Monthly Archives: May 2007

A Real Housedebtor of OC

Having grown up and lived most of my life in OC I have come to the conclusion that the people here who seem to have money can be broken down to three types of people. The first is the person who actually has money and accumulated wealth. They may be a business owner or they may have a decent paying job. They may not have the most glamorous job but they live within their means and have saved and invested well. They don’t really ever mention money or talk much about material items. They also are the most humble and happiest people I meet. The second is the person with a very well paying job but they live paycheck to paycheck. They always have a newer car, nice high end clothes and the latest gadgets like a plasma TV. They are the one who will have the IPhone before everyone else. I know too many people who lived like this in the RE industry. The third is the person who lives beyond their means. These are the people who you would never know that they are dead broke but appear rich and are best exemplified by Irvinerenter’s post on Cultural Pathology. The third is in the worst situation today if they own a home because they no longer have the appreciation to bail them out. They are the type that always talk about money and material things. They think this will make people like them and they believe that really one day they will be rich. The only problem is they never seem to catch up or the reality is no matter how much they believe in reality it never happens.

Why do I bring this up? Well I am not one to gossip and I really hate to admit that I have watched The Real Housewives of OC but I couldn’t resist the sad facts of a person who lives beyond their means. Most of you like myself will hate to admit that you have watched the show but even if you haven’t you are probably aware of Slade Smiley. He appears to be like the third type where in the show he always talks about being rich. I shouldn’t be so modest because he brags about being rich and the show makes it seem this is what his life revolves around. He rents owns a house in Coto De Caza that has been listed for over 250 days and with only one price reduction. Maybe the reason it is listed is because Slade needs money and the appreciation spigot has been turned off. He bought the place in July of 2005 and less than a month after he bought the place he got a new second pulling out $20k and ten months later he got another new second extracting almost $100k for a total balance on the second of $225k. It would be obvious things are not going so well when the NOD was filed on 4/30/07 and how he owes his pay option lender $15k at the time. Of course if he only made his minimum payment it would be an additional $50k on top of the $1.28mil he borrowed for the first loan. So assuming only the minimum payment was made we have a total possible mortgage debt of $1.57mil. But wait there is more since he hasn’t paid his property taxes there is an additional $20k and of course a family attorney is owed about $12k and filed a lien against the home. Now the total with the commission and fees he is barely breaking even. If all those nice suits, diamond rings, high end cars and other various OC life expenses he has some serious credit card debt on top of all that.

What happened? He was one of the people who started United Title and an assistant vice president with them. It appears they sold to Land America and he should have received a decent amount for the buy out. Plus he has a highly rated show and is producing his girlfriend/fiance Jo’s singing career. Even the LA Times had recent article about how well he was doing.

The lesson is don’t buy Hummers, MBZs, big diamond rings for girls who won’t marry you and a house you can’t afford.

Oh and I almost forgot this house was a past bubble victim when it was bought back by the bank in 1995 at the trustee’s auction for $568k when the unpaid debt was $573k. The bank sold it seven months later for $540k.

Promenade – Catch the Falling Knife in Westpark – UPDATE #1

Originally posted October 13, 2006

Address: 14 Posada, Irvine, CA 92614 (Westpark)
Plan: 2000 sq ft – 4/3
MLS: S446011 DOM: 115
Sale History: 1/6/2006: $865,000
1/29/1998: $345,000
Price Reduced: 07/25/06 — $979,000 to $949,000
Price Reduced: 09/08/06 — $949,000 to $929,000
Price Reduced: 10/03/06 — $929,000 to $899,000
Current Price: $899,000

This Plan D in the Promenade tract in Westpark was purchased by our flipper early this year and then put back on the market 6 months later on 6/20/2006. When the flipper bought the property he probably thought he received a great deal on the purchase. Why? Because the prior seller had originally listed it for $968,800 and our flipper picked it for over $100k less at $865,000. What’s funny is that our flipper thought he could sell it for even more than what the prior seller failed to. He put it back on the market hoping to make over $100,000!

After reducing the price a few times, our flipper has hopefully learned the risks of trying to catch a falling knife! He can only hope that he won’t have to bleed too much money to get out of this. If the house sells for the asking price of $899,000 and we assume 6% in selling costs, our flipper will lose about $20,000.

UPDATE #1 – May 18, 2007

After being on the market for 271 days, 14 Posada was relisted (MLS#S480142) on 3/19/2007 for $899,000.

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On May 3, 2007 the price was reduced to $869,000. After a total of 344 DOM, the price has dropped by $110,000 since it was first listed in June of 2006. It also seems like the house has been vacant the whole time.

If sold at the price of $869,000 and assuming 6% in selling costs, the seller is facing a loss of about $48,000.

Rutherford – Another Northpark Casualty – UPDATE #1

Originally posted October 3, 2006

Address: 9 Stonegate, Irvine, CA 92602 (Northpark)
Plan: Plan 1 – 1980 sq ft – 3/2.5
MLS: S457264 DOM: 28
Sale History: 7/22/2005: $954,000
Current Price: $969,900

This SFR built by Shea Homes in the Rutherford tract in Northpark Square looks like a nice, cute starter home. Too bad the pricy Irvine RE market means you have to pony up almost $1 million for a starter home. Question for Northpark experts: What is Bella Rosa? Is it a part of Northpark Square?

The seller purchased this property in July 2005 for $954k. From what I can gather, there were two loans taken out: one for $763,000 and a second for $190,800. Add those up and what do you get?? One FB with a classic 100% financed purchase (okay, okay, they DID put $200 down)! Fast forward one year and it seems the flipper may have to sell because of a possible job relocation (for those with MLS access, see the Private Remarks). If sold at the asking price and taking into consideration 6% in selling costs, they will have to SPEND at least $42,000 to sell this home!

UPDATE #1 – May 18, 2007

Here’s the first of many updates to some of our older posts. After 163 DOM, 9 Stonegate sold for $939,000 on 3/2/2007. Assuming 6% in selling costs gives us a loss of $71,340!

Cambridge Court – A Flip In University Town Center – UPDATE #2

Originally posted October 28, 2006

Address: 17 Georgetown #24, Irvine, CA 92612 (University Town Center)
Plan: 1100 sq ft – 2/2
MLS: S446969 DOM: 124
Sale History: 5/23/2005: $550,000
Current Price: $549,000 (Accepting Backup Offers)

University Town Center is a ‘village’ in Irvine that includes all the condos near the University of California: Irvine (UCI). There are many apartments in this area as well (owned by the Irvine Company of course). The proximity to UCI ensures that there is a large student population here.

I’m sure there are quite a few investors who purchased condos here to be used as rental properties. Those who bought years ago are probably doing real well if they have kept their properties – huge appreciation and positive cash flow make a nice cash cow! 🙂

But since prices for 2 bedroom units like this one are now in the mid 500s, it’s hard to make the numbers work as a rental even though rents are strong. This Plan 1 condo in Cambridge Court was purchased in May 2005 with 20% down for $550k. They put it back on the market a year later. The status in MLS is ‘Backup’ meaning that a sale is pending but the sellers are accepting backup offers. They originally had listed it at $599k and have reduced it $49k since then. If it sells for $549k, they will have lost about $34,000 (after 6% in selling costs).

UPDATE: I just found this blog post by the OC Realty Group that shows how to make the numbers work in University Town Center: http://www.ocrealestateblog.com/blog/_archives/2006/1/30/1718817.html

UPDATE #2 – May 18, 2007

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17 Georgetown sold on 11/21/2006 for $535,000. Assuming 6% in selling costs, the sellers lost about $47,100 or about 42% of their down payment!

The new buyers purchased the place using 100% financing. Who knows.. Maybe this unit will come back on the market.