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Surrender

Surrender — Cheap Trick

Sometimes you just have to surrender to the absurdities in life. Despite my efforts to figure it out, the housing bubble, and the behavior of the people who participated in it, is simply unfathomable. Mommy’s alright, Daddy’s alright, they just seem a little weird.

Today’s featured property is another in our endless series on HELOC abuse. Another day, another homeowner who spent themselves out of house and home…

6 Tahoe Kitchen

Asking Price: $699,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $158,750

Downpayment Needed: $174,975

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,832

Purchase Price: $279,500

Purchase Date: 11/9/1999

Address: 6 Tahoe, Irvine, CA 92612

REO

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,684
$/Sq. Ft.: $261
Lot Size: 2,820

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Other
Year Built: 1975
Stories: 2 Levels
View: Park or Green Belt
Area: University Park
County: Orange
MLS#: S539280
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 2 days

Oustanding location behind The University Park, this desirable 4
bedroom Parkcrest home has a separate living room, dining room and
family room. All bedrooms are large and upstairs. Both the master
bedroom and master bath are huge with tall vaulted ceilings. Property
is slightly dated and needs some work.

Oustanding? The realtor couldn’t be bothered to spell the first word correctly. Hmmm…

Property
is slightly dated and needs some work? Apparently, they did not spend all the HELOC money on upgrades.

The previous owners of this property took out a bit of money:

  • The property was purchased on 11/9/1999 for $279,000. They borrowed $276,500 and put a whopping $3,000 down.
  • On 5/29/2002 they had their first sip of kool aid with a $330,000 refinance.
  • On 8/14/2003 they refinanced again for $408,000.
  • On 5/5/2004 they refinanced again for $500,000.
  • On 7/25/2005 they refinanced again for $588,000 with a stand alone second for $73,500.
  • Total property debt is $661,500 which explains the asking price.
  • Total mortgage equity withdrawal was $385,000

Look at the pattern. First they took out about $50,000 when they got their first taste of kool aid. They must have liked it because they withdrew $100,000 a year for the next 2 years followed by a $150,000 withdrawal. They must have had a good time. How do you blow $385,000 in 4 or 5 years and have nothing to show for it? I wonder how they are doing now that they have bad credit, and they have to get used to living on their wages. Oh, the horror of it…

This property is REO, and it appears the Bank of New York Asset Backed
Pass Through Certificate is trying to get their money back. They have
priced this thing to recover all their capital. Good luck with that.
There is a reason they picked it up at auction for $524,800 — That is
all it is worth it today’s market. I guess they have their loss
mitigation procedures to follow. This one will see some serious price
reductions to find the market.

Are you starting to see just how prevalent this behavior was? Can you see now why we had such a booming economy during the bubble? For those who think our local economy will be OK, explain to me how the loss of all that consumer spending will not have a major impact.

Thus concludes another week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

🙂

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Mother told me, yes, she told me I’d meet girls like you.
She also told me, “Stay away, you’ll never know what you’ll catch.”
Just the other day I heard a soldier falling off some Indonesian junk that’s going round.

Mommy’s alright, Daddy’s alright, they just seem a little weird.
Surrender, surrender, but don’t give yourself away, ay, ay, ay.

Father says, “Your mother’s right, she’s really up on things.”
“Before we married, Mommy served in the WACS in the Philippines.”
Now, I had heard the WACS recruited old maids for the war.
But mommy isn’t one of those, I’ve known her all these years.

Mommy’s alright, Daddy’s alright, they just seem a little weird.
Surrender, surrender, but don’t give yourself away, ay, ay, ay.

Whatever happened to all this season’s losers of the year?
Ev’ry time I got to thinking, where’d they disappear?
When I woke up, Mom and Dad are rolling on the couch.
Rolling numbers, rock and rolling, got my Kiss records out.

Mommy’s alright, Daddy’s alright, they just seem a little weird.
Surrender, surrender, but don’t give yourself away, ay, ay, ay.

Away.
Away.

Surrender — Cheap Trick

Deer, Wood You Spend The House, Please.

Money, Money, Money — ABBA

I find HELOC abuse stories fascinating in a train-wreck sort of way. I like to try to imagine the thought processes and belief system that would allow someone to do something so incredibly foolish. Spending your home equity is not a one-time event that could be the result of a single, rash decision, it is the cumulative effect of numerous bad decisions made over a long period of time. Each refinance or equity extraction was the result of a rational thought process with some deliberation. The fundamental belief must be that house prices always go up, therefore additional equity will always be available to spend. If you didn’t believe that, you might pull the money out to screw the lender, but you wouldn’t do it knowing it might cause you to lose your house. The second fundamental belief must be that interest rates and payments will always decline. When you take on more debt, you have to make larger payments to service it, unless of course, you continually refinance with an adjustable rate mortgage in a declining interest rate environment. It is possible some of these people believed their income would rise to make the larger payment as well, but the overriding belief had to have been that low interest rates and serial refinancing would always be available. All of these beliefs are wrong, and the market is driving this point home (literally) right now.

It is the end-game planning I can’t quite get my head around. When was this supposed to end? If people are perpetually spending their equity increases as income, when they finally sell the home, they have no equity. I suppose if you really believed house prices always go up, the house could serve as a perpetual breadwinner that would provide income for retirement and beyond. I guess it really doesn’t make much sense to rent when you can buy a house for no money down and live off the appreciation forever. Did people really believe that was possible? If you look at the behavior of HELOC abusers like today’s featured property owners, you would have to conclude they believed all of those absurd things, and so did a great many others in California as well.

7 deerwood outside 7 deerwood kitchen

Asking Price: $675,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $158,750

Downpayment Needed: $135,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,625

Purchase Price: $465,000

Purchase Date: 1/8/2004

Address: 7 East Deerwood, Irvine, CA 92604

Short Sale

Beds: 4
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 2,125
$/Sq. Ft.: $318
Lot Size: 5,400

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Farm House
Year Built: 1976
Stories: 1 Level
View: Trees/Woods
Area: El Camino Real
County: Orange
MLS#: S535656
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 30 days

Highly desirable one story single family home in great area of
Dierfield Park. Lots of upgrades including best quality new roof. New
tiles and baths with marble shower areas & glass doors, new
cabinets & granite tops. Top of the line kitchen appliances &
granite counters, recessed lighting. Marble family room fireplace. New
garage door, solid wood front door. Close to park, association pool
& play ground. You can enjoy 6 assoc pools, spas, tennis courts,
picnic areas & etc. No Mello Roos, low tax, and only $45
association dues. Walk distance to award winning schools. just a few
minutes to 5 & 405 freeways. It’s in the heart of Irvine, close to
shopping centers, movie theaters, restaurants, day care & schools.
You will enjoy this beatiful quiet area.

Dierfield? beatiful?

How do you like the staging of the photographs? You can just imagine the realtor showing up with some plants to try to hide the mess. Is it too much of a bother to clean up the place before taking pictures for the MLS?

This one requires the bullet-point recap:

  • On 1/8/2004 the property was purchased for $465,000 with a $372,000 first mortgage, a $46,500 second mortgage and a $46,500 downpayment.
  • On 3/11/2004 the owners opened a HELOC for $92,000 and withdrew all their downpayment plus another $45,500.
  • On 9/20/2004 they refinanced with a $552,000 first mortgage.
  • On 8/16/2005 they opened a HELOC for $38,000.
  • On 12/8/2005 they opened a HELOC for $150,000.
  • On 6/8/2006 they refinanced with an Option ARM for $650,000 and a second mortgage of $115,000.
  • Total property debt of $765,000.
  • Total mortgage equity withdrawal of $393,000 over a 2 1/2 year period.

Those owners were livin’ large for a few years there. I wonder how they are adjusting to life without free money…

For the record, if this place sells for its asking price (doubtful), the total loss on the property will be $130,500 after a 6% commission. One interesting note: the second mortgage being wiped out is listed as being insured by either Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae. No wonder there is talk about having to bail them out.

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I work all night, I work all day, to pay the bills I have to pay
Aint it sad
And still there never seems to be a single penny left for me
Thats too bad
In my dreams I have a plan
If I got me a wealthy man
I wouldnt have to work at all, Id fool around and have a ball…

Money, money, money
Must be funny
In the rich mans world
Money, money, money
Always sunny
In the rich mans world
Aha-ahaaa
All the things I could do
If I had a little money
Its a rich mans world

A man like that is hard to find but I cant get him off my mind
Aint it sad
And if he happens to be free I bet he wouldnt fancy me
Thats too bad
So I must leave, Ill have to go
To las vegas or monaco
And win a fortune in a game, my life will never be the same…


Money, Money, Money
— ABBA

Options, Options, Options

Failure’s Not An Option — Chamillionaire

The old adage in real estate is location, location, location. During the Great Housing Bubble, location and quality really didn’t matter much. It all came down to financing and the options it created. 100% financing gave all buyers a “Call” option on real estate. If the price went up, they got to keep all the money, and if it went down, the losses were passed on to the lender. 100% refinancing gave all owners a “Put” option on real estate. If the property went down in value, they had already extracted all their equity, so again the risk was passed on to the lender. Of course, the real bonanza for speculators was the Option ARM. This gave speculators a way to drastically reduce the carrying costs on their speculative investment. Many could even rent the property out for positive cashflow, particularly if they used a 1% teaser rate like today’s speculator. With all the incentives favoring speculative betting in the housing market, it is really any wonder people got a bit carried away? Is it any wonder lenders are now expected to lose $1,600,000,000,000? (That is $1.6 Trillion.)

129 Roadrunner Kitchen

Asking Price: $639,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $159,750

Downpayment Needed: $127,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,325

Purchase Price: $815,000

Purchase Date: 3/15/2006

Address: 129 Roadrunner, Irvine, CA 92603

Short Sale

Beds: 2
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,600
$/Sq. Ft.: $399
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 2004
Stories: 1 Level
View: Mountain
Area: Turtle Ridge
County: Orange
MLS#: L26457
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 45 days

ATTN INVESTORS!! PRE-FORECLOSURE!!!PLAN 4 !!!!OVERLOOKING THE
CANYON/MOUNTAINS, VERY QUIET AND SERENE LOCATION. OPEN PLAN LIVING ROOM
/ DINING ROOM AND A SEPARATE DEN/OFFICE. 2 BEDROOMS, MASTER BED HAS A
WALK IN CLOSET, SEPARATE BATH & SHOWER,BOTH BEDROOMS OVERLOOK THE
CANYON.LAUNDRY ROOM.WOOD FLOORS IN LIVING AREAS AND CARPET IN BEDROOMS.
KITCHEN HAS MEDIUM WOOD CABINETS, FORCED AIR AND HEAT, SECURITY SYSTEM.
PARK AND SCHOOLS NEARBY!!

ATTN INVESTORS!! Here is your opportunity to prove you have no idea what you are doing. Someone needs to buy this overpriced property before the lender losses any more money. HURRY!!!

Note the increasing number of exclamation points as the realtor got excited at the beginning of the description.

Don’t be surprised if this property gets multiple offers over the asking price. After all, this is Turtle Ridge, and properties there are immune to price declines — except perhaps for this one that has declined 20%…

If this property sells for its asking price, the lender stands to lose $214,340 after a 6% commission. The seller didn’t use 100% financing at first, but after 30 days, she opened a third mortgage and extracted her downpayment plus $2,000. She won’t lose anything other than her good credit.

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Do it do it
Do it do it
Do it do it
Ain’t got to tell you I’m the truest (Truest Truest)
You better tell them i’m the truest (Truest Truest)
You better tell them i’m the truest (Truest Truest)
You better tell them i’m the truest (Truest Truest) everyday AY

Top stay dropn my trunk stay poppn
Now turn the speakers up and the beat stay knockn
Blades stay chopn and the groupies stay boppn
Pull up to the curb all the ladies they just hoppn

Hmm the Northside body rockn (Northside)
Hmm the Southside body rockn (Southside)
Hmm we got the whole world rockn
Dont have to see a victory cause failures not an option

I keep a ear to the street u can see im eves droppn
They talkn bout my buzz tryn to picture me floppn
Under ground ruler wreck on every beat knockn
Gobble gobble all the green so they call me green goblin

Failure’s Not An Option — Chamillionaire

Is It Your Typee?

Type – Living Colour

The distress that used to be concentrated at the low end of the market is starting to show in more expensive properties. On Friday, we profiled Heroes of the Potomac a property that went for almost $1,000,000 at the peak. Today’s featured property is a large, five-bedroom home in Northwood. It is REO, and it is sold at auction for almost 20% less than its 2004 purchase price.

13755 Typee Way Inside

Asking Price: $699,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $174,750

Downpayment Needed: $139,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,825

Purchase Price: $729,000

Purchase Date: 10/12/2004

Address: 13755 Typee Way, Irvine, CA 92620

REO

Beds: 5
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,587
$/Sq. Ft.: $270
Lot Size: 5,662

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Traditional
Year Built: 1970
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: S537614
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 12 days

Beautiful executive pool home. 5 Bedroom 3 Bath two story single family
home. Lovely hardwood floors, cozy fireplace in living room, bonus
room, wet bar and a loft. No Association dues or Mello Roos. Perfect
for Entertaining!

Do people who live in Irvine really do that much entertaining? Is every house an entertainer’s house?

Why only 3 pictures, and why are they so bad? Do the realtors not care either?

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It this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss will be $71,940. That doesn’t sound like much, but when 2004 purchases start yeilding six-figure losses, where does that leave everyone who purchased after that?

BTW, the credit crunch is getting a bit crunchier. Indymac is stopping lending and laying off staff. Much of Irvine is Alt-A loans, many of which were issued by Indymac. Anyone hoping to refinance an Indymac loan will have to go elsewhere.

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Stereotype
Monotype
Blood type
Are you my type?
Minimalism
Abstract expressionism
Postmodernism
Is it?

We are the children of concrete and steel
This is the place where the truth is concealed
This is the time when the lie is revealed
Everything is possible, but nothing is real

Corporate religion
Televangahypnotism
Suffer till you die
For the sweet-bye-and-bye
Science and technology, the new mythology
Look deep inside
Empty

We are the children of concrete and steel
This is the place where the truth is concealed
This is the time when the lie is revealed
Everything is possible, but nothing is real

Everything that goes around
Comes around

Hypothetical
Theoretical
Circumstantial evidence
Irrelevance
Dont think twice
Just roll the dice
Pay the price
Snake eyes

Type – Living Colour

Option ARM Hell

Mercy — Duffy

By now most of you have seen the revised Option ARM reset schedule.

There is one more variable that this schedule does not capture, and neither does the ARM reset schedule: people who give up early. Being trapped in a property you cannot sell is torture. You just want to be released from your obligations and go about your life. Begging for mercy probably doesn’t help much, but it might make some of these sellers feel better.

Today’s featured property is an Option ARM holder who gave up early.

Asking Price: $389,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $97,250

Downpayment Needed: $77,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $3,241

Purchase Price: $443,000

Purchase Date: 5/19/2008

Address: 8 Eastmont #46, Irvine, CA 92604

Short Sale

Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,088
$/Sq. Ft.: $358
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 1978
Stories: 1 Level
Area: Woodbridge
County: Orange
MLS#: P640539
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 32 days

Gourmet Kitchen Award

THIS COZY CONDO HAS UPGRADED WITH NEWER GOURMET KITCHEN WITH GRANITE
COUNTER AND NEWER STAINLESS STEEL OVEN, DISHWASHER, REGRIGERATOR FOR
YOUR BUYERS. WARM DESIGNER COLOR PAINT THROUGHOUT. HURRY!!!PRICED TO
SELL QUICKLY

Gourmet Kitchen and pregraniteel.

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Today’s sellers are going to lose their own money. They put 20% down ($88,600) and took out an Option ARM for $354,400 with a 1% teaser rate. As one might imagine, they likely made only the minimum payment, and now they are hoping to sell for enough to pay off the debt and a commission. If they get their asking price and pay a 6% commission, they stand to lose $77,340. Assuming they have added almost $11,000 to their loan balance during the period of ownership, this sales price reflects the minimum they need to salvage their credit. Their downpayment is lost.

Both of this chart and the Option ARM reset chart are very ominous, and they show the tentative schedule of the disaster in our housing markets. However, the whole ARM reset issue is more complex than either chart makes apparent. Most people when they read the chart assume that houses will hit the market on the same schedule. This is an overly simplistic reading. Some people, like today’s featured owners, give up early. Some people, will try to make the new payment for an extended period of time before they give up. Some people will make the new payment and keep their houses. All of the people who give up, will go through a foreclosure process (which they can drag out) before the property is sold at auction and finally added to the MLS inventory. I have outlined this whole process before. It takes almost a year from reset to final sale.

What is really important is not when the ARM resets, but when the property is added to available inventory. As we have seen with the lenders slowly adding their REOs to the market, prices do not get hammered until the REOs are actually put up for sale. We are starting to see more REOs on the market, and the process will likely accelerate this fall and winter. We will probably see another big drop then. It is hard to say when we will see a bottom, but it doesn’t seem likely that there will be any sustained appreciation before 2012-2014.

The Gods of the market have no mercy…

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I love you
but i gotta stay true
my morals got me on my knees
I’m begging please stop playing games

I don’t know what this is
cos you got me good
just like you knew you would

I don’t know what you do
but you do it well
I’m under your spell

Chorus
You got me begging you for mercy
why won’t you release me
you got me begging you for mercy
why won’t you release me
I said release me

Now you think that I
will be something on the side
but you got to understand
that i need a man
who can take my hand yes i do

I don’t know what this is
but you got me good
just like you knew you would

I don’t know what you do
but you do it well
I’m under your spell

You got me begging you for mercy
why wont you release me
you got me begging you for mercy
why wont you release me
I said you’d better release yeah yeah yeah

I’m begging you for mercy
yes why wont you release me
I’m begging you for mercy

you got me begging
you got me begging
you got me begging

Mercy, why wont you release me
I’m begging you for mercy
why wont you release me

you got me begging you for mercy
I’m begging you for mercy
I’m begging you for mercy
I’m begging you for mercy
I’m begging you for mercy

Why wont you release me yeah yeah
break it down

Mercy — Duffy