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Your Buyer's Loan Terms

Over the last several years, buyers have not concerned themselves with the day they were going to become sellers. Why would they? There was an endless demand for properties, and buyers were going to pay whatever was asked. Those days are gone. They are not coming back any time soon.

In one of my first posts, I talked about Financially Conservative Home Financing. There has been much discussion on these boards about the high debt-to-income ratios and adjustable rate mortgage terms now required if you chose to buy in today's market. For anyone considering buying a home right now, I would like you to think about the buyer who is going to buy your home from you at some point in the future, and more specifically, what debt-to-income ratio and loan terms will this buyer utilize. This is important, because the amount of money this take-out buyer will pay you for your home is completely dependent upon these variables. Your house is only worth what your buyer can pay for it. For you to get out at breakeven or better, your take-out buyer must be leveraged more aggressively than you are, or you must wait for fundamental valuations to catch up to today's pricing. In this post, I will examine both scenarios, and I will present a range of valuations for homes based today's income and prospects for the future.

Fundamental Valuations

As a primer, please read How Inflated are House Prices? In that post I discuss a simple method to calculate a house's fundamental valuation. In short, 160 times the monthly rental rate is a useful number. The monthly rental rate can be calculated as follows: Median Income / 12 (months) x debt-to-income ratio = monthly payment = monthly rental rate. For example, in Irvine in 2006, the Median Income was $83,891 / 12 = $6,990 monthly median income. Financial planners (and your banker) will tell you not to put more than 28% of your gross income toward housing (Realtors will tell you to put 55% or more if that is what it takes.) Assuming a more rational 28% debt-to-income ratio, the median monthly payment (and thereby the median rent) is $1,957. Based in a 160 multiplier, the median house price should be $313,120 or 3.7 times earnings. Since the borrower should have a 20% downpayment, it can be argued that the median home price should be $375,744.

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So how does all the above compare to reality? The median rent in Irvine is $1,660. This is going to include many 1 and 2 bedroom apartments and very little at 4 bedrooms and above. The housing stock in Irvine is generally larger and nicer than the rental units, so a median house rental of $1,957 is probably not too far off. If you go to OCRealEstateFinder or FirstTeam and search for rentals, you will find what I would consider a median type property renting between $2,250 and $2,500 a month. This means that most Irvine renters are probably spending more like 35% of their gross income on housing instead of the suggested 28%. So if you recalculate the theoretical median based on $2,500 a month, the median home price should be $400,000; add a 20% downpayment, and the median could be as high as $480,000. The last statistics I saw for the Irvine median home price was $687,000: No reasonable metric can be constructed to justify that price.

Fundamental Value Table

As you can see from the discussion above, there is a range of values which can be used as a "reasonable" fundamental valuation. For the sake of simplicity, I am going to use $360,000 which is the number I used in the post Predictions for the Irvine Housing Market.

Debt-to-Income Ratios

The table below shows the impact of debt-to-income ratio on house price.

Debt To Income Table

As you can see, the current debt-to-income ratio in Irvine is 60.8%. Even if you assumed ever buyer is puttting 20% down (which is laughable), the DTI ratio is 50.1%. Remember this is gross income; as a percentage of take-home pay, the number is much higher. Will your buyer be willing to spend that much of their income on housing?

Amortization

The above table shows the DTI assuming a 30-year conventional mortgage. Only 20% of loan originations in Orange County were conventional mortgages in 2006. People have bid prices up using interest-only and negative amortization loans. The table below shows the impact of these loan terms.

Amortization Value Table

This is where the action is. There are many factors which contributed to this bubble, but it is the combination of these loans with Southern California’s Cultural Pathology that really made this bubble happen. The biggest gamble current buyers are taking is the availability of future financing options. If defaults continue to increase at the current rate, these products will likely be eliminated: the banks are losing to much money. Will these loan terms be available for your future buyer?

Interest Rates

Mortage interest rates on 30-year fixed rate mortgages with no points are running about 6.4%. This is about 20% less than the historical average of 8% for home mortgages.

Interest Rate Table

As you can see from the above table. The higher interest rates go, the less a borrower can finance utilizing the same payment. If interest rates go up from the current 6.4% to the normal 8%, buyers will be able to bid 15% less than previously; therefore, house values will decline 15% as a result. If interest rates spike to 10%, house values decline 30%. What will interest rates be when your buyer wants to buy your house?

Appreciation over Time

I will use an appreciation rate of 3% to reflect the normal growth of wages and rental rates. It can be argued that appreciation will be higher, but it can also be argued that Appreciation is Dead.

Appreciation Table

Fundamental valuations are directly tied to wage growth. How much money will the buyer of your house be making in the future?

Future Value Table

Pulling together all of the above variables is a challenge. Below is a table which attempts to do so. Please click on the table to enlarge.

Future Value Full Table

To make it easier to read and follow, I have broken down the above table into three sections based on the DTI ratio of your future buyer.

Future Value 28% DTI Table

The most likely scenario is that your future buyer will pay from the second column in the above table. A 28% DTI is not just advisable, it may become a limit imposed by lenders — liar loans and high DTI ratios cause defaults and may be eliminated. Interest rates will likely climb back to their 50-year historical average of 8%. Notice that today's median home price is not reached in the 29 years shown on this chart if interest rates rise.

Future Value 32.2% DTI Table

If you believe the "sun tax" is alive and well in Southern California, and you believe lenders will allow DTI's in excess of 28% in the future, future values may be found in the above chart. This DTI is what house renters are currently paying in Irvine.

Future Value 60.8% DTI Table

Of course, there are those who believe we have reached a permanently high plateau, and buyers will continue to either utilize exotic financing or put 60% or more of their income toward housing (You have to believe those things to think prices can appreciate from current levels.) If you believe these conditions will persist, or occur again in a future bubble, then the above chart is for you. Who knows, maybe those of us who buy at the bottom can sell at these prices at the top of the next bubble…

Don't get greedy.

Think about what terms and conditions your buyer will face, and you may save yourself a lot of problems today. Right now the market has been pushed up to unsustainable heights, and it will fall. Don't buy when the conditions are not favorable. If interest rates are low, debt-to-income ratios are high, and exotic financing is the norm, it is a bad time to buy. You want to purchase when credit is tight and values are depressed — this is coming soon. Be patient and wait for the conditions to be right because you want your buyer to buy from you when credit is loose and prices are inflated. Remember, your house is only worth what your buyer will pay for it.

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P.S. If you want to run this spreadsheet for yourself, below is a link. You can input your own income and house price assumptions and see what happens.

Buyer’s Loan Terms

Irvine's Woodbridge

Woodbridge is a large community in the heart of Irvine. Started in 1975 and completed in the early 1990’s, the community covers approximately four square miles bounded by Culver, Irvine Center Drive, Jeffrey and the 405. It is one of Irvine’s premier neighborhoods.

Woodbridge Map

Woodbridge is bisected into two residential segments, called North Lake and South Lake, by a broad stripe of retail, commercial and institutional development between Alton and Barranca. The lakes are between three and six feet deep and each is crossed by a large wooden footbridge, owing the village its name. A four-lane circular loop road, Yale Loop, runs around the interior of Woodbridge, connecting all its housing blocks and major streets. The village is walled off from the rest of Irvine by a row of pine trees and a continuous, 20-foot-high Privet hedge.

Yale Loop Home 2

In Great Streets by Allan B. Jacobs (MIT Press), Pinewood (street name) on the Northern edge of the village off of the Yale Loop, is cited as one of the great “new urban” streets. The houses of Yale Loop and the wall and hedge which surround the development act as a shield to disguise the high-density residential products which are situated between them.

Yale Loop Home 4

The design concept works very well. A casual observer seeing Woodbridge comes to believe the entire community is composed of large single family residential homes giving Woodbridge a high-end veneer.

Yale Loop Home 3

Woodbridge, for the most part, is uniformly designed in a New England Cape Cod style, creating a classical seaside village feel. Shed style houses are also abundant in Woodbridge.

Woodbridge Home 1

Even the more modest homes are very well maintained and show real pride of ownership.

Woodbridge Home 2

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Woodbridge Home 4

Woodbridge Home 3

Residents who really “know” Woodbridge will tell you there is a hierarchy of desirability radiating outward from the center. Neighborhoods closer to the lakes have larger homes and are more desirable. People in this area are the creme de la creme, and they defecate without odor.

Ducks on North Lake

Those who live outside the loop are the “wannabes” who really aren’t worthy of Woodbridge’s aura of greatness. You must pardon my facetious banter, but I was given a very similar description by a long-time resident. Interesting that even within one of Irvine’s best neighborhoods, the competition to put oneself above others is notable.

Woodbridge HELOC

A Lexus and a BMW. A HELOC perhaps? No, everyone in Irvine makes enough money to afford a big house and two luxury cars…Woodbridge Street 1

There are other attractive streets in Woodbridge…

Woodbridge Street 2

Woodbridge Street 3

Each one of Woodbridge’s lakes has a “beach club” next to it, where there is a “lagoon” (a sand-surrounded fresh-water swimming pool that empties into the lake), a dock facility to rent pedal boats, kayaks, canoes, sailboats, and hydro-bikes.

North Lake View 2

Swimming is prohibited in the lakes, but many people swim or fall off of their boats into the water. The beach clubs also have two volleyball courts each. South lake has a recreation room and a snack shop in it also, which is only open at certain times throughout the year.

Northlake Swim Area

There are also two “swim clubs,” Stonecreek and Bluelake, on each side of Woodbridge. These have lifeguards all day 10-10 during summer, and weekends 10-5 during the winter. Stonecreek has a two-meter diving board, and Bluelake has a one meter and a three meter diving board. The Woodbridge swim teams are based out of Stonecreek. Woodbridge is home to Woodbridge High School.

Woodbridge High School

Twenty-four tennis courts, twenty of which are lit for night play, pathways, bikeways, and a plethora of recreational parks within the four square miles make Woodbridge a community of interest to young families as well as retirees who enjoy outdoor activities. Its community tennis club regularly trains young players who are ranked in the first hundred in their USTA age group.

Woodbridge Tennis

There are four elementary schools (there used to be a fifth, an alternative school, Alderwood, which got moved to Quail Hill), two middle schools, and Woodbridge High School.

Woodbridge School 1

Woodbridge School 2

One of the weaknesses of Woodbridge is the lack of a strong commercial gathering place. There isn’t a suburban plaza in Woodbridge that is very successful. The Woodbridge Community Center has been recently renovated because many of the retail businesses left and have been replaced by high end office tenants.

Woodbridge Community Center

There are other successful retail centers in Woodbridge, but none with a good suburban plaza. The center on Jeffrey and Alton has a suburban plaza which is designed correctly to be successful, but it is across from the successful Oak Creek suburban plaza and for whatever reason, it has not done as well.

Woodbridge Community Center 2

In my opinion, the best public space in Woodbridge is the southern half of North Lake. This section of north lake is adjacent to the semi-successful community center, and it is connected with a walkway over Barranca Parkway.

North Lake 2

There is a unique children’s tot lot which juts out into the lake on the north side of the bridge. This play area is a bit unnerving when your children are very young because it is so close to the water, but when your children are a bit more self-sufficient, it is a great place to sit and enjoy the lake while they play nearby. (Notice the little girl chasing the ducks.)

North Lake 3

North lake is beautiful.

North Lake 4

Toy sailboating, anyone?

North Lake 5

The gazebo is the lakes focal point.

North Lake 6

Fine dining at the Waters.

North Lake 7

Canadian Geese…

North Lake 8

Children feeding the ducks…

North Lake 9

A framed view of the distant mountains.

Woodbridge Seniors

Woodbridge is a community of all ages.

Woodbridge Senior Center

The Senior’s Center is first rate.

South Lake

Don’t forget South Lake. It is nice too.

North Lake 1

South lake looking north from Yale Loop.

Woodbridge Gardens

A community garden plot place in a retention basin.

Woodbridge Activities

There is a wide variety of activities.

Woodbridge Park 1

There are a great many parks and pools…

Woodbridge Park 2

This one is heated year round.

Woodbridge Park 3

Woodbridge Park 4

Woodbridge Park 5

Woodbridge Park 6

Anyone play horseshoes?

Woodbridge Park 7

Woodbridge Park 8

Woodbridge Park 9

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Woodbridge Park 10

Woodbridge Park 11

Woodbridge Park 12

Woodbridge Park 13

My “Irvine” day was full of playing with the family between taking pictures. This style and quality of life is what makes Irvine such a unique place. I thoroughly enjoyed creating this community profile.

Irvine’s Woodbridge: a great place to live.

North Lake 10

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Hidden Woodbridge

Woodbridge North Lake

The City of Lights

Siene Kitchen

Asking Price: $899,000

Purchase Price: $897,000

Purchase Date: 7/5/2006

Address: 15361 Siene Circle, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 5IrvineRenter

Baths: 3

Sq. Ft.: 2,982

Lot Sq. Ft.: 7,995

Year Built: 1969

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family Residence

View: Park or Green Belt

Neighborhood: El Camino Real

$/Sq. Ft.: $301

MLS#: S484070

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 11 days

Redfin, Zillow

From Redfin, “Almost 8000 square feet lot in the center of Irvine. Prized end of cul -de-sac location backs up to greenbelt-lots of privacy!Park-like yard that includes a large patio with fire pit. Family room with fireplace, . No mello-roos, no HOA. Surroounded by greenbelt, park, & tennis courts. With nearby college & golf course. Newly remodeled with granite counter tops, new light fixtures, new carpet, travertine, and hardwood floor. New paint, sinks & faucets, new vinyle windows, scraped texture ceiling.”

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El Camino Real is one of the most “tractlike” neighborhoods in Irvine. There is a lack of parks, play areas and pools. It is probably the best value on a dollars-per-square-foot basis as there is little else to bring people to the neighborhood. As the description mentions, there are a few beltway greenspaces where they preserved the old windrows from the agricultural operation. Those neighborhood criticisms aside, this property is nice and updated albeit a bit old.

Siene River

Eiffel Tower at Sunset – Seine River, Paris

This property appears to be owned by a local realtor; either that or the owner coincidentally has the same name. This property is shown as one of her “featured listings” for $949,000. The property is empty, so it appears to be a flip that is bleeding cash. The seller has a first mortgage for $717,600 and a second for $89,700 through Countrywide. With a combined debt of $807,300 (and likely a 3% commission), the seller has some room to negotiate how much she is going to lose before this becomes a short sale. It doesn’t look like this flip will be financing any trips to Paris. Seine Circle is as close to the Siene as this seller will get.

Siene Painting

The Siene at Courbevoie – 1885, Georges Pierre Seurat

Whiner, Whiner, Whiner

Lakeview 2 Kitchen

Selling Price: $1,050,000

Selling Date: 4/18/2007

Purchase Price: $1,188,000

Purchase Date: 1/25/2006

Address: 25 Lakeview, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 4IrvineRenter

Baths: 3

Sq. Ft.: 2,500

Year Built: 1977

Stories: 2

Type: Condominium

View: Lake Front, Lake, Mountain, Panoramic

Neighborhood: Woodbridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $420

MLS#: S475949

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 71 days

Lakeview 2 View

Premiere property in the heart of Irvine: This flip should have been a no-brainer…

Perhaps you saw the following letter written by a local realtor published in the OC Register [italicized comments in brackets are mine]:

Late breaking letters: Media experts and the ‘coming’ real estate market crash

Posted, Wednesday afternoon, April 11

It was with great disappointment that I read the latest Jonathan Lansner diatribe on how the sky is falling as it pertains to the Orange County real estate market [“WhinerBoth Lansner and Schiff, as well as UCLA and Chapman College representatives have all been predicting the bursting of the real estate “bubble” year after year. They have all been consistently wrong and have probably cost the would-be homeowners, who held off due to these dire and inaccurate predictions, untold thousands of dollars in returns on a sensible real estate investment [so sensible the writer lost his a$$], and the subsequent appreciation (not to mention the significant tax deductions.)

For those foolish enough to listen to them, and who held off purchasing a home, it may be too late. Many will probably never be able to afford a home in Orange County [priced out forever, LOL] now thanks to the doom and gloomers. Particularly offensive was Schiff’s advice: “When everyone in real estate is waiting tables (or in jail) [ROFLOL] and your neighbors think you are crazy for even considering real estate, then it will be time to buy. [Peter Schiff is my new hero]” I have spent much of my life in Southern California real estate. I do my best to provide accurate advice and handle my clients with professionalism and courtesy. Schiff’s broad-brush stereotyping of thousands of hard-working real estate professionals reflects much more on his reputation than ours [Realtors are considered by the general public to be on a par with used car salesmen]. I still consider O.C. real estate an outstanding long-term investment [liar], and history unerringly proves me correct [except in the 90’s when it didn’t].

CrybabyThe primary cause of the recent (and temporary) slow down in this market, in my opinion, is due to the piling on of media and pundits that must feed the fears of their readers on a daily basis in order to stay in business [I feel so powerful. I and a few other bloggers ruined the market. LOL]. Schiff’s prediction of a 50 percent decrease in O.C. home values is beyond ridiculous [he is probably right on]. Despite what Schiff and other fear mongers predict, the law of supply and demand hasn’t stopped working and the whole world still wants to live in Orange County [The whole world wants to live here, LOL. This guy should do stand-up comedy. He managed to make every ridiculous kool-aid-drinkin’ bullish statement in one writing. Great stuff.].

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Boo Hoo, somebody call the whambulance; perhaps our crybaby realtor friend wants some cheese with that whine. When you read a diarrhetic thought stream like that you can’t help wondering if there is more to the story. There is.

Whambulance(Chuck Ponzi at Southern California Real Estate Bubble Crash wrote a great post concerning this letter.)

This letter to the editor was published one week before our realtor / failed flipper lost $138,000 plus commissions on the property above. He bought a great property in a great neighborhood (waterfront in Woodbridge) and still lost a bundle. Does it make you question the sincerity of his feeble assessment of the “recent (and temporary) slow down in this market?” If it was only temporary why is he dumping this property at a $138,000 loss? Did he write the letter above to generate business while his real opinion about the market shows in his actions? Do his actions speak louder than his words?

Besides being a whiner, what would you call him (I’ll give you a hint)?

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Ain’t that what you said?

Ain’t that what you said?

Ain’t that what you said?

Liar, Liar, Liar

Liar, Three Dog Night – 1971

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