Monthly Archives: November 2008

Welcome to the Irvine Housing Blog

Welcome to the Jungle — Guns n’ Roses

The Irvine Housing Blog is being featured in the print edition of the Irvine World News this weekend. For any new visitors that found us from this article, I like to say welcome.

The Irvine Housing Blog is a blog devoted to real estate in Irvine, California. As such, we analyze local and national issues that impact prices in our housing market. Since its inception in September of 2006, we have been bearish on real estate in Irvine. The reasons for our bearishness can be found in great detail in the analysis posts found both in the sidebar and on the analysis tab above. These posts are organized into the book, The Great Housing Bubble. We are not a bubble blog, and though we are often referred to as part of that community, we will only be bearish as long as prices are elevated above fundamental valuations and market conditions point to continued deterioration in prices. At some point, we will turn bullish.

In early 2007, we published a series of predictions for Irvine median house prices. The red line in the chart above is the original prediction, and the green line represents what happened through April of this year. As you can see, we have a reasonable record with respect to forecasting future median home prices.

We are a vibrant community of more than 3,000 daily visitors. Our forums have over 1,500 members and over 78,000 posts. Many Irvine residents come to our forums looking for information on Irvine housing, discussions about the economy, politics, or just to hang out and be part of the community. The forums are free to join, and everyone is welcome to participate.

In a typical post, we examine a property for sale in Irvine in our own irreverent, snarky style. There is usually a featured song for everyone’s entertainment, a preamble with discussion or analysis of market issues often with a tie-in to the featured song. After there is a presentation of the featured property with two pictures (if available,) and a breakdown of the asking price, the income requirement and downpayment requirement based on traditional financing, the monthly equity burn (the amount the buyer will lose each month assuming prices drop 10% a year for the next 2 years), the original purchase price, the date of purchase, and the address with a link to the listing on Redfin. Below the fold, there is more detailed property information from Redfin and the MLS including the property description. The quality of the writing on MLS listings is often horrendous, and we will ridicule this descriptions just for the fun of it. Then we go in to detail on the mortgage debt on the property showing how much each of the parties to the transaction is going to lose in the eventual sale. The stories the property records reveal are often quite illuminating and instructive — instructive on what not to do.

If you are new to the site, we encourage you to look around, and please join in the fun by adding your own “astute observation” to the post below. Welcome.

For those of you who are regulars to the site, go check out the article in the Irvine World News print edition. We will also be featured in the OC Register on Wednesday. As a reminder, out IHB get together and book signing will be this Wednesday, November 12, at 6:30 PM at JT Schmids at the District. Everyone is welcome to attend.

It has been almost 7 months since our last call for lurkers to come out of the shadows. For all you readers out there who have never posted before, please say
hello. We know you are out there. This is another chance to break the
ice…

{book}

Welcome to the jungle
We got fun ‘n’ games
We got everything you want
Honey we know the names
We are the people that can find
Whatever you may need
If you got the money honey
We got your disease


In the jungle
Welcome to the jungle
Watch it bring you to your shun knees, knees
I wanna watch you bleed

Welcome to the jungle
We take it day by day
If you want it you’re gonna bleed
But it’s the price you pay
And you’re a very sexy girl
That’s very hard to please
You can taste the bright lights
But you won’t get them for free
In the jungle
Welcome to the jungle
Feel my, my, my serpentine
I, I wanna hear you scream

Welcome to the jungle
It gets worse here everyday
Ya learn ta live like an animal
In the jungle where we play
If you got a hunger for what you see
You’ll take it eventually
You can have anything you want
But you better not take it from me


Welcome to the Jungle
— Guns n’ Rose

Little Lies

Little Lies — Fleetwood Mac

Tell me lies
Tell me sweet little lies

Real estate always goes up. I will pay back this loan. Stated Income is OK. The market will recover to peak prices soon. There is a huge pent up demand. They are running out of land. Buy now or be priced out forever.

You all recognize the lies of The Great Housing Bubble. I imagine you could compile a longer list than I can. A great many people believed these lies (and many still do) because they wanted to. As long as prices were going up, any reason to buy seemed like a good one. There is one lie that everyone who buys real estate believes: prices will go up from here. Yes, there are people who claim they know prices will drop further, but nobody who buys think this will be very much or for very long.

I remember reading an article last year where a knife catcher was buying in a suburb of Los Angeles because prices had dropped about 10%. He said in the article that prices might drop 1%, 2% at most. Of course, prices have dropped 30% since then. It has been fascinating to me to watch knife catchers buy properties during this decline. I had always wondered what was going through people’s minds when they bought while prices are dropping. From what I have witnessed, they all believe they are buying the bottom.

Close my, close my, close my eyes

There will come a time when prices are still dropping that I may buy. I will do so because the purchase will save me money versus renting. At that price level, there is another valid economic reason to buy. Appreciation does not matter if a purchase has another economic benefit. Today’s knife catchers do not have that benefit. They are getting the worst of both worlds. They have equity evaporation, and they have a negative cashflow as compared to renting. It takes blind faith in the lies of the bubble and baptismal acceptance of kool aid to buy in this market.

Today’s featured property is actually one of the better deals I have seen. It is still above rental parity, but it is quickly approaching that threshold.

15 Woodland Dr Kitchen

Asking Price: $456,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $114,000

Downpayment Needed: $91,200

Monthly Equity Burn: $3,800

Purchase Price: $645,000

Purchase Date: 6/30/2005

Address: 15 Woodland Drive, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,655
$/Sq. Ft.: $276
Lot Size: 2,645

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1976
Stories: 2
Floor: 1
Area: Woodbridge
County: Orange
MLS#: U8004956
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

New Listing (24 hours)

Fixer-upper

WELCOME HOME TO ONE OF THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER CITIES IN ORANGE COUNTY.
THIS IS THE CITY OF IRVINE. OUTSTANDING SCHOOLS, PARKS, RECREATION, AND
MORE. THE HOME IS A THREE BEDROOM TWO AND ONE QUARTER BATHROOM ATTACHED
SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH CLOSE TO 1655 SQUARE FEET OF INTERIOR LIVING
SPACE. YOU WILL ENJOY THE PRIVATE PATIO AND REAR YARD THAT IS JUST THE
RIGHT SIZE FOR ENTERTAINING. THE HOME IS PART OF AN ASSOCIATION THAT
CREATES THE FEELING OF LIVING IN A RESORT, YOU HAVE AN ASSOCIATION
POOL, AND SPA, AND COMMON AREAS. THE LOCATION IS GREAT, YOU ARE CLOSE
TO ALL THE GOOD STUFF IN THE CITY; SCHOOLS, PARKS, RECREATION, SHOPPING
AND TRANSPORTATION. SO COME HOME TO IRVINE, AND START LIVING THE ORANGE
COUNTY LIFESTYLE TODAY.

ALL CAPS.

When I plug the inputs into the calculator, the cost of ownership comes to about $3,000 a month (the HOA Dues are a killer). I would estimate this would rent for about $2,400 a month, so it is only 20% overvalued. That sounds like a lot, but given that Irvine properties were 100% or more overvalued at the top, this is significant progress.

This house was purchased on 6/30/2005 for $645,000. The owner used a $516,000 first mortgage, a $129,000 second mortgage, and a $0 downpayment (big surprise). If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the lender stands to lose $216,360.

This property is being offered for 29% off its 2005 purchase price. That is a significant discount for a single-family detached house in Irvine.

I hope you have enjoyed this week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we
continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

🙂

{book}

If I could turn the page
In time then Id rearrange just a day or two
Close my, close my, close my eyes

But I couldnt find a way
So Ill settle for one day to believe in you
Tell me, tell me, tell me lies

Tell me lies
Tell me sweet little lies
(tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies)
Oh, no, no you cant disguise
(you cant disguise, no you cant disguise)
Tell me lies
Tell me sweet little lies

Although Im not making plans
I hope that you understand theres a reason why
Close your, close your, close your eyes

No more broken hearts
Were better off apart lets give it a try
Tell me, tell me, tell me lies


Little Lies
— Fleetwood Mac

Helena

Helena — My Chemical Romance

Everyone is wondering when the market will bottom and at what price. For prices to stabilize, they must reach levels of affordability where people can make the payments with a reasonable percentage of their income. These levels are almost completely dependant upon income and financing terms. During The Great Housing Bubble, credit was very loose, and people were able to finance huge sums based on both their real and imagined income. The only limits to prices were imposed by people’s dreams and their willingness to lie on loan applications.

Now that the loose financing has resulted in unprecedented default rates and foreclosures, lenders are tightening credit in the hope of not losing even more money. The tightening of credit will continue. This will result in a continued decrease in the amounts lenders are willing to loan which in turn will lower the amounts buyers are able to bid. Prices will continue to fall.

The first signs of market stabilization will be when prices reach levels of affordability commensurate with historical norms. Prices are still far elevated from these levels. When we get to the bottom, prices at the low end of the market will stabilize first. The bottom tier of the market is the foundation of market stability. It is not until these prices stabilize and begin to rise that will people have equity to move up to larger homes. People who are buying more expensive properties today are not taking their equity from less expensive properties to finance a move up. There is little no equity in these low-end properties, and their continued price decline is making an equity transfer to a more expensive property much more difficult. The ongoing erosion of the equity positions of low-end properties coupled with tightening financing is going to continue to put pressure on high-end homes.

Many low-end properties in the most beaten down markets are nearing rental parity. There has been a dramatic increase in sales volumes of low-end properties where prices are at rental parity. Those markets are beginning the price stabilization process. The same is not true of Irvine. Our low-end properties still have further to fall as they have not yet reached rental parity for an owner-occupant. Many of the least desirable will likely fall below rental parity to price levels where investors can generate a positive cashflow. In short, we are nowhere near the bottom.

Today’s featured property is a typical low-end foreclosure in Irvine. The buyers used 100% financing about 1 year before the peak, and with prices plummeting and the cost of ownership being double the cost of a similar rental, the owners stopped making payments and allowed the property to go to auction in foreclosure. It is a familiar story, and it is one we will see more of here in Irvine over the next few years.

1 Helena 22

Asking Price: $439,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $109,975

Downpayment Needed: $87,980

Monthly Equity Burn: $3,665

Purchase Price: $605,000

Purchase Date: 7/29/2005

Address: 1 Helena #22, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,504
$/Sq. Ft.: $292
Lot Size:
Property Type: Single Family
Year Built: 1977
# of Rooms: 7
County: Orange
Listing #: 2938155
Source: Bank-Listed Foreclosures
Status: Bank Owned
On Redfin: 1 day

I guess I can’t make fun of this description.

This property was purchased on 7/29/2005 for $605,000. The owners used a $484,000 first mortgage, a $121,000 second mortgage, and a $0 downpayment. These owners either could not afford the payments, or they saw little reason to continue making them. The lender bid $484,000 at the foreclosure auction which was the outstanding balance on the first mortgage. This is typical of loss mitigation procedures, although we have been seeing some lenders show a willingness to allow properties to go for less than the amount of the first mortgage. Many lenders feel it is more cost effective to lose a little more at auction than to deal with subsequent property management and sale after a foreclosure.

If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss to the lender will be $191,494.

This property is being offered for 27% off its 2005 sales price.

{book}

Long ago
Just like the hearse you died to get in again
We are so far from you

Burning on just like a match you strike to incinerate
The lives of everyone you knew
And what’s the worst you take (worst you take)
From every heart you break (heart you break)
And like the blade you stain (blade you stain)
Well I’ll be holding on tonight

What’s the worst thing I can say?
Things are better if I stay
So long and goodnight
So long and goodnight

Came a time
When every starfall brought you to tears again
We are the very hurt you sold
And what’s the worst you take (worst you take)
From every heart you break (heart you break)
And like the blade you stain (blade you stain)
Well I’ll be holding on tonight

Helena — My Chemical Romance

2003 Gem

Topaz — B-52s

Topaz is a beautiful and somewhat rare mineral that comes in a variety of colors. Our housing market also has its somewhat rare counterpart: a 2003 rollback. We will see many, many more of these before this crisis has past, but for now, each one is duly noted as another milestone on our way to the bottom. If any of you have been following ocrenter’s blog at Bubble Market’s Inventory Tracking, you know he has been consistently calling for 2001 pricing at the bottom. Many properties in San Diego County are already at this price level. They were a year ahead of us on the way up, and they are also a year ahead of us on the way down. Assuming we do not have a collapse of incomes and rents in the upcoming recession, pricing in Irvine should bottom out at 2001/2002 price levels. There are downside risks if interest rates rise dramatically, or if foreclosures balloon out-of-control. We have been resting on price support at 2004 price levels for months now, but with the recession deepening, and the prime selling season behind us, prices may resume their downward decent.

Today’s featured property is owned by a HELOC abuser who borrowed every penny of equity as quickly as it accumulated. As many before him, he is leaving the bills for someone else to pay off.

169 Topaz Front 169 Topaz Kitchen

Asking Price: $370,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $92,500

Downpayment Needed: $74,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $3,083

Purchase Price: $380,000

Purchase Date: 8/4/2003

Address: 169 Topaz, Irvine, CA 92602

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,200
$/Sq. Ft.: $308
Lot Size:
Property Type Attached, Condominium
Property Style: Other (See Remarks)
Year Built: 2001
Stories: 2 Level
County: Orange
MLS#: M08077585
Source: MRMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 160 days

Unsold in 90+ days

JUST REDUCED!!!!!! LENDER APPROVED @ $380,000.00. NICE!!! 2 Bed 2 Bath
condo located close to schools, shopping, freeways/toll roads, and
employment centers. Seller is very motivated to sell the property.

I call BS on that one. Why would the seller care anymore? There is no equity in the property, and unless he believes a short sale is somehow better for his credit, he should just let it go into foreclosure and enjoy the free lodging for a while.

Some HELOC abuse stories are more outrageous than others. This property is not a record for amount, but the owner certainly did not let any equity go unliberated.

  • The property was purchased for $380,000 on 8/4/2003 for $380,000. The owner used a $304,000 first mortgage, a $38,000 second mortgage, and a $38,000 downpayment.
  • On 8/31/2005 he refinanced with an Option ARM with a 1% teaser rate for $448,000. He also took out a $56,000 stand-alone second.
  • On 3/12/2007 he refinanced again with a $480,000 first mortgage and a $120,000 stand-alone second.
  • Total property debt is $600,000.
  • Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $258,000 including his downpayment.

This borrower is the quintessential example of a kool aid intoxicated fool. An Option ARM with a 1% teaser rate? Taking mortgage debt from $342,000 to $600,000 in 4 years? Brilliant!

If this property sells if its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss to the lender will be $252,200.

If the appraisal used to obtain the $600,000 loan is accurate, this property is being offered for 38% off its peak appraised value. Quite a gem.

{book}

New cities by the sea
Skyscrapers are winking
Some hills are never seen
The universe expanding
We’re gazing out to sea
Blue dolphins are singing
Minds swim in ecstasy
Clear planet, ever free

Topaz
Our hearts are traveling faster,
Faster than the speed of love
Straight through a tear in the clouds
Up to the heavens above

Bright ships will sail the seas
Starfishes are spinning
Some hills are never seen
Our universe is expanding
Moonrise upon the sea
Starships are blinking
We’ll walk in ecstasy
Clear planet blue and green

Topaz — B-52

The White House

Hail to the Chief — James Sanderson

First, I would like to call everyone’s attention to a post over at the Great Loan Blog: The Great Housing Bubble Book.

Today we are featuring two properties: one right here in Irvine, and the other is a very desirable address in Washington DC.

14811 Groveview Ln Kitchen

Asking Price: $500,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $125,000

Downpayment Needed: $100,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,166

Purchase Price: $655,000

Purchase Date: 6/29/2005

Address: 14811 Groveview Ln, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,112
$/Sq. Ft.: $450
Lot Size: 4,966

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Bungalow, Contemporary/Modern
Year Built: 1971
Stories: 1 Level
Area: El Camino Real
County: Orange
MLS#: S552866
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 2 days

Turkey

LOVELY SINGLE LEVEL FAMILY POOL HOME. NO MELLO ROOS, NO ASSOCIATION
DUES. WALK TO A DISTINGUISHED ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, BLUE RIBBON MIDDLE
SCHOOL, IRVINE HIGH SCHOOL AND NEARBY COMMUNITY PARK WITH BASKETBALL
COURT. THIS REMODELLED HOME SHOWS WELL. REMODELLED BEDROOMS, BATHROOMS
AND KITCHEN WITH NEWER CABINETS AND STAINLESS STEEL APPLIANCES.
PARQUET/PERGO FLOORING THRU-OUT. CENTRAL AIRCONDITIONING & HEATING.
FENCED FRONT & BACKYARD. LIGHT & BRIGHT HOME, A TURN KEY. FACES
SOUTH EAST.

ALL CAPS.

Can someone tell me what that is on the front of the stove?

THRU-OUT? Does it really take that many more letters to spell it correctly?

lite-brite

The owner of this property has a significant amount of his own money in the transaction. When the house was purchased on 6/29/2005, the owner used a $524,000 first mortgage and a $131,000 downpayment. He opened a HELOC on 4/21/2006 for $63,400, but it is unclear whether or not he took out the money. If he didn’t, he probably wishes he had. Since the current asking price is less than the outstanding amount of the first mortgage, this is a short sale. If this house sells for its asking price, the total loss will be $185,000 after a 6% commission. The owner’s downpayment is gone, and so is his credit. Bummer…

This house is marked at 23.6% off its purchase price in 2005.

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We are not a political blog, and we have done a relatively good job
of staying out of the fray leading up to the election. If people want
to express opinions about who should be president, and if they want to
waste their time trying to convince others on the internet, there are
plenty of places to do that. Over the weekend, we had a discussion of the politics of housing. The next president is going to have to deal with this issue even if “dealing with it” means doing nothing at all.

Today is Election Day. To ignore this momentous occasion would be
irresponsible. I would like to hear people’s predictions, any
interesting stories about voting, and any commentary on what the next
Administration and Congress either should or should not do about
housing. This is our one day to have a free-ranging political
discussion. Go for it…

whitehouse_front

Asking Price: 270 electoral votesIrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $400,000

Downpayment Needed: $1,552,000,000

Purchase Price: 286 electoral votes, 62,040,610 popular votes

Purchase Date: 11/2/2004

Address: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC 20500