I enjoy looking back on some of the nonsense and denial among the bulls. I came across this one recently: Was there a Housing Bubble?
If you can’t see a housing bubble in February of 2008, you are truly blind. Here is my favorite piece of analysis, “Prices will probably drop some more but personally I don’t expect to
ever again see index values around 110 (referring to Case-Shiller). Do you? If we don’t see the
massive drop back to “normal” levels then the run up in prices should
be described as a shift to a new equilibrium – much as happened during
World War II – see the chart. (It’s an important question to ask what
changed and why?). In the shift to the new equilibrium there was some
mild overshooting, especially due to the subprime over expansion, but
fundamentally there was no housing bubble.”
His argument or observation shows the wanton ignorance of real estate economics displayed by most purchasers during the bubble. He examines a chart showing a stable, 50-year trend in house prices, and makes the assumption that this is not based on fundamentals, and there is some new fundamental out there that is going to establish an equilibrium at some higher price level. He asks and fails to answer the key question “What changed?” The answer is a wild expansion of credit and a total abandonment of lending standards while simultaneously embracing unstable loan programs. In short, a bubble. His failure to recognize what happened is why he cannot fathom a price drop back to the fundamental price levels stable for the previous 50 years.
It reminds me of a bullish post I saw over at the OC Register Blog some time ago. One of the posters was chiding Peter Schiff by saying that anyone who predicts a 50% decline in home prices has lost all credibility because such a price decline was simply not possible. Oh really? I remember the indignation of the poster — or was it ignorance — I guess it is all the same for bubble bulls.
Let’s take a trip down memory lane. Tell us about the most ridiculous bullish comments you heard during the bubble, or post links to bullish articles and prognostications that have proven to be totally wrong.
I might be wrong I might be wrong I could’ve sworn I saw a light coming on
I used to think I used to think There was no future left at all I used to think
Open up, begin again Let’s go down the waterfall Think about the good times and never the bad Never the bad
What would I do? What would I do? If I did not have you
Open up and let me in Let’s go down the waterfall Have ourselves a good time, it’s nothing at all It’s nothing at all Nothing at all
Are the high-end homes in Irvine plated with marble? The asking prices would make you think so. Today’s featured property was purchased by a knife catcher at auction. No improvements have been done to the property — no marble — and now they want $260,000 for their efforts. Oh wait, they made no effort. They just want $260,000 just because. This is the kind of behavior that makes house prices unaffordable, and it is exactly the kind of behavior this market is going to crush out of existence.
There hasn’t been a home available in Bayside for over 2 years! The
largest and best floor plan in this much sought after tract is the
epitome of Standard Pacific form and function: spacious rooms, high
ceilings, and maximum use of interior spaces. This home features a
remodeled kitchen with a counter-height breakfast island and granite
surfaces; all new sliding doors and windows; and a private,
professionally hardscaped/landscaped backyard. Live and work in Irvine:
the top of the list of the safest towns in the U.S. and headquarters or
home to branch offices of many Fortune 500 companies. Play in Irvine:
the award-winning Village of Woodbridge is the center of life in Irvine
featuring 2 lakes and beaches, 31 parks, 23 pools, 2 tennis clubs,
bicycle and walking paths, and a bustling Recreation Center. Learn in
Irvine: among the highest rated elementary, middle, and high schools in
California and home to University of California Irvine.
There hasn’t been a home available in Bayside for over 2 years! Then why did it go so low at auction?
Does that description read like it was purchased by an out-of-towner? My sources tell me it is owned by First Pacific Properties, LLC, whoever that is. Perhaps it is a new vulture fund catching its first knife. They obviously have not been watching the prices of nearby comparable properties. Many people have commented on 4 Rainstar. It is arguably a superior property, and they are asking $999,000 after a long series of price drops:
Date
Price
Mar 02, 2008
$1,299,000
Mar 25, 2008
$1,275,000
Apr 06, 2008
$1,250,000
Apr 13, 2008
$1,225,000
Apr 20, 2008
$1,199,000
Apr 24, 2008
$1,149,000
May 02, 2008
$1,124,000
May 16, 2008
$1,099,000
Jun 06, 2008
$1,049,000
Jun 14, 2008
$1,039,000
Jun 20, 2008
$1,029,000
Jun 27, 2008
$999,000
On the other side of South Lake, there is 7 Bayporte. It is a very similar property, and it is listed at $1,025,000.
So the comps are around $1,000,000 and dropping fast, but somehow this property has gained $260,000 in value. WTF? I cannot get my mind around what these guys are thinking. Plus, since their own auction purchase is going to set the ceiling of financing value, lenders will likely only loan 80% of the
$890,046 purchase price. In other words, the purchaser of this property will need to ignore the neighborhood comps and put up $437,863 of their own money to close the deal. I don’t think that is going to happen.
If these guys recognize their error quickly, they might be able to sell this and still make a small profit. If they priced it at $950,000 today, some other knife catcher might pay it and bail them out of this deal. With the rate prices are dropping, they probably have a three to six month window before they go underwater, less if they are paying a full commission. I will watch this one. I suspect we can all get a major schadenfreude fix out of it.
BTW, there is an interesting subplot to this property. How did a property that was purchased for $720,000 go into foreclosure and get auctioned at $890,046? You guessed it, mortgage equity withdrawal. Over the course of 5 years or ownership, the previous owners took out $377,000. Option One Mortgage ate the loss.
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And comb your hair I carry you Down the stairs
I wanted to see right through From the other side I wanted to walk a trip With no end in sight
The moment we believe that we have never met Another kind of love, it’s easy to forget When we are all alone and waiting for some treat We have a thing in common, this was meant to be
You close my eyes And soothe my ears You heal my wounds And dry my tears
On the inside of this marble house I grow And the seeds I slow Grow persistant too
Do you get the impression from the behavior of speculators and HELOC abusers that it isn’t their problem? I do. Today’s featured property was bought in 2005, the equity was quickly extracted right up to the peak, and now that prices are dropping, the speculator is simply walking away. It isn’t his problem anymore, it is the problem of Residential Mortgage and Investment, Inc. or whatever CDO the loan was packaged into.
Day after day, we document lenders taking huge losses. It is not the kind of thing that promotes a loosening of credit and increasing prices. Yet there are still people trying to flip houses (a post for another day, perhaps.) WTF? Do people have so little understanding of credit markets that they believe lenders are suddenly going to go back to the practices of the bubble? Faced with daily huge losses causing unprecedented price declines, lenders will become more restrictive of credit — much more. Either that or they will go bankrupt (I am still waiting on Countrywide, IndyMac, Downey and WAMU.) Prices will fall to the point where people can afford to buy houses with a conservative percentage of their income because lenders will require it. The days of DTIs in excess of 28% may return again someday, but not until that becomes the standard for quite a while. Lenders will retreat to this level because they know people can really afford that. That will become the standard until people stop defaulting. People are going to continue to default until prices stop declining and they stabilize at affordable levels. That is just the way credit markets work.
Many people fueled the market rally with a frenzy of fear buying. Fear
of being priced out of the market, and fear of missing the great
profits to be made through home ownership. Those who did not participate by wanted to
became the stereotypical “bitter renters.” These
people were bitter because they believed the nonsense of kool aid
intoxication, and they believed that they missed their chance. Of course, over the last year,
many of these people got their chance and became knife catchers.
Today’s featured song encapsulates the feelings people had toward
houses and those who owned them — they were so high above them. The
bitter renters were jealous and felt unworthy. Little did they know…
Dr. Housing Bubble has an ongoing series he calls “Real Homes of Genius.”
He profiles really awful properties in bad neighborhoods going for
ridiculous prices. There is an intuitive revulsion from seeing these
properties and the prices attached. It does not take a sophisticated
financial analysis to recognize the housing bubble when viewing these
properties. We don’t have any run down properties of that sort in
Irvine, but I remember having the same revulsion when I would
see 1 bedroom condos going for over $400,000. I don’t care how used to
bubble prices you get, when you see tiny condos going for $400,000, the
mind simply cannot grasp it. These prices were just wrong. No amount of
kool aid could drown out the doubts about the prices of these units. Of
course, the people who bought these units almost exclusively used 100%
financing, so it didn’t really matter what they paid, and they did not
care. It wasn’t their money. An Option ARM with a 1% teaser rate made
owning one of these cheaper than renting, and in due time, it would be
selling for millions. Even if it didn’t, any losses would be someone
else’s problem — which is where we are now. Today’s featured property is a simple 100% financing deal gone bad. It is the collapse of prices at the low end of the market like this one that are serving as a drag on market prices, and they will continue to do so until we reach the bottom.
Spacious And Rare One Bedroom Condo with No One Below Or Above.
Attached One Car Garage, Hardwood Floors, Granite, Plantation Shutters
on All Windows, Rare Spacious Dinning Room, Office/Den Attached to
Bedroom, Inside Laundry Room, Fireplace. Located in Northwood Community
Near Market Place and Shops.
Why Use Title Case?
Spacious And Rare… Rare Spacious… That description is common and vacuous.
If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, First Franklin stands to lose $128,094 — on a 1 bedroom condo. As a side issue, if someone would like to investigate, it appears as if the seller brought in a straw buyer last summer. The property records are a bit confusing.
When you see properties like this one, it isn’t too difficult to see how prices were bid up to such ridiculous levels. During The Great Housing Bubble, you did not need to have verifiable income or good credit to qualify for 100% financing loans. In short, anyone could get as much money as they wanted simply by asking. Nobody would put any of their own money into a $410,000 one-bedroom condo, but if the lenders are giving it away and making the payment very, very small, why not? Properties like this one when it sold in 2005 made someone a lot of money. That person probably took those profits and bought a larger, nicer property. This pushed up the prices of the next tier of houses. As each move up was fueled by a combination of equity and loose financing terms, prices were pushed up very high. It also isn’t too difficult to see how this process can work in reverse.
People buying properties today are making one simple bet: credit will loosen again soon. I discussed this idea in the post Your Buyer’s Loan Terms. Incomes do not support peak price levels or even current price levels. The only way to keep prices inflated is through unstable credit terms. Credit is clearly more restrictive than it was during the bubble. If credit loosens up again, people will bid up prices and kool aid intoxication will grip our society. The problem with the “bet” today’s buyers are making is that credit is not going to loosen again any time soon. The lenders are still losing money even on loans they made after the credit crunch took hold (see yesterday’s post.) Credit will not loosen again until lenders stop losing money for an extended period of time. So far, they haven’t been able to write loans that don’t go bad quickly. Credit will continue to tighten until they can, and that will not occur until prices are so low people can truly afford the properties. We are not there yet.
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She’s blood, flesh and bone No tucks or silicone She’s touch, smell, sight, taste and sound
But somehow I can’t believe That anything should happen I know where I belong And nothing’s gonna happen Yeah, yeah
(Chorus): ‘Cause she’s so high… High above me, she’s so lovely She’s so high… Like Cleopatra, Joan of Arc, or Aphrodite She’s so high… High above me
First class and fancy free She’s high society She’s got the best of everything
What could a guy like me Ever really offer? She’s perfect as she can be Why should I even bother?
(Repeat Chorus)
She comes to speak to me I freeze immediately ‘Cause what she says sounds so unreal
But somehow I can’t believe That anything should happen I know where I belong And nothing’s gonna happen Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah She’s So High — Tal Bachman
Watch out for the raging bull market! Like a matador, you will need to dodge the stampeding bulls as they put in multiple offers over the ask. The matador kills the bull in the end. The market will do the same. There is still a lot of bullishness in today’s market, despite the obvious signs of a catastrophic price collapse. The bullish behavior is a sign that we are nowhere near the bottom, for as many authors and songwriters have noted, “only fools rush in where angels fear to tread.”
Over the weekend, there was a brief discussion of contrarian thinking and investment. I will buy when market sentiment is very negative as will many who come to this blog. There is a huge difference in that kind of contrarian behavior and that being displayed by the knife catchers of today’s market. To believe that a market will suddenly change directions when fundamentals do not support prices and momentum is strongly downward is not contrarian thinking, it is just plain foolishness. When our housing market really does bottom out, market sentiment will be very bearish. Nobody will be drinking the kool aid and believe in rapid price appreciation and people who buy homes will be looked on as being foolish. Of course, when fundamentals of price and rent are in alignment, the purchase will not be foolish, it will be financially prudent not because of rapid appreciation but because it saves money versus renting. Right now, buyers really are foolish, but public opinion doesn’t realize this yet. Once public opinion embraces the foolishness of buying real estate, we will be near the bottom. Until then, expect to see each property that leads the market lower to attract multiple offers and enter escrow quickly. As Forrest Gump noted, “Stupid is as stupid does.”
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convenient location!! Near shopping, parks and Irvine award winning
schools. Highly desirable open floor plan. Custom paint. Cozy living
room fire place. Recessed lighting in all hall way areas. Hard wood
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Notice they forgot the granite when putting in the pergraniteel.
Quiet, peaceful and
convenient location!! I call BS on that one. This property is within 100 yards of the 405.
How many exclamation points can you count?
Remember when many of the properties we profiled were 100% financing deals gone bad? Those are still out there, but I have been seeing so many HELOC abuse properties lately that I can’t help but cover them. Today is another sad story of a couple who drank the kool aid and spent their house. Perhaps they will reflect on this fact while they are in their new rental…
The property was purchased on 4/11/2000 for $262,000. They put 5% down ($13,100) and borrowed $248,900.
On 8/1/2001 they sipped the kool aid with a $255,000 refinance.
On 2/7/2003 they refinanced for $252,000. At this point, kool aid intoxication had not taken over.
On 8/15/2003 they refinanced for $308,000. Yummy kool aid…
On 12/18/2003 they opened a $20,000 HELOC.
On 11/20/2004 they refinanced for $368,000. The kool aid was free flowing.
On 5/3/2005 they took out a $50,000 HELOC.
On 11/2/2006 they opened a stand-alone second for $140,000.
On 10/4/2007 they refinanced for $545,000. That was only 8 months ago. Did they make any payments?
The total mortgage equity withdrawal is $296,100. They only put $13,100 of their own money into the deal.
One of these days, I am going to put the cash outflows and inflows into an Excel spreadsheet and calculate the internal rate of return on their “investment.” The money was stretched out over 7 years, but the amount they got relative to the amount they invested was pretty good. Of course, their credit is trashed, but they will never again in their lives find an investment that pays like that one did. The lingering memory of all that easy money is what keeps the bulls (fools) rushing in to deals like this one.
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The crowd is waiting for the bullfight Matador My final fight the place is packed once more But Anita won’t throw me a rose this fight The one she wears is not for me tonight
She’s watching now with her new love I know Walk proud and slow Be strong and sure give the crowd a show They want blood you know! You’re still their idol as you were before Kill just one more! Remind Anita, you’re the greatest Matador
The time has come, forget Anita in the stands Be a tall and strong and brave and noble man Be better than you’ve never been before Make this your greatest moment Matador
She’s watching now with her new love I know Walk proud and slow Be strong and sure give the crowd a show They want blood you know! You’re still their idol as you were before Kill just one more! Remind Anita, you’re the greatest Matador The Matador — Johnny Cash