Monthly Archives: May 2008

What Goes Up… ** Update **

Want to see how to really destroy the neighborhood comps? How about lowering an asking price nearly 20%…

Address: 1714 Timberwood Drive, Irvine, CA 92620

Old Asking Price: $499,000

New Asking Price: $429,000

What Goes Around… Comes Around — Justin Timberlake

What goes up must go down, and what goes around comes around. Markets move in cycles, and although they can trend for significant periods of time, all price trends eventually reverse. Real estate markets usually trend for very long periods, and we are only 2 years into what is likely to be a 6-8 year decline. We are nowhere near the bottom. I imagine most people with toxic financing who need to refinance really don’t want to think about it. It is probably making them sick, and they can’t believe it is ending this way. They are shocked it is going down. As Justin Timberlake points out, “What Goes Around… Comes Around.”

Today’s property is part of the ongoing carnage in the Collage complex in Northwood. We have profiled this neighborhood before. It is one neighborhood in Northwood showing serious distress. The featured property is a toxic financing victim (and we even have a new graphic to go with it.) The owner purchased in early 2006 with an 80% first mortgage which was a 1% Option ARM. There is a 10% HELOC, which was probably used as purchase money, and a 10% downpayment. Two years on, and the payments are rising, the values are dropping, and the owner is walking. What a surprise…

1714 Timberwood Inside

Asking Price: $499,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $124,750

Downpayment Needed: $98,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,158

Purchase Price: $596,000

Purchase Date: 2/22/2006

Address: 1714 Timberwood Drive, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 2
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,442
$/Sq. Ft.: $346
Lot Size:
Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 2000
Stories: Two Levels
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: P629713
Status: Active
On Redfin: 17 days

2 Bedroom Townhouse in secluded location in newer gated community. 2
levels w/ spacious living and dining rooms, fireplace in living room.
Large Kitchen and master bedroom. Very private setting nestled among
the trees. 1 block to top rated northwood High School and Canyon View
Elementary

Is that the kitchen in the background or a closet?

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If this seller gets their asking price and pays a 6% commission, the total loss on the property will be $126,940. The owner will have lost their $59,600 downpayment, the second mortgage holder would lose their $59,600, and the first mortgage holder would lose $7,740. Of course, since this was a neg am loan with a 1% teaser rate, the loss on the first mortgage will likely be much higher. Gotta love that toxic financing…

This neighborhood is a mess. The unit at 1520 Timberwood is a bank REO, and it is dragging down the comps. It is currently offered at $303/SF which is significanly less than the other properties for sale nearby, including this one. The REO is going to make it impossible for the other sellers because their buyers will not be able to get a large loan (Does anyone remember this oldie? Your Buyer’s Loan Terms) In short, the other sellers are pwned. 1512 Timberwood was purchased last August about a week before the credit crunch hit (if this was a flip, it was a really stupid one.) The buyer paid $520,000, and now they are hoping to get out at $470,000. Then there is the truly delusional seller at 800 Timberwood hoping to get $400K for a 1 bedroom condo. WTF? Are there any buyers out there who are that stupid? I hope not.

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Don’t want to think about it
Don’t want to talk about it
I’m just so sick about it
Can’t believe it’s ending this way

Just so confused about it
Feeling the blues about it
I just can’t do without ya
Tell me is this fair?

Is this the way it’s really going down?
Is this how we say goodbye?
Should’ve known better when you came around
That you were gonna make me cry
It’s breaking my heart to watch you run around
‘Cause I know that you’re living a lie
That’s okay baby ’cause in time you will find…

What goes around, goes around, goes around
Comes all the way back around
What goes around, goes around, goes around
Comes all the way back around
What goes around, goes around, goes around
Comes all the way back around
What goes around, goes around, goes around
Comes all the way back around


What Goes Around… Comes Around
— Justin Timberlake

In Hock

Livin’ on a Prayer — Bon Jovi

I remember the atmosphere in the real estate market in 2004. There was excitement in the air, fortunes were to be made, and everyone had kool aid intoxication. It would have been impossible for those who drank the kool aid to even imagine they could lose money on the deal, particularly after the market continued higher for another 2 years. Fast forward to 2008, and most of these purchasers have less asset value than they paid, and prices are going lower every day. There is much denial in the market still. Everyone is livin’ on a prayer.

9 Hollyhock Kitchen

Asking Price: $609,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $152,250

Downpayment Needed: $121,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,075

Purchase Price: $679,000

Purchase Date: 6/29/2004

Address: 9 Hollyhock Dr., Irvine, CA 92602

Short Sale

Beds: 3
Baths: 2.5
Sq. Ft.: 1,700
$/Sq. Ft.: $358
Lot Size:
Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Other
Year Built: 1998
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: West Irvine
County: Orange
MLS#: S514086
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 177 days

Unsold in 90+ days

lite-brite Great entertaining floorplan! Spacious open kitchen with Euro white
cabinets & center island. Roomy Master Bedroom with large walk-in
closets. Upgraded Wood Floors, Plantation Shutters. Master bathroom
with separate shower and bath tub and dual sinks. Home is light and
bright with an inviting feel…..and no HOA Dues!

They certainly know how to chase the market:

Listing Price History

Date Price
Nov 30, 2007 $829,000
Dec 02, 2007 $759,000
Dec 11, 2007 $699,000
Jan 27, 2008 $649,000
Feb 07, 2008 $619,000
Feb 19, 2008 $609,000

Source: SoCalMLS

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These owners purchased the property with a $543,200 first mortgage and a 20% downpayment. They opened a HELOC for $98,000 on 8/9/2005. I hope for their sake they took the money out. If this property sells for it’s asking price, and the sellers pay a 6% commission, they stand to lose $106,540. If they took out the HELOC, then the property is a short sale.

These owners are going to eat a big loss because they did not game the system and withdraw all their equity and leave the bank holding the bag. What do you think about that? The prudent get punished while the irresponsible get away clean?

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Once upon a time
Not so long ago

Tommy used to work on the docks
Unions been on strike
Hes down on his luck…its tough, so tough
Gina works the diner all day
Working for her man, she brings home her pay
For love – for love

She says weve got to hold on to what weve got
cause it doesnt make a difference
If we make it or not
Weve got each other and thats a lot
For love – well give it a shot

Chorus:
Whooah, were half way there
Livin on a prayer
Take my hand and well make it – I swear
Livin on a prayer

Tommys got his six string in hock
Now hes holding in what he used
To make it talk – so tough, its tough
Gina dreams of running away
When she cries in the night
Tommy whispers baby its okay, someday

Weve got to hold on to what weve got
cause it doesnt make a difference
If we make it or not
Weve got each other and thats a lot
For love – well give it a shot

Chorus

Weve got to hold on ready or not
You live for the fight when its all that youve got

Livin’ on a Prayer — Bon Jovi

When Doves Cry ** Update **

This property went back to the bank on 1/10/2008 for $850,719. It was sold on 2/28/2008 to a couple who spent $789,000. They took out a $700,000 first mortgage, and they took out a $50,000 second on 4/14/2008. They now have $39,000 of their money into this property. Are they in it for the long haul? Or do you think they will abandon ship when the value of this drops down to about $600,000?

Dream if you can a courtyard
An ocean of violets in bloom
Animals strike curious poses
They feel the heat
The heat between me and you

How can you just leave me standing?
Alone in a world thats so cold? (so cold)
Maybe I’m just too demanding
Maybe I’m just like my father too bold
Maybe you’re just like my mother
Shes never satisfied (shes never satisfied)
5 Morning Dove Yard
Why do we scream at each other
This is what it sounds like
When doves cry

Touch if you will my stomach
Feel how it trembles inside
You’ve got the butterflies all tied up
Don’t make me chase you
Even doves have pride

When doves cry
When doves cry (doves cry, doves cry)
When doves cry (doves cry, doves cry)

Don’t cry (don’t cry)

When Doves Cry — Prince

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How do you explain to your children the family has to move out of their house? How much of an emotional toll does a foreclosure exact on a family? There are many reasons Houses Should Not Be a Commodity, but this one of the most important that does not involve money. There are those who are innocent victims of this mess. Who weeps for the children or for the pets?

5 Morning Dove Front5 Morning Dove Kitchen

Asking Price: $789,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $197,475

Downpayment Needed: $157,980

Purchase Price: $1,000,000

Purchase Date: 6/22/2005

Address: 5 Morning Dove, Irvine, CA 92604

Short Sale

Beds: 4
Baths: 3.5
Sq. Ft.: 2,440
$/Sq. Ft.: $324
Lot Size: 8,840 sq. ft.
Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Traditional
Year Built: 1977
Stories: Two Levels
Area: Woodbridge
County: Orange
MLS#: S519377
Status: Active
On Redfin: 2 days

Rollback
Hot Buy in Irvine. Home features a large backyard, recessed lighting, skylights, inside laundry room, a living room with a fireplace. 2 bedrooms have been added making this home feautre 6 bedrooms (permits unknown). Hurry and don’t miss this great opportunity.

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This listing really caught my eye. I came across this property by checking out foreclosureradar.com. The asking price is 21% off the purchase price in 2005. If this seller gets their asking price and pays a 6% commission, the total loss would be $257,494.

Lately, I haven’t even been interested unless the loss in measured in 6 figures. If I were more ambitious, I would add up the documented losses in the blog posts. I imagine the total is in the tens of millions just here in Irvine. No wonder the major banks are taking multi-billion dollar write downs. I suspect there is some crying on Wall Street…

WOT 5-24-2008

Against the Wind — Bob Seger

On Friday, May 23, 2008, I went to the Ron Paul rally in San Diego. My main purpose in going was to meet the man himself and speak with his senior staff and see if I could get them interested in my manuscript. If I could get Ron Paul to co-author or write a forward to my book, it would sell more copies. He mentions the collapse of the housing bubble in his stump speeches as part of the problems with a lack of fiscal discipline and the use of a fiat currency through the Federal Reserve. I bought a copy of his book, The Revolution: A Manifesto, but I didn’t wait through the two-hour line to get it signed. It was a cool, blustery day in San Diego. It rained for the hour before the rally, but it did not deter about 500 people from attending and listening to his hour-long stump speech. What surprised me was the number of young people there. I did not expect his message to resonate with young people. He isn’t offering any handouts. Maybe fiscal responsibility will not die in our society.

If you have never been to a political rally, they are very interesting events. It is easy to get caught up in the excitement of the crowd and the energy of the environment. What was interesting about seeing Ron Paul speak was the sense of being part of something much larger. There was almost a religious aspect to the gathering. Everyone there was interested in the “big picture” ideas of small government, fiscal conservatism and a non-interventionist foreign policy. All of the issues that excited people about Newt Gingrich back in the early 90s are now living on through Ron Paul in the late 00s. It is unfortunate that Newt Gingrich’s “Revolution” was such a dismal failure as his own party abandoned all the priciples he championed as they came to power. Ron Paul is likely to be a lonely voice trying to rekindle the flame of this revolution as few in his own party have an credibility on this issue, and the other party doesn’t even try. For the foreseeable future, we will be running Against the Wind. I wish him well in his quest, and if he wants to use my manuscript to further his cause (and help me sell 10 times as many copies,) I am all for it.

What do you think? Is Ron Paul good for the country?

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It seems like yesterday
But it was long ago
Janey was lovely, she was the queen of my nights
There in the darkness with the radio playlng low
And the secrets that we shared
The mountains that we moved
Caught like a wildfire out of control
Till there was nothing left to burn and nothing left to prove

And I remember what she said to me
How she swore that it never would end
I remember how she held me oh so tight
Wish I didnt know now what I didnt know then

Against the wind
We were runnin against the wind
We were young and strong, we were runnin
Against the wind

And the years rolled slowly past
And I found myself alone
Surrounded bv stranners I thought were my friends
I found myself further and further from my home
And I guess I lost my way
There were oh so many roads
I was living to run and running to live
Never worried about paying or even how much I owed
Moving eight miles a minute for months at a time
Breaking all of the rules that would bend
I began to find myself searchin
Searching for shelter again and again
Against the wind
A little something against the wind
I found myself seeking shelter against the wind

Well those drifters days are past me now
Ive got so much more to think about
Deadlines and commitments
What to leave in, what to leave out

Against the wind
Im still runnin against the wind
Well Im older now and still

Against the Wind — Bob Seger