Irvine's Quail Hill

Quail Hill SignThe Quail Hill neighborhood of Irvine is located south of the 405 between Sand Canyon Avenue and Highway 133. South of Quail Hill is a nature preserve and the exclusive Shady Canyon. The primary access is from Sand Canyon and through a unique roundabout. The community increases in elevation from the entry point at Sand Canyon and the 405 to the southernmost portion of the site. The hill gets steeper as you go south, and many of the larger homes on top of the hill have spectacular views of Orange County.

Quail Hill Map

Nearest the entry to the community is the main commercial center gathering place. This is another suburban plaza that functions to provide a sense of place for the community. It is the “third place” for those living in Quail Hill and Shady Canyon.

Quail Hill Center 1

The designers used a combination of trellis work and glass enclosures to define the space and provide noise and wind buffering from the parking lot.

Quail Hill Center 2

An attractive water feature serves as a focal point for the center, and the falling water serves to mask the noise of cars moving in the parking area.

Quail Hill House 1

The homes in Quail hill are attractive and varied, although some of the neighborhoods are a bit too dense, in my opinion.

Quail Hill House 2

The front yards are typically elaborate landscaping rather than grass.

Quail Hill School

Alderwood Basics Plus School is a California Distinguished School typical of the high quality schools in the Irvine Unified School District.

Quail Hill View

The view from of the parks and houses is wonderful; however, the north exposure in Irvine means you don’t get sunsets over the ocean, but you get city lights and distant vistas. Nice place for a picnic, wouldn’t you say?

Quail Hill Park 1

The parks have gathering places for people of all ages.

Quail Hill Pool

The pools are all of the highest quality, and many offer panoramic views from your lounge chair.

Quail Hill Park 2

The children’s tot lots are some of the best in Irvine. They play areas are well landscaped and the groundcover is either sand or a soft rubberized compound which minimizes potential for injury.

Quail Hill Park 3

There are associated gathering areas for adults to have a small group of friends congregate around a fire.

Quail Hill Park 4

Did I mention the view? In case you wanted to enjoy the view while your children played below…

Irvine’s Quail Hill: a great place to live.

Knife Catcher Award

I am introducing an new honor at the Irvine Housing Blog: the Knife Catcher Award. This dubious distinction goes out to all the knife-catchers stupid enough to attempt to flip a property in this declining market.

As you can see the knife-catcher is poised to eviscerate any greedy flipper with a death by a thousand cuts: a slow bleed of monthly cashflow and depreciation. To be eligible for the knife catcher award, the property must be put for sale within 6 months of purchase, and it must look like it has little or no chance of success (admittedly, the last hurdle is not very high).

One would think properties put for sale immediately after purchase would be difficult to find. Some may be bank repossessions, but some are simply delusional kool-aid drinkin’ fools who really believe this “softness” in the market is temporary and they are betting on the speedy return of double-digit appreciation. There is a special measure of schadenfreude for these fools worthy of unique honor on this blog. So without further delay, our first knife catcher award goes to…

Hayward FrontHayward Kitchen

IrvineRenterAsking Price: $567,900

Purchase Price: $505,750

Purchase Date: 2/13/2007

Address: 162 Hayward, Irvine, CA 92602

Beds: 2

Baths: 2Knife Catcher Award

Sq. Ft.*: 1,550

Year Built: 2002

Stories: 2

Type: Condominium

Neighborhood: Northpark

$/Sq. Ft.*: $366

MLS: P570133

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 20 days

From Redfin: “Beautiful townhome in Northpark with cathedral ceilings. Turn key condition with fireplace in living room. Balcony and windows provide great view of area. Large kitchen. Separate laundry room. Huge two car garage with direct access. Separate formal dining room next to kitchen. Private large master bedroom. Lots of storage throughout. Floor plan is excellent. All the rooms are large. Northpark has many amenities for all ages. Quick access to freeways and shopping.”

This flipper couldn’t even be bothered to replace the tile counters with granite. The unit appears to be empty, so the bleeding has already begun. I have to wonder if this isn’t a realtor or a bank. If this seller pays a full 6% commission, they only stand to make about $28,000. IMO, it doesn’t seem worth the risk. However, if it is an agent paying only half a commission, this could net them $50,000 in just a few months making it at least worth dreaming about.

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Today’s knife catcher award is a double feature as a neighboring property is also a 2007 flip…

Lockford FrontLockford Kitchen

IrvineRenterAsking Price: $590,000

Purchase Price: $545,000

Purchase Date: 1/31/2007

Address: 259 Lockford, Irvine, CA 92602

Beds: 2

Baths: 2Knife Catcher Award

Sq. Ft.*: 1,496

Year Built: 2002

Stories: 3

Type: Condominium

View: Mountain

Neighborhood: Northpark

$/Sq. Ft.*: $394

MLS: U7001632

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 7 days

From Redfin, “Auburn at Northpark community. Great end unit location directly across from the pool and park. Dramatic 20 ft. ceilings, and decorator touches. Upgraded sile stone counters in kitchen which is open to a great room, great condition, ceiling fans, windows in 2 car tandem garage. Office area outside master bedroom. Home shows well and has easy access for viewing. Washer, Dryer and Refrigerator included. Wonderful gated community with basketball courts, parks and nature trails. For lease also @$2500”

Another treasure trove of interesting information. My first observation is the price to rent ratio of 218 — assuming this floplord could actually get $2,500 a month. I doubt they will get that much rent as there are many better properties in better neighborhoods for less. My guess is a rent ratio of 250 leaving a $2,180 rent is more realistic. Since this flipper has fantasies, let ’em dream. Also, because it is being offered for lease, this isn’t a bank REO.

Another item I found interesting was the photographs. Notice the 2006/10/31 date? It is possible the buyer took these photos and later used them in the MLS listing, but is is also possible these photos came from the previous listing and the same realtor is involved in both transactions. These photos were taken 3 months before the closing, so it was either a very patient buyer, or these were realtor photos.

Knife Catcher AwardSo there you have our first knife catcher award. In the future, you will know these special flips by the knife catcher image next to the property breakdown as it was displayed above. If anyone notices when these sell or rent, please email me at irvinerenter@irvinehousingblog.com and I will be sure to update everyone on the carnage.

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BTW, Redfin updated its look last night. Check it out.

A brief introduction

Hello fellow irvinehousing blog readers. First I’d like to thank zovall and irvinerenter for inviting me to join them and irvinesinglemom as a contributor to the blog. Have no fear readers the failed flips will not go away and if anything we may have more. I decided to join them because I was not adding new posts to my blog ocecon101 which led to little traffic and even less motivation on my part to add new topics. Zovall thought that having me post here would get better traffic without the pressure on me to keep adding new posts. The idea is to add more content without taking anything away from the original purpose of the blog. Most come here searching for more information on the Irvine housing market and my goal is to add interesting and relevant content for those in search of more information.

For my first post I will give you a little background on myself, why I am a housing bear and what subjects I will be writing about. As some of the readers of the forums here know that I was in the mortgage business and for the majority of my time in the business it was for a lender for one of the larger homebuilders. I decided to leave the business for various reasons but it was on my own terms. I really did enjoy working there and gained a tremendous amount of knowledge from it. I am very thankful for all of great people I met there and remain friends with many of them today. I may in the future post topics on some of the reasons why I left if the curiosity is there.

Even though I am a homeowner I am a housing bear. The appreciation simply does make sense as there is no way I could afford my home that I bought in 2002 today. My income has increased more than inflation but housing prices have soared way beyond my income and many others in OC. I am also an investment property owner and I would like to buy more but I have this unique requirement called positive cash flow. Since 2004 it has been almost impossible to find and 2-4 unit investment property any where in OC with positive cash flow. Depreciation is supposed to offset your income from the property not your regular income.

I am a born and raised OC native who remembers the last crash in the 90s and I will be posting topics on the similarities that we are seeing today. My first topic on my blog has the headlines from the OC Register on housing from 1987 through 1993 and it really is not all that different than this time. I also will be posting about the economy and how it relates to housing. It may not be specifically Irvine but Irvine will be affected from these factors too.

Coming soon will be a post on a deeper look into the jobs in OC and what history can tell us.

Broken Dreams

Tangelo Inside

Asking Price: $280,000

Purchase Price: $265,000

Purchase Date: 10/8/2004

Address: 302 Tangelo, Irvine, CA 92618

Beds: 1

Baths: 1

Sq. Ft.*: 662

Year Built: 1978

Stories: 1

Type: Condominium

View: Lake

Neighborhood: Orangetree

$/Sq. Ft.*: $423

MLS: P564627

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 40 days

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. The following is pure speculation based on the picture above…

Toward the end of 2004 a young family wanted to get in on the hot housing market and perhaps make some money to trade up to a larger home. They found what they could afford: a 662 SF condo in Orangetree. The family has been living in these cramped quarters for two and a half years sacrificing the much larger space they could have rented in order to build equity in a home (sounds better than flipping, doesn’t it?) After all the sacrifice, they missed the peak of the housing bubble, and they need to sell now for full asking price just to get out at breakeven. It probably won’t happen.

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Do we feel sorry for these people? Didn’t they do what you are supposed to do in Southern California? Is this the profile of a greedy flipper? Where did they go wrong?

What happens if they can’t sell now and end up the bagholder? How would you like to be trapped in a 662 SF condo and be $150,000 underwater for 5 or 10 years? Do you walk away and declare bankruptcy?

Just one example of the death of the California Dream…

Broken Dreams

I walk a lonely road

The only one that I have ever known

Don’t know where it goes

But it’s home to me and I walk alone

I walk this empty street

On the Boulevard of Broken Dreams

Where the city sleeps

and I’m the only one and I walk alone

Green Day — “Boulevard Of Broken Dreams”