACK WASHER/DRYER(included). LOTS OF STORAGE. COMPUTER
INTERNET OFFICE AREA. MICROWAVE OVEN. TWO PATIO DECKS. NEWPORT COAST
SHOPPING.BEACH COUPLE MILES AWAY. OWNER MOVING OUT OF AREA(MOTIVATED).

Owner is motivated? After 959 days on the market, I don’t feel a big sense of urgency here.

This property was purchased on 7/22/2004 for $495,000. The owner used a $320,000 first mortgage, and a $175,000 downpayment.

Check out this listing price history. At one time this woman was asking $804,995. LOL! She probably deserved that $310,000 profit after owning it for two years.

Date Event Price Appreciation Source
Jan 19, 2009 Price Changed $609,950 SoCalMLS #P518047
Jan 06, 2009 Price Changed $675,000 SoCalMLS #P518047
Jan 03, 2008 Price Changed $714,000 SoCalMLS #P518047
Apr 14, 2007 Price Changed $748,900 SoCalMLS #P518047
Feb 11, 2007 Price Changed $794,900 SoCalMLS #P518047
Jun 05, 2006 Listed $804,995 SoCalMLS #P518047

This property is still grossly overpriced even after all these reductions. Most Irvine neighborhoods are at or below 2004 pricing, but this property is supposed to be 25% higher? Oh yea, it is Turtle Ridge…

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Are You Smarter Than a Real Estate Agent?

1. Looking at the long history of US home prices adjusted for inflation (1890 to 2008), how long has it historically taken for US home prices to double (for the same type and size of house in the same location)? ___5-10 years, ___10-20 years, ___20-50 years, ___51-80 years

A. 51-80 years. From 1890 to 2000 this had never occurred, even if you purchased at the bottom and sold at the top. In 2001 home prices adjusted for inflation were twice as high as 1921, the first time a doubling had occurred. The shortest period of time for prices to double was from 1949 to 2006, 57 years.

2. Adjusted for inflation, had real estate prices ever declined nationally before 2007? ___yes, ___no.

A: Yes, prices drop about as often as they rise. When adjusted for inflation, home prices have dropped slightly more often than they have risen. This is true from 1890 to 2008 (52% of the years prices dropped after adjusting for inflation), from the end of WWII to 2008 (51% of the years prices dropped), from 1980 to 2008 (48% of the years prices dropped). The chart below shows inflation-adjusted single family home prices in the US (From Robert Shiller http://www.econ.yale.edu/~shiller/data/Fig2-1.xls ).

3. Can the value of a home drop so much that it has to be given away in order to find a new owner?

A. Yes. There are currently numerous examples in Detroit and Cleveland, and an assortment of others in places like Indianapolis. When prices drop below several thousand dollars, the current owner is very likely paying out more than the purchase price for a real estate commission, title search and title insurance, and documents fees.

This most commonly happens to smaller homes in poor repair, and in areas where the population is dropping. http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/0-0&fp=49671eb0070dbe74&ei=K3FnSZnEKoKQNe2KwOkE&url=http%3A//money.cnn.com/2009/01/08/real_estate/thousand_dollar_homes/%3Fpostversion%3D2009010812&cid=1291117800&usg=AFQjCNHqWeJv4ixHrneUNW4mMuh0APfrLw

4. What portion of US homeowners take the mortgage interest deduction? ___under 30%, ___30-40%, __40-50%, __50-60%, __60-70%, ___over 70%

A. 40-50%. Approximately 43% of homeowners take the mortgage interest deduction.

In 2007 there were 75.6 million owner occupied homes. Owner occupied homes were 68% of all households. Only 29% of tax filers itemized and took the mortgage
interest deduction. 26.7 million (35%) of homeowners have no mortgage. 48.9 million (65% of homeowners) have mortgages. 42% of homeowners have mortages and take the mortgage interest deduction. Sources: Number of owner-occupied homes, 2007 American Housing Survey Table 1A. Number of owner-occupied homes with and without mortgages, 2007 American Housing Survey Table 2-19. Portion of tax returns with mortgage interest deduction from IRS Publication 1304 (2006), tables 1.1 and 2.1.

Note that many people who take the mortgage interest deduction don’t get to deduct the full interest cost. If you have no other deductions, the first $11,400 of mortgage interest doesn’t exceed the standard deduction.

5. Assume a couple purchases a home at the US median home price of $200,000 (as of 3rd quarter 2008), puts 10% down, and gets a $180,000 30 year fixed rate loan at 6% interest. Assume they are in the 25% tax bracket. If they have no other itemized deductions, about how much is the mortgage interest deduction worth to them? ___$12,000 ___$10,800 ___$3,000 ___$2,592 ___Zero.

A. Zero, zip, nada, zilch, absolutely nothing, a nullity. For 2009, the standard deduction for a married couple is $11,400. For a $180,000 loan at 6% interest, the interest is about $10,740 per year. Thus, there is no benefit for this couple to itemize and take the mortgage interest deduction.

Even if the couple had bought a more expensive house and taken the mortgage interest deduction, the interest would drop every year, and the standard deduction likely rises in future years. Thus, the value of the mortgage interest deduction drops every year the loan is outstanding.

Median home price as of Q3 2008 from National Association of Realtors , http://www.realtor.org/wps/wcm/connect/c5200d804bf84ae9beb7befda086cc0a/REL08Q3T.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=c5200d804bf84ae9beb7befda086cc0a .

Median national downpayment is from a Zillow survey for Q3 2008, http://www.zillow.com/reports/RealEstateMarketReports.htm. Even at a 5% downpayment, there would still be no benefit to the mortgage interest deduction.

Standard deduction for 2009 is from http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=187825,00.html

6. If overall inflation is 3% per year (with similar rates of inflation for home prices, maintenance, and property taxes), buying a house with a fixed rate mortgage means that the cost of living in that house will ____ stay the same for 30 years, ____rise by 1-3% per year, _____rise by 3%+ per year?

A. Rise by 1-3% per year. Because the costs of maintenance, insurance, and property taxes all rise over time, having a fixed rate loan is only a partial hedge against inflation. The portion of the mortgage payment which is interest drops each year, and the standard deduction rises. For people who take the mortgage interest deduction, the aftertax mortgage payment rises slowly over time, even with a fixed rate mortgage.

7. Through 12/31/05 (near the peak of the housing bubble), which investment had the highest return over the past 100 years? ____stocks (Dow/S&P 500), ____high grade bonds, ____ single family homes

A. Stocks 6.7%, Bonds 2.6%, Single family homes 0.7%. Those are real numbers adjusted for inflation. Since they are all measured over the same time periods, without adjusting for inflation, stocks would still have outperformed bonds, and both would have outperformed houses. Sources: Real rates of returns for stocks and bonds Prof Jeremy Siegel, Wharton School, http://archives2.sifma.org/boca2005/pdf/JeremySiegel.pdf . Real returns on homes prices, from Robert Shiller, Yale University, http://www.econ.yale.edu/~shiller/data/Fig2-1.xls .

8. Do children of renters and homeowners living in adjacent homes/condos typically attend different public schools? ___yes, no

A. They all attend the same public schools. Parents don’t need to buy in a good school district in order to have their children attend school there.

9. If a stockbroker or investment advisor knowingly made misleading statements about historic returns on an investment to a potential investor, what would happen?

A. He would be subject to discipline, fines, revocation of his license, and under certain circumstances criminal prosecution. Rule 10b-5 of the Federal Securities Act of 1934 Employment of Manipulative and Deceptive Devices states:

“It shall be unlawful for any person, directly or indirectly, by the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce, or of the mails or of any facility of any national securities exchange,
a. To employ any device, scheme, or artifice to defraud,
b. To make any untrue statement of a material fact or to omit to state a material fact necessary in order to make the statements made, in the light of the circumstances under which they were made, not misleading, or
c. To engage in any act, practice, or course of business which operates or would operate as a fraud or deceit upon any person, in connection with the purchase or sale of any security.”

There are many similar state law provisions.

10. If a realtor (or the National Association of Realtors) made misleading statements about real estate, what would happen?

A. If recent experience is any guide, they would be ignored or mocked, but would not encounter any sanctions. Real estate itself is not classified as a security, and the Federal government does not regulate misrepresentation regarding investment returns on real estate.

An extremely public example of a questionable or misleading claim is a National Association of Realtors ad which first aired in 2008. It claims “On average, the value of a home nearly doubles every 10 years”, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyZpNIyVKQk .
The Wall Street Journal skewered this claim, and another investment return calculation from the National Assoc of Realtors at http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2008/01/29/nar-campaign-touts-real-estate-as-a-great-investment/ . Here is an excerpt:
“It’s a “very misleading statement,” said James R. Webb, director of the Center for Real Estate Brokerage and Markets at Cleveland State University and a professor of finance. Mr. Webb noted that housing-price appreciation rates vary across the U.S. and that “the rates for appreciation that we saw in the past few years were artificial due to the fact that we gave a zillion people mortgages who shouldn’t have gotten them. If we hadn’t given those people the mortgages, those rates of appreciation wouldn’t have happened.”
It’s best to view a house as a home – not as an investment he stressed, adding, “You shouldn’t buy a house if you don’t need a house. You should buy a house because you want to live in it, not because it’s a good investment. People have become seduced by the idea that a house is a good investment.”
We also phoned Chris Mayer, the director of the Milstein Center for Real Estate at Columbia Business School. About NAR’s down payment/stock market comparison, Mr. Mayer said, “That’s insane. If one of my students made that calculation, I would fail them.”
NAR’s calculation leaves out several important variables, such as closing costs, how much money goes into maintaining a property, brokers’ fees, property taxes and “the risk of using 95% leverage – in the example NAR puts forth, the buyer only puts down 5% of the home’s cost and borrows the rest, he explained.”

11. Which of the following groups files for bankruptcy most often, and is most likely to lose a home through foreclosure?
___Single men, ___Single women, ___Couples with no children, ___ Couples with children

A. Couples with children are the most likely to file bankruptcy, and the most likely to be foreclosed on. “The families in the worst financial trouble are not the usual suspects. They are not the very young, tempted by the freedom of their first cr
edit cards. They are not the elderly trapped by failing bodies and declining savings accounts. And they are not a random assortment of Americans who lack the self-control to keep their spending in check. Rather, the people who consistently rank the in the worst financial trouble are united by one surprising characteristic. They are parents with children at home.” The Growing Threat to Middle Class Families, Elizabeth Warren, Harvard Law School, http://www.nacba.org/files/new_in_debate/GrowingThreatMiddleClassFamilies.pdf .

12. If you have a 30 year fixed rate loan at 6% interest, how much of the principal will you have paid off after 15 years? __under 25%, __25-35%, __35-45%, __45-55%, __over 55%.

A. 25-35%. At the end of 15 years, at 6% you would have paid off 29.4% of principal. At 5% interest, you would have paid off 32.5%. At 7% interest you would have paid off 26.6%.

13. Does taking a home equity loan or refinancing for a higher amount make it more likely you will be foreclosed on? __ Yes, __No

A. Yes, because you now have higher monthly payments, and the total outstanding loans are larger. This makes it more likely you will have difficulty making payments due to job loss, divorce, or serious medical problems. It also makes it more likely that you cannot sell the house for at least the loan value.

14. In 2007, CA had 13.2 million houses, condos, and apartments. How many people in CA had real estate licenses? ___under 100,000; ___200,000-300,000; ___300,000-400,000; ___400,000-500,000; ___500,000-600,000; ___over 600,000.

A. 500,000-600,000 http://www.ocregister.com/money/estate-real-number-1970845-people-last. As of Dec 07 there were 548,959 people with CA real estate licenses. One for every 24.2 housing units. The number of housing units (including 8% vacant) is from http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/NPTable?_bm=y&-geo_id=04000US06&-qr_name=ACS_2007_3YR_G00_NP01&-ds_name=&-redoLog=false. 60.2% were owner occupied as of 2006, *http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/hvs/annual06/ann06t13.html . That means one real estate agent for every 14.6 households. Of course, not all real estate agents do residential sales. Some do commercial, some do leasing, and some have licenses for other purposes.

I’m not like them
But I can pretend
The sun is gone,
But I have a light
The day is done,
I’m having fun
I think I’m dumb
Or maybe just happy

Think I’m just happy (x3)

My heart is broke
But I have some glue
Help me inhale
And mend it with you
We’ll float around
And hang out on clouds
Then we’ll come down
And have a hangover

Have a hangover (x3)

Skin the sun
Fall asleep
Wish away
soul is cheap
Lesson learned
Wish me luck
Soothe the burn
Wake me up

I’m not like them
But I can pretend
The sun is gone,
But I have a light
the day is done,
I’m having fun
I think I’m dumb
Or Maybe just happy

Think I’m just happy (x3)

I think I’m Dumb (x12)

Dumb — Nirvana

The Difference Distress Makes

Who’ll Stop The Rain — Creedence Clearwater Revival

Long as I remember
the rain been comin’ down.
Clouds of myst’ry pouring
confusion on the ground.

The difference in asking prices between those who must sell their properties and those who do not is pretty remarkable. When I wrote about the ARM Problem, I laid out the case for destruction of pricing at the high end. Basically, the low end has been wiped out because this is where subprime was concentrated, and the high end is in a low-volume holding pattern waiting for the Alt-A and Option ARM resets to wipe them out. There have been some feeble attempts to make light of this problem, but I have not seen any compelling reason to believe these resets will not flatten the market. In fact, the mainstream media is starting to pick up on the fact that there is a Growing Foreclosure Crisis. I wrote the post, When Not If, to more clearly illustrate the ARM problem and show how it will impact one particular property. It will be one of many.

What I want to show today is just how devastating must-sell inventory is to a housing market. We have already seen the low end get blasted, but how significant are the discounts on high end properties when they become distressed? To illustrate I have two properties to view today. One is a distressed sale asking $1,073,100 and the other is a non-distressed homeowner asking $1,599,900. I don’t see many differences between these properties, but I will let you decide if one of them deserves a 50% premium over the other.

First our non-distressed property:

15 Spring Grv kitchen

Asking Price: $1,599,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $400,000

Downpayment Needed: $320,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $13,333

Purchase Price: $589,000

Purchase Date: 12/23/1997

Address: 15 Spring Grove, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 6
Baths: 5
Sq. Ft.: 3,800
$/Sq. Ft.: $421
Lot Size: 9,000

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: French Provincial
Year Built: 1997
Stories: 2
View: Trees/Woods
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: S560295
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 2 days

WOW! Spectacular location with no homes behind-quiet interior location
with huge lot. POTENTIAL 6 BEDROOMS, 4.5 BATHS, POOL, SPA, BBQ, COVERED
LOGGIA, OUTDOOR FIREPLACE. SOARING CATHEDRAL ceiling living room, guest
suite and office downstairs, 4 bedrooms upstairs, master with retreat –
SUPER CLEAN – planatation shuttres, granite, Hunter Douglas blinds,
ITALIAN TILE floors, almost 9,000 square feet lot – ENJOY THREE
SWIMMING POOLS – less than 200 yards to AWARD WINNING elementary and
high schools.

WOW! the CAPS LOCK goes ON AND off.

Super clean? So what?

shuttres?

One sign of the lack of distress (or perhaps greed) is the extra $900 in the price tag. This guy was only willing to leave $100 on the table when dropping the price below $1,600,000. I suppose he could have priced it like gas and asked for $999.99 and 9/10.

Eleven years of ownership, and this guy thinks his property has tripled in value, and he deserves to make $1,000,000. Why not hang on for 33 years and make $3,000,000?

And now our distressed property:

2 Clear Crk front 2 Clear Crk kitchen

Asking Price: $1,073,100IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $268,275

Downpayment Needed: $214,620

Monthly Equity Burn: $8,942

Purchase Price: $1,150,000

Purchase Date: 7/15/2003

Address: 2 Clear Creek, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 5
Baths: 5
Sq. Ft.: 3,800
$/Sq. Ft.: $282
Lot Size: 6,796

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Other
Year Built: 1998
Stories: 2
Floor: 1
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: S560186
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 3 days

Beautiful 5 bedroom 4.5 bath home located in the prestigious Cristal
Community. Great cul-de-sac location with no neighbors behind. House
includes a large family room, living room, and gourmet kitchen with
breakfast nook. Rear yard includes a built-in barbeque area; excellent
for entertaining.

BTW, this is a 2003 Rollback at the high end.

Date Event Price Appreciation Source
Jan 16, 2009 Listed $1,073,100 SoCalMLS #S560186
Sep 22, 2008 Sold $1,118,000 -0.5%/yr Public Records
Jul 15, 2003 Sold $1,150,000 16.5%/yr Public Records
Aug 05, 1998 Sold $541,000 Public Records

These properties are very similar. The more expensive one has a bigger yard, a pool and one additional bedroom, but it is closer to Culver. The sizes are identical. The less expensive one is on the end of a cul de sac.

Each of these properties has plusses and minuses, and people can construct rational arguments why each one commands a premium over the other. I can’t come up with a good argument why one of them is 50% more expensive than the other… except that one is a distressed sale and one is not.

These distressed sales are going to greatly reduce prices. They already are.

{book}

Who`ll Stop The Rain

Long as I remember
the rain been comin’ down.
Clouds of myst’ry pouring
confusion on the ground.
Good men through the ages,
try’n’ to find the sun,
and I wonder, still I wonder,
who’ll stop the rain.

I went down Virgina
seekin’ shelter from the storm.
Caught up in the fable,
I watched the tower grow.
Five years plans and new deals,
wrapped in golden chains,
and I wonder, still I wonder,
who’ll stop the rain.

Heard the singers playin’
how we cheered for more.
The crowd had rushed together,
trying’ to keep warm.
Still the rain kept pourin’,
fallin’ in my ears,
and I wonder, still I wonder
who’ll stop the rain.

Who’ll Stop The Rain — Creedence Clearwater Revival