Category Archives: Real Estate Owned

Greed Killing

Greed Killing — Napalm Death

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Financial manias are built by greed and fear: the two motivations driving the fluctuation of prices in all financial markets. When prices get greatly detached from fundamental valuations, the market is poised for a dramatic fall. There is a phenomenon in residential real estate markets where
foreclosures become bank-owned properties (REO) that causes prices to drop. Today’s post explores the impact of a single REO in a neighborhood as it lowers the values for everyone else.

116 Tall Oak Kitchen

Asking Price: $614,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $153,725

Downpayment Needed: $122,980

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,124

Lender Purchase Price: $606,300

Buyer Purchase Price: $758,000

Purchase Date: 6/13/2005

Address: 116 Tall Oak, Irvine, CA 92603

REO

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,766
$/Sq. Ft.: $348
Lot Size:
Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 2004
Stories: Three or More Levels
Area: Quail Hill
County: Orange
MLS#: P631509
Status: Active
On Redfin: 3 days

although it is designated as a condominium on tax records this is a
detached Home. Unit is in rear and affords additional pricacy. 3 levels
with master suite on 3rd floor. seperate guest room/office/play room
detached from main residence above garage. Interior upgrades include
grantie coutners, flagstone private patio and pad laid for a spa. View
of greenbelt. Buyer’s to independently verify all information including
size, shcools, mello-roos, amenities to their satisfaction.

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This property is a rather unique bank-owned property. It is the first I have seen where the lender received a deed in lieu of foreclosure rather than going through the foreclosure process. I have no idea what the terms of the agreement were, but it is interesting that Countrywide was willing to go through this process rather than foreclose on the property. Another interesting feature was that the seller who gave up the property put $151,700 in a downpayment and gave it up. Based on the neighborhood asking prices, it would appear as if this seller had some equity, but then again, the asking prices in the neighborhood may be wishing prices and this seller may have been better off giving the property back to the bank rather than going through with a sale and paying a commission (although I imagine the local realtors don’t see it that way.)

House Price Ratings

The property sold in 2005 for around $750,000. This was not the peak as that occurred about a year later. The 20% off the original purchase price is more like 25%-30% off the peak. Let’s take a quick look at the asking prices of neighborhood comps:

321 Tall Oak, Irvine, CA 92603, Price: $709,800 — LOL

124 Tall Oak, Irvine, CA 92603, Price: $725,000 — OMG

213 Tall Oak, Irvine, CA 92603, Price: $788,000 — WTF

We have three sellers on the same street with either the same model or a very similar one. The wide disparity in prices has little to do with the quality of the prices and much to do with the delusions of the sellers. The market is about to give them a cleansing dose of reality.

In a healthy real estate market, when a foreclosure occurs, the auction price is not reflected in property appraisals, and when the REO hits the market, it is absorbed at market prices similar to the asking prices in the rest of the neighborhood. In an unhealthy real estate market like ours, asking prices are all over the spectrum, and they are all greater than bids in the market, so transactions are not occurring. Buyers are either unwilling or unable to purchase at the prices being asked. When there is an REO in a neighborhood it works like a Wal-Mart rolling back the prices of all its competitors.

Rollback

This REO is going to sell for less than $614,900. When it does, it will serve as a comparable property sale an appraiser cannot ignore. Lenders are now very sensitive to puffed appraisals, and ignoring this comp will not be possible. After this property is sold, buyers looking at the other three properties listed above will have to deal with the lower comp when they seek financing. The lender is going to assume the value of the three properties above are somewhere around $614K, and they will apply their loan-to-value limits based on this amount. If a buyer is only going to be loaned 80% of $614K to purchase any of the other three neighborhood properties, the only way those homeowners are going to obtain their asking prices is if some buyer is willing to put 30%-40% down. How many buyers are ready, willing and able to do that? Not many.

In a restrictive lending environment like we are witnessing now, volume dries up, and prices fall with each sale. Each lower sales price lowers the amount lenders are willing to loan to purchase the next property in the neighborhood. This downward spiral of lower comps reducing lending amounts continues until we reach bottom at rental parity. As the total amount of borrowing declines both the prices of individual properties and aggregate home price measures like the median fall precipitously, just as we have been witnessing since the credit crunch began last August. When we see they aggregate measures reported, it makes for an interesting statistic, but when you see how the process is happening on the ground with properties like today’s, you can see the mechanism for the price decline in action. This is happening all over California, and it will continue to drive prices lower as credit continues to tighten and REOs continue to flood the market.

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The wrong time, the wrong place,
our smiling face of distrust.
Buried, the seed deep in all our heads.
Prepared ouselves for the fall.

The greed killing!

Instinct to mistrust,
instinct- the lust.
Their butchery of feelings,
geared for the greed killing.

The greed killing!

Not now, when then?
Not now, when then?

Greed Killing — Napalm Death

American Idiots

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The National Association of Realtors hopes that the American sheople are American idiots. They control the media message nearly everywhere, and they constantly push their self-serving agenda: it is always a good time to buy or sell and generate a commission. Unfortunately, you can’t even find the truth in newspapers anymore. Does anyone think the OC Register would be willing to write stories about how and why the market is tanking? If they did, I suspect their real estate advertising section would get a lot smaller. People come to the Irvine Housing Blog because we tell them the truth about falling prices, and we explain why prices will continue to fall. Last week I wrote a post called Inventory Panic. In that post, I mentioned that there are a large number of bank owned properties not yet for sale on the MLS. When these get listed and sold, they will continue to push prices lower. Currently, there are more foreclosures each month than there are sales, and Irvine is in the eye of the storm. How long can that continue before the banks start becoming even more aggressive? We better hope there is an increase in sales volumes soon, or the lenders will own all of Southern California.

Today’s property is one of those I mentioned in the Inventory Panic post. It has just been listed for about 24% off its peak sales price back in 2005.

14952 Greenbrae Kitchen

Asking Price: $499,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $124,975

Downpayment Needed: $99,980

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,165

Borrower Purchase Price: $655,000

Lender Purchase Price: $396,000

Purchase Date: 9/27/2005

Address: 14952 Greenbrae St. Irvine, CA 92604

REO

Beds: 2
Baths: 1
Sq. Ft.: 1,192
$/Sq. Ft.: $419
Lot Size: 5,256

Sq. Ft.

Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Ranch
Year Built: 1975
Stories: One Level
Area: El Camino Real
County: Orange
MLS#: P631342
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

New Listing (24 hours)

Well Taken Care of Bank Owned Property on Cul-de-Sac Street. Single
Story Floorplan with a Large Backyard. Interior Features Include a
Large Open Kitchen, Brick Fireplace, Laminate Wood Flooring and a
Spacious Master Bedroom. This Property is Bank-Owned and the Bank is
Known to Have Quick Response Times.

Well Taken Care of? It looks like pretty run down to me.

Bank is
Known to Have Quick Response Times? LOL!

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Can you believe someone paid $655,000 for this place? That is $550 / SF. It is still ridiculously priced at $419 / SF.

Properties like this will be real bargains 2 or 3 years from now. IMO, a good way to buy is to find a run down POS like this one and renovate it to your taste (assuming there are not structural defects.) Everyone wants to personalize their home, but if you pay move-in-ready prices, you won’t have much left over to renovate.

So how much is the lender going to lose today? Well, sadly, the buyer put 20% down, and they lost $131,000 — funny how it is sad when the family loses money but not when the lender does. If this sells for asking price (it went for $100,000 less at auction), and if the lender pays a 6% commission, the total loss on the property would be $185,094. The homeowner would be out their 20% downpayment of $131,000, and the lender would be out $54,094.

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Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Where everything isn’t meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We’re not the ones who’re meant to follow.
For that’s enough to argue.

Don’t want to be an American idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information age of hysteria.
It’s calling out to idiot America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Where everything isn’t meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We’re not the ones who’re meant to follow.
For that’s enough to argue.


Idiot America
— Green Day

Turtle REOck

Welcome to the new Irvine Housing Blog. We have changed from WordPress to Expression Engine as our blogging software. It is a more powerful platform, and it should allow us to introduce some new and exciting features. There will be some growing pains (as I am experiencing right now in getting to know the new blog entry interface) but in no time, we will all be enjoying the new and improved Irvine Housing Blog.

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Its been such a long time
I think I should be goin, yeah
And time doesnt wait for me, it keeps on rollin
Sail on, on a distant highway
Ive got to keep on chasin a dream
Ive gotta be on my way
Wish there was something I could say.

Well Im takin my time, Im just movin on
Youll forget about me after Ive been gone
And I take what I find, I dont want no more
Its just outside of your front door.

Foreplay/Long Time — Boston

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Asking Price: $674,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $168,725

Downpayment Needed: $134,980

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,624

Purchase Price: $564,678

Purchase Date: 1/25/2008

Address: 4992 Paseo De Vega, Irvine, CA 92603

REO

Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,414
$/Sq. Ft.: $477
Lot Size: 4,914

Sq. Ft.

Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1973
Stories: One Level
Area: Turtle Rock
County: Orange
MLS#: U8001483
Status: Active
On Redfin: 8 days

BY FAR, THIS IS ONE OF THE VERY BEST LOCATIONS IN IRVINE. THIS IS THE
HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER AREA OF TURTLE ROCK. THE HOME IS A SINGLE FAMILY
ATTACHED PROPERTY THAT FEATURES THREE BEDROOMS AND TWO FULL BATHROOMS.
AN ENTERTAINERS DELIGHT WITH MANY UPGRADED FEATURES. YOU ARE CLOSE TO
ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT LIVING IN IRVINE HAS TO OFFER; THE BEST
SCHOOLS, PARKS, RECREATION THE UNIVERSITY AND MORE. COME HOME TO TURTLE
ROCK, AND START LIVING THE IRVINE LIFESTYLE TODAY.

I like Turtle Rock too, but I don’t think it is fair to say it is “by far, this is one of the very best locations in Irvine.”

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An REO in Turtle Rock? How can this be?

Sales History

Date Price Appreciation
Aug 20, 1999 $262,000

Aug 06, 2001 $395,000

23.3%/yr

Mar 11, 2002 $385,000

-4.2%/yr

May 04, 2004 $669,000

29.3%/yr

Dec 22, 2005 $695,000

2.4%/yr

Jan 25, 2008 $564,678

-9.5%/yr

As you can see, this property has changed hands many times. Perhaps there is a St. Joseph statue buried on the property? The lender must think they can still get peak prices in Turtle Rock. It will be interesting to see if they can. From the property records, it is not clear why the buyer let this property go into foreclosure. It appears as if he put 20% down. Maybe the lender won’t lose on this property. That would be a first.

Rose

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‘Tis but thy name that is my enemy;

Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.

What’s Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,

Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part

Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!

What’s in a name? that which we call a rose

By any other name would smell as sweet;

So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call’d,

Retain that dear perfection which he owes

Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,

And for that name which is no part of thee

Take all myself.

William Shakespeare — Romeo and Juliet, 1594

Turtle Ridge is a beautiful community, and although the houses are ridiculously overpriced, it does look like a nice place to live. I know one family who lives there, and they are exceptional people. There are undoubtedly others.

What is in a name? Does “Turtle Ridge” mean more than just a name. I suspect many who bought there believe the name carries prestige and the envy of the lower classes. Personally, I associate Turtle Ridge with pretense, nouveau riche conspicuous consumption, and the embodiment of all things housing bubble — granite tops, stainless steel appliances, Pergo floors, stone facades, gourmet kitchens, etcetera. Do you ever wonder if the residents have giant Roman banquets to impress the world with their wealth?

This may come as a foreign concept to some, but it is possible to feel contempt for conspicuous consumption without feeling envy. I would not feel envious of watching an ancient Roman citizen consume 10 pounds of meat in a single meal. The measure of a person’s character has nothing to do with the contents of their pocketbook, and being showy with money is revelatory of character — what it reveals does not impress me. There is nothing wrong with spending money and enjoying yourself. I do. It is spending money to impress other people that is an enormous waste, particularly when there are people like me on whom it has the opposite effect. I suspect some of the more pretentious residents would convince themselves everyone who claims not to be impressed is secretly envious. There are two types of people in their world, those who are envious, and those who pretend they are not envious. So be it.

So why is it so delightful when the vainglorious fall on hard times? Why is it so pleasing to see an REO in Turtle Ridge? Probably for the same reasons so many were contemptuous of the couple in the CNN article posted in the comments yesterday. You tell me…

30 Crimson Rose Front30 Crimson Rose Kitchen

Asking Price: $1,499,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $374,750

Downpayment Needed: $299,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $12,491

Purchase Price: $1,722,000

Purchase Date: 12/23/2005

Address: 30 Crimson Rose, Irvine, CA 92603

REO

Beds: 4
Baths: 5
Sq. Ft.: 3,403
$/Sq. Ft.: $440
Lot Size:
Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Tuscan
Year Built: 2005
Stories: Two Levels
Area: Turtle Ridge
County: Orange
MLS#: S523791
Status: Active
On Redfin: 28 days

BANK OWNED !!! Stunning floorplan with a main floor master suite. Kitchen with center island, limestone flooring, stainless steel appliances, family room with wood flooring, media room, wine room plus a seperate Casita with private entrance and bath. Outdoor entertainment includes spa, built-in grill and a fantastic fireplace !

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Does anyone remember the fun we had with this property last summer? It was one of our most widely read posts of the year.

Angelo Mozilo It appears the high end is not immune, it is just late to the party. Interesting that it took the bank 8 months to ready this property for sale. I wonder how many other empty, bank-owned properties are sitting out there waiting to be sold or rented? I can’t tell for sure how much money the bank will lose on this one. The owner who was foreclosed on had a $1,000,000 first mortgage and a $935,000 HELOC on the property. You have to think the guy took out most of it, or the property would not have gone into foreclosure. If this borrower took out the full amount before walking, and if Countrywide can get their asking price and pay a 6% commission, the Countrywide stands to lose $525,940. That is a half a million dollar loss on one property in Irvine, California. Last night when I checked their REO website, they owned 4,505 properties in California.

Angelo Mozilo will take his golden parachute from Countrywide and end up on the Greek island of Lesbos having gluttonous orgies. Justice will not be served.

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David Lee RothAre you ready for the new sensation?

Well, here’s the shot heard ’round the world.

All you backroom boys salute when her flag unfurls.

Well, guess who’s back in circulation?

Now, I don’t know what you may have heard

but what I need right now’s the original goodtime girl.

She’s a vision from coast to coast,

sea to shining sea.

Hey, sister, you’re perfect host.

Show me your bright lights and your city lights, all right.

I’m talkin’ ’bout the Yankee Rose.

Bright lights in your city lights, all right.

I’m talkin’ ’bout it.

Yankee Rose — David Lee Roth

Inventory Panic

.Video from our friends at the South OC Tracker.

There has been a lot of talk about the declining inventories. Inventory has been declining, and sales have been increasing, but prices have also been dropping because many of the sales are REOs going at “fire sale” prices. Increasing volume and decreasing prices is not the sign of a market recovery, it is a sign of market panic. Some lenders holding these REOs are trying to clear their books while there are still buyers to be found willing to pay our still-inflated prices. However, many lenders are not, and there is much more REO inventory out there than is widely known.

The Irvine Housing Blog now has a subscription to ForeclosureRadar.com. Their service is a good place to get a “heads up” and buy a foreclosure before it hits the market. I use it to find properties along with Redfin. I want to share with you an observation I have made while looking for properties to profile: many of the REOs are not listed yet. While looking for a house to profile for today’s post, the first four properties I found on foreclosureradar were not listed on Redfin. These included 105 Mission, 9 Timberline, 14952 Greenbrea, and 11 Bull Run. There are more. What are the lenders doing with these? In all likelihood, they are simply overwhelmed with the number of homes they own, and nobody is actively managing them or trying to secure their disposal. Someday, they will. So how many distressed properties are there in Irvine?

Red is bank owned, blue is scheduled for auction, and green is in some stage of preforeclosure. If you want to find out more, go to ForeclosureRadar.com.

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3732 Claremont

Asking Price: $650,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $162,725

Downpayment Needed: $130,180

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,424

Purchase Price: $870,000

Purchase Date: 12/20/2006

Address: 3732 Claremont St., Irvine, CA 92614

Rollback

Beds: 5
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,417
$/Sq. Ft.: $269
Lot Size: 5,473 Sq. Ft.
Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Other
Year Built: 1970
Stories: Two Levels
Area: Westpark
County: Orange
MLS#: U8000923
Status: Active
On Redfin: 29 days

REO

THIS IS THE SOUGHT AFTER CITY OF IRVINE! THE HOME FEATURES ROOM FOR ALL THE FAMILY, FIVE BEDROOMS AND TWO AND ONE HALF BATHROOMS ON ONE OF THE LARGER LOTS IN THE AREA. YOU WILL ENJOY ALL THE BEST THINGS THA LIVING IN IRVINE PROVIDES; SCHOOLS, PARKS, SHOPPING AND ENTERTAINMENT. COME HOME TO IRVINE AND START LIVING THE ‘O. C’ LIFESTYLE TODAY.

THIS IS THE SOUGHT AFTER CITY OF IRVINE! Do you get the impression this was written by someone from out of state?

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This property has a strange history. The buyer put down $175,000 of his own money when he paid $870,000 taking out a $695,000 loan. He then defaulted starting with the third payment, and the lender foreclosed on the property for $734,453 which is the total of the loan plus outstanding payments. The property records show a trustee sale amount of $593,550. I suspect there was an 80/20 involved and the lower amount represents the surviving first mortgage, but it is not clear. The buyer is out his $175,000, and the lender is not going to recoup their money either. The total loss on this property after a 6% commission, assuming they get their asking price, would be $259,000.

We generally profile 4 or 5 properties a week, and lately the average loss has been $200,000 to $250,000. We are documenting $1,000,000 a week in lender losses. It it any wonder the banks are in trouble?

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The SmithsPanic on the streets of London

Panic on the streets of Birmingham

I wonder to myself

Could life ever be sane again ?

The Leeds side-streets that you slip down

I wonder to myself

Hopes may rise on the Grasmere

But Honey Pie, you’re not safe here

So you run down

To the safety of the town

But there’s Panic on the streets of Carlisle

Dublin, Dundee, Humberside

I wonder to myself

Burn down the disco

Hang the blessed DJ

Because the music that they constantly play

IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE

Hang the blessed DJ

Because the music they constantly play

Panic — The Smiths

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