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The Crooked House, Del Italia, Westpark, Irvine

There was a crooked man and he walked a crooked mile,
He found a crooked sixpence upon a crooked stile.
He bought a crooked cat, which caught a crooked mouse.
And they all lived together in a little crooked house

4 Del Italia kitchen

Asking Price: $679,900

Address: 4 Del Italia, Irvine, CA 92614

Follow her down to a bridge by a fountain,
Where rocking horse people eat marshmallow pies.
Everyone smiles as you drift past the flowers,
That grow so incredibly high.

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds — The Beatles

I saw a story on MSN recently that the inspiration for John Lennon’s song was gravely ill. Of course, most people believe the Beatles were writing about drug induced hallucinations, but wherever the song came from, it is etched in the minds of our collective consciousness.

So where do crooked little houses on crooked little lots come from? Are the planners and designers high? In land planning, there is a tradeoff between the width of a lot (which translates into development costs) and the attractiveness of the street scene. Narrow lots are most cost effective, but they make for garage-dominated elevations and an unattractive street appearance.

Alley-loaded products are one possible solution, but the additional alleys eliminate back yards and drive up development costs. Many different solutions have been implemented to improve the street appearance while keeping lots narrow and cost effective. One such attempt at innovation is represented by the angled lots of the neighborhood where today’s featured property is located.

When you drive down the streets in these neighborhoods, on one side you will see garage doors, but on the other side, you will see the side of the garage that has often been dressed up with windows or other architectural features. Since the house fronts are at an angle to the street, the lines along the front elevations are broken, and the street takes on a more varied and attractive appearance.

Unfortunately, this kind of neighborhood is a nightmare for planners and surveyors because the lot lines have so many corners and crooked lines (A typical lot is a rectangle with four straight lines). Compare a normal rectangular lot to the lot outlined in red above. These neighborhoods are also difficult to build because the moving lot lines creates confusion on the construction site. The architecture has to be tailored to the lot as well.

It you drive around this neighborhood (or look at Google Street View), you can see the results of what the land planners intended. Some may consider it successful, and others may not. Developers for the most part are not impressed with the concept as evidenced by the fact you no longer see subdivisions designed in this way.

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As if on cue, the realtor has managed to take a series of crooked photographs to go with this crooked house on its crooked lot. Perhaps these fish-eye lenses are not a panacea for interior photography.

4 Del Italia inside 4 Del Italia kitchen

Asking Price: $679,900

Income Requirement: $169,975

Downpayment Needed: $135,980

Purchase Price: $327,000

Purchase Date: 5/31/2000

Address: 4 Del Italia, Irvine, CA 92614

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,430
$/Sq. Ft.: $475
Lot Size: 5,138

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Mediterranean
Stories: 2
Year Built: 1987
Community: Westpark
County: Orange
MLS#: S577287
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 4 days

Quiet & private cul-de-sac location. Highly upgraded with wood
floors, French doors, plantation shutters throughout, vaulted ceilings
recessed lighting, huge private yard with gazebo, state of the art fire
and burglar alarm system, built in wall to wall garage cabinets,
breakfast nook, newer appliances, newer paint. Beautiful association
parks, pools and tennis courts. Close to great schools, shopping,
entertainment and more!

This property was purchased on 5/31/2000 for $327,000. These owners have paid down their mortgage since purchasing, and the current debt is only $250,000! Perhaps you think I am crazy for making a big deal of this, but it is so rare, that I have to celebrate it when I see it.

If this property sells for its current asking price, the owners stand to make a fortune. At $475/SF, I don’t give it much chance, but at least with some IHB exposure, people will know it is there.

School of Hard Knocks on Scholarship, Jamboree Corridor, Irvine

The school of hard knocks is a costly way to learn about real estate markets. The owners of today’s featured property are learning a very hard lesson as their property has lost 39% of its resale value in just over two years.

5053 SCHOLARSHIP inside

Asking Price: $550,000

Address: 5053 Scholarship, Irvine, CA 92612

Schools Out For Summer — Alice Cooper

School’s out for summer
School’s out forever
School’s been blown to pieces

I have been educating people on the workings of residential real estate since I began writing for the IHB more than two years ago. Two of the concepts I focus on are the cashflow valuation of property as its fundamental value and the price appreciation due to irrational exuberance. Any readers who have absorbed these concepts have a framework for understanding the rise and fall of home prices, and they have a reasonable approximation on price levels where the market will stabilize. This is a significant financial advantage of those who speculate and randomly guess where house prices will go next.

Many people who purchased during the bubble had little or no understanding of real estate markets (despite their beliefs to the contrary). Many of the clueless masses are learning very painful lessons from the school of hard knocks. Today’s featured property is one such learning experience.

IHB Party 6-30-2009 at JT Schmids at the District

5053 SCHOLARSHIP inside

Asking Price: $550,000

Income Requirement: $137,500

Downpayment Needed: $110,600

Purchase Price: $902,000

Purchase Date: 5/15/2007

Address: 5053 Scholarship, Irvine, CA 92612

Beds: 2
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,430
$/Sq. Ft.: $385
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Hi-Rise/Mid-Rise Condominimum, Modern/Hi-Tech
Stories: 1
Floor: 5
View: Canyon, City Lights, City, Hills, Mountain
Year Built: 2007
Community: Airport Area
County: Orange
MLS#: S577049
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

lite-brite

WOW!! HIGHLY UPGRADED LUXURIOUS CONDO. EAST SOUTH SIDE, VERY LIGHT
& BRIGHT. SPACIOUS 2BED W/ VIEW & 2.5 BATH. REMOTE CONTROLLED
ALL WINDOW SHADE. UPGRADED LIGHTINING SYSTEM.GORGEOUS HARDWOOD
FLOOR.ALL GRANITE COUNTER TOPS.BUILT-IN WINE REFREGERATOR.GORGEOUS
ITALIAN CABINETS.MORE MORE!!! A PLUS PLUS.

WOW!! ALL CAPS AND MULTIPLE EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!

A PLUS PLUS MINUS MINUS MINUS MINUS MINUS MINUS MINUS MINUS MINUS MINUS MINUS MINUS MINUS

This property was purchased on 5/15/2007 for $902,000. The owners used a $725,000 first mortgage and a $177,000 downpayment. The owners opened a HELOC for $87,700 a few months later. For their sake, I hope they maxed it out.

In the two years that have passed since they made this investment, they have lost every penney they put into the deal and their credit is trashed. All this in only two years; that is a hard knock.

You can just imagine the sale back in 2007, the buyers thought they were savvy real estate investors poised to make a fortune in the new OC high rise. It hasn’t exactly turned out as planned.

Some may look at this and think, “it was the market,” as if there were no indications that this investment might not turn out well. Many people foolishly buy into the narrative without doing the math. They buy a load of bullshit about real estate always goes up, or buying into these new towers where all the foreign investors will buy them later at inflated prices, or any of the fantasies of speculation on appreciation. Narrative does not measure value, it measures gullibility.

Buy the math, not the mythology.

Reservoir of Value? Bayberry Way, University Park, Irvine

Can real estate serve as a long-term reservoir of value? For the most part, the answer is no.

18 Bayberry Way kitchen

Asking Price: $690,000

Address: 18 Bayberry Way, Irvine, CA 92612

IHB Party 6-30-2009 at JT Schmids at the District

Agenda Suicide — The Faint

All we want is just pretty little homes,
Our work makes pretty little homes,
Agenda Suicide. The drones work hard before they die
And give up on pretty little homes.

Has anyone paused to think of the ramifications of what happens if prices never become affordable again? What happens if all future generations are priced out forever?

Lately, houses have been purchased by people with large downpayments. With the limited availability of financing–meaning lending based on real incomes and sustainable terms–people are only being allowed to borrow so much money. This new borrowing limit plus the cash reserves people have been putting forward have been sustaining our housing market for the last several months. How long can that go on? Forever?

Can houses become a reservoir of value? Will houses be passed on from generation to generation with each one assuming a massive debt and a mountain of equity? That seems pretty unlikely, particularly given the spendthrift ways of our HELOC abusing populace. As a reservoir of value, houses have proven to be quite leaky.

Someone, somewhere will be financing a home purchase. First time buyers without an inheritance will have an empty reservoir. Therefore, any neighborhoods populated by first-time buyers cannot by their nature be reservoirs of value. Also, area incomes are by far the biggest determinant of long-term property values. Take a look at what is happening in Detroit’s real estate market. Prices are far below replacement costs and in many areas are worth only their salvage value. House prices in these areas depreciate like cars because jobs are leaving the area and incomes are declining. There is no reservoir value in real estate under those conditions.

Even under the influence of irrational exuberance, there comes a point
when house prices reach the absolute limit of prices supportable by
wages. Once this point is reached, prices cannot and will not rise any
faster than the rate of income growth (unless the finance industry
“innovates” again). If appreciation is limited by wage growth, houses
cease to have significant investment value and only serve as an
inflation hedge. Once the illusory investment value disappears, people
will not receive a great rate if return on their investment, and they will not be motivated to overpay for it (owning for $5,000 per month when you can rent for $3,000). The loss of investment incentive over the long term would cause prices to stabilize at rental parity.

Houses in neighborhoods dominated by the working-class will be dominated by local wages. Entry level housing in these neighborhoods cannot be reservoirs of value because first-time buyers do not have sufficient savings to sustain inflated prices. Unique properties in high-end neighborhoods may store some value, but even these properties are subject to the wealth accumulated by would-be homeowners.

Real estate is a cashflow investment and an inflation hedge. Despite claims to the contrary, it is not the road to unlimited wealth and spending power.

18 Bayberry Way kitchen

Asking Price: $690,000

Income Requirement: $172,250

Downpayment Needed: $137,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,742

Purchase Price: $478,000

Purchase Date: 6/26/2002

Address: 18 Bayberry Way, Irvine, CA 92612

Beds: 4
Baths: 4
Sq. Ft.: 2,700
$/Sq. Ft.: $255
Lot Size: 3,200

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Townhouse
Stories: 2
View: Greenbelt
Year Built: 1967
Community: University Park
County: Orange
MLS#: S576481
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 4 days

Upgraded 4 Bedrooms,2.5 Baths,approx. 2700 Sq.Ft. in desirable
University Park. Upgraded with Travertine throughout downstairs,granite
counters in kitchen,Customized bathrooms with custom tile in showers
and tub/shower and counter tops. Private patios in front and rear.
Upgraded dual pane sliders to patios. Tall ceiling in Living rooms with
lots of windows to ceiling in Living Room and entry way. Very Bright.
Two fireplaces, one in Master Bedroom and Living Room. Low association
fees with No Mello-Roos-Community pool,spa,and tennis
corts-Award-winning Irvine Schools and convenient to
shopping,resturants,schools,library,and frreway acess and close to
U.C.Irvine.

resturants? frreway acess?

This property was purchased on 6/26/2002 for $478,000. The owner used a $448,125 first mortgage and a $29,875 downpayment. It looks as if this owner paid down the mortgage! The current debt is only $332,840. If this sells for its current asking price, the owner stands to profit handsomely. Maybe conservative borrowing does pay off after all.

FSBO Needs Help on Camphor, University Park, Irvine

You don’t need a realtor to sell property. If you know how to market and negotiate, you can do most of the work yourself; however, if you are not skilled in these areas, perhaps a little help might be in order.

3 Camphor S back

Asking Price: $440,000

Address: 3 Camphor S, Irvine, CA 92612

Check out an interview with me at Matt Padilla’s blog, Foreclosure is the ‘cure’.

On My Own — Three Days Grace

I walk alone
Think of home
Memories of long ago

Being a listing agent is where the real money is made in real estate. It takes much less time and effort, but it does take some financial risk in property marketing–although most seem to defer to the MLS and the Internet. Good agents are obsessed with obtaining listings because they know that is where the real money is.

The relationship between cost and value is debatable, but what value there is in the work of a good listing agent can be readily identified. In our modern Internet era, there are really only two things an agent needs to do: (1) obtain good property photographs, and (2) write a good property description. Any property that has those two things will sell itself on the MLS through sites like Redfin or the many others that provide MLS search capabilities. Any agent who can not do these two things well really should not get any listings.

Today’s featured property is For Sale By Owner (FSBO). As such he has probably already been contacted by dozens of agents trying to get his listing. He probably should have taken one of them up on their offer.

This property is a complete mystery to me. There is no description, the photo of the front is so bad that I cannot tell which property is for sale, and the photo of the back yard leaves more questions than it answers. This is a perfect example of how not to market a house. The only way this sells is because the inventory in Irvine is so limited that people will do their own research to find any available deal.

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Just for a little fun, let’s see how many problems we can identify with the photos.

  • The photo of the front immediately draws your eye to a light pole. WTF?
  • It was taken with a fish-eye lens that distorts everything in the picture.
  • What s that at the base of the light pole?
  • Why is this so out of focus? Was it taken on a camera phone?
  • Are those stepping stones in the grass? They do not seem to lead anywhere.
  • Don’t the trees make this yard look tiny (it probably is).

3 Camphor S back

Asking Price: $440,000

Income Requirement: $110,000

Downpayment Needed: $88,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $3,667

Purchase Price: $488,000

Purchase Date: 11/16/2004

Address: 3 Camphor S, Irvine, CA 92612

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,184
$/Sq. Ft.: $372
Lot Size: 2,957

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single family
Year Built: 1974
Community: Irvine
County: Orange
Listing #: 25493785
Source: Zillow
Status: Active
On Redfin: 5 days

I recogize that most descriptions are a useless waste of words, but give me something….

This property was purchased on 11/16/2004 for $488,000. The ower used a $390,000 first mortgage and a $98,000 downpayment. He refinanced in 2005 and took out most of his downayment with a $388,000 first mortgage and a $97,000 stand alone second.

If this property sells for its asking price–which doesn’t seem very likely–the lender will lose most of the second mortgage.

Busy Being Fabulous

I am always amazed at the asking prices in Turtle Ridge. There are REOs and defaults everywhere and prices rolling back under $1,000,000 on high end properties, and yet there are owners like today’s who think their properties have appreciated 40% since they bought at the peak in 2006. WTF?

28 WOODS Trl kitchen

Asking Price: $2,688,000

Address: 28 Woods Trail, Irvine, CA 92603

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BTW, Kelli Hart has an interesting post at South Coast Homes on the house in San Clemente falling off a cliff, and Matt Padilla has a great post on the impact of HELOC abuse on the foreclosure market. Check them out.

Busy Being Fabulous — The Eagles

Do you think I don’t know that you’re out on the town
With all of your high-rollin’ friends?
What do you do when you come up empty?
Where do you go when the party ends?

Everyone wants to be rich, right? Doesn’t everyone want to believe they made a $1,000,000 though simply owning a piece of real estate? So what happens when you find out that you and everyone in your neighborhood was simply pretending?

The conventional wisdom is that the high end will be the least impacted by the housing crash. This is wrong. It will be among the most effected; it will just happen last.

During the bubble, the more you bought, the more you made. When all properties are appreciating greatly, you wanted to buy the most property you could because in absolute dollars, buying expensive property was how you made the most money. This phenomenon caused high end properties to be bid up beyond WTF price levels. The stratospheric prices are so far above fundamental valuations, that I believe many of these neighborhoods will experience 65% declines before this debacle is done.

Today’s featured property has been the object of my gaze before. On May 8, 2008, this property has already been for sale for 204 days at an asking price of $2,975,000. You think that might have been too high?

It is good to see they have come to their senses and lowered the price to $2,688,000.

WTF

WTF?

I can’t imagine how painful it must have been for them to cut their price by over $300,000. They must feel like they are giving it away.

Isn’t everyone who bought at the peak in Turtle Ridge seeing 40% appreciation in 3 years?

Kool Aid Man

THIS HOUSE IS RIDICULOUSLY OVERPRICED!

IT WOULD BE OVERPRICED AT $1,688,000!!!

I even wrote it in realtorspeak so everyone understands.

What do you do with people like this? How do you tactfully convey the fact that houses do not appreciate that fast even in a bull market, and the last few years have not been bullish? This listing is so far out-of-touch with reality that it should be embarrassing.

28 WOODS Trl kitchen

Asking Price: $2,688,000

Income Requirement: $672,000

Downpayment Needed: $537,600

Monthly Equity Burn: $22,400

Purchase Price: $1,882,500

Purchase Date: 7/13/2006

Address: 28 Woods Trail, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 5
Baths: 5
Sq. Ft.: 3,800
$/Sq. Ft.: $707
Lot Size: 8,929

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Mediterranean
Stories: 2
View: Hills
Year Built: 2007
Community: Turtle Ridge
County: Orange
MLS#: P689072
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

+ days

Gourmet Kitchen Award

PERFECT HOME FOR ENTERTAINING! OVER $500,000 IN UPGRADES! COMPLETELY
REMODELED! LARGE FAMILY HOME WITH 5 BEDROOMS, 5 BATHS, UPPER LEVEL
MEDIA/GAMEROOM LOFT, GOURMET KITCHEN W/UPGRADED STAINLESS STEEL
APPLIANCES, GRAITE COUNTERS, TRAVERTINE FLOORS, CUSTOM MEDIA NICHES
W/SOURROUND SOUND, CLOSET ORGANIZERS, CUSTOM TILE IN ALL BATHS, CROWN
MOLDING, SECURITY, INTERCOM, PROFESSIONAL LANDSCAPING W/CUSTOM POOL,
SPA, OUTDOOR KITCHEN, FIREPLACE, OUTDOOR TV/CABLE, COURTYARD FOUNTAINS,
WATER FEATURES, UPGRADED GARAGE W/CUSTOM FLOORING, PAINT AND CROWN
MOLDING. QUITE CUL DE SAC STREET W/ GREAT NEIGHBOORS!

ALL CAP

OVER $500,000 IN UPGRADES! COMPLETELY
REMODELED! BFD!

SOURROUND? GRAITE? QUITE CUL DE SAC?

And my favorite NEIGHBOORS..

If these sellers can manage to get their asking price, the stand to make about $750,000. Isn’t that their due for owning real estate in California?

This property or a comparable one will sell for under $1,000,000 when we find the bottom.

I hope you have enjoyed this week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Be sure
to come back next week as we
continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

🙂