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Pay My Debts

Precious Declaration — Collective Soul

There is a group of nervous home sellers who are trying to sell their homes for enough to pay off their mortgages. Some of these were buyers toward the end of the rally that paid too much, and some are owners who bought earlier but mortgaged themselves into the same precarious position. They are wise to try to sell now if they can get enough to pay off their debts and save their credit. Today’s featured property is an owner who extracted much of their equity, but they still have some room to maneuver before they go underwater. In my opinion, there feeble price reductions have not shown the aggressiveness necessary to move this property before the market leaves them underwater, but I guess they don’t want to give it away.

55 Declaration Place Kitchen

Asking Price: $839,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $209,750

Downpayment Needed: $167,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $6,991

Purchase Price: $565,000

Purchase Date: 12/20/2002

Address: 55 Declaration Place, Irvine, CA 92602

Beds: 5
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,830
$/Sq. Ft.: $296
Lot Size: 5,000

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1997
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: West Irvine
County: Orange
MLS#: P639612
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 96 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Gourmet Kitchen Award

West Irvine beauty! Five large spacious bedrooms + a loft upstairs. One
bedroom and one bathroom with shower downstairs. Large back yard and
BBQ. Wood floors in entry, bounus room, stairs, loft, and hallway!
Spacious living and dinning Rms, Large Family Room with Fpl. Gourmet
Kitchen w/Granite Countertops, Center Island, Newer Stainless Sink,
Dishwasher, Cooktop, and a Walk-in Pantry! Huge Master Suite w/Walk-in.
Fresh 2-Toned Paint throughout, Custom Window Coverings and Wood
Shutters and Much more!

Title Case… Again…

Plenty of exclamation points!

The owners of this property refinanced in 2006 with a $752,000 first mortgage. They need to sell this place for $800,000 to pay a 6% commission and break even on the deal.

Listing Price History

Date Price
May 29, 2008 $889,000
Jun 24, 2008 $869,000
Aug 06, 2008 $839,000

I imagine the 5% reduction in asking price seems like a lot to them, but if they don’t sell this summer, they will probably go underwater. It is difficult to feel too sorry for them considering they have already extracted $187,000 plus their downpayment from the property. Perhaps they have this money sitting in an investment account and could pay off the shortfall at closing. Does anyone think this scenario is likely?

When you look at our current inventory of homes, you see that the composition is very different than what is found in a normal, healthy real estate market. Usually, the number of distressed properties (REOs, short sales and nearly short sales) is very low. In appreciating market conditions, the distressed properties sell quickly, and the vast majority of sellers can get at or above their asking prices because they don’t need to sell. The amount of distressed inventory becomes a larger percentage of the market, sellers become more aggressive (at least the ones who can) and prices stop appreciating. When the percentage of distressed properties gets very high, prices go down. This is what we are seeing now. It becomes a negative feedback loop as price declines distresses more properties which drives prices down even more. Today’s seller would not be distressed if prices had not fallen to close to their breakeven price. They need to sell now because prices are dropping and they probably have difficulty affording the very large mortgage they now have (It is possible their household income rose 70% since 2002, but I doubt it). This is the downward spiral playing out one property at a time.

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Hitched a ride to the peaceful side of town
Then proceeded where thieves were no longer found
Cant crash now Ive been waiting for this
Wont crash now I found some encouragement
Precious declaration reads
Yours is yours and mine you leave alone now
Precious declaration says
I believe all hope is dead no longer

New meanings to the words I feed upon
Wake within my veins elements of freedom
Cant break now Ive been living for this
Wont break now Im cleansed with hopefulness
Precious declaration reads
Yours is yours and mine you leave alone now
Precious declaration says
I believe all hope is dead no longer

Once I jumped thru hoops of fire
As high and far as you required
I was blind but now I see
Salvation has discovered me


Precious Declaration
— Collective Soul

Money Talks

Money Talks — AC/DC

There have been some rumblings about the declining inventory numbers and the slight uptick in sales in Irvine. Perhaps it is signaling a bottom in pricing? This doesn’t seem likely, particularly with the Alt-A and Prime ARMs due to reset over the coming few years. The fact remains that REOs continue to enter the market, and they continue to drive prices lower to find buyers. Until that stops occurring, prices will not stabilize much less appreciate. Today’s featured property is 35% off its 2005 purchase price, and the lender recently reduced the price drastically to find a buyer.

34 New Season Kitchen

Asking Price: $339,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $67,980

Downpayment Needed: $84,975

Monthly Equity Burn: $2,832

Purchase Price: $520,000

Purchase Date: 12/23/2005

Address: 34 New Season, Irvine, CA 92602

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,190
$/Sq. Ft.: $286
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Traditional
Year Built: 2006
Stories: Split-Level
Floor: 2
Area: Northpark
County: Orange
MLS#: P648984
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 35 days

Huge Price Reduction!!!! Wonderful new Irvine Community with Tennis
Court, Parks, Pool, BBQ area. Property has Dual Master Suites, open
kitchen, attached 2 car garage. Close to new schools, shopping and
freeway; close to Beckman High School. Perfect for first time buyers.
Front patio perfect for entertaining ready for you to customize. A must
see!!

This property is even more of a loss for the various lenders than it appears. The property was purchased for $520,000, but the owner managed to refinance into a $456,000 first and a $114,000 second pulling out $50,000 before he quit making payments and walked away. Wells Fargo held the first mortgage debt, and they only bid $360,000 for the property securing their $456,000 mortgage. Obviously, the loss mitigation procedures have changed at these banks. Surprisingly, there were no buyers even at $360,000, so they ended up with the property. After a month in fantasy land trying to get back most of the $456,000 mortgage, they have lowered the price to move the property. At $339,000, this is approaching rental parity at $2,124 per month. If this property sells for its asking price, the total loss after a 6% commission will be $250,494 based on the refinance amount of $570,000.

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Yeow! Tailored suits, chauffered cars
Fine hotels and big cigars
Up for grabs, up for a price
Where the red hot girls keep on dancing through the night
The claim is in you
The sights are on me
So what do you do
That’s guaranteed
Hey little girl, you want it all
The furs, the diamonds, the painting on the wall

Come on, come on, marry me for the money
Come on, come on, listen to the moneytalk
Come on, come on, marry me for the money
Come on, come on, listen to the moneytalk

A French maid, foreign chef
A big house with king size bed
You’ve had enough, you ship them out
The dollar’s up-down, you’d better buy the pound
[ Find more Lyrics at www.mp3lyrics.org/b6K ]
The claim is on you
The sights are on me
So what do you do
That’s guaranteed
Hey little girl, you broke the laws
You hustle, you deal, you steal from us all

Come on, come on, marry me for the money
Come on, come on. listen to the moneytalk
Come on, come on, marry me for the money
Come, come on, listen to the moneytalk
Moneytalks, yeah, yeah

Money talks, B.S. walks
Money talks, come on, come on


Money Talks
— AC/DC

Open Thread 8-30-2008

The End — John Clinebell

Today’s featured song was sent by a local musician who is an avid reader of the blog. I bet you can guess his name…

The crash at the end of a speculative bubble can be brutal. So far, the price decline in Irvine has been measured and orderly compared to the drops in less desirable markets. I was recently looking at properties in the Palm Springs market, and I found some of the new neighborhoods that were the carnage is simply breathtaking. Check out some of these listings at around 50% off their new home sales price of 2 years ago:

41213 Doyle St Indio,
CA 92203 — Original Price: $468,500 — Asking
Price:
$232,750

82952 Plymouth Dr Indio,
CA 92203 — Original Price: ? — Asking
Price:
$243,000

41425 Hanover St Indio,
CA 92203 — Original Price: $455,500 — Asking
Price:
$249,900

I could list more, but I think you get the point. The Palm Springs market may have some chance of recovery as baby boomers may want to go here when they begin to retire soon. If you want to see carnage in a market that is not likely to recover any time soon, take a look at Hemet/San Jacinto:

761 Salinger Pl San Jacinto,
CA 92583 — Original Price: $363,500
— Asking Price: $199,900

The interesting thing about all of these properties is that they are selling for less than replacement cost. With asking prices around $85/SF, that is the cost of construction of the box itself. Even if the lots were free, a builder could not build and sell a house on it and make any money. There will be no new construction in these markets until prices rise above replacement costs, and then it will only occur on already finished lots selling at an extreme discount. There will be no new development or construction of finished lots until prices rise back above $130/SF. That is about 50% above current values. As you can see, replacement cost does not put a floor below prices. Ultimately, the lack of new construction will create a shortage, and prices will rise due to supply constraints (assuming the financing is available). However, since we overbuilt in many of these fringe markets, it will take some time to absorb all the existing inventory.

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stacked behind the door
are the photographs of yours.
in the basket
down the hall
there’s a soccer shirt that i borrowed.

the end isn’t the
end.
the end isn’t the end of this.

picking out the darkened hair
from
each and every happy moment.
i’ve come to terms that have been laid
bare,
quiet sleeping angels in my bed.

the end isn’t the
end.
the end isn’t the end of this.

so don’t you disappoint yourself
again,
you’ll be back home..
you disappoint yourself
again,
you’ll be back home..
you disappoint yourself
again,
you’ll be back home..
before too long..

these discussions with
myself,
the kinds of things that don’t tend to help.
pacing back and
forth with my guitar,
looking way up high on a shelf.

The End — John Clinebell

Time It Right

Time In A Bottle — Jim Croce

Some time ago, I wrote the post Timing Does Matter, to document the financial impact of properly timing the market. Today’s featured property owners show how a family should manage their mortgage, and the benefits that can be obtained in retirement if you sell near the peak of a massive speculative bubble. I commend today’s sellers. They are the role models I will emulate in my own life.

14951 Elm Kitchen

Asking Price: $649,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $162,250

Downpayment Needed: $129,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,408

Purchase Price: $59,500

Purchase Date: 8/22/1980

Address: 14951 Elm Ave., Irvine, CA 92606

Turkey

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,873
$/Sq. Ft.: $347
Lot Size: 5,301

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Traditional
Year Built: 1973
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: Walnut
County: Orange
MLS#: S544508
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 10 days

lite-briteThis home shows with quiet elegance and is truly a Turnkey Home! Enjoy
living at its finest in this tri-lvel home in College Park community.
It features 4 bedrooms, 2.5 bathrooms, new beige carpet, new interior
paint, scraped ceilings, wood banisters & floors, custom entry door
and transom, new dual pane windows, recessed lighting, track lighting,
crown molding, wide baseboards, new energy efficient air conditioner,
and a cozy family room with a fireplace. The newly remodeled kitchen
features granite counter tops, new microwave, tile backsplash and
flooring, recessed lighting, and a garden window overlooking into a
neatly groomed back yard with a spa and built in barbeque. Plantation
shutters in master bedroom, study(bedroom) and master bath. Light and
bright with skylight in hall bathroom. Don’t forget room off master
bedroom allows for plenty of storage. Only walking distance to
elementary school. The HOA has 3 community pools with active swim team,
clubhouse, and parks.

Today’s sellers will have to pardon my irreverence, but “Turkey Homes” and “light and bright” are something I can’t resist.

These people bought this house almost 30 years ago and paid off their original mortgage. They have two small HELOCs which appear to have been used to redo the kitchen and the roof. This should help them sell the property. These people did not participate in the borrowing orgy while everyone around them was. The HELOCs are through a teacher’s credit union, so one or both of the owners are probably teachers. The additional $550,000+ will go a long way toward supplementing a teacher’s pension.

This is how I want to manage my house. They got to live in a nice Irvine property for many years, they paid off their housing debt, they are selling at an inflated price (relative to fundamentals,) and now they can downsize and have some significant cash to enjoy in their retirement. What a great plan!

I don’t intend to make my house my only retirement savings. I set aside money for that purpose irrespective of what might happen with housing. If kool aid intoxication takes over after I buy, I am certainly not above taking advantage of the greed and stupidity of my fellow man — I am not counting on it, but if it should occur, it would be a nice pile of cash to play with when I am ready to stop working.

I salute you Mr. and Mrs. Financially Conservative owners. You have shown the rest of us the way…

I hope you have enjoyed this week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we
continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

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If I could save time in a bottle
The first thing that Id like to do
Is to save every day
Till eternity passes away
Just to spend them with you

If I could make days last forever
If words could make wishes come true
Id save every day like a treasure and then,
Again, I would spend them with you

But there never seems to be enough time
To do the things you want to do
Once you find them
Ive looked around enough to know
That youre the one I want to go
Through time with

If I had a box just for wishes
And dreams that had never come true
The box would be empty
Except for the memory
Of how they were answered by you

But there never seems to be enough time
To do the things you want to do
Once you find them
Ive looked around enough to know
That youre the one I want to go
Through time with

Time In A Bottle — Jim Croce

Vintage Wine

Vintage Wine — Moody Blues

Isn't real estate supposed to be like vintage wines that get better with age? Rare vintage wines can get very expensive, and unless they turn to vinegar, their prices do always go up. Well it appears the 2006 vintage homes are all turning to vinegar now because they certainly are not appreciating in value.

Today I want to relay a story to you that was told to me by a real estate developer currently buying property in one of our most blighted California bubble markets. His company is purchasing this particular property from the bank for far less than the original loan amount. Do you remember the residual land value calculations from Land Value 101? This particular property was ready for the construction and sale of houses in 2003. The original prices were $400,000 in this particular market. By 2006, houses were selling for $700,000. When sales volumes plummeted, the builder gave up and let the property go back to the bank. The developer ran a proforma using a $275,000 house price. As you can imagine, this did not leave a large residual land value. The bank took the offer. This developer knows he can build and sell houses profitably for $275,000 in this particular market. If prices increase, he stands to reap a windfall. His only real concern is the competition from the REOs, particularly all the previously built homes in this subdivision he is undercutting by over 50%. He knows he is probably going to cause more walkaways, but prices are what they are, and as long as he can build and sell $275,000 houses, it isn't his problem.

Fortunately, for those living in Irvine, the developer is financially stable, and it is concerned about long-term house prices and probably will not cut prices over 50% to move homes. As we noted with the problems in Columbus Grove, those who are off the Ranch are not so lucky. Today's featured property is another of the bad 2006 vintage properties in Woodbury. This seller is really being hosed by his competition as he owes $184,000 more on his property than his comparable neighbor is asking for sale.

142 Vintage Kitchen

Asking Price: $489,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $122,250

Downpayment Needed: $97,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,075

Purchase Price: $554,500

Purchase Date: 10/12/2005

Address: 142 Vintage, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,526
$/Sq. Ft.: $321
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Mediterranean
Year Built: 2005
Stories: 3+ Levels
Floor: 1
View: Hills, Mountain
Area: Woodbury
County: Orange
MLS#: S529072
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 133 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Gourmet Kitchen Award

Beautiful living space in the heart of Woodbury. Enter the outdoor living area down a walkway that opens into a private courtyard with outside fireplace where neighbors gather around patio table & chairs. Ground floor entry with bedroom converted into a home office with built-in. Go upstairs to main level with spacious living room with fireplace & custom built media center. Open plan gourmet kitchen with granite countertops & island, maple cabinets & stainless steel appliances. Top level features the master suite with walk-in closet. The master bath has dual sinks with marble countertops, tub surround and separate shower enclosure. Community amenities include 5 pools, basketball, tennis and volleyball courts. Wonderful, new shopping centers with restaurants. Convenient to 5 freeway and 241 toll road.

That is a well written description. It is so rare, I thought it necessary to comment on it.

This property was purchased on 10/12/2005 for $554,000. The owners used a $443,000 first mortgage, a $110,700 second mortgage and put $300 down. On 3/21/2007 they refinanced their second for $141,000 pulling out a quick $30,000. Now that prices are dropping and they got all they could out of the property, they see no need to keep paying the big debt, so they are walking away. Does anyone blame them? Does anyone think we won't be seeing a lot more of this?

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I remember the taste of the vintage wine

From '63 through to '69

And I'm proud of the things we believed in then

If I had the chance I'd go around again

Oh I tell you

We were young and free

Oh I'll tell you

'Cause I was there you see

And I look to the future with open arms

And the songs that flow from my old guitar

And I want to be there when the music plays

And the lights go up on the empty stage

Oh I tell you

Music set me free

Oh I tell you

It sounds so good to me

Vintage Wine — Moody Blue