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New Advice for Troubled Homeowners

Hold On — Wilson Phillips

Last Friday, I wrote a post titled Downpayments Are Back. After taking the weekend to contemplate what this really means for homeowners who are thinking about walking away from their obligations, I have changed my mind on what I believe they should do. If they can manage their payments, they should consider trying to hold on, even if the house value has dropped well below their purchase price. There are still a great many overextended homeowners and speculators who cannot possibly manage their payments, and trying to hold on until the market comes back is a foolish waste of time and resources. The market is not going to come back before they go under. However, for those who can make the payments, there emotional benefit of home ownership may be worth the financial hardship it entails. When downpayment requirements were eliminated during the bubble rally. Many people who are not in the habit of saving were suddenly able to purchase a home — albeit at a greatly inflated price. For people who do not have the habit of saving money, they will never come up with even a 3% downpayment to obtain an FHA loan much less a 20% downpayment like everyone else will need. The house they are in right now may be the only house they ever own in their lifetime. If they bail out, the new (and permanent) downpayment requirements will probably ensure they never own again. Under these circumstances, even if they are upside-down on their mortgage, and even if it might make more sense financially to go back to renting, there is a strong emotional desire to own a home, and this may be their only chance to satisfy this emotion. Many of our decisions in life are not based purely on a basis of economics. Having children is not a great economic decision, but the love of family makes the economic sacrifices worthwhile. If satisfying the emotional desire to own a house is worth the sacrifice in terms of elevated household expenses, perhaps it is the proper decision for those owners on the margin to stay put. It is not the right financial decision, but perhaps it is the right life choice.

I have another piece of advice for the homeowners who are facing an exploding Option ARM that will not save them from foreclosure, but it may provide a way for them to reenter the housing market at some future date. Freddie Mac recently changed their servicer guidelines and eliminated compensation to servicers who foreclose quickly. The effect of this change in incentives will be a longer foreclosure process once people stop making payments. This is where the advice comes in. When owners with an Option ARM face their loan recast, there is little hope of affording the payment, so they should not try. What they should do is immediately start saving the amount of the payment they used to make on their mortgage. If the foreclosure process drags out a year or more, they could easily save the 3% necessary for a downpayment on an FHA loan. They may have to wait a while for their FICO scores to improve to qualify for the FHA loan, but when they do, they will already have saved their downpayment. Will many people do this? Probably not. Many people will simply spend the money they should be saving and be no better off for not having a housing payment for an extended period of time, but for those that do, they have the opportunity to save and prepare for home ownership again.

So what do you think? Should they stay, or should they walk?

Today’s featured property is a short sale. It is owned by a speculator who already got what he could out of the property, and now he is walking away.

Asking Price: $250,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $62,500

Downpayment Needed: $50,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $2,083

Purchase Price: $330,000

Purchase Date: 5/27/2005

Address: 139 Briarwood, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 2
Baths: 1
Sq. Ft.: 921
$/Sq. Ft.: $271
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 1985
Stories: 1 Level
Area: West Irvine
County: Orange
MLS#: R807405
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

New Listing (24 hours)

Beautiful 2 bedroom 1 bath condo with amazing amenties. This condo is
located in the Briawood complex that is located close to parks,
shopping,and eateries which are all within walking distance. Enjoy long
relaxing walks or enjoy a day by the man made lake

The pictures in this listing are ridiculous. They show one ugly photo of the outside of this apartment condo, and 13 of nearby facilities. Most of the pictures are from Woodbridge, and this unit is not even in Woodbridge. I guess that is why you have to take a long walk around the lake.

For those of you tracking percentage declines, this one is a healthy 25% off. The owner used 100% financing when it was purchased, and then opened an HELOC that allowed him to extract another $34,000. It was if he sold at peak pricing. The total debt on the property is $354,000. If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss will be $119,000. Washington Mutual gave him the HELOC, and they will absorb the loss.

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I know this pain
Why do lock yourself up in these chains?
No one can change your life except for you
Dont ever let anyone step all over you
Just open your heart and your mind
Is it really fair to feel this way inside?

Chorus:
Some day somebodys gonna make you want to
Turn around and say goodbye
Until then baby are you going to let them
Hold you down and make you cry
Dont you know?
Dont you know things can change
Thingsll go your way
If you hold on for one more day
Can you hold on for one more day
Thingsll go your way
Hold on for one more day

You could sustain
Or are you comfortable with the pain?
Youve got no one to blame for your unhappiness
You got yourself into your own mess
Lettin your worries pass you by
Dont you think its worth your time
To change your mind?

Hold On — Wilson Phillip

Open Thread 8-2-2008

Somethin’ Stupid — Frank and Nancy Sinatra

Do you think speculators who bought at the peak are feeling stupid right now?

36 Windchime Outside

Beds: 2
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,031
$/Sq. Ft.: $572
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Mediterranean
Year Built: 2003
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: Quail Hill
County: Orange
MLS#: S542118
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 3 days

Charming detached condo on a quiet street. Warm home with peaceful sun
soaked back landscaped courtyard. Wood flooring and custom paint.
Within walking distance to Alderwood elementary. Resort style pools,
spas, gym and parks all part of the association. Near the 405/5/133
FWYs. Close by entertainment includes the Irvine Spectrum and Laguna
Beach.

sun soaked? Look at the surrounding walls and buildings. That courtyard will feel more like a cave than an open patio.

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Paid peak prices past the peak. Check…

Watched prices drop 20% since then. Check…

Asking for a profit despite market conditions. Check…

Praying for a greater fool to come along. Check…

Preparing for a short sale. Check…

Feeling stupid. Check…

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I know I stand in line until you think
You have the time to spend an evening with me
And if we go someplace to dance
I know that there’s a chance you won’t be leaving with me
And afterwards we drop into a quiet little place
And have a drink or two……
And then I go and spoil it all by saying
Something stupid like I love you

I can see it in your eyes that you despise
The same old lines you heard the night before……
And though it’s just a line to you for me it’s true……
And never seemed so right before
I practice everyday to find some clever lines
To say to make the meaning come true……
But then I think I’ll wait until the evening gets late
And I’m alone with you
The time is right your perfume fills my head……
The stars get red and on the nights so blue……
And then I go and spoil it all by saying
Something stupid like I love you

Somethin’ Stupid — Frank and Nancy Sinatra

Downpayments Are Back

Home — Simple Minds

Perhaps the best illustration of the problem with the housing market is the simplest one. Speculators with access to 100% financing did not have to worry about losing money, so they went out and bought every property available and bid prices up to very high levels. Now that prices are falling, they are simply walking away and letting the lender absorb the loss. The big lesson lenders are learning is that 100% financing brings in more business, it just isn’t the kind of business you want. The new housing bailout bill passed by Congress and signed by the President has a provision in it eliminating downpayment assistance programs. From this day forward everyone will need a downpayment. With all the losses lenders are absorbing due to the defaults of 100% financing purchases and refinances, you will not see them bringing those programs back any time soon.

When I first started putting downpayment requirements on posts, people were incredulous. I was repeatedly told 20% downpayments will never be required again. Zero down financing was here to stay. Perhaps it will rise to 5% or maybe 10%, but 20% is from a bygone era. Well, go try to get a loan from anyone other than the FHA and see what they tell you. There will always be programs allowing you to put less than 20% down, but good luck qualifying for one of them. From this day forward — until we build the next bubble — a minimum of 3% down through the FHA will be the primary avenue of first-time buyers. Everyone else better have 20% down, or you will not be buying.

One of the overlooked features of the bottom of the market is the difficulty in qualifying for a loan. Prices drop because buyers cannot get loans. When prices look relatively cheap, very few people will qualify for loans to take advantage of the low prices. That is why prices are low. If everyone could qualify for a loan, they would bid prices up like we saw in the bubble rally. The future of Irvine’s housing market is going to be a lot of loans at the conforming limit — currently $417,000 — plus whatever downpayment people have saved. The median will probably be supported at around $430,000 because that is the conforming limit plus 3%. If you have saved 20% or more, you will be one of the few buyers who can bid higher, and you will likely find some outstanding deals at the bottom. Those $900,000 homes at the peak will be going for $500,000 for the conforming limit borrower with 20% down.

Save your money. Cash is king.

66 Stepping Stone Kitchen

Asking Price: $579,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $144,975

Downpayment Needed: $115,980

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,832

Purchase Price: $690,000

Purchase Date: 8/30/2006

Address: 66 Stepping Stone, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,700
$/Sq. Ft.: $341
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Mediterranean
Year Built: 2004
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: Quail Hill
County: Orange
MLS#: S542271
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

New Listing (24 hours)

Quiet end unit location that backs to greenbelt. Three bedrooms, 3
baths, 2 car attached garage. One bedroom and full bath down. Wood
laminate floors. Granite counters in kitchen.

66 Stepping Stone Garage 66 Stepping Stone Wall

Yes, there is a garage, and inside, there is a wall…

As I mentioned in the introduction, this is a simple transaction. The former owner bought this property at the peak with 100% financing. The first mortgage was $552,000. The owner made some payments, but then stopped. The total outstanding balance was $555,044 at the time of foreclosure, so that is what the lender bought it back for. The second mortgage was a complete loss (JP Morgan Chase Bank is hating life.) If this property sells for its asking price, and if they pay a 6% commission, the total loss on the property will be $144,894. The bank is trying to get a few bucks back but they are over market, and they will need to reduce price to find a knife catcher. Expect to see this same, simple story over and over again as this crash drags on.

I hope you have enjoyed this week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we
continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

🙂

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God gave me travelling shoes, God gave me the wanderer’s eye,
God gave me a few gold coins to help me to the other side.
Looked around and said: be careful how small things grow,
God gave me travelling shoes and I knew that it was time to go.

Sent in the ship at night to take me to the hidden port.
Found me the key at last to open up the prison door.
Brought down the blackbird’s wings, gifted me with beggar’s eyes.
Sent in the jackals to tell me I should say bye, bye, bye.

I’m home, home,
Home, home, home
And I’m home, home,
home, home, home
But I’m miles and miles and miles and miles and miles away
Where can I hide?

God gave me one last chance, gave me one last reprieve.
Jah gave me hunger, gave me the air to breathe.
Gave me one suitcase, gave me one last goodbye
Gave me travelling shoes, without them I would surely die, die, die

Home, home
Home, home, home (2x)

Miles and miles and miles and miles and miles away
Where can i go?
Where can I hide?

Home — Simple Mind

Our Changing Relationship to Debt

Waiting on the World to Change — John Mayer

The next big psychological change to impact housing will be a change in homebuyers relationship with debt. Equity can be created in a home in two ways: you can pay down the debt, and the house price can appreciate. During the bubble rally, it was not fashionable to pay down debt. It is a slow way to build equity, and it requires sacrifice. During the bubble, appreciation happened much faster, and it required no additional funds to go toward a housing payment. Under those circumstances, only the most fiscally disciplined and conservative paid down their mortgage (and they are the only ones whose houses are not in jeopardy.) As the price decline drags on — which it will for several more years — people will come to realize that equity does not appear magically, but it is only obtained through retiring debt.

An acquaintance of mine bought a house in late 2007. I consider it my greatest failure of persuasion that I was unable to convince him to wait. The purchase was 70% emotional, but the 30% of him that rationalized the decision had convinced him that he could service the debt for 10 years with an interest-only fixed payment. He would then be able to refinance into another interest-only loan, and in 20-30 years when he went to sell it, he could take the profits to fund his retirement. It is thinking like this that will change. Instead of buying a house he could afford, he borrowed 5 times his income with an interest-only, and he has no funds left over to save for retirement (or anything else for that matter.) Since his purchase, an identical floorplan a few blocks away has been offered for sale for 20% less than he paid, and prices will decline another 20% befor they finish dropping. In ten years, he is likely to be still underwater, and he will either lose the home or struggle with a fully amortized payment on a 20-year schedule. If he had simply waited 2 to 4 years, he could have had the house, and he would have had the money left over to save for the future. There was probably no overcoming the emotional desire to have the house today (sadly,) but it is the intellectual rationalization that I found most interesting.

By 2010, people will realize the thought patterns of the bubble, the religion of real estate, are no longer operative. As this slow process of change grinds forward, people will start thinking in terms of taking on manageable debts with an eye toward paying it off to build equity the old fashioned way through retiring debt. This will be a big change for the market. People will be unwilling to put 50% or more of their gross income toward housing, and our economy will benefit because so much of our local wage income will not be going toward debt service. There is a silver lining in a price decline, and the rebalancing of household finances will be a great boost to our economy. Crushing debt service is like a tax that takes income out of our local economy and sends it to investors in far-away lands. When this money stays home, people have more money to spend on local consumer goods. None of this will happen quickly, as the lingering effects of kool aid intoxication will be with us for some time, but in the end, house prices will be affordable, and the local economy will recover — not through a Ponzi scheme of ever-increasing debt, but through working, earning and circulating that money in the local economy the way it is supposed to be. Until then, I guess we will keep waiting for the world to change…

189 Pineview Kitchen

Asking Price: $349,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $87,250

Downpayment Needed: $69,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $2,908

Purchase Price: $424,000

Purchase Date: 8/4/2005

Address: 189 Pinewood, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,202
$/Sq. Ft.: $290
Lot Size: 760 Sq. Ft.
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Townhouse
Year Built: 1977
Stories: 2 Levels
View: Lake Front
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: P649161
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

New Listing (24 hours)

NO Short Sale, No REO. Great Value!! Beautiful view of the Main lake from the living room and patio! Association facilities; Pool, Tennis Courts, ClubHouse, BBQ. Association dues include water. Very bright & clean 2 Bedroom, 1.5 Bath 2 story Townhome. 1 Carport & 1 Parking Space. Great Starter Home! Super motivated seller will make every effort to work with you qualified buyers. Submit!!

NO Short Sale? Not according to the property records.

Great Value? If you want to own your $1,500 a month apartment, and if you are willing to overpay for it, I guess it is a great value. Properties like this will go for under $200,000 to a cashflow investor in a few years.

This property was purchased on 8/4/2005 for $424,000. The owner used a $339,200 first mortgage, a $84,800 second and a $0 downpayment. I don't see how this is not a short sale, unless the seller has $100,000 to bring to the closing table. If this property sells for its asking price and a 6% commission is paid, the total loss to First Franklin will be $95,940. I guess that is one way to retire the debt…

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me and all my friends

we're all misunderstood

they say we stand for nothing and

there's no way we ever could

now we see everything that's going wrong

with the world and those who lead it

we just feel like we don't have the means

to rise above and beat it

so we keep waiting

waiting on the world to change

we keep on waiting

waiting on the world to change

it's hard to beat the system

when we're standing at a distance

so we keep waiting

waiting on the world to change

now if we had the power

to bring our neighbors home from war

they would have never missed a Christmas

no more ribbons on their door

and when you trust your television

what you get is what you got

cause when they own the information, oh

they can bend it all they want

that's why we're waiting

waiting on the world to change

we keep on waiting

waiting on the world to change

Waiting on the World to Change — John Mayer

Tragedy

Bee Gees — Tragedy

The behavior of HELOC abusing owners during The Great Housing Bubble was tragic. They believed the fantasies of the religion of real estate, drank the kool aid, and now they are losing their homes. The classic Greek tragedy a good person experiences a reversal of fortune most often due to the decisions and mistakes they made along the way. The tragic outcome for many homeowners was not caused by some unforeseeable, random event, but rather it is the direct result of the decisions they made and the actions they took because they subscribed to the fallacies of the religion of real estate. A good tragedy or morality play leaves the audience with mixed emotions. Part of you feels sorrow for the pain and suffering the character must endure, and part of you feels they character is getting what they deserve. It brings up feelings of schadenfreude and a sense of thankfulness that you did not suffer the same fate.

You can see this mixture of emotions in the comments on the blog which often exhibit both sides of this false dichotomy. Life is seldom black and white, and the tragic outcome for homeowners caught up in The Great Housing Bubble is no different. The full range of these emotions are normal and appropriate given the events we are witnessing. Hopefully, everyone who explores these issues and the outcomes that results from the behavior sees the mistakes these people made and does not repeat them in their own life. If that occurs, the I will feel my work at the Irvine Housing Blog has been worthwhile.

Today's featured property is another HELOC abuser who lost his home. Let's explore how he did it.

Asking Price: $389,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $97,475

Downpayment Needed: $77,980

Monthly Equity Burn: $3,249

Purchase Price: $226,500

Purchase Date: 10/10/2000

Address: 9 Helena #26, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,205
$/Sq. Ft.: $324
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 1977
Stories: Split-Level
Area: El Camino Real
County: Orange
MLS#: S541769
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

New Listing (24 hours)

Single story condo in the Heritage Park community of Irvine. This home features 3 bedrooms, 1.75 bathrooms, a living room with a fireplace, a 2 car garage, and an enclosed patio. Home has access to the association pool. Great location: close to schools, parks, and entertainment.

It isn't hard to see how people were enticed to go over to the Dark Side. If you are living paycheck to paycheck, and the house you own suddenly doubles in value, and the entire mortgage industry is encouraging you to take the free money, it is a temptation too big for many to resist, particularly since the religion of real estate has convinced you the value of your house will go up forever. So how did today's owner make the journey?

  • The house was purchased for $226,500 on 10/10/2000. The owner used a $219,705 first mortgage and a $6,795 downpayment.
  • On 6/29/2001 the house was refinanced for $218,431. There was no mortgage equity withdrawal.
  • On 11/26/2001 he opened a HELOC for $72,400, but did not use it.
  • On 9/3/2002 he refinanced again with a $218,431 through the FHA. To this point, the owner has resisted temptation.
  • On 6/3/2003 he refinanced with a $303,300 first mortgage and opened a HELOC for $21,721. This was his first sip of kool aid. It was all downhill from here.
  • On 10/7/2004 he refinanced with a $400,000 first mortgage.
  • On 4/19/2005 he refinanced with a $475,000 first mortgage.
  • The total debt on the property was $475,000.
  • The total mortgage equity withdrawal was $255,295 including is $6,795 downpayment.

It really looks like this owner tried to resist temptation. There was ample opportunity to drink the kool aid before 2003, and he did not do it. He probably fell victim to the sales pitch of the mortgage industry and came to believe he could serially refinance the ever increasing debt which would be paid off by someone else when he sold. Of course, the homedebtor got in over his head and was unable to make the payments. The property went back to the lender on 3/12/2008 for $450,000. The total gain on the sale was $223,500. The are trying to dump it for $389,900. If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss to the investor in DEUTSCHE BANK NATIONAL TRUST CO, ; NEW CENTURY HOME EQUITY LOAN TR 2005-4 will lose $108,494.

So what do you feel when you read these stories?

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Here I lie

In a lost and lonely part of town

Held in time

In a world of tears I slowly drown

Goinhome

I just cant take it all alone

I really should be holding you

Holding you

Loving you loving you

Tragedy

When the feelings gone and you cant go on

Its tragedy

When the morning cries and you dont know why

Its hard to bear

With no-one to love you youre

Goin nowhere

Tragedy

When you lose control and you got no soul

Its tragedy

When the morning cries and you dont know why

Its hard to bear

With no-one to love you youre

Goin nowhere

Bee Gees — Tragedy