Monthly Archives: December 2008

The Fringe

Living on the Edge — Aerosmith

There’s somethin’ wrong with the world today
The light bulb’s gettin’ dim
There’s meltdown in the sky

Fringe markets are those regions where properties are less desirable due to proximity to large employment centers. These markets develop as people are priced-out of the more desirable markets closer to work. Eventually, employment centers also migrate to these fringe market areas, and development pushes even further into the wilds.

When Irvine was first developed, it was a fringe market. The primary employment centers were in the LA basin, and those who bought in Irvine commuted to these far-away employment centers. As Orange County continued to develop, it became a strong employment center of its own.

There are still fringe markets even in Orange County. San Clemente and Rancho Santa Margarita are examples. There is limited employment in these sub-markets, and people commute to employment centers.

Fringe markets have characteristically volatile house prices. People only live in fringe markets because they are priced-out of more desirable areas, so when prices drop in the better areas, people leave fringe markets, and prices really plummet.

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Proximity to employment is not the only defining characteristic of a fringe market. Even within primary markets like Irvine, we have fringe neighborhoods that experience greater price volatility because they are undesirable for other reasons. One such neighborhood in Irvine is Columbus Grove.

Columbus Grove was developed at the peak of the housing bubble, and it was overpriced from the beginning. The continuing activity of the builders coupled with the ubiquitous toxic financing has resulted in many home sales of the must-sell variety. This created a nasty downward spiral in prices.

Columbus Grove also suffers from its proximity to powerlines, underground toxic waste, a nearby cement factory, and other elements which make it less desirable. The combination of inflated prices, huge numbers of must-sell homes, and low desirability has caused prices to absolutely crater.

Every single homeowner there has a property worth less than the paid for it, and the vast majority are hopelessly underwater on their mortgages.

Tell me what you think about your sit-u-a-tion
Complication – aggravation
Is getting to you

Actually, conditions like these make for ideal places for vultures to be active. When we do reach the bottom, the best deals will be in neighborhoods like this one. Unfortunately for the flipper who owns today’s featured property, we are not at the bottom.

If chicken little tells you that the sky is fallin’
Even if it wasn’t would you still come crawlin’
Back again?
I bet you would my friend
Again & again & again & again & again

78 Fringe Tree Kitchen

Asking Price: $699,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $174,750

Downpayment Needed: $139,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,825

Original Purchase Price: $800,000

Original Purchase Date: 11/28/2006

Flip Purchase Price: $479,774

Flip Purchase Date: 10/30/2008

Address: 78 Fringe Tree, Irvine, CA 92606

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,685
$/Sq. Ft.: $260
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 2006
Stories: 3+
Floor: 2
View: Park or Green Belt
Area: Columbus Grove
County: Orange
MLS#: P665053
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 31 days

Gourmet Kitchen Award

Exquisite Kensington Court Luxury Townhome. Built in 2006. 2-Car
Attached Direct Access Garage. Private Front Fenced Patio. Home
Features 3 Bedrooms and 2 Full Bathrooms on Third Level, Includinga 30′
x 21′ Master Bedroom with Huge Walk In Closet, Large Master Bathroom
with Roman Tub, Separate Shower and Dual Vanities. Main Floor has
Bedroom and 1.75 Bathrooms. Separate Family Room on 2nd Floor with
Beautiful Wood Floors. Washer & Dryer Hook Ups are on Bedroom
Level. Ceramic Tile Floors in Kitchen, Dining Room and Living Room.
Living Room also has Alot of Windows and a Cozy Fireplace. Upgraded
Gourmet Kitchen with Stainless Steel Appliances, Stainless Sink,
Granite Countertops and Island. Association Amenities Include Pools,
Spa, Park with Tot Lot, Outdoor BBQ and Lounge Area. This is Truly a
Remarkable Area with Lots of Amenities.

Notice how much more detailed and cared about the description is when people think they are going to make money on the deal.

What Is With Title Case?

This is Truly a
Remarkable Area. Yes, the price drops have been truly remarkable here…

If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the flipper stands to make $177,286. It certainly looks like there is some room to negotiate…

What is interesting about this property is the impact it is having on the neighbors. Imagine you were a buyer in this neighborhood in 2006. Then you see an REO go for 40% less than you paid 2 years ago. It must be very disheartening.

But wait! the new owner is asking a more reasonable market price. Perhaps you didn’t lose $320,000 after all, perhaps you are only down $100,000. Can you see how this little property has taken the neighborhood from despair to delight? Oh, but there is more…

What is it Worth?

Those high HOA fees are a killer

78 Fringe Tree Value

P.S. I notified the forum of my writing of this post yesterday. I received the following email:

“I see that you are planning to try to attack me personally again, by means of showing a distressed sale in my neighborhood. I would expect nothing less of you. I really don’t know where you get off, with your bottomless pit of arrogance and general spitefulness. You explained to me privately two years ago that it is your “persona” who is the one being so obnoxious, and that you personally don’t have any/all answers. I never revealed that conversation, even though I could have, and respected you enough to let it be. I never once attacked you after that, despite any accusations of the same. I am happy that it gives you so much pleasure to see me hurt financially. Congratulations, you have got your fondest wish. Both my husband and I, and everyone else we (and you) know (both homeowners and not) are suffering. You clearly have your opinions on the cause, as do I, but only you are allowed the freedom to express them, apparently.”

No, I will allow you to express your opinion too…

“It is too late for me to participate in any general forums, due to the unending belligerence I have had to suffer through, and any comments on 78 Fringe Tree will bring nothing but personal attacks, as is your intention. For every person you feel you have helped, I feel you have harmed another…I genuinely do. I think you have convinced yourself that everyone who owns a home has intentionally harmed you, and I find that (thinking) a fate worse than being wiped-out. Come what may, I will carry on with my life. I am proud beyond measure with who I am and what I stand for. I am only interested in lifting others up.

I know I feel very uplifted…

As for the statement, “I never once attacked you after that,” how about this little gem, “I don’t think Irvine Renter is really capable of an honest discussion.
In fact, I firmly believe he exhibits some of the characteristics of a
sociopath. This issue has certainly brought out the vilest aspects in
all of us. That may be the saddest part of all.” Or perhaps this one, “This is no first-time homebuyer crying out for fairness. This is a
self-serving greedy bastard, who doesn’t care how much damage happens
to others, or the economy in general. What they care about is lining
their own pockets, period.”

Do you feel the love?

Due to our policy at the Irvine Housing Blog, I will not share the name or email address of the correspondent.

The astute observations should be interesting today…

{book}

There’s somethin’ wrong with the world today
I don’t know what it is
Something’s wrong with our eyes

We’re seeing things in a different way
And God knows it ain’t His
It sure ain’t no surprise

We’re livin’ on the edge
We’re livin’ on the edge
We’re livin’ on the edge
We’re livin’ on the edge

There’s somethin’ wrong with the world today
The light bulb’s gettin’ dim
There’s meltdown in the sky

If you can judge a wise man
By the color of his skin
Then mister you’re a better man that I

We’re livin’ on the edge
You can’t help yourself from fallin’
Livin’ on the edge
You can’t help yourself at all
Livin’ on the edge
You can’t stop yourself from fallin’
Livin’ on the edge

Tell me what you think about your sit-u-a-tion
Complication – aggravation
Is getting to you

If chicken little tells you that the sky is fallin’
Even if it wasn’t would you still come crawlin’
Back again?
I bet you would my friend
Again & again & again & again & again

Living on the Edge — Aerosmith

How is OC Doing?

Cassandra — ABBA

Pity Cassandra that no one believed you

When I first started writing for the Irvine Housing Blog in February of 2007, I wrote a series of posts culminating in Predictions for the Irvine Housing Market. I updated that post in I Was Wrong, Its Worse... When I first suggested that prices might crash, there was a certain amount of incredulity in the very idea of a dramatic price crash. In order to float the idea with a minimum of being called crazy, I wrote a post titled, What if Prices Dropped to Fundamental Values. In that post, I presented a series of projections for the Orange County median home price. I put it out there as a hypothetical because I was afraid predicting a catastrophic crash would cost me credibility with readers. Even this hypothetical was shocking to many (read the comments and you will see).

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How crazy did people think I was?

“Let’s not get too carried away. First of all we probably should not
really make economic prediction more than one year ahead. As
IrvineRenter said, this is just an “what if” analysis. It makes an
interesting game for bubble sitters but IMO we should not read too much
into it.”

“I am not agreeing that the blow off downturn will look as drastic.”

“I have been following all your posts for quite sometime. I think your price dropping theory is way too unrealistic.” I hate to tell you who said that one…

“After tweaking your model, it seems that prices would need to fall
30-35% to return to fundemental values, not 50%. Considering the
factors above, it seems likely that once prices started falling by
significant margin that the pool of sellers would start to dry up.
Only folks that absolutely were forced to sell would consider it, which
would look more like a long, slow leak than a collapse.”

“I just don’t agree it will be as bad as you think. I *hope* you’re right … but I just don’t see it.”

“If I had to guess, I’d say 15-20% overall drop in housing values over the next 2-3 years max.”

“While I agree wait for a couple of years (may be two) is a good idea, but I just can’t image the prices will gone down so much.”

“Your long-term forecast appreciation is just pure speculation.”

Sorry Cassandra I misunderstood
Now the last day is dawning
Some of us wanted but none of us would
Listen to words of warning

{book}

So how did I do with my crystal ball? Well, DataQuick just released some updated numbers, and with the help of Jon Lansner and Lee in Irvine who has been tracking DataQuick numbers, I can provide an update:

OC Actual versus prediction

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As you can see (consistent with the theme of I Was Wrong, Its Worse...) I was too conservative in with my dire predictions. At the time, I was predicting an unprecedented drop in prices. I did feel I was being conservative despite the conventional insanity of the day. I did not believe the median could drop so quickly. Perhaps I should have stood behind my predictions in How Bad Can Bad Get?

Today’s featured property is a short sale in Woodbury. Irvine is a bit behind the rest of OC with its price drops, but with the ARM Problem still facing us, a problem 60 minutes just discussed at length, it certainly looks as if prices will continue to fall…

66 Chantilly Front 66 Chantilly Kitchen

Asking Price: $499,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $124,750

Downpayment Needed: $99,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,158

Purchase Price: $663,000

Purchase Date: 7/27/2006

Address: 66 Chantilly, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,275
$/Sq. Ft.: $391
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 2005
Stories: 2
Floor: 1
Area: Woodbury
County: Orange
MLS#: S557014
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 3 days

Gourmet Kitchen Award

wow,absolutely gorgeous,plan 3 Cortile,Detached home w/3 bedrooms, 2
1/2 bathrooms,upgraded floorings,gorgeous hardwood floorings in living
room and staircase and hall way and decorative ceramic tiles in kitchen
and dining room.Spacious gourmet kitchen,window plantation
shutters,nice sized patio excellent for entertaining,Media
built-in.This property is gorgeous.And enjoy all the ammenities of
resort like living of Woodbury.

This place must be gorgeous. It is mentioned 3 times in that brief description.

ammenities?

This property was purchased on 7/27/2006 for $663,000. The owners used a $530,400 first mortgage, a $132,600 second mortgage, and a $0 downpayment. It didn’t go up in value, so now they are dumping it as a short sale.

If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss will be $193,940.

This property is being offered for 25% off its 2006 purchase price.

What is it worth?

I remember seeing one of these units for rent at $2,500 not long ago. Assuming that is market rent, this property is worth around $400,000.

{book}

Down in the street they’re all singing and shouting
Staying alive though the city is dead
Hiding their shame behind hollow laughter
While you are crying alone on your bed

Pity Cassandra that no one believed you
But then again you were lost from the start
Now we must suffer and sell our secrets
Bargain, playing smart, aching in our hearts

Sorry Cassandra I misunderstood
Now the last day is dawning
Some of us wanted but none of us would
Listen to words of warning
But on the darkest of nights
Nobody knew how to fight
And we were caught in our sleep
Sorry Cassandra I didn’t believe
You really had the power
I only saw it as dreams you would weave
Until the final hour

Cassandra — ABBA

I Don't Wanna Be a Loser

I Don’t Wanna Be a Loser — Lesley Gore

We are starting to see an interesting phenomenon in the housing market: knife-catchers changing their minds. The first one I noticed was in Quail Hill back in October. It was purchased by a flipper who put a large sum as a downpayment but then tried to sell quickly at a breakeven price. The only reasonable explanation is that it was purchased as a flip, and the owners changed their minds.

Changing your mind on a stock purchase is relatively easy. Stocks are very liquid, and transaction costs are very low. However, changing your mind about a real estate transaction is not so easy. Real estate is very illiquid in a declining market, and the transaction costs are very high. If you quickly change your mind about real estate, you will lose money. Of course, it is common to price it just above your purchase price and hope someone just a little more foolish than yourself comes along to bail you out. In a declining market, the greater fool is harder to find.

In the world of large real estate transactions, buyers do an enormous amount of due diligence to completely understand what they are buying and the state of the market they are buying it in. It is not uncommon for buyers to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on property research and still walk away from the transaction. This is prudent because wealthy real estate investors know how illiquid these investments are, and they know how costly it is to change their minds later. Small-time residential real estate speculators know none of this. For many, the extent of their due diligence is walking the property with a salesman. Some will get the necessary inspections to accurately determine the status of the property, but many will not. Most amateur speculators simply don’t care: real estate always goes up you know.

The comedy of errors is amusing to us, but it must be very troublesome to the speculators who lose tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars of their own money. Many of the knife catchers who have been speculating have invested large downpayments, mostly because the banks wisely forced them to. The bagholders for the next leg down in the markets will be the knife catchers, and the money lost will be their own.

Today’s featured property is one such knife catcher who appears to be changing his mind on the viability of this investment. Is it too late?

21 Meadowsweet Way Front 21 Meadowsweet Way Kitchen

Asking Price: $799,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $199,750

Downpayment Needed: $159,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $6,658

Purchase Price: $770,000

Purchase Date: 1/28/2008

Address: 21 Meadowsweet Way, Irvine, CA 92612

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,670
$/Sq. Ft.: $299
Lot Size: 3,200

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Other
Year Built: 1967
Stories: 2
View: Mountain, Park or Green Belt
Area: University Park
County: Orange
MLS#: S555235
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 21 days

Unique location with living room, dining room & master bedroom, all
viewing and/or accessible to a huge greenbelt at the rear of the home,
creating an awesome extension of visual and physical space. Enjoy
sunsets from the private rear patio deck and winter snow-capped views
of Mount Baldy from the master bedroom. Newer interior and exterior
paint.Double paned windows with Low E rating. Newer installed carpet.
Newer wood flooring at entry area. Dacor oven and microwave. Bosch
dishwasher. Granite countertops in kitchen and Corian countertops in
master and secondary bathrooms. Generous wardrobe and storage areas.
Close to schools, library, churches/synagogue, convenience shopping and
recreational amenities. Low property taxes with no Mello-Roos. Attend
University H.S. Live in the quiet Village 2 section of the Master
Planned City of Irvine…..where, over-time, real estate values are
maintained.

Live in the quiet Village 2 section of the Master
Planned City of Irvine…..where, over-time, real estate values are
maintained. ROFLMAO!!! I had to profile this property because I couldn’t stop laughing when I read that description…

This is a nice location. You can walk to a great pool less than 100 yards away, although the sand volleyball court in the back would be annoying if it were ever used.

This property was purchased on 1/28/2008 for $770,000. The owner used a $417,000 first mortgage (conforming limit), and a $353,000 downpayment. The only question now is “How much is this owner going to lose?”

If this property sells for its asking price, and if the owner did not put a lot of money into renovations (it looks updated), they stand to lose $18,940 after a 6% commission. Of course, that is assuming they get this asking price which doesn’t seem very likely. I suspect these sellers will lapse back into denial and wait out the recession. Prices will rebound in 2010, right?

What is it worth?

21 Meadowsweet Way Value

Based on my calculations, this would cost someone $4,361 per month to own. I would estimate it might rent for $3,000, although it might only fetch $2,800. Based on that rent, it is worth less than $500,000. In short, I think this property has a long way to fall.

{book}

I don’t wanna be a loser
I don’t wanna have a broken heart
Oh I don’t wanna be a loser
I don’t want another girl to tear us apart

Tell me, what can I do to keep from losin’ you
‘Cause I could never live without your love

I don’t wanna be, no I don’t wanna be a loser
I don’t wanna hear you say goodbye
Oh I don’t wanna be a loser
End up with a million tears that I’ll have to cry

Oh I’ll fight with all my might, kiss you & hold you tight
Until you say I’m right; I don’t wanna be a loser in love

I Don’t Wanna Be a Loser — Lesley Gore

A Reasonable 3/2 in Irvine?

Hard Candy Christmas — Dolly Parton

Everyone seems to be worries that prices will never fall to affordable levels, despite the fact we are witnessing unprecedented price declines everywhere. Those of you desirous of a high-end Irvine property have not seen the price drops you would like to see, so you conclude they will never get there. If you widen your view a bit, you see properties declining in value all around us and even within Irvine at the low end.

If you are watching the high-end market, these will be the last to fall because this is where knife catchers are most active. The high-end watchers of the IHB are a microcosm of the market. Even among this group, there are people willing to jump in at different price points. Each person capable of buying has a different degree of kool aid intoxication. Each potential buyer has a different tolerance for fear of being priced out — which is still the primary motivator of knife catchers. If you only make lowball offers, you may never get filled, and you will never own. This reality gets amplified into the fear of being priced out, and through this fear, people raise their bids.

Pause for a moment… Reflect on the emotions you felt when you read, “If you only make lowball offers, you may never get filled, and you will never own.” Did you feel the fear? How strong is it? Will you act on this fear? If you are introspective enough to have these emotional awarenesses, you can gauge your own level of kool aid intoxication. We are all different, and the most fearful are the most likely to become knife catchers.

Personally, I rely on my analytical skills to keep my emotional responses under control. I have faith that market pricing will fall to levels consistent with rental parity. It is a faith backed up by market data pertaining to previous market bubbles. I also recognize that even if prices do not reach rental parity, and if I never own, I will be better off financially by renting. It is a win-win. Intellectually, I recognize this truth. Emotionally, I have to let go and trust my intellect. It isn’t always easy.

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For those who have been waiting for prices to reach rental parity, there are still signs the market is heading that direction. Before we get “there,” we need to identify what “there” is. In a stable real estate market, rental parity is a general guide, but not all market segments stabilize at rental parity. The low end, composed of undesirable condos and other properties where owner-occupants are rare often trade at prices below rental parity. The less desirable it is, the closer it trades to investor cashflow levels (GRMs from 100-120). The median type property that owner occupants desire trade near rental parity. This is particularly true for “starter homes,” those nicer condos and small 3/2s. The above median properties often stabilize just above rental parity (+10%.) This happens for a number of reasons: 1. The longer ownership period of these homes justifies a higher investment premium. 2. The limited supply makes them scarce. 3. Rents are more variable at the high end as most people who can afford the higher rents generally own instead.

In the market bubble of the late 80s, the low end of the market got bid up to rental parity, and the high end was pushed well above. When prices crashed in the early 90s, the high end crashed first, then the low end got hammered. With the low end already at rental parity and within levels of affordability, it made sense for the high end to crash first. Once the more desirable properties were at rental parity, there was an exodus from the low end that caused prices there to plummet. I mention this because I believe this is how the next stages of the drop will play out.

Since the Great Housing Bubble saw an unprecedented degree of price inflation, both the low end and the high end prices became elevated far above rental parity. As the low end comes down to rental parity, it is starting to find some support. At this point, we are looking much like the market in 1991 — the low end is nearing rental parity, and the high end is still grossly overpriced. If history repeats itself, the low end may stabilize temporarily near rental parity while the high end declines. Once the high end drops to rental parity, the low end will take another drop down to investor cashflow levels. Is it going to happen that way? Who knows, but that is my best guess.

Today’s featured property is a 3/2 that appears to be at rental parity here in Irvine.

Asking Price: $360,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $90,000

Downpayment Needed: $72,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $3,000

Purchase Price: $550,000

Purchase Date: 8/2/2005

Address: 416 Monroe #166, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,368
$/Sq. Ft.: $263
Lot Size:
Property Type: Attached, Condominium
Year Built: 1986
Stories: 2
County: Orange
MLS#: H08171801
Source: MRMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 3 days

THIS IS A SHORT SALE. NICE 3 BEDROOMS AND 2.5 BATHROOMS CONDO IN IRVINE AREA. VERY CONVENIENT LOCATION.

It doesn’t look like the realtor is expecting a big payday here…

This property was purchased on 8/2/2005 for $550,000. The owner used a $440,000 first mortgage, a $55,000 HELOC, and a $55,000 downpayment. Not to worry, he opened a new HELOC for $110,000 on 9/20/2005 and removed his downpayment. The owner isn’t losing anything here…

If this property sells for its asking price, the various lenders stand to lose $211,600 after a 6% commission.

This property is being offered for 35% off its 2005 purchase price.

What is it worth?

I have looked at this property from a conventional financing perspective and from the more realistic perspective of an FHA buyer. In either case, I believe this property is near rental parity.

416 Monroe big down

  • With the lower interest rates, I used an assumption of 6% rather than 6.5% I have been using previously. Perhaps some can find a better rate, and for some it will be worse.
  • I do not believe there are Mello Roos for this property.
  • Since this is a condo, I put only a 1/2% maintenance and replacement reserves. If the condo association is well managed, there should be no special assessments, and with the entire exterior being the responsibility of the association, maintenance should be minimal.
  • A buyer making $90,000 is not going to see a huge tax benefit. The marginal tax rate is only 25%, and with the loss of the personal exemption, the effective tax savings rate is closer to 15%.
  • The lost income from the downpayment should be an after-tax amount, so I have reduced this from 5% to 3%. There are still 5% CDs available (in those banks nearing collapse…)

416 Monroe FHA

  • The picture is very similar for an FHA borrower. They have to pay a higher interest rate because they have to cover the FHA insurance, and since the mortgage is more than 80% of the property value, private mortgage insurance is required. These costs, plus the larger mortgage balance, increase the monthly cost of ownership.

In both scenarios, the total cost of ownership is under $2,400 per month. What do you think this would rent for? I think $2,400 is about right for a 3/2 in Irvine. Of course, that doesn’t mean rents cannot go lower, and during this recession, they probably will. However, this property seems a reasonable price given current rents and the cost of ownership. What do you think?

{book}

Hey, maybe Ill dye my hair
Maybe Ill move somewhere
Maybe Ill get a car
Maybe Ill drive so far
Theyll all lose track
Me, Ill bounce right back
Maybe Ill sleep real late
Maybe Ill lose some weight
Maybe Ill clear my junk
Maybe Ill just get drunk on apple wine
Me, Ill be just

Fine and dandy
Lord its like a hard candy christmas
Im barely getting through tomorrow
But still I wont let
Sorrow bring me way down

Ill be fine and dandy
Lord its like a hard candy christmas
Im barely getting through tomorrow
But still I wont let
Sorrow get me way down


Hard Candy Christmas
— Dolly Parton

Open Thread 12-13-2008

There is a new, non-commercial site I want to recommend everyone go check out: Loanzen.com. From the website, “Welcome to Loanzen — the community-driven mortgage information site (100% anonymous and free.) I recently applied for a loan and the broker attempted to tack on all sorts of absurd fees. I had no idea what was fair. So, I created Loanzen: A place where you can share the actual rates and fees you’re getting from lenders. By sharing your deal, you help the community and also get valuable comments back on your individual deal.”

It is exactly what it says. People anonymously submit the terms of loans they have been offered, and other people comment on whether or not it is a good deal. I think it is a fantastic way for people to help each other out. In particular, it should help people from being screwed by unscrupulous brokers pushing them into a bad loan just to make a few extra bucks. The commenters often know where the best deals can be found, and they can point the borrower to a better deal somewhere else. I think this site is a great idea, and I hope it catches on.

Loanzen.com

{book}

Have you noticed there are a large number of homes for sale in Shady Canyon? Why is that?

Of all the new neighborhoods in Irvine, I thought this one would have the least selling pressure, not because it isn’t ridiculously overpriced, but because typically in the over $2,000,000 price range, the buyers really are rich and have the reserves to weather a storm.

In a normal real estate market, new neighborhoods see almost no resale activity for at least 3 years because people buy new in anticipation of living there for many years. There are always people that need to move for unexpected reasons, but for the most part, resale activity should be very low in new neighborhoods. The fact that all of Irvine’s relatively new neighborhoods are showing high turnover speaks to a couple truths:

  1. The owners are all overextended and cannot truly afford their properties.
  2. Many bought with the intention of flipping and never intended to live there long term.

I suppose no amount of buyer/flipper/speculator stupidity during the bubble should really surprise me, but flipping multi-million dollar mansions? That is stupid. First, wouldn’t a very rich individual want to design and decorate their own place? Why would they pay a flipper a premium for something they will probably redo? Second, how many people capable of buying these homes are out there? Even in the gross stupidity of easy credit, there were not many people getting $10,000,000 loans to buy houses, and the number of people with that kind of cash is very limited. Third, how much carry cost does the flipper endure on a property like this? Can you imagine making the debt service payments on a $10,000,000 loan waiting to sell the property?

Anyway, for whatever reason, many properties are for sale in Shady Canyon, and in all likelihood, prices are going to drop there significantly. It is just a matter of time.

26 Grey Owl Inside

Beds: 5
Baths: 9
Sq. Ft.: 13,500
$/Sq. Ft.: $1,407
Lot Size: 1.73

Acres

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Farm House
Year Built: 2008
Stories: 3+
View: Canyon, Hills
Area: Turtle Rock
County: Orange
MLS#: U8004134
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 88 days

Located within the prestigious guard gated community of Shady Canyon,
this spectacular sprawling five bedroom custom estate captures the
serene rolling hillside views of Shady Canyon. The 13,500 sq. ft.
residence features exquisite high-end finishes and reclaimed products
throughout. From the motor court entrance with reclaimed French pavers
to the subterranean wine cellar connecting the residence to the pool
house and home theater, no expense has been spared in this truly
breathtaking estate. The gourmet kitchen provides an ideal central
location for family to gather and offers Carrara marble counters, a
walk-in refrigerator, gourmet appliances, a service kitchen & large
center island with a pop-up television. A beautiful pool, pool house
and home theater provide hours of entertainment and includes an outdoor
kitchen, with barbecue, pizza oven, dishwasher & built-in heaters.
The surrounding vineyard provides two barrels of wine at harvest.