Is Lennar Really Taking a loss on La Casella???

I visited La Casella again today, at lunch. Gotta feed the obsession every now and then, ya know. I liked the models a lot more than I liked them the first time through, for some reason. Even Residence 1 with the casita – that could be my home gym!

I engaged the sales person in questions and she was very friendly and attentive. I was quite surprised by much of what she said, though. So surprised, in fact, that I expected my BS meter to be ringing in alarm. It was not, however. Was she just that good at smooth-talking? Or have I lost my ability to smell BS? Or could what she told me have possibly been, in fact, true????

1. Lennar has “paid the bank” for every La Casella unit sold thus far. In other words, they have sold every unit at a loss after taking into account the cost of land and construction costs.

2. During their most recent phase release, every single unit (8) sold out in one day.

3. Lennar has only purchased less than half of the land shown in their plans for final build-out at La Casella. The sales person said it was very likely the remaining units would not be built (by Lennar, anyway. She said Lennar would sell the plans and models to some other company who would take over the development). She said that they are in a “pissing contest” with TIC over final sales cost of the land, and TIC is not willing to come down enough to make it worthwhile for Lennar.

I asked, if by some chance TIC does reduce land prices, what would happen to the units’ asking prices? She said there was no way the prices would be reduced, as evidenced by the quick sell-out of the most recent phase release. She said Lennar would need to maintain or raise prices just to make up for all the losses incurred so far.

I then probed about who exactly has been buying these units. She said many single people have been buying them, with average incomes of 175k to 200k. She also told me that I needed to “change my lens” with respect to monthly carrying costs, and that if I wanted to own in Irvine, or anywhere in SoCal, then I needed to accept the fact that I would be paying 60-75% of my take-home pay on mortgage and HOA. I suggested that in fact most people were not using 30 year, fixed-rate mortgages, but she disagreed and said that most of the La Casella buyers had in fact used the standard, fixed mortgages, and were just paying big monthly payments.

So, your thoughts? Anyone care to comment? Clearly, La Casella is slightly less expensive than other options in Woodbury. But still. Sold out in one day? A loss on every unit? Mostly 30 year fixed mortgages? What is up with this story???

Park Paseo – An older Northwood flip

Address: 21 Eden, Irvine, CA 92620 (Northwood)

Plan: 1915 sq ft – 3/2.5

MLS: S473170 DOM: 6

Sale History: 12/28/2005: $755,000

4/30/1999: $322,500

Current Price: $759,000

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Here we’ve got a Plan C SFR in the Park Paseo tract (builder?) in Northwood. Our seller purchased this home about a year ago (with 20%/151k down it seems) and is now relocating to Austin, TX. It’s refreshing to see they aren’t asking a ton more than what they bought it for. At a sales prices of $759k, they are facing a loss of about $41,000! Continue reading

Greystone Villas – #2 for this tract in Northwood

Address: 301 Rathbourne, Irvine, CA 92620 (Northwood)

Plan: 1481 sq ft – 3/2.5

MLS: S470313 DOM: 26

Sale History: 5/25/2005: $625,000

5/17/2001: $310,000

6/30/1998: $190,500

Price Reduced: 01/16/07 — $684,900 to $649,900

Current Price: $649,000

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This is the second flip that we’ve reported on in the Greystone Villas tract in Northwood. Built by Greystone Homes (now Lennar?), this home originally sold for $190,500 back in 1998. Our seller bought it for more than 3 times that price in May 2005 and it looks like they put $225,000 down. Continue reading

Brentwood – Northpark Back to Back – UPDATE #1

Originally posted October 5, 2006

Address: 27 Maywood, Irvine, CA 92602 (Northpark)
Plan: 3250 sq ft – 5/3
MLS: P513737 DOM: 139
Sale History: 4/22/2005: $1,250,000
3/19/2001: $578,500
Price Reduced: 06/25/06 — $1,359,900 to $1,329,000
Price Reduced: 08/05/06 — $1,329,000 to $1,299,900
Current Price: $1,299,000

Here’s a Plan 2 in the Brentwood tract built by Warmington Homes in 2001. The flipper bought it in April 2005 and listed it in May 2006 hoping to make around $100,000. It looks like the flipper has loans totaling $1,200,000 on his $1,250,000 purchase! If sold at the current asking price and factoring in 6% in selling costs, he is facing a loss of about $29,000. I just noticed the property is listed as vacant so once you account for carrying costs, the pain is even greater!

UPDATE #1 – January 30, 2007

First of all, I want to mention that this flip was first uncovered by OC Fliptrack. I can’t believe I didn’t realize that when I featured this flip here in October (especially given that I commented on the original thread at OC Fliptrack!). All I can say is that I apologize and that it wasn’t done intentionally. Are we still cool OC Fliptrack?

Now to the update. This home finally closed escrow on January 25, 2007 (241 DOM) at a price of $1,175,000. Assuming 6% in selling costs, the seller probably lost around $145,000! And that does NOT include the carrying costs for having a vacant $1.25mil place for 8 months.

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