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Siene Kitchen

Asking Price: $899,000

Purchase Price: $897,000

Purchase Date: 7/5/2006

Address: 15361 Siene Circle, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 5IrvineRenter

Baths: 3

Sq. Ft.: 2,982

Lot Sq. Ft.: 7,995

Year Built: 1969

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family Residence

View: Park or Green Belt

Neighborhood: El Camino Real

$/Sq. Ft.: $301

MLS#: S484070

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 11 days

Redfin, Zillow

From Redfin, “Almost 8000 square feet lot in the center of Irvine. Prized end of cul -de-sac location backs up to greenbelt-lots of privacy!Park-like yard that includes a large patio with fire pit. Family room with fireplace, . No mello-roos, no HOA. Surroounded by greenbelt, park, & tennis courts. With nearby college & golf course. Newly remodeled with granite counter tops, new light fixtures, new carpet, travertine, and hardwood floor. New paint, sinks & faucets, new vinyle windows, scraped texture ceiling.”

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El Camino Real is one of the most “tractlike” neighborhoods in Irvine. There is a lack of parks, play areas and pools. It is probably the best value on a dollars-per-square-foot basis as there is little else to bring people to the neighborhood. As the description mentions, there are a few beltway greenspaces where they preserved the old windrows from the agricultural operation. Those neighborhood criticisms aside, this property is nice and updated albeit a bit old.

Siene River

Eiffel Tower at Sunset – Seine River, Paris

This property appears to be owned by a local realtor; either that or the owner coincidentally has the same name. This property is shown as one of her “featured listings” for $949,000. The property is empty, so it appears to be a flip that is bleeding cash. The seller has a first mortgage for $717,600 and a second for $89,700 through Countrywide. With a combined debt of $807,300 (and likely a 3% commission), the seller has some room to negotiate how much she is going to lose before this becomes a short sale. It doesn’t look like this flip will be financing any trips to Paris. Seine Circle is as close to the Siene as this seller will get.

Siene Painting

The Siene at Courbevoie – 1885, Georges Pierre Seurat

Glen Garden Homes in Turtle Rock

Address: 25 Rainbow Falls, Irvine, CA 92603 (Turtle Rock)

Plan: 1572 sq ft – 3/2

MLS: S472630 DOM: 101

Sale History: 5/20/2005: $725,000

1/8/2003: $490,000

Price Reduced: 03/13/07 — $798,000 to $789,000

Price Reduced: 03/14/07 — $789,000 to $778,000

Price Reduced: 03/22/07 — $778,000 to $760,000

Current Price: $760,000

It looks like this is the first property in the village of Turtle Rock to be featured on our blog. Turtle Rock is the original hilly village of Irvine and in the future, we may do a Community Profile on it. This Plan E in the Glen Garden Homes tract was purchased in May of 2005 and then listed on the market early this year for $798k. After a month and a half, the seller started reducing the price. 3 reductions later brings us to the current asking price of $760,000.

If sold at the current asking price and assuming 6% in selling costs, the owner will lose about $10,000. When this home was listed on 1/22/07, there were about 900 properties for sale in Irvine; now there are close to 1200!

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There is only one other property that I see for sale in this tract:

Here’s the description for 12 Cool Brook: “Want a ‘Hot Deal’? This is it! This is a Turtle Rock estate sale that has been a rental. Seller priced it $120,000 below our competition for a fast sale. Most buyers will want to update paint, carpet, and flooring. The low price and unbeatable location far outweighs the need for TLC. Cul-de-sac location, backing to a greenbelt hillside. Move fast, going going gone.”

And the private remarks for 12 Cool Brook: “Seller will provide a termite clearance, otherwise the home is being sold as-is. Seller has not lived in the property and acquired the property by inheritance.”

Sure enough, it was priced well and the status in MLS is now ‘Accepting Backup Offers’. 12 Cool Brook has been on the market for 15 days (compare that to the 101 DOM for 25 Rainbow Falls).

As some of you may know, I’m a big fan of the Turtle Rock area. Did anyone have a chance to check out 12 Cool Brook? Once this property closes escrow, I imagine it’ll be harder for 25 Rainbow Falls to sell at the $760k price.

Protestors trouble Liarnar Homes

Saturday I received a phone call from a friend that went like this: “Hey do you know why there are people protesting Liarnar at Riverbend? They have a big ole sign that says buyer beware of Liarnar Homes.” I said, “Probably because they build crappy homes.” Now I wasn’t sure that was going to be the case because it is a much better story when it’s the FBer’s protesting the price reductions. Like a good blogger I decided to go check it out for myself and here is what I found.

Sure enough the protestors were local 2361 carpenter union members letting people know that Liarnar builds crappy homes. Unfortunately the gentleman in the picture wouldn’t say much but he did give me the flyer below and the business card for an attorney. He said the attorney would be more than willing to give me more information. I called the attorney late yesterday and I will try again today to get some more info. I know it is not Irvine but he did say that there are others protesting at Liarnar projects. If anyone else has seen something like this in or around Irvine please let us know.

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Now I am not sure how many people read Mish’s blog but he has been following Mike Morgan’s fight against Liarnar in Florida for their faulty construction. Mike Morgan is in so deep that Liarnar is even suing him over his website. If you have not read some of the stories on his site and Mish’s I highly recommend that you do. Some of the stories are so disgusting that you may never look at Liarnar the same again. As you can tell from the flyer it sites an OC Register article that can be found here. As with most in the MSM the Register has not done any follow up. I checked www.occourts.org and searched for Liarnar but nothing came up. It will be interesting to see how Liarnar handles these types of things because they have a majority of the units in the pipeline for OC. They have a big pipeline in Irvine with the Great Park project of 9500 homes and 1400 homes at Central Park West. Of course Liarnar touts its commitment to quality.

For the record I have nothing against Liarnar nor are they the homebuilder that I used to work for. I just do not know of any other major homebuilder who receives as much negative news about faulty construction as Liarnar.

Whiner, Whiner, Whiner

Lakeview 2 Kitchen

Selling Price: $1,050,000

Selling Date: 4/18/2007

Purchase Price: $1,188,000

Purchase Date: 1/25/2006

Address: 25 Lakeview, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 4IrvineRenter

Baths: 3

Sq. Ft.: 2,500

Year Built: 1977

Stories: 2

Type: Condominium

View: Lake Front, Lake, Mountain, Panoramic

Neighborhood: Woodbridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $420

MLS#: S475949

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 71 days

Lakeview 2 View

Premiere property in the heart of Irvine: This flip should have been a no-brainer…

Perhaps you saw the following letter written by a local realtor published in the OC Register [italicized comments in brackets are mine]:

Late breaking letters: Media experts and the ‘coming’ real estate market crash

Posted, Wednesday afternoon, April 11

It was with great disappointment that I read the latest Jonathan Lansner diatribe on how the sky is falling as it pertains to the Orange County real estate market [“WhinerBoth Lansner and Schiff, as well as UCLA and Chapman College representatives have all been predicting the bursting of the real estate “bubble” year after year. They have all been consistently wrong and have probably cost the would-be homeowners, who held off due to these dire and inaccurate predictions, untold thousands of dollars in returns on a sensible real estate investment [so sensible the writer lost his a$$], and the subsequent appreciation (not to mention the significant tax deductions.)

For those foolish enough to listen to them, and who held off purchasing a home, it may be too late. Many will probably never be able to afford a home in Orange County [priced out forever, LOL] now thanks to the doom and gloomers. Particularly offensive was Schiff’s advice: “When everyone in real estate is waiting tables (or in jail) [ROFLOL] and your neighbors think you are crazy for even considering real estate, then it will be time to buy. [Peter Schiff is my new hero]” I have spent much of my life in Southern California real estate. I do my best to provide accurate advice and handle my clients with professionalism and courtesy. Schiff’s broad-brush stereotyping of thousands of hard-working real estate professionals reflects much more on his reputation than ours [Realtors are considered by the general public to be on a par with used car salesmen]. I still consider O.C. real estate an outstanding long-term investment [liar], and history unerringly proves me correct [except in the 90’s when it didn’t].

CrybabyThe primary cause of the recent (and temporary) slow down in this market, in my opinion, is due to the piling on of media and pundits that must feed the fears of their readers on a daily basis in order to stay in business [I feel so powerful. I and a few other bloggers ruined the market. LOL]. Schiff’s prediction of a 50 percent decrease in O.C. home values is beyond ridiculous [he is probably right on]. Despite what Schiff and other fear mongers predict, the law of supply and demand hasn’t stopped working and the whole world still wants to live in Orange County [The whole world wants to live here, LOL. This guy should do stand-up comedy. He managed to make every ridiculous kool-aid-drinkin’ bullish statement in one writing. Great stuff.].

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Boo Hoo, somebody call the whambulance; perhaps our crybaby realtor friend wants some cheese with that whine. When you read a diarrhetic thought stream like that you can’t help wondering if there is more to the story. There is.

Whambulance(Chuck Ponzi at Southern California Real Estate Bubble Crash wrote a great post concerning this letter.)

This letter to the editor was published one week before our realtor / failed flipper lost $138,000 plus commissions on the property above. He bought a great property in a great neighborhood (waterfront in Woodbridge) and still lost a bundle. Does it make you question the sincerity of his feeble assessment of the “recent (and temporary) slow down in this market?” If it was only temporary why is he dumping this property at a $138,000 loss? Did he write the letter above to generate business while his real opinion about the market shows in his actions? Do his actions speak louder than his words?

Besides being a whiner, what would you call him (I’ll give you a hint)?

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Ain’t that what you said?

Ain’t that what you said?

Ain’t that what you said?

Liar, Liar, Liar

Liar, Three Dog Night – 1971

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Appreciation is Dead

Appreciation is Dead. It is not merely delayed for a temporary housing price crash only to resume its historic 7+% rate. Appreciation is dead. We will never see high rates of house price appreciation again in California. Sacrilege! Yes, but there are reasons to believe this may be true.

In October of 2000, I attended a conference put on by TradingMarkets.com. The NASDAQ had experienced the spring collapse and summer bear rally. The huge fall sell-off (which was the first of many sell-offs before the bottom was reached in the spring of 2003) was just beginning. One of the speakers at this conference was a very successful hedge fund manager named Mark Boucher. Everyone gathered at the conference had just been through the wildest bull market in history. All were convinced that the market was going to come roaring back. We just needed to get past this painful correction. Does any of this sound familiar?

When Mark Boucher spoke he dropped a bomb on the audience — 20% annual gains in the stock market were not going to be seen again in the next 20 years and perhaps in lifetimes of those assembled… Silence… A pregnant pause… One of the most successful money managers on the planet just spoken the unspeakable; the audience had to think the unthinkable. Heresy! Blasphemy! Was this possible? For a few brief moments the audience was exposed to the naked truth; the veneer of denial was stripped from them. It was a paradigm shift with seismic repercussions. Those who heeded his words made wise investment decisions and survived the bear market. Those who failed to listen bought the bear rallies and were destroyed. Seven years after the peak, the NASDAQ is still down 50%, and none of the last seven years favorably compares to the seven that preceded it. Mark Boucher was right.

I am not as smart as Mark Boucher, and I am not a preeminent real estate investor (I didn’t buy the bubble rally.) My words do not carry the same weight. However, consider what I write here, and you may save yourself a lot of money and avoid a lot of stress as the bubble deflates and the post-bubble market emerges.

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Have you ever wondered why California’s housing market bubbles so frequently and other markets do not? It stems from a combination of two factors: limited supply and high wage growth (and, of course, Southern California’s Cultural Pathology).

Supply is not limited in the way most people think. We are not running out of land. Supply is limited because the process for obtaining supply is cumbersome — which is good for me because that is my job. In other areas of the country, when supplies of housing are low and prices begin to rise, a large amount of supply is brought to market quickly to meet this demand. In California, this is not the case. The entitlement process as outlined in CEQA is both lengthy and costly; therefore, when supply runs low, new supply is slow to the market, and prices rally higher than they would in other areas of the country. The point is that supply shortages are a temporary phenomenon not the permanent result of “running out of land.” Have you noticed that during the crash there is excess inventory on the market, and the builders have overbuilt? This is why.

The fundamental value driving up home prices is the growth in wages — at least indirectly. Wage growth drives rental rates higher, and it is rental rates which determine the fundamental value of housing; therefore, wage growth determines the rate at which housing will increase in value. Irvine has experienced wage growth exceeding other areas of the country. This is why pay scales are currently double the national average. However, this trend cannot continue forever.

Factor Price Equalization

When the cost of a good or service rises, people seek out lower cost alternatives. When the same product is available in a different market, buyers will purchase in the lower cost market until prices equalize. This is most notable in labor markets. After NAFTA was signed, wages for unskilled labor declined in the United States and rose in Mexico. Of greater importance to the higher skilled labor of Irvine is the problem we know as “outsourcing.”

Outsourcing

Outsourcing is happening all around us. I have a relative who works in customer support for a major computer maker. They are working to outsource most of his department to Banglore, India. Nissan has relocated its North American headquarters from Southern California to Tennessee. These are examples of high-paying, high-skill jobs leaving our area. This is happening for two reasons: one, they can pay less in other markets, and two, they can’t get employees to move to Southern California because the cost of living is too high. The second problem will lessen as house prices crash, but the first problem is not going away. We are paid too much in Irvine, and businesses are moving where skilled labor can be found less expensively; therefore, we many not see a continuation of 3% wage growth in Irvine for the future.

Wage Growth vs. House Appreciation

House appreciation cannot exceed wage growth forever: trees cannot grow to the sky. People have to earn money to buy a home (unless of course we become a nation of the landed gentry in which real estate is only transferred through inheritance.) Over the last 25 years, house appreciation in Orange County has outpaced wage growth. Wage growth has averaged 3.4% while house price appreciation has averaged 6.9%. Notice the bubble years (1986-1989) where house prices outpaced income growth followed buy bust years (1990-1995) where wage growth made modest recoveries. What is in our future?

Growth in Income and House Appreciation 1981-2006

There are only a couple of ways house prices can outpace wage growth: 1. interest rates must decline allowing people to finance larger sums with less money, and 2. debt-to-income ratios must rise as people put higher percentages of their income toward making payments. Both of these phenomenons have been occurring in Orange County over the last 25 years.

Interest Rates

Mortgage interest rates have been on a slow but steady decline since the early 1980’s. Interest rates were at historical highs in the early 80’s to curb inflation, and the decline from these peaks to the 7% to 9% range was to be expected. This initial decline in interest rates coupled with low inflation caused house prices to begin rising again in the late 80’s culminating in the bubble that burst in 1990 leading to 5 consecutive years of declining prices.

Mortgage Interest Rates 1981-2006

During the early 90’s while prices were declining, notice the drop in interest rates from 10.6% in 1989 to 7.2% in 1996. This 30% decline in interest rates made housing more affordable and help limit the declines in the early 90’s. If interest rates had not declined, house prices certainly would have dropped further than they did. Does anyone think interest rates will decline 30% from the 6.3% they are today down to an unprecedented 4.4% to match the debt relief of the early 90’s? The FED is not going to save house prices. In fact, today’s mortgage interest rates are likely not sustainable. The 6.3% today is 20% below the historic 8% average of the last half century due to global capital markets being awash with liquidity from Japan and China among others. With the declining dollar, growing national debt and inflation pressures, it is more likely that interest rates will rise rather than fall.

Debt to Income

Debt to Income Ratio 1981-2006

One of the often overlooked phenomenons of real estate bubbles is the fluctuations in debt-to-income ratios. DTI ratios is an interesting measure of buyer psychology. In market rallies people act with greed and put larger and larger percentages of their income toward purchasing houses because they are appreciating assets. In market busts, people put smaller and smaller percentages of their income toward house purchases because the value is declining.

Some of the bulls speculate that we have reached a permanently high plateau. This is crazy. The only thing justifying a DTI of 62% is the belief in high rates of appreciation. Why would anyone pay double the cost of rental to “own” unless ownership provided a return on that investment? Once it is obvious that prices are not increasing and even begin to decrease, the party is over. Why would you buy under those circumstances, when it is more rational to wait and pay less? Why would you stretch yourself to buy a house when prices are dropping? This is why prices drop until house payments match their rental equivalent value. At the bottom, it makes sense to buy because it is cheaper than renting. When the market debt-to-income ratio falls below 30%, the bottom is near.

Future Appreciation Rates

As you can see from the charts above, interest rates are at all-time lows, and debt-to-income ratios are at an all-time high. Prices are going to fall — make that crash. This post isn’t about the crash, it is about the lack of appreciation in the aftermath. House prices over the last 25 years have appreciated at a rate greater than wage growth because interest rates have been falling and debt-to-income ratios have been rising. Interest rates cannot continue to fall. As they rise in the future to rates nearer their historic norms, house price appreciation will be held in check. It is likely that house prices will appreciate at rates of less than 3% while interest rates rise, and it will only match the 3% rate of wage growth thereafter. It is also possible that Irvine and Orange County may not see 3% wage growth in the future due to factor price equalization and outsourcing. Sustained appreciation rates of 7% will not be seen in the next 25 years — assuming of course we don’t have another bubble.

Buying after the crash

So what implication does all of this have on a future buying decision? Don’t count on appreciation. If you need to factor in appreciation to make the math work on a home purchase, you will buy too early, and you will pay too much.

Then again, you wouldn’t be alone. Pros make this mistake too. Some of you may have heard the story about one of our major homebuilders in Southern California who had to close their San Diego office due to poor performance. The president of the division routinely used high rates of appreciation in his financial models when analyzing properties to purchase. As a result, the San Diego division overpaid for almost all of its projects and lost the company a great deal of money. Usually, when a major company has problems at a division, they rotate staff. The problems here were so severe it was judged more prudent to wipe the division out and start over. Amazing.

When the cost of ownership is equal to the cost of rental it is safe to buy. Even if prices drop further — which they might — you will not be hurt by it. If you are counting on increasing rents or house price appreciation to get you to breakeven sometime later, you will probably get burned. Remember, appreciation is dead. Rest in Peace.

Housing Bubble Tombstone