Rental Value

Things I don’t Understand — Coldplay

How much is a property worth? The ultimate answer is whatever someone is willing and able to pay for it. With the remnants of kool aid intoxication still gripping the market, there is no shortage of people with the willingness to pay any price to own property, but with the constriction of credit, there is certainly less ability to pay for it. This is to be expected in the initial stages of a price decline. People’s memories are of the rally and all the money people made, although we will start to see a reduced willingness to buy as the bear market grinds on.

Once the poison of kool aid has been purged from the collective consciousness of the populace, people will require a new motivation to purchase real estate: it is cheaper than renting. I first wrote about this phenomenon in the post How Inflated are House Prices? I later followed up with a more detailed analysis of the Rent vs. Own decision. Today’s featured property is offered for sale at a price far in excess of its cost of ownership. This property is being offered for sale at $589,000, and it was available for rent in January at $2,300 per month. There is a comparable property currently for rent at $2,500 a few doors away. That puts the value between $368,000 and $400,000 for an owner occupant using a 160 GRM.

31 Potomac Inside

Asking Price: $589,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $147,250

Downpayment Needed: $117,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,908

Purchase Price: $625,000

Purchase Date: 12/29/2005

Address: 31 Potomac, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,300
$/Sq. Ft.: $453
Lot Size: 1

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Dutch Queen Anne, Edwardian
Year Built: 1985
Stories: 2 Levels
View: Park or Green Belt
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: S533522
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 105 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Inside location,Three bedrooms and three baths, with two car garage.
One ved room with bath in main floor. High ceiling, Living room with
fire place. Detacged home in Northwood, close to community pool,spa,
awarding northwood high school.

ved room?

There is a reason for this seller’s reluctance to lower his price: he has a huge downpayment in the property. This was a pure speculative purchase made with much of the owners money. If he could have rented the property for $2,300, he could have covered his payment on the $375,000 mortgage. Now, it is only a matter of how much of his money he is going to lose. If he waits until the property hits bottom, he will lose all of his $250,000 equity investment. As it stands now, if someone is willing to pay his asking price, and if he pays a 6% commission, the total loss will be $71,340.

Why would someone buy this property? The monthly cost of ownership would be about $3,700 per month. The cost of renting a similar property nearby is only $2,500. Also, when you factor in the monthly equity burn of $4,908 due to the declining market, this purchase makes no sense. There is only one compelling reason someone would buy this property: they believe the market is at the bottom and they have fantasies of endless appreciation. Perhaps there is someone out there who is only concerned with “owning” a property to provide for their family, but overpaying for real estate for psychological and emotional reasons is not doing the family any favors.

Someone stands to lose $250,000 on this property. The banks are not lining up to offer 100% financing because they are tired of being the bagholder. If this guy does not lower his price quickly to meet the market, he will be the big loser. If he does lower the price to sell, perhaps he can split the loss with the knife catcher. In whatever form it happens, there is $250,000 that is going to disappear into the ethers. Needless to say, I will not be bidding on this property any time soon.

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How tides control the sea, and what becomes of me
How little things can slip out of your hands
How often people change, not to remain the same
Why things don’t always turn out as you plan

These are things that I don’t understand
Yeah, these are things that I don’t understand

I can’t, and I can’t decide
Wrong, oh my wrong from right
Day, oh my day from night
Dark, oh my dark from light
I live, but I love this life

How infinite is space, and who decides your fate
Why everything will dissolve into sand
How to avoid defeat, when truth and fiction meet
Why nothing ever turns out as you plan

These are things that I don’t understand
Yeah, these are things that I don’t understand

I can , and I can’t decide
Wrong, oh my wrong from right
Day, oh my day from night
Or dark, oh my dark from light
I live, but I love this life

Things I don’t Understand — Coldplay

Pay My Debts

Precious Declaration — Collective Soul

There is a group of nervous home sellers who are trying to sell their homes for enough to pay off their mortgages. Some of these were buyers toward the end of the rally that paid too much, and some are owners who bought earlier but mortgaged themselves into the same precarious position. They are wise to try to sell now if they can get enough to pay off their debts and save their credit. Today’s featured property is an owner who extracted much of their equity, but they still have some room to maneuver before they go underwater. In my opinion, there feeble price reductions have not shown the aggressiveness necessary to move this property before the market leaves them underwater, but I guess they don’t want to give it away.

55 Declaration Place Kitchen

Asking Price: $839,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $209,750

Downpayment Needed: $167,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $6,991

Purchase Price: $565,000

Purchase Date: 12/20/2002

Address: 55 Declaration Place, Irvine, CA 92602

Beds: 5
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,830
$/Sq. Ft.: $296
Lot Size: 5,000

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1997
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: West Irvine
County: Orange
MLS#: P639612
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 96 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Gourmet Kitchen Award

West Irvine beauty! Five large spacious bedrooms + a loft upstairs. One
bedroom and one bathroom with shower downstairs. Large back yard and
BBQ. Wood floors in entry, bounus room, stairs, loft, and hallway!
Spacious living and dinning Rms, Large Family Room with Fpl. Gourmet
Kitchen w/Granite Countertops, Center Island, Newer Stainless Sink,
Dishwasher, Cooktop, and a Walk-in Pantry! Huge Master Suite w/Walk-in.
Fresh 2-Toned Paint throughout, Custom Window Coverings and Wood
Shutters and Much more!

Title Case… Again…

Plenty of exclamation points!

The owners of this property refinanced in 2006 with a $752,000 first mortgage. They need to sell this place for $800,000 to pay a 6% commission and break even on the deal.

Listing Price History

Date Price
May 29, 2008 $889,000
Jun 24, 2008 $869,000
Aug 06, 2008 $839,000

I imagine the 5% reduction in asking price seems like a lot to them, but if they don’t sell this summer, they will probably go underwater. It is difficult to feel too sorry for them considering they have already extracted $187,000 plus their downpayment from the property. Perhaps they have this money sitting in an investment account and could pay off the shortfall at closing. Does anyone think this scenario is likely?

When you look at our current inventory of homes, you see that the composition is very different than what is found in a normal, healthy real estate market. Usually, the number of distressed properties (REOs, short sales and nearly short sales) is very low. In appreciating market conditions, the distressed properties sell quickly, and the vast majority of sellers can get at or above their asking prices because they don’t need to sell. The amount of distressed inventory becomes a larger percentage of the market, sellers become more aggressive (at least the ones who can) and prices stop appreciating. When the percentage of distressed properties gets very high, prices go down. This is what we are seeing now. It becomes a negative feedback loop as price declines distresses more properties which drives prices down even more. Today’s seller would not be distressed if prices had not fallen to close to their breakeven price. They need to sell now because prices are dropping and they probably have difficulty affording the very large mortgage they now have (It is possible their household income rose 70% since 2002, but I doubt it). This is the downward spiral playing out one property at a time.

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Hitched a ride to the peaceful side of town
Then proceeded where thieves were no longer found
Cant crash now Ive been waiting for this
Wont crash now I found some encouragement
Precious declaration reads
Yours is yours and mine you leave alone now
Precious declaration says
I believe all hope is dead no longer

New meanings to the words I feed upon
Wake within my veins elements of freedom
Cant break now Ive been living for this
Wont break now Im cleansed with hopefulness
Precious declaration reads
Yours is yours and mine you leave alone now
Precious declaration says
I believe all hope is dead no longer

Once I jumped thru hoops of fire
As high and far as you required
I was blind but now I see
Salvation has discovered me


Precious Declaration
— Collective Soul

Money Talks

Money Talks — AC/DC

There have been some rumblings about the declining inventory numbers and the slight uptick in sales in Irvine. Perhaps it is signaling a bottom in pricing? This doesn’t seem likely, particularly with the Alt-A and Prime ARMs due to reset over the coming few years. The fact remains that REOs continue to enter the market, and they continue to drive prices lower to find buyers. Until that stops occurring, prices will not stabilize much less appreciate. Today’s featured property is 35% off its 2005 purchase price, and the lender recently reduced the price drastically to find a buyer.

34 New Season Kitchen

Asking Price: $339,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $67,980

Downpayment Needed: $84,975

Monthly Equity Burn: $2,832

Purchase Price: $520,000

Purchase Date: 12/23/2005

Address: 34 New Season, Irvine, CA 92602

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,190
$/Sq. Ft.: $286
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Traditional
Year Built: 2006
Stories: Split-Level
Floor: 2
Area: Northpark
County: Orange
MLS#: P648984
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 35 days

Huge Price Reduction!!!! Wonderful new Irvine Community with Tennis
Court, Parks, Pool, BBQ area. Property has Dual Master Suites, open
kitchen, attached 2 car garage. Close to new schools, shopping and
freeway; close to Beckman High School. Perfect for first time buyers.
Front patio perfect for entertaining ready for you to customize. A must
see!!

This property is even more of a loss for the various lenders than it appears. The property was purchased for $520,000, but the owner managed to refinance into a $456,000 first and a $114,000 second pulling out $50,000 before he quit making payments and walked away. Wells Fargo held the first mortgage debt, and they only bid $360,000 for the property securing their $456,000 mortgage. Obviously, the loss mitigation procedures have changed at these banks. Surprisingly, there were no buyers even at $360,000, so they ended up with the property. After a month in fantasy land trying to get back most of the $456,000 mortgage, they have lowered the price to move the property. At $339,000, this is approaching rental parity at $2,124 per month. If this property sells for its asking price, the total loss after a 6% commission will be $250,494 based on the refinance amount of $570,000.

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Yeow! Tailored suits, chauffered cars
Fine hotels and big cigars
Up for grabs, up for a price
Where the red hot girls keep on dancing through the night
The claim is in you
The sights are on me
So what do you do
That’s guaranteed
Hey little girl, you want it all
The furs, the diamonds, the painting on the wall

Come on, come on, marry me for the money
Come on, come on, listen to the moneytalk
Come on, come on, marry me for the money
Come on, come on, listen to the moneytalk

A French maid, foreign chef
A big house with king size bed
You’ve had enough, you ship them out
The dollar’s up-down, you’d better buy the pound
[ Find more Lyrics at www.mp3lyrics.org/b6K ]
The claim is on you
The sights are on me
So what do you do
That’s guaranteed
Hey little girl, you broke the laws
You hustle, you deal, you steal from us all

Come on, come on, marry me for the money
Come on, come on. listen to the moneytalk
Come on, come on, marry me for the money
Come, come on, listen to the moneytalk
Moneytalks, yeah, yeah

Money talks, B.S. walks
Money talks, come on, come on


Money Talks
— AC/DC

Open Thread 8-30-2008

The End — John Clinebell

Today’s featured song was sent by a local musician who is an avid reader of the blog. I bet you can guess his name…

The crash at the end of a speculative bubble can be brutal. So far, the price decline in Irvine has been measured and orderly compared to the drops in less desirable markets. I was recently looking at properties in the Palm Springs market, and I found some of the new neighborhoods that were the carnage is simply breathtaking. Check out some of these listings at around 50% off their new home sales price of 2 years ago:

41213 Doyle St Indio,
CA 92203 — Original Price: $468,500 — Asking
Price:
$232,750

82952 Plymouth Dr Indio,
CA 92203 — Original Price: ? — Asking
Price:
$243,000

41425 Hanover St Indio,
CA 92203 — Original Price: $455,500 — Asking
Price:
$249,900

I could list more, but I think you get the point. The Palm Springs market may have some chance of recovery as baby boomers may want to go here when they begin to retire soon. If you want to see carnage in a market that is not likely to recover any time soon, take a look at Hemet/San Jacinto:

761 Salinger Pl San Jacinto,
CA 92583 — Original Price: $363,500
— Asking Price: $199,900

The interesting thing about all of these properties is that they are selling for less than replacement cost. With asking prices around $85/SF, that is the cost of construction of the box itself. Even if the lots were free, a builder could not build and sell a house on it and make any money. There will be no new construction in these markets until prices rise above replacement costs, and then it will only occur on already finished lots selling at an extreme discount. There will be no new development or construction of finished lots until prices rise back above $130/SF. That is about 50% above current values. As you can see, replacement cost does not put a floor below prices. Ultimately, the lack of new construction will create a shortage, and prices will rise due to supply constraints (assuming the financing is available). However, since we overbuilt in many of these fringe markets, it will take some time to absorb all the existing inventory.

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stacked behind the door
are the photographs of yours.
in the basket
down the hall
there’s a soccer shirt that i borrowed.

the end isn’t the
end.
the end isn’t the end of this.

picking out the darkened hair
from
each and every happy moment.
i’ve come to terms that have been laid
bare,
quiet sleeping angels in my bed.

the end isn’t the
end.
the end isn’t the end of this.

so don’t you disappoint yourself
again,
you’ll be back home..
you disappoint yourself
again,
you’ll be back home..
you disappoint yourself
again,
you’ll be back home..
before too long..

these discussions with
myself,
the kinds of things that don’t tend to help.
pacing back and
forth with my guitar,
looking way up high on a shelf.

The End — John Clinebell

Time It Right

Time In A Bottle — Jim Croce

Some time ago, I wrote the post Timing Does Matter, to document the financial impact of properly timing the market. Today’s featured property owners show how a family should manage their mortgage, and the benefits that can be obtained in retirement if you sell near the peak of a massive speculative bubble. I commend today’s sellers. They are the role models I will emulate in my own life.

14951 Elm Kitchen

Asking Price: $649,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $162,250

Downpayment Needed: $129,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,408

Purchase Price: $59,500

Purchase Date: 8/22/1980

Address: 14951 Elm Ave., Irvine, CA 92606

Turkey

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,873
$/Sq. Ft.: $347
Lot Size: 5,301

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Traditional
Year Built: 1973
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: Walnut
County: Orange
MLS#: S544508
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 10 days

lite-briteThis home shows with quiet elegance and is truly a Turnkey Home! Enjoy
living at its finest in this tri-lvel home in College Park community.
It features 4 bedrooms, 2.5 bathrooms, new beige carpet, new interior
paint, scraped ceilings, wood banisters & floors, custom entry door
and transom, new dual pane windows, recessed lighting, track lighting,
crown molding, wide baseboards, new energy efficient air conditioner,
and a cozy family room with a fireplace. The newly remodeled kitchen
features granite counter tops, new microwave, tile backsplash and
flooring, recessed lighting, and a garden window overlooking into a
neatly groomed back yard with a spa and built in barbeque. Plantation
shutters in master bedroom, study(bedroom) and master bath. Light and
bright with skylight in hall bathroom. Don’t forget room off master
bedroom allows for plenty of storage. Only walking distance to
elementary school. The HOA has 3 community pools with active swim team,
clubhouse, and parks.

Today’s sellers will have to pardon my irreverence, but “Turkey Homes” and “light and bright” are something I can’t resist.

These people bought this house almost 30 years ago and paid off their original mortgage. They have two small HELOCs which appear to have been used to redo the kitchen and the roof. This should help them sell the property. These people did not participate in the borrowing orgy while everyone around them was. The HELOCs are through a teacher’s credit union, so one or both of the owners are probably teachers. The additional $550,000+ will go a long way toward supplementing a teacher’s pension.

This is how I want to manage my house. They got to live in a nice Irvine property for many years, they paid off their housing debt, they are selling at an inflated price (relative to fundamentals,) and now they can downsize and have some significant cash to enjoy in their retirement. What a great plan!

I don’t intend to make my house my only retirement savings. I set aside money for that purpose irrespective of what might happen with housing. If kool aid intoxication takes over after I buy, I am certainly not above taking advantage of the greed and stupidity of my fellow man — I am not counting on it, but if it should occur, it would be a nice pile of cash to play with when I am ready to stop working.

I salute you Mr. and Mrs. Financially Conservative owners. You have shown the rest of us the way…

I hope you have enjoyed this week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we
continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

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If I could save time in a bottle
The first thing that Id like to do
Is to save every day
Till eternity passes away
Just to spend them with you

If I could make days last forever
If words could make wishes come true
Id save every day like a treasure and then,
Again, I would spend them with you

But there never seems to be enough time
To do the things you want to do
Once you find them
Ive looked around enough to know
That youre the one I want to go
Through time with

If I had a box just for wishes
And dreams that had never come true
The box would be empty
Except for the memory
Of how they were answered by you

But there never seems to be enough time
To do the things you want to do
Once you find them
Ive looked around enough to know
That youre the one I want to go
Through time with

Time In A Bottle — Jim Croce