Turtle Ridge Dreamers

There are so many overpriced properties in Turtle Ridge, it is difficult to establish where the market is and what is beyond a wishing price into the WTF-were-you-thinking price range. I have three candidates for you to consider today.

Sweet Bay Kitchen

IrvineRenterAsking Price: $1,420,000

Purchase Price: $904,500

Purchase Date: 8/30/2004

Address: 52 Sweet Bay, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 4

Baths: 2.5

Sq. Ft.: 2,460

Year Built: 2004

Stories: 2WTF

Type: Single Family Residence

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Turtle Ridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $577

MLS#: S479350

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 95 days

Unsold in 90+ days

From Redfin, “PRICED TO SELL. LISTED BELOW COMPS! Popular Fiore Plan 1 ‘Tuscan Farmhouse’ w/ designer carpet, custom paint, and more. Located on quiet Cul-de-Sac St. w/ south facing Sunny & private back yard patio/grass area. Large Gourmet Kitchen has granite countertops w/ gourmet appliances, Butler’s Pantry & Large Pantry. Dramatic Cathedral ceiling in Entry Foyer & Formal Living Room. Large Master Suite w/ large walk-in Closet. Great School System, Exclusive Guard Gated ‘The Summit’ at Turtle Ridge.”

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This is the first WTF award winner that actually claims to be below comps. We recently documented 2 low-end properties and 2 high-end properties about to sell below their 2004 and 2005 prices, but somehow this 2004 property has appreciated 50% and it is still below comps? Give me a break.

This would be good example of “cherry picking” your comps — if there truly are other comparable properties which establish higher selling prices. Given the other properties we know are on the market for less than purchase price, do you think someone is going to pay this asking price. Is this just a wishing price or is it in another category?

How about this property:

Cezanne Front Cezanne Kitchen

IrvineRenterAsking Price: $1,900,000

Purchase Price: $1,164,500

Purchase Date: 4/9/2004

Address: 50 Cezanne, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 5

Baths: 4.5

Sq. Ft.: 3,660

Lot Sq. Ft.: 9,200

Year Built: 2004

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family ResidenceWTF

View: Hills

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Turtle Ridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $519

MLS#: S469746

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 168 days

Unsold in 90+ days

From Redfin, “Beautiful 3 yr old home in the prestigious Summit, guard gated comm of Turtle Ridge near the lovely Newport Coast. French Country style home features a gated, compound type entry w/ courtyard separating main house & two casitas. Deluxe gourmet kitchen w/ granite counters, SS appliances & lrg center island. Lots of upgrades incl custom paints, marble & hardwood floors. 4 Fireplaces. Huge back yrd. Resort style amenities incl family & adult pools, clubhouse, fitness ctr, tot lot & gorgeous views.”

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Do you think this property appreciated 63% since 2004? at 168 days on the market, I don’t think the market does either…

And now, for our weekly dénouement, I give you (drum roll please…)

Grand Terrace Map

Can you identify the $3,195,000 tract home on this street?

25 Garden Terrace street

I guess they all are…

25 Garden TerraceIrvineRenter

Asking Price: $3,195,000

Purchase Price: $1,539,500

Purchase Date: 5/26/2004

Address: 25 Garden Terrace, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 5

Baths: 3.5

Sq. Ft.: 3,700

Year Built: 2003

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family Residence

View: Catalina Island, City Lights, Coastline, Hills, Ocean, Panoramic, Pool, OtherWTF

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Turtle Ridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $864

MLS#: S492404

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 8 days

From Redfin, “This is just a beautiful home in the popular Botanica tract of Turtle Ridge. Perfect entertainment home with built in BBQ, outdoor fireplace, pool and spa. Oversized lot with sweeping views of the ocean and city lights. Master bedroom walk in closets have been expanded for maximum storage. Too many upgrades to mention in this gorgeous custom home.”

WTF!!! An Irvine tract home for over $3,000,000! This is no estate, this is not a one-of-a-kind property: this is an Irvine tract home. This is double what they paid 3 years ago. How can this seller possibly believe someone would pay this price, particularly when 26 Hedgerow — a nearly-identical, adjacent house on the next street — is selling for less than its purchase price? How can prices double every three years? Will someone pay $6,400,000 for this place in 2010? Do this seller and this realtor have no shame? Again, I am dumbfounded and speechless: this must be a WTF award winner.

House Price RatingsPardon my rant, but someone needs to say “enough is enough.” We have all become so accustomed to these ridiculous asking prices that our outrage is gone. There is no shame in it any more. These people deserve the public humiliation and ridicule this blog provides.

You know, when this is all over, and we look back at the ridiculous prices asked and paid during the bubble, the collective insanity will be apparent to all. Dr. Housing bubble has a great series of posts on “Real Homes of Genius” where he profiles decrepit shacks with asking prices that are truly WTF. Properties in Irvine come in different flavors, but some things are the same: the stupid greed of market participants during a bubble is laughable no matter the quality of the property involved.

I hope you have enjoyed our series of posts on Turtle Ridge. Have a good weekend…

Turtle Ridge High-End Rollback

**** NEWS FLASH ****

A special thanks to Irvine Wanna Be for alerting us to the sale of 35 Hidden Trail (details below) for $1,910,000 on 5/31/2007. There was a 5% commission for a total loss of $435,500 plus carrying costs. Ouch!

26 Hedgerow Kitchen

Asking Price: $1,750,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $1,800,000

Purchase Date: 3/28/2005

Address: 26 Hedgerow, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 5

Baths: 4.5

Sq. Ft.: 3,611

Year Built: 2003

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family Residence

Rollback

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Turtle Ridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $485

MLS#: U7001742

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 48 days

From Redfin, “BEST PRICE IN TURTLE RIDGE!!! NESTLED IN THE GATE GUARDED COMMUNITY. ONE BEDROOM AND BATH DOWN. FORMAL LIVING ROOM AND DINING ROOM OPEN TO COURT YARD WITH FIRE PLACE. GOURMET KITCHEN MASTER SUITE WITH HIS & HER CLOSET. PLANTATION SHUTTERS THROUGHOUT. LARGEST FLOOR PLAN IN BOTANICA. PRIVATE YARD, GREAT CURB APPEAL. “

THANK YOU FOR THE ALL CAPS AND 3 EXCLAMATION POINTS MS. REALTOR!!! HERE’S SCREAMING AT YOU…

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This is a nice home in a great neighborhood. Perhaps in the comments some of the bulls can explain why it is selling for less than its purchase price?

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Hidden FrontHidden Inside

Asking Price: $2,150,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $2,250,000

Purchase Date: 7/13/2006

Address: 35 Hidden Trail, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 4

Baths: 4.5

Sq. Ft.: 3,675

Lot Sq. Ft.: 6,243

Year Built: 2005

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family Residence

Rollback

View: City Lights, Ocean, Panoramic

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Turtle Ridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $585

MLS#: S446750

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 365 days

Unsold in 90+ days

From Redfin, “Corporate Relocation. Outstanding panoramic view – city lights, ocean. Highly upgraded with hardwood floors, crown molding, plantation shutters, custom built-ins. Main floor master bedroom. Extra large bonus room. “

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First, I would like to wish this listing a happy birthday: it has been on the market for one full year (Ooops! this listing expired yesterday. Sorry for the dead link). Do you think it might be overpriced? I don’t know if this really is a corporate relocation or if anyone is on the hook other than the seller, but a $2,250,000 home sitting empty is burning a hole in someone’s pocket.

If this sellers gets this asking price — which seems pretty unlikely after a year on the market, they still stand to lose $229,000 after commissions. If you add a year of carrying costs and the price reduction this will need to actually sell, this seller is probably looking at a $500,000 loss. In my opinion, that is a lot of money.

As you can see, the high end is not immune from the pressures of a falling market. There is no safe harbor from the storm brewing in our housing market. Last fall, and earlier this spring, there were sales occurring in the most desirable areas of Irvine showing some price appreciation. This is a natural “flight to quality” you see at the beginning of any bear market. If asset prices are declining, and you have to park your money somewhere, you want it in the best asset you can find. Unfortunately, in a real bear market — like we are about to experience — there is no place to hide. The market is like the tide raising or lowering all ships, and as Warren Buffet noted, “You don’t know who’s swimming naked until the tide goes out.”

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Irvine's Masada: Turtle Ridge

Masada is an ancient fortress in what is now modern Israel. It may be best known as the last outpost to resist Roman rule. The Jewish Zealots which inhabited Masada finally committed suicide rather than suffer defeat at the hands of the Roman siege army. It isn’t known how they committed suicide. Perhaps it was hemlock, the deadly poison Socrates drank. Masada has become a symbol for zealous devotion and dieing for one’s beliefs.

Turtle Ridge is Irvine’s Masada. There are physical similarities in that they are both isolated outposts of prized real estate. The zealous devotion of housing bulls inhabiting Turtle Ridge and their ritual kool-aid drinking is evident in the prices of homes there.

Prices on a per square foot basis (the best way to compare one neighborhood to another) are very high. From the listings I have seen, I would estimate the median listing price is around $600 / SF. About 10% are in the $400s, about 40% are in the $500s, about 40% in the $600s, and the remainder are over $700 / SF. This is a 20%-30% premium over most of Irvine.

Over the next few days, I am going to profile a variety of homes in Turtle Ridge. I have identified 4 properties which are selling below their 2004 or 2005 purchase prices, and I have identified 4 properties which have such ridiculous asking prices that you have to ask, WTF?

First let’s profile two of the rollbacks:

Greenhouse FrontGreenhouse Kitchen

Asking Price: $759,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $808,000

Purchase Date: 10/11/2005

Address: 55 Greenhouse, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 3

Baths: 2.5

Sq. Ft.: 1,275

Year Built: 2004

Rollback

Stories: 2

Type: Condominium

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Turtle Ridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $595

MLS#: U7001496

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 64 days

From Redfin, “Beautiful detached Turtle Ridge Property. Hardwood floors, stainless steel appliances, plantation shutters and custom paint. Light and bright throughout. Great dutch door from family room to back patio to feel cool breeze. Located on quiet street. Gated community features resort like pool, spa, cabanas, and clubhouse. “

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This is a beautiful home in one of the best neighborhoods in Irvine, and this seller is still going to lose money. If they get their asking price, minus a 6% commission, they will lose $94,540. So much for that “safe” investment.

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Asking Price: $719,900IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $760,000

Purchase Date: 9/13/2004

Address: 213 Lonetree, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 3

Baths: 2

Sq. Ft.: 1,790

Year Built: 2004

Rollback

Stories: 1

County: Orange

$/Sq. Ft.: $402

MLS#: K07084046

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 3 days

From Redfin, “Nice property in this great area!! You can & apos; t pass up this price for such an awesome unit!!!Needs very little to be ready to move in to. Bring even your fussiest buyers You won & apos; t go wrong on this one!! “

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If they get their asking price, they stand to lose $83,294 after commissions.

Check out the price per square foot. This will likely sell for under $400 / SF in Turtle Ridge. This is a real comp killer.

So there you have 2 properties selling for less than their purchase prices from 2004 and 2005. These are two of the less expensive homes, but the top of the market is not immune. On Thursday, I will feature two more from the high end.

Telling Good Analysis from Bad

Bulls have opinions; bears have opinions. How do can you tell who’s opinion is more likely to become future reality? What characteristics are exhibited by an analysis with good predictive power versus those without? How do you tell the difference between an opinion based on emotion, fantasy and wishful thinking from an opinion based on a rigorous, unbiased examination of the facts? These are the questions I wish to explore today.

As part of my job, I obtain market studies to evaluate various land uses for specific pieces of property. Based on the quality of the information in these reports, I make and implement recommendations on the purchase and development of multi-million dollar properties. If my analysis is faulty, or if I fail to recognize a faulty analysis in a report upon which my actions are based, the project’s investors will not meet their financial objectives. In short, if I mess up my analysis, people lose money.

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The easiest way to demonstrate a good analysis from a bad one is to directly compare a good one to a bad one and note the key differences. For an example of a good analysis, I will use The Anatomy of a Credit Bubble, not because it is so great, but because I know it very well. For an example of a bad analysis I will use Gary Watts Real Estate Outlook 2007 because he has achieved local fame, and because his analysis is terrible.

Accurate Data

The first thing an analysis must contain is accurate data which is verifiable. Garbage in, garbage out. For The Anatomy of a Credit Bubble I used data from the US census bureau, the local MLS, Newsweek magazine, US department o labor, and a variety of websites which used official government data sources. Basically, if you want to challenge the accuracy of the data presented in the analysis, you could go the source and verify it. I don’t have any problems with the accuracy of the data presented in the Gary Watts report, so he makes it past the first hurdle.

Direct Causation

Once you have accurate data, the analysis of this data must focus on cause and effect. There must be direct causation linking a specific set of conditions to the outcomes these conditions will produce. A good analysis demonstrates this direct causal link in a clear and unambiguous manner. When an analysis relies on indirect causation, it is weak; when an analysis relies on implied causation, it is worthless.

In The Anatomy of a Credit Bubble, I demonstrated a number of direct causal links which impact how much people pay for houses:

  • House prices are directly correlated with amounts borrowed.
  • Amounts borrowed are directly correlated with the interest rate offered.
  • Amounts borrowed are directly correlated with the borrowers debt-to-income ratio.
  • Artificially low interest rates (reset issue) and exotic financing cause foreclosures.
  • Foreclosures cause higher interest rates.
  • Foreclosures above a certain threshold cause house prices to decline.
  • Declining house prices causes more foreclosures. (note the causally related downward spiral)
  • Declining house prices and increasing foreclosures cause lenders to lower debt-to-income ratios and raise interest rates.
  • Lower debt-to-income ratios and rising interest rates cause amounts borrowed to decline.
  • Less amounts borrowed (in conjunction with foreclosures) causes house prices to decline.

Notice the focus is always on correlation and causation forming a chain of events leading to an inevitable conclusion. A good analysis centers the debate around the premises. If the premises are true and accurate, the conclusions cannot be denied.

In contrast, a bad analysis states a conclusion and offers support through indirect or implied causation. When you read through the Gary Watts Real Estate Outlook 2007 you find yourself asking, “How does that impact house prices?” It is a question that is never answered.

Straw Man Arguments

You know an analysis is in trouble when it starts with straw-man arguments to refute counter claims. The Gary Watts Real Estate Outlook 2007 starts its analysis with this headline,

“So Why Do You Feel So Bad? . . . Could It Be The Media? Remember all the fuss over Y2K? How about Killer Bees, West Nile Virus and the Mad Cow disease? What happened with 2005’s “serious” lack of vaccines for one of the “worst” flu seasons? Where did SARS and the Bird Flu. . . fly to?”

He left out crop circles, UFOs, Kennedy conspiracy theories, and the prophesies of Nostradamus. This is an effort to make all dissenters look like raving maniacs with no credibility. The implication is that people who believe there is a housing bubble must also have believed in these other erroneous predictions. This is a feeble attempt to increase his own credibility through linking his opponents to false predictions.

Gary Watts Real Estate Analysis

When he finally gets to real estate, he pulls out these gems:

“Housing Prices Continue to Decline!

Only the rate of appreciation is declining; home prices are still rising. The median profit earned for Orange County was $291,000 for 4 years of ownership!”

Here he conflates a rising median with rising prices for individual homes. We all know the prices of individual properties are declining. We have documented it in many, many posts. The median holds up only because sales at the bottom of the market are nearly zero and incentives and discounts are not reflected in the reported sales prices. The comment about the median profit is completely superfluous information which only documents that we had a bubble. It makes no statement as to whether house prices are currently rising or falling.

Next Mr. Watts comments on the decline in sales:

“Home Sales Decline By ____30___%!

They are measuring against 2005’s almost record year. Since 1996, the yearly average of all sales in Orange County has been 42,716. Last year our sales decline will be only 15% off our 10 year average.”

Sales are below the 10 year average, but only by 15%. Notice the attempt to make this seem insignificant? Bear markets in real estate begin with a dramatic drop in sales. This is the leading indicator everyone anticipates. He makes no mention of what this means. A good argument would have at least attempted to address the bearish argument of declining sales signaling the top of the market.

More nonsense, this time on foreclosures:

“Foreclosure Activity Rises!

They have to be up after hitting a record low! The truth is that 99% of all loans in the U.S. are not in foreclosure. The remaining 1% that were foreclosed upon had the following breakdown:

* 80% were classified by federal lenders as Professional Thieves and were turned over to the FBI.

* 20% were classified by lenders as Fraud for Property that resulted in unethical lending practices.

* Ca. Defaults: Historical 32,762 – Low: 12,145- 3Q’04 High: 59,987 – 1Q’96 Current: 37,273

* For all of ‘06, foreclosures accounted for only 1.81% of all Orange County sales, with lenders reselling those homes at an average discount of only 3.8%!”

Here he tries to make it sound as if borrowers are making their payments, and the foreclosure problem has nothing to do with the exotic loan terms. According to Gary Watts breakdown 100% of the foreclosures can be attributed to theft or fraud. Does anyone believe that? Somebody provide me a link to his supporting material concerning the breakdown of foreclosures — if it exists. I would like to see it. I suspect this is a rectal extraction. Plus, he completely ignores the implications of the trend in foreclosures which is increasing at an increasing rate. It isn’t the number of foreclosures today that is the problem, it is the number forecast for the next 5 to 7 years that is alarming.

Then Mr. Watts really pulls out all the stops,

“Affordability Index at Record Low – So Few Can Afford to Buy! Home ownership is at a record high of 70%, while the baby boomers ownership percentage is 80%! This index is archaic and does not account for how dramatically the world changed in 1979.”

Affordability is the central issue of the bubble. His drawn out attempt to make light of this problem is ridiculous. First, what does his statement about ownership percentages have to do with anything? Affordability is so low because this increase in home ownership (caused by loose lending standards) has driven up prices as buyers outbid one another for properties.

He tries to bridge to his analysis about the changing world in 1979… Basically, he says baby boomers are rich, and they will buy so much real estate that the market demand is limitless. This is silly. Baby boomers were big participants in the bubble, that is clear; however, now that these second homes are burning a financial hole in their pockets, they are not buying more, but instead selling what they have. Also, baby boomers are all moving toward the empty nest stage and into retirement. Their demand for housing space is going to decline as they downsize and abandon their McMansions.

Plus, I just have to wonder why this market altering event in 1979 didn’t prevent the last bear market from 1990 to 1996 — a bear market Gary Watts accurately predicted?

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I don’t want to rehash his entire analysis, but when you read it you see numerous examples of indirect or implied causation. Each of the facts he mentions could in some way contribute to increased buying or decreased supply, but each of them also could amount to nothing. It is the shotgun approach: maybe one or two items out of the list of 20 will have an impact, so he just lists them all hoping the cumulative impact will convince the reader prices will increase. He plays on the inability of most people to sort through the details. He doesn’t dazzle them with brilliance, he baffles them with BS.

Give yourself an out

In the final paragraph, Gary Watts does give himself an out which makes the inaccuracies of his forecast look beyond his control.

“What to Watch:

1. If the Fed sees things it does not like and raises interest rates.

2. If increases in our housing inventory push the supply past 5.5 months.

3. Un-motivated sellers still entering the market in large numbers.”

This is an obvious tactic as explained by Rich Toscano,

“This is the type of permabull revisionism that we can expect a lot more of in the months and years ahead. It goes something like this: “We were right to predict infinitely rising home prices, but who could have foreseen Factor X?” Factor X might be further mortgage defaults, employment weakness, a consumer slowdown, outmigration, or any number of other problems. It will be discussed as if it was some entirely unpredictable exogenous shock, and that the bullish analysts’ predictions would have been spot on had the X-Factor not come into play. The truth is that the X-Factor will not be some external shock as they’d have us believe, but a likely if not inevitable result of the excesses of the housing bubble.”

At the time Gary Watts wrote his analysis, there was more than 5.5 months of inventory on the market. It has only gotten worse. He built in the excuse for the failure of his analysis.

ConclusionSheeple

A good analysis uses direct causation with verifiable data, clear premises and easy to understand conclusions. A bad analysis has faulty data and utilizes indirect or implied causation to support a hazy conclusion.

People in the industry who really want a market analysis employ companies like John Burns Consulting to get something with real predictive power. Nobody who makes multi-million dollar investment decisions uses Gary Watts. Quite honestly, if a consultant I used gave me a report like Gary’s, I probably wouldn’t pay them, and I certainly wouldn’t use them again.

Gary Watts analysis is nothing to take very seriously, but it doesn’t need to be. Gary’s place in the REIC is not that of a paid analyst, he is a paid shill of local realtors. His analysis is not intended to actually forecast anything, he merely needs to make it plausible enough to help realtors convince people to buy homes. If you want to rely on him to guide you for making the purchase of a home, do so at your own risk and with the full knowledge you are a sheeple being guided to the slaughterhouse.