Category Archives: News

Are You Over It?

I have emptied my Reservoir of Schadenfreude. How about you? Are you over it?

6002 Sierra Siena Rd   Irvine, CA 92603  kitchen

Asking Price: $1,069,000

Address: 6002 Sierra Siena Rd Irvine, CA 92603

{book4}

Suckers walk, money talks!
But it can’t touch my three lock box!
Uh! Oh, yeah!
Mysteries of the days of old.
You find the key, you got the gold.


Three Lock Box
— Sammy Hagar

I had lunch with a friend yesterday who is not a fan of 3-car garages — can’t touch my three lock box! Perhaps we should ask our guest on Monday if the Irvine Company will be creating more product with 3-car garages (we don’t want them). I don’t believe there are any in the communities of the 00s. Today’s featured property may become rare and valuable….

{book}

The Great Housing Bubble made me angry (see The Reservoir of Schadenfreude). It drove me to write for this blog for 2 1/2 years and put together a
book. Anger can be very motivating, but over the long term, it eats
away at me, so I am letting it go.

In our collective unconscious which
manifests in our dreams and our mythology, water is often symbolic of
our emotions or our emotional state. Have you noticed people are often
categorized as deep or shallow? If you are in debt you often feel
“underwater,” etc.

Anger is much like water: if not given an outlet, it will fill a
reservoir until it reaches a breaking point and is expressed in a flood
of emotional rage. Each encounter with a pathologic, kool-aid
drinking housing bull over the last few years has added to this
reservoir, and reveling in failed flips is an outlet for this pool of
toxic emotional waste.

Waterdrop

There is an element of tragedy in every disaster, but financial
bubbles are some of the most interesting because they are completely
man made. They are created by the individual decisions of buyers who
are motivated by greed, foolish pride, and a false sense of security.
Each of these people should have known better. Many of them were warned
of their impending doom and chose to go down the path to the Dark Side.

My reservoir is empty.

I am over it.

Well, I may not be totally over it, but I am ready to move on.

The social media is a fascinating phenomenon. Traditional media outlets are being displaced, and citizen journalists and analysts are stepping into this void and providing real content. Have you been over to Calculated Risk lately? It is amazing the quality of the posts and the speed at which he produces them — and he is unpaid; he is doing it for the joy of the activity. How cool is that?

This blog reaches thousands of people each day. I am a citizen journalist. When we all look back on this era, the bubble blog community captured the Zeitgeist of the Great Housing Bubble. The archives of blogs like this one and Housing Panic encapsulate the Age. Keith walked away from Housing Panic and started a new blog. I am not that radical.

Many people come here for the analysis and information, and I hope I make it fun. 🙂 (we have to cut back on the schadenfreude) 🙁 I like to write about the local real estate market, and you like to read it, so I will carry on. I don’t know what changes you will see, but I have to be who I am.

My new goal when I talk about a property is to be accurate. If I have the time, I may do more in-depth analysis on properties like this one: (IHB Opinion_of_Value_14802_Devonshire_Ave_Tustin,_CA_92780.pdf) I will purchase better data to create better analysis posts. I will stay in Irvine on profiles during the week and make sure the IHB will always be the Irvine Housing Blog.

One of the pleasures of the blog are those moments when I can express myself on a personal level. The social media make that a part of the program. We shared this unique cultural event — the Great Housing Bubble and the ensuing recession — the emotions are part of the cultural experience. Back in December 2007, I put it this way in Balance:

BalanceIn many ways blogs are uniquely personal things. The personalities
of the contributors and commenters shapes the conversation and gives
the blog a personality all its own. The Irvine Housing Blog is a
community — a community of like-minded individuals (and recovering
kool-aid addicts) who have come together to make sense of the very
unusual events we have witnessed in our housing market.

Discussing and expressing the emotional side of the bubble is part
of my mission as a blogger. I know I am not the only one with a Reservoir of Schadenfreude. I must confess that I enjoy going over to Housing Panic and reading the unbridled emotional release you find there. I couldn’t
maintain the level of intensity Keith does and stay sane, but there are
times when letting loose is appropriate, and Housing Panic is a place
to do it.Balance scales

…. I do not want to ignore my emotions nor do I want to
discard my intellect. More of one side or the other may come out during
any given day, but over the course of time, I hope I achieve a balance
in my posts just as I hope to achieve a balance in my life.

Life is about balance; it is about being aware of your intellectual
and emotional intelligences and being able to manage both. During a
financial mania people allow their emotions to override their
intellect, and the results are not pretty. It is only through the
interplay of the intellect and the emotions that we can gain a deeper
understanding of what really happened in the Great Housing Bubble.

I am over it. It is time to rebalance.

Zen Garden

6002 Sierra Siena Rd   Irvine, CA 92603  kitchen

Asking Price: $1,069,000

Income Requirement: $267,250

Downpayment Needed: $213,800

Purchase Price: $380,000

Purchase Date: 11/26/1996

Address: 6002 Sierra Siena Rd Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,516
$/Sq. Ft.: $425
Lot Size: 6,783

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Traditional
Stories: 2
View: Park or Green Belt, Pool
Year Built: 1971
Community: Turtle Rock
County: Orange
MLS#: P695119
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 3 days

Turtle Rock Broadmoor Model G. Security gate and double door enty;
3-car garage. Fresh 2-toned painting, scraped ceilings. New
floorings-upgraded carpet and laminated wood. New vertical blinds.
Above-ground spa in backyard w/new cover. Downstairs master BR
w/remodeled master bath. new granite kitchen counter-top, stainless
steel sink w/GE range and dishwasher. Bonus/game room has a pool table
and antique light fixture. Brand new water heater w/earthquake straps
in garage. Overlooking community park and pool. Many upgrads, a
must-see!!

You know the housing bubble has not deflated yet when you still see homes sporting 300% gains in 13 years. A house should double in twenty not triple in thirteen. There is still a long way to go.

I am not sure how to close on a Friday now. The old catchphrase doesn’t feel right anymore.

I don’t know if this will become a tradition, but I will share an experience I had recently that sent me a message.

I was driving down to Laguna Beach last Sunday morning to meet a friend, have a cup of coffee and talk about life. On the way there, I passed a group of bikes clustered together in a tight pack. As I drove past, I could see one bike in the distance breaking away from the pack and peddling hard. I found myself asking, “Who was that guy?” Then, the more I reflected on it, I realized that I wanted to be that guy.

The message? Be your best and lead the way.

Open Thread 7-18-2009

Welcome to the weekend open thread.

I was directed to a realtor in Malibu who has been telling the truth about his local market, Rick Wallace.
I don’t know him, and I have no business relationship with him, and
this post is not compensated. He has written some good stuff, so I
thought I would share it with you.

Rick Wallace: Malibu’s Expert Realtor

The listing below is not one of his.

31634 SEA LEVEL Dr   MALIBU, CA 90265  entry

Asking Price: $9,295,000

Address: 31634 SEA LEVEL Dr MALIBU, CA 90265

I have Mr. Wallace’s permission to share some of his excellent work:

Real Estate Revolves Around Time and Money

Time is money. Money can buy time. In virtually every activity of our day, the choices we make involve a consideration of the cost in time and the cost in money.

The real estate market is founded on these two assets. In fact, all statistics to measure the marketplace involve those principles. During 2007, over the course of 12 months, for example, the median price of a home sale in Malibu was about $3 million. A measure of money over time.

Every individual makes decisions regarding real estate that involve the weight of time and money. That includes many who do not invest or ever buy a home. They are making a decision that the money they have, at least at that time, is not enough to purchase the asset they wish. Instead, they rent, and pay money to a landlord over time.

In negotiations, the weight of time and money is everything. The result of a negotiation, including one that ends with no deal, is the result of the two parties, separately and privately, measuring their time and money threshold and positioning themselves accordingly. A buyer can take their time to decide when to spend the money they have available, which is always in a state of flux, as long as, over time, the values are not moving away from their capability. If a buyer suddenly has extra funds, that may accelerate the moment of decision to pounce on the house or condo they desire.

Most interesting is the behavior of sellers in the real estate market, something I have been studying for my 21 years in the business. My final conclusion is that half the time sellers behave in a smart way. Half the time they are just plain stupid.

Of course, sellers do not know what is going to happen in the future. Nevertheless, the one universal truth of a person or party selling a home is they believe that time will probably work in their favor to bring the most money they can receive. Everyone believes that at first. But it is not always true. In good markets, it makes sense. When the prevailing trend is that the value of property is increasing, a person selling is confident that over more time, more money can be gained. More time equals more money.

When, then, does that person ever sell at all? The obvious reason, that they determine separately and privately, is that they do not have the luxury of time to wait. They need or want to sell soon for whatever private reason they may have – a job change, wanting to scale down, anxious to move to a different lifestyle. In the end, time is such a valuable asset; it trumps the potential of waiting for more money. It is an underrated and undervalued aspect of negotiation. Often, time is more valuable than money.

Hundreds of times, I have seen sellers sell a home for much less money than they should’ve. Or less than they COULD HAVE! How does that happen? It is because for much of the time, money is more important to them. Then, they change their value choice to a preference of time. This is the frequent behavior of a person who puts their house on the market at a ridiculous price, whether by ego, or stupidity or just mere wishing, and when it does not sell over a long time, suddenly they need or want to sell more badly.

The best deals a buyer can make are often from a seller that started too high in price and has lasted on the market a long time. To make up for lost time, that seller may give up the most money in the end. It is a quirky but inevitable fate. The cost of asking too much, unbeknownst to many sellers, is that they grow exhausted over time and their passion for money disappears in the end.

Sellers, before hitting the market, should make a decision of what is important to them, time or money. In the current market, which is clearly demonstrating lowering prices, many sellers HAVE TIME and do not need or particularly want to sell. They won’t, most assuredly. The money is more important and since they will not get the money they desire, they will make use of the time. Other sellers are in the opposite situation. They do not have time. And the longer they take, the less money they will get anyway. In a market like this, as I have advised my clients, the money you get NOW, no matter how disappointing it is, is still better than taking any more TIME, particularly if time is not a luxury. The money later will only be less and time will be lost.

{book2}

Gap widens between number of homes listed vs. homes sold

Realty in Malibu Ignores Reality

Many thousands of people would love to own a Malibu home. Hundreds inquire about the possibility every month. The sideline is packed full of wishful buyers. Malibu is the dream of multitudes who crave beauty, recreation and a small-town feeling for their lives, as well as the ultimate reward for accomplishment. Yet, in 2008, only about two homes per week sold here.

Despite the deep romantic chemistry between the public and our town, the transitive property of equality (if A = B, and B = C, then A = C) is ignored by many Malibu homeowners.

“A” is a real estate market that statewide and in the Los Angeles region has seen values drop more than 40 percent. “B” is the historically proven notion that realty trends in the region similarly occur in Malibu. “C” follows that Malibu is experiencing a 40 percent drop in real estate values, or more. Our town, however, has been in a long period of denial. The assumption of insulation from the market has been dominant. Many listings still come on the market at higher prices than were recently paid for the same house, as if a profit is still expected in this economy. Other listings sit for months with no offers.

The result: almost no marketplace at all; very few sales; a Malibu real estate industry with barely a pulse.

It is true that the lending and home value collapse had a delayed effect on Malibu, as well as on other high-end areas of Los Angeles. Now, however, every price range, including the revered upper-end, is suffering from a harsh lack of willing and able buyers. The discrepancy between the number of active buyers and sellers is large. Many in the industry and the town seem unwilling to face it.

I believe Malibu risks a much greater value decline than necessary unless price stabilization occurs sooner than later. Just as the individual who starts with an aggressively high asking price is often the most motivated seller later on, settling for a much lower than anticipated price, our market as a whole risks a greater decline in the long run because reality is disregarded in the short run.

Only 100 homes sold last year? This is more challenging than any market of the 1990s when we had a prolonged housing slump. Last year was probably the worst year for sales in Malibu history, with only about 2.5 percent of existing homes transacting. Yet many listings are currently priced as though year 2004 appreciation is still in effect when, really, a 2004 sales price now might be fortunate.

The marketplace requires that either a buyer have a good amount of cash, is taking a profit out of their recent home sale, or can get a large loan. All three sources are limited. Investment portfolios are diminishing, home equities have narrowed or been eliminated, and lending market requirements are anything but relaxed.

While banks are operating with the right hand making it thorny for anyone to get a loan, the left hand takes back more properties lost by sellers because buyers cannot get a loan. Only when prices are so low that lenders feel little risk left from the market will they go back to taking chances with borrowers.

That means that competitive pricing is vital. Before a real estate recovery can occur, let alone rising prices, some equilibrium needs to be established. Sales and value data need to be in place. Buyers and sellers (and Realtors) need to be working from some knowledge base. Our community lacks that simple guide at this time.

Individuals can never be expected to put their needs behind those of the community, but this is a time the stars are aligned. All of Malibu will benefit from smart sellers. The best advice now, I believe, is the same as during the past 18 months: “Mr. and Mrs. Homeowner, with values heading downward, you are better off selling sooner than later. And if you don’t need to sell, you are not getting any offers and you decide not to lower your price, it is probably not the right time to be competing in the already saturated market. Unless you’re willing to price your home with the growing number of short sale and foreclosure sale prices (the prices most buyers are watching), just sit back a few years and enjoy your lovely Malibu home.”

Prices are easily forecast for the next six to 12 months, if supply and demand trends are clear. In Malibu, when the annualized sales projection is equal to the current inventory of homes for sale, prices likely remain flat. In good times, yearly sales totals were in the 300s and the inventory was only about 150 homes for sale; prices were going skyward. But now, with a pace of 100 projected homes selling annually and 200 to 250 on the market, prices are guaranteed to keep going down. With the current discrepancy, it may be a steep drop.

Sellers have a choice of burying their heads in the 2006 sands, taking a 2002-2004 number now or looking at a lower, year-2000 price down the road. I hope Malibu’s retreat on the calendar is as brief as possible. Clarity of the market environment may help.

Conversely, Malibu in good cycles has grown in value exponentially better than the rest of the state. To illustrate, in 1972 the median value of a home in Malibu was twice that of the state. By 1990, it was three times greater. By 1997, it had gone up to four times the state median; recent years, five to six times. While prospects for the long term are fabulous for Malibu investors, at the moment the median asking price in Malibu is 14 times the state median sale price. I feel it is out of sync with reality.

Malibu real estate will always be the best that can be found, but this is a time to be cutting losses, not attempting gains. Malibu is not immune from the rest of the world; pricing needs to adapt to conditions. Those who realize this soonest will be rewarded, as will all of Malibu.

31634 SEA LEVEL Dr   MALIBU, CA 90265  entry

Asking Price: $9,295,000

Address: 31634 SEA LEVEL Dr MALIBU, CA 90265

Beds: 4
Baths: 4
Sq. Ft.: 3,035
$/Sq. Ft.: $3,063
Lot Size:
Property Type: Single Family Residential
Community: Malibu Beach
County: Los Angeles
MLS#: 09-349943
Source: TheMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 147 days

A brand new architectural showcase located on the beach on a desirable
gated street in Broad Beach area of Malibu. This ultra chic David Gray
designed masterpiece features four bedrooms, cement floors and
finishes, bi-fold doors opening to the ocean, walls of framed glass,
two fireplaces and impressive architectural details throughout. This is
truly the definition of “home as art”. Also for lease @$50,000/MO.

Well, if you can lease it for $50,000 and buy it for $9,295,000, the GRM is 185.9. That actually puts this property at rental parity — assuming someone would underwrite a $7,000,000 loan.

Date Event Price
Jun 17, 2009 Price Changed $9,295,000
May 30, 2009 Price Changed $9,950,000
May 06, 2009 Price Changed $10,750,000
Apr 08, 2009 Price Changed $12,500,000
Feb 21, 2009 Listed $15,000,000

Properties like this and in many special neighborhoods, the traditional math of cashflow valuation breaks down. Next week I am going to explore the reasons for this.

Open Thread 7-11-2009

If you want to see single-family detached homes trading below rental parity, you do not have to go far. This one in Tustin is just north of the District.

14802 Devonshire Ave   Tustin, CA 92780  pool

Asking Price: $449,900

Address: 14802 Devonshire Ave Tustin, CA 92780



But I’m a substitute for another guy
I look pretty tall but my heels are high
The simple things you see are all complicated
I look pretty young, but I’m just back-dated, yeah

Substitute — The Who

All methods of real estate valuation are based on the principal of substitution. A rational buyer — not that we have many of those — will not pay more for a property than a comparable property; instead, the buyer will “substitute” a comparable property for the one they truly desired.

For instance, this property (4592 Abbotswood Cir Irvine,
CA 92604
) being offered for $585,000, and this property (14862 RATTAN St Irvine,
CA 92604
) being offered for $580,000 are comparable in many ways to today’s featured property. Buyers looking to purchase in Irvine would probably prefer one of these two properties to today’s featured property because they are in Irvine; however, someone looking for properties of this type may substitute today’s featured property and save 25%.

Are the two Irvine properties really worth 25% more? Rental comps suggest there is a premium for the Irvine properties, but it closer to 5% than 25%.

This substitution effect is very real; in fact, it was a reader of this blog that contacted me to analyze today’s featured property. I was quite surprised to find it was trading 10% below rental parity.

The substitution effect is what causes people to commute from Corona or Rancho Santa Margarita or simply cross the city boundary into Tustin. It is the substitution effect that is going to drag down prices in Irvine.

There will always be a premium to live in Irvine. This premium is reflected in the high local rents (which someone will remind me are falling). This rental premium translates into a home price premium. The problem now is that this home price premium is still way too high relative to rents. That will change.

14802 Devonshire Ave   Tustin, CA 92780  pool

Asking Price: $449,900

Income Requirement: $112,475

Downpayment Needed: $89,980

Purchase Price: about $50,000

Purchase Date: A long time ago

Address: 14802 Devonshire Ave Tustin, CA 92780

Beds: 4
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,684
$/Sq. Ft.: $267
Lot Size: 6,000

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Other
Stories: 1
Year Built: 1968
Community: Tustin
County: Orange
MLS#: P693447
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 9 days

Tustin Meadows: Diamond In The Rough! This is the 4 bedroom, 2 bath,
2-car garage with built-in pool that needs your touch for remodeling
and best of all it is Priced To Sell. It has 1,684 square feet to make
your own. Brief walk to Centennial Park and the new Clubhouse being
built.

For a detailed analysis of this property including sales comps and rental comps to establish rental parity, please click on this PDF file

(IHB_Brokers Opinion_of_Value_14802_Devonshire_Ave_Tustin,_CA_92780.pdf)

How Are Irvine New Homes Priced?

An insiders view on the pricing policies and inner workings of the Irvine Company. This post is from multiple sources, but I claim no first-hand knowledge of what is written. I think you will find it interesting.

6 Lakeside Irvine, CA 92604  kitchen

Asking Price: $699,000

Address: 6 Lakeside #33 Irvine, CA 92604

Whether you’re a brother or whether you’re a mother,
You’re stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive.
Feel the city breakin’ and everybody shakin’, people,
Stayin’ alive, stayin’ alive.

Stayin’ Alive — Bee Gees

Have you ever wondered how prices on The Irvine Ranch evolved? Why are they higher than other Orange County communities? I have recently had long conversations with a few people familiar with the process, and today I am going to share it with you. Much of what is written below came from former company insiders who declined to be named for this post.

First, it may we worth reviewing Land Value 101 to provide a conceptual framework for how land is valued. Some of the concepts in this post build on the foundation of that one.

Land planning is a process whereby the elements of community are woven together in a framework that maximizes land value based on proximity to major sources of jobs. On the Ranch, The Irvine Company defines the lot sizes/density, product type, approximate price range, buyer profile, number of homes, etc. for each planning area (and parks, schools, etc.). Efforts are made to try to position the product array such that builders are not competing with each other head to head. That is part of the process of good land planning.

The Irvine Company selects a few builders to develop a line of floorplans, exteriors, financial proforma, etc. to be presented to TIC — at the builders expense. TIC project managers have a number in their mind as to what that financial proforma causes the price of the land to be and they work toward that end. It’s an easy formula that takes into consideration all the elements necessary, including builder’s overhead, their cost of financing, building materials, profit, etc. (see Land Value 101).

It’s no coincidence that the builders who present financial proformas with the highest residual land values are the ones selected. Rarely does design, style, excellence of architecture — except as a function of density — win out over high cost of land. Architectural competition becomes a race for higher density, not excellence in floorplan. But all the builders know if they don’t play the game, they won’t be invited to the party again, so they get creative with features such as bonus rooms, garage space conversions, spec levels, and other techniques. For more detailed information on this process, please visit our Architecture Forum.

Builder profits on the Ranch were often in the 4-6% range, if that (builders usually make 12% in a stable market). Building costs were a bit high, even early in the bubble, with the amenity level in homes on the Ranch, those costs were closer to $125-$145/sq.ft instead of the $85 found elsewhere. Sales staff (except for the custom lots) varied from builder to builder, but were either a flat rate (“box rate”) with small commissions for selling options ($50 for Air Conditioning, etc.) or up to.05%. The higher the sales price, the lower the commission. Sales managers were salaried (so came out of overhead) with bonuses. But even small builders rarely got anything close to 6% and that had to cover on-site people compensation (often without a draw), some level of management oversight, some level of advertising/marketing/sales training.

Back to the process…. Once the builders are selected, they close escrow on the land. In Woodbury, land prices got up to $5M/acre (see Land Value 101). A single family home on a 50 x 90 lot yields about 5 homes per acre when you take out streets, etc. So you begin with land cost of $1M, add overhead, materials, etc. to arrive at a final selling price.

Then, (it may be 2 years until they are ready to open for actual sales) before they can offer anything for sale, the builders must first present their individual lot prices (base prices and lot premiums) to TIC for review. The reason for this is that TIC, in addition to the price already garnered for the land, also participates in the builder’s profit when the home closes escrow with Joe Lunchbox/original consumer. Thus, in a rising market, TIC actually gets more for the land they sold 2 years ago.

In a declining market, the builders often make little or no profit, but they will be invited to The Irvine Company’s party again. Often builder’s profit levels are less than what they could achieve if the same money was invested in simple CD’s. To make the most of their investment in Irvine, they bought much less expensive land in Riverside, San Bernardino, Temecula, Arizona, etc. and used the same floorplans again, and again. But they were convinced that they needed a presence on the Ranch.

The builders did this because being on the Ranch brought in bus loads of developers from other companies and other states/countries and enhanced their image. Like in retailing — a loss leader — something you sell cheap hoping to make it up later. All those same builders built projects in Rancho Santa Margarita, Los Flores, Ladera Ranch, etc. Many of those projects debuted in Irvine.

Occasionally, the sequence was reversed; new product debuted in RSM, came into Westpark II at 12% higher prices. With all the same players; Standard Pacific, William Lyon, Brookfield, Richmond American, RGC, Baywood, K.Hovnanian, Taylor Woodrow…on and on. Same products, community specific themed exteriors, advertising, etc. We looked at community specific pricing and compared them — Irvine always came out on top — access to jobs locations was key (and still is). The theory was that a mid-level manager who worked in Irvine would travel a bit of a distance to buy what he perceived as a home nearly as nice as his boss who lived in Irvine. Therefore, price discounts were defined.

IMO, this process is a brilliant example of a powerful landowner leveraging their power to extract maximum profit out of the deal. The demand for housing puts pricing at a certain level, and The Irvine Company wants to extract whatever profit it can out of that demand. I wish I could set up a system whereby every new resident of Irvine gives me $400,000 cash profit (at least at the peak). That’s how you get a net worth of $12,000,000,000.

6 Lakeside Irvine, CA 92604  kitchen

Asking Price: $699,000

Income Requirement: $174,750

Downpayment Needed: $139,800

Purchase Price: $655,000

Purchase Date: 4/15/2007

Address: 6 Lakeside #33 Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,190
$/Sq. Ft.: $319
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary
Stories: 2
Floor: 11
Year Built: 1977
Community: Woodbridge
County: Orange
MLS#: P693353
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 3 days

PRIME WOODBRIDGE PROPERTY , WALK IN DISTANT TO BEAUTYFUL LAKE AND
SHOPPING CENTER , SCHOOLS, RESTAURANT, MASTER BEDROOM IS ON MAIN FLOOR
,OWNER HAS A R/E LICENSE

This property was purchased by a relocation company then deeded to the current owners. The owners put 20% down, so this does not look like it will be a short sale. Of course, they are asking for enough to make a profit, but I rather doubt this property has appreciated over the last two years.

Open Thread 7-4-2009

Happy 4th of July! I hope you are enjoying this wonderful holiday weekend.

I was featured this week at the Irvine Homes Blog (Blogger: Irvine housing market nowhere near bottom). I will expand on some of those questions in posts next week.

I had business at the Orange County Courthouse this week, and I got to witness some foreclosure auctions taking place. It is a fascinating process. I hope to go back with a video camera and capture some of the proceedings to display here.

It is a little strange when you walk up to the courthouse and you see this group of people huddled around an auctioneer. There are people walking in and out of the courthouse on other business, and the auction takes on a street-performer atmosphere, an unusual sideshow distraction.

I did hear from some experienced auction buyers that some of the professional players have pulled back from their activities recently. Apparently, we are not the only ones paying attention to the news of shadow inventory and ARM resets and recasts. The professionals know they are buying and selling in a declining market, and there is much fear that they will be caught holding inventory in a quick and merciless drop.

{book4}