Monthly Archives: January 2008

Unforgiven

New blood joins this earth

And quickly he’s subdued

Through constant pained disgrace

The young boy learns their rules

With time the child draws in

This whipping boy done wrong

Deprived of all his thoughts

The young man strugggles on and on he’s known

A vow unto his own

That never from this day

His will they’ll take away-eay

What I’ve felt

What I’ve known

Never shined through in what I’ve shown

Never be

Never see

Won’t see what might have been

What I’ve felt

What I’ve known

Never shined through in what I’ve shown

Never free

Never me

So I dub thee UNFORGIVEN

Unforgiven — Metallica

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Forgiveness is never an easy thing. There are some things that seem so wrong you don’t want to let people “off the hook” or you know you will see the behavior again. In the end, holding on to anger is far more destructive to the angry person than it is to the person to whom the anger is directed. Forgiveness is something one should do for their own sake.

The almost unbelievable irresponsibility with debt displayed by homeowners like today’s is so amazing, so far beyond any form of excusable behavior, that you have to wonder if it is right to forgive it. If someone borrows hundreds of thousands of dollars against their home and ends up with a short sale requiring the forgiveness of this debt, how do you feel about it? Remember America’s Debtor Prisons or Are Short Sales Moral? These questions do not go away. Does a really extreme case change your opinion about the subject? Let’s see…

9 Soaring Hawk Front9 Soaring Hawk Kitchen

Asking Price: $1,195,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $298,750

Downpayment Needed: $239,000

Purchase Price: $397,000

Purchase Date: 7/20/2001

Address: 9 Soaring Hawk, Irvine, CA 92614

Short Sale

Beds: 4
Baths: 2.5
Sq. Ft.: 2,960
$/Sq. Ft.: $404
Lot Size: 4,462 sq. ft.
Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Traditional
Year Built: 1984
Stories: Two Levels
Area: Woodbridge
County: Orange
MLS#: S517428
Status: Active
On Redfin: 12 days

WTF

Beautiful Woodbridge home has been expanded over 1000 sq ft to create an extra Large Kitchen, Great Room, Huge Master Bedroom complete with a Walk In Closet & a full size Customized Master Bath. Updated Kitchen includes Newer Appliances, Stainless Steel Refrigerator, Recessed Lights & Granite tile counters. This home is situated on a Private Lot with Gated Access to the Front Door. Walking distance to Parks, Pools and award winning Irvine Schools.

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So lets walk through the mortgage history of this property and see just how bad HELOC abuse can get…

  • 7-20-2001 The house was purchased for $397,000 with a first mortgage of $317,600 and a downpayment of $79,400.
  • 11-07-2001 HELOC for $48,000 taking out over half of downpayment.
  • 8-26-2002 Refinance for $360,000.
  • 11-26-2002 HELOC for $29,000
  • 11-26-2002 HELOC for $71,000
  • 6-18-2003 HELOC for $56,000
  • 6-18-2003 HELOC for $100,000
  • 6-1-2004 Refinance for 517,500 –probably paid off HELOCs at this point.
  • 10-22-1004 HELOC for 89,900.
  • 4-21-2005 Refinance first mortgage of $624,000
  • 4-21-2005 Refinance second mortgage of $156,000. Total debt of $780,000 at this point.
  • 9-12-2006 Refinance first mortgage of $948,750.
  • 9-12-2006 Refinance second mortgage of $189,750. Total debt of $1,138,500. No HELOCs

So there you have it. This homeowner went to the housing ATM 8 times over a 5 year period and pulled out $820,900. Now they have a property priced at a WTF asking price hoping they can find some knife catcher to come pay off their bills. Even if you wanted to buy this house, would you do it knowing that you were about to pay for $820,900 worth of consumer spending (They may have spent $200,000 on the renovation, but please spare me the BS about investment or illness or any of that crap. Look at the pattern of withdrawals. They spent it, and you know it.) I suppose the lender can always hope these people stashed some of this money away somewhere to cover the shortfall at the closing table. Doesn’t seem very likely, does it?

Hell

Consumed by greed, the homedebtors will be seeking forgiveness for their debts and sins. Our major religions believe forgiveness is a good idea, or should this behavior remain unforgiven?

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Lord’s PrayerOur Father

which art in heaven,

Hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come.

Thy will be done

in earth, as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our debts,

as we forgive

our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation,

but deliver us from evil:

[For thine is the kingdom, and the power,

and the glory, for ever. Amen.]

The Lord’s Prayer — Matthew 6:9-13

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I bet you didn’t think I could get Metallica and the Lord’s Prayer in the same post and have it make sense.

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That concludes another week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

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Rain

This one goes out to a struggling realtors lurking on the blog. We feel for you…

Out of work, I'm out of my head

Out of self respect, I'm out of bread

I'm underloved, I'm underfed, I wanna go home

Will you tell the folks back home I nearly made it

Had offers but didn't know which one to take

Please don't tell 'em how you found me

Don't tell 'em how you found me

Gimme a break, give me a break

Seems it never rains in southern California

Seems I've often heard that kind of talk before

It never rains in California

But girl don't they warn ya

It pours, man it pours

It Never Rains in Southern California — Albert Hammond

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Today I want to look at the rental market and share with you some properties that caught my eye as good deals in the market. I have not been to any of these properties, so I don't know anything more than what is shown on the internet. A careful inspection of the property may reveal it to be less of a deal than it appears. Also, as a way to relate these properties to fundamental valuations in the for-sale market, I will provide links to comparable properties.

To start, I will share with you one of the craigslist scans I use to get a quick feel for changes in the rental market. I will search for 4 bedrooms in Irvine under $3,000. By limiting the search to 4 bedrooms, I avoid all the Irvine Company spam advertising their apartments, and by setting the limit under $3,000, I get a small enough list to tell at a glance if product availability is growing or shrinking. This scan turns up the following properties that appear to be a good deal:

$2500 / 4br – 4bed/2.5bath w/2088 sqft in Northwood

$2500 / 4br – 3 BR 1 Office Almost New Home in Irvine

$2550 / 4br – Spacious University Park Townhouse

The one at 4601 Kimberwick Circle (second one on the list) looks like a particularly good deal, IMO.

One interesting note is the decline in prices on these 4 bedroom properties. Last year, it was difficult to find a 4 bedroom under $2,800. As you can see above, the leading edge of the 4 bedroom market has dropped to $2,500. This would put the valuation of older, not-updated 4 bedroom properties at around $400K based on a 160 gross rent multiplier. So what are asking prices on properties meeting this description in Irvine?

4242 Rafael Front4242 Rafael Kitchen

Price: $650,000

4242 Rafael ST, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 4
Baths: 2.5
Sq. Ft.: 1,800
$/Sq. Ft.: $361
Lot Size: 5,139 sq. ft.
Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1975
Stories: Two Levels
Area: El Camino Real
County: Orange
MLS#: S514960
Status: Active
On Redfin: 42 days

Beautiful family home in great family neighborhood. Three lots from greenbelt leading to park, pool and elementary school. Centrally located in the well kept community of Greentree on a lightly travelled street and away from busy streets. A sunny back yard with jacuzzi invites gardening and relaxing. A downstairs master bedroom increases this home's appeal. A newer shake-like tile roof, remodeled kitchen and many other upgrades add to the quality of life for the new owners.

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Can you spot the misspelled word?

148 Saint James Front148 Saint James Kitchen

Price: $640,000

148 SAINT JAMES #56, IRVINE, CA 92606

Beds: 4
Baths: 3.5
Sq. Ft.:
Lot Size:
Property Type: Single Family Residential
Area: Out of Area
County: Orange
MLS#: 07-235205
Status: Active
On Redfin: 69 days

BEAUTIFUL GATED 4+ 3.5 TWO STORY IN PARK LANE IRVINE. BRING ALL OFFERS!!!! POSSIBLE SHORT SALE /LENDERS APPROVAL. PROPERTY AS IS, NEEDS A LITTLE PAINT. LOWEST 4 BED IN THE TRACT!!!HOA FEE LOW. GREAT COMMUNITY. A MUST SEE!!

ALL CAPS, multiple exclamation points. This is written by someone with an advanced degree in awful real estate writing. I wonder if they go away to seminars to learn to write this poorly, or if they just copy each other's bad habits.

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As you can see, the leading edge of pricing for these properties is around $650,000, and based on the comparative rents from the craigslist properties, the values for an owner-occupant are closer to $400,000. At the peak, prices were double (100% overvaluation) their fundamental worth based on rents. Now that properties have declined about 20% from the peak, the level of overvaluation is somewhat less. We are a bit less than half way to the point where prices in the market are at parity with rental valuations. Of course, if rents decline — and they appear to be showing some downward pressure — then valuations will drop.

When I did my initial Predictions for the Irvine Housing Market I did not factor in the potential impact of a severe recession causing a decline in rental rates.

Irvine Housing Market Prediction Chart

In the post How Bad Could Bad Get?, I did.

Irvine Market Decline Extreme

BTW, I lifted the chart below from Pigginton.com. San Diego peaked 1 year before we did. Will Irvine's chart look like this in 2008?

Sand Diego Prices

While we are looking at rain, let me share another video with you…

"I'm Singing in the Rain", Gene Kelly

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Under $200K

I hear the train a comin’

It’s rollin’ ’round the bend,

And I ain’t seen the sunshine,

Since, I don’t know when,

I’m stuck in Folsom Prison,

And time keeps draggin’ on,

But that train keeps a-rollin’,

On down to San Antone.

Well, if they freed me from this prison,

If that railroad train was mine,

I bet I’d move out over a little,

Farther down the line,

Far from Folsom Prison,

That’s where I want to stay,

And I’d let that lonesome whistle,

Blow my Blues away.

Folsom Prison Blues — Johnny Cash

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Today’s property is the lowest priced unit in Irvine, and it is very near the breakeven point for an owner occupant as evidenced by these comparative rental units asking $1,095 and $1,195. The problem is the same one all small condos face: who wants to be an owner-occupant? This unit is a tiny prison, and the person who buys it is going to be trapped there for the duration of the bear market. They would probably be listening to a lot of Johnny Cash…

171 Streamwood Front 171 Streamwood Kitchen

Asking Price: $179,500IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $44,875

Downpayment Needed: $35,900

Purchase Price: $191,826

Purchase Date: 6/11/2007

Address: 171 Streamwood, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 0
Baths: 1
Sq. Ft.: 415
$/Sq. Ft.: $433
Lot Size:
Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 1977
Stories: One Level
View(s): Trees/Woods, Water
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: S517557
Status: Active
On Redfin: 9 days

Great Location at a Fantastic Price! Enjoy the sounds of meandering streams from one of the least expensive condos in all of Irvine. This studio unit is on the ground floor within a great community close to shopping, dining and transportation. numerous association amenities including 2 clubhouses, 2 pools, 2 spas, and tennis courts make this a great place to live!!!

The two needless capital letters at the beginning were excusable, but then he added three exclamation points after offering his dubious opinion of “great” living. Do you really think this realtor thinks this is a great place to live?

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Sales History

Date………………Price

06/11/2007 $191,826

03/21/2005 $210,000

04/16/1998 $57,500

I am not sure if this was an REO or just a really stupid flip attempt. In either case, the 2007 purchase was a discount off the 2005 price. If the current seller can get their asking price, they stand to lose $23,132 after a 6% commission. Of course if this is an REO, and if the lender had $210,000 in it originally, the loss is closer to $45,000.

Also take note of the 1998 price. This was probably its worth to an investor in 1998 using a 100 GRM. This unit or similar ones will probably be heading down to the 100-120 GRM range because the only people who would be interested in owning them would be an investor looking for positive cashflow as a rental. This is also one of the reasons condos will crash particularly hard in the bear market because people will not want to be imprisoned in one for long.

Autumn

To everything (turn, turn, turn)

There is a season (turn, turn, turn)

And a time for every purpose, under heaven

A time to be born, a time to die

A time to plant, a time to reap

A time to kill, a time to heal

A time to laugh, a time to weep

A time to build up,a time to break down

A time to dance, a time to mourn

A time to cast away stones, a time to gather stones together

A time of love, a time of hate

A time of war, a time of peace

A time you may embrace, a time to refrain from embracing

A time to gain, a time to lose

A time to rend, a time to sew

A time to love, a time to hate

A time for peace, I swear its not too late

To everything (turn, turn, turn)

There is a season (turn, turn, turn)

And a time for every purpose, under heaven

Turn, Turn, Turn — Pete Seeger / The Byrds / Bible (Ecclesiastes 3, verses 1–8)

Sorry to recycle this song, but it is very fitting for today’s post…

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If you compare the cycles of the housing market to the cycles of the seasons, our local housing market is entering Autumn. Spring was from 1997-2001, Summer was from 2002-2006, and Autumn began in 2007 and will likely continue through 2009, Winter will be here from 2010-2012. Spring will come again, but only after a cold, dark winter.

68 Autumn Front 68 Autumn Kitchen

Asking Price: $699,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $174,975

Downpayment Needed: $139,980

Purchase Price: $620,500

Purchase Date: 11/14/2007

Address: 68 Autumn, Irvine, CA 92602

Sales History

REO

Date………..Price

11/14/2007.. $620,500

09/29/2006.. $835,000

08/28/2003.. $628,000

Beds: 4
Baths: 3.5
Sq. Ft.: 2,341
$/Sq. Ft.: $299
Lot Size:
Type: Condominium
Style: Mediterranean
Year Built: 2001
Stories: Two Levels
Area: West Irvine
County: Orange
MLS#: U8000308
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

LENDER OWNED. Fantastic detached end unit home with 2 master suites, one upstairs and one on main floor. Large living room with french doors that open to a private patio, inside laundry room, beautiful tile floors, and a nice quiet location at the end of the street. Walking distance to Homestead Park.

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It is nice to document asking prices, but it is even better to document final sales prices in the market.

Today’s listing is sale that closed at 25% off its peak sales price in 2006, and it is a 2003 rollback.

The REOs are obliterating the market, and in doing so, they will drive more homeowners underwater which will create even more REOs: a downward spiral. This is the dynamic of the market, and it will continue to be until enough buyers enter the market to absorb all the inventory. Right now in the market, the desire is there (remnant kool aid intoxication,) but the lack of available credit is getting in the way (just as was predicted in Houses Should Not Be a Commodity.) The realtors are out right now trying to convince people it is the negative media creating the problem. This is not accurate. The credit markets are creating the problem. Market psychology has not changed yet, and people are still trying to buy. Later this year, market psychology really will change as people fully accept the price rally was a bubble and prices will decline further. This change in market psychology will fuel the next leg down in the market continuing through 2009.

Pretending

How many times must we tell the tale?

How many times must we fall?

Living in lost memory

You just recalled

Working on the sound of the band

Trying to get the music right

Two go out working

Three stay home at night

Thats when she said she was pretending

Like she knew the plan

Thats when I knew she was pretending

Pretending to understand

Pretending, pretending

Pretending, pretending

Pretending — Eric Clapton

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Human nature is to spend everything you make. It takes discipline to save money and accumulate wealth, and most people do not have it. When house prices were rising, every homeowner suddenly faced with a dramatic increase in their yearly “income,” if they drank the kool aid and learned to view appreciation as income. Many, many people did what human nature would compel them to do — they took this free money and spent it. Given the pressures in Orange County to look and act rich, the temptation of all this “unliberated equity” was too much for many to resist. Pretending to be making a great deal of money and being rich became a way of life to many in Irvine. It went on for so long, it became part of their identity. These people actually believed they were rich. The influx of free money through appreciation was considered an entitlement for homeowners; something that would go on forever.

Mortgage Equity Withdrawal

Some have argued rampant equity extraction was not widespread, and it will not be the cause of many foreclosures. As an observer of human nature, I would argue this was very widespread; it had to be. The chart above illustrates the dramatic increase in mortgage equity extraction. It serves as a testament to the foolishness of many homeowners. Your average person cannot stay out of credit card debt, what would lead someone to believe they would treat mortgage debt any differently, particularly when they believed their house would go up in value and pay for it?

Often times the lessons we learn in youth stay with us for a lifetime. When these are good lessons, they serve us well for our lives; when they are bad lessons… I did not pay much attention to mortgage matters in my household growing up, but I know my parents never overextended themselves to buy a house, and they never took out equity to spend on things. In fact, it would have never even occurred to them to do so. Perhaps it is my Midwestern upbringing, or perhaps it is just not growing up in a bubble market where such things are possible, but when I see the financial behavior of people during the bubble, I am simply astonished.

Perhaps the big picture is easier to grasp when you see specific examples of this phenomenon in action. Today’s post is a profile of two pretenders: people who faked being rich for several years by living off their appreciation through mortgage equity extraction. Sometimes I cannot decide which is more amazing, that people would do this at all, or that they could sustain this lifestyle for so long.

4032 Northpark Circle Front4032 Northpark Circle Kitchen

Asking Price: $799,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $199,750

Downpayment Needed: $159,800

Purchase Price: $328,000

Purchase Date: 12/6/2001

Address: 4032 Northpark Circle, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 5
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,088
$/Sq. Ft.: $383
Lot Size: 5,500 sq. ft.
Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Other
Year Built: 1971
Stories: Two Levels
View(s): Pool
Area: Walnut
County: Orange
MLS#: P617353
Status: Active
On Redfin: 8 days

Charming family home with an open floor plan. Enjoy the convinience of a main floor bedroom & bathroom. Inviting living room with high ceilings and fireplace. Remodeled kithchen with granite counters and a center island. Cozy family room is adjacent to the kithen and it boasts wood floors. Master bedroom is extra spacious and it has its own balcony. Enjoy your own swimming pool and still lots of space to enjoy gardening and entertaining outside. Front, back and side yard are landscaped and hardscaped with lots of fruit trees. Inside laundry for your convinience. Wonderful location is central to shopping, schools, and library; all within walking distance.

convinience? kithchen? kithen?

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So how did these people manage their mortgage debt? They bought the property in December 2001 for $328,000, and they had a $307,263 first mortgage. They put just over $20,000 of their own money into the deal. One year later, they opened a $80,000 HELOC. In 2004, they refinanced for $490,000 taking out about $180,000. Hopefully, they paid off the HELOC, at least temporarily. Later that year, they took out a new $30,000 HELOC. Then in July of 2005, they refinanced again for $650,000 with a 1% Option ARM. They have owned the house for less than 4 years at this point, and they have withdrawn $342,737. I guess this wasn’t enough, because later in 2005, they took out three more HELOCs for $24,000, $82,000 and $24,000 respectively. This property has at least $650,000 in mortgage debt, and assuming they took out and spent the HELOC money (it would be a continuation of their pattern,) they have over $750,000 in debt to pay off. So when you look at the $799,000 asking price, and think they are doubling their money, think again: if they don’t get their asking price, this is going to be a short sale.

$100K a year in consumer spending — pretending…

5 Altezza Front5 Altezza Kitchen

Asking Price: $599,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $131,225

Downpayment Needed: $149,750

Purchase Price: $291,000

Purchase Date: 2/19/1999

Address: 5 Altezza, Irvine, CA 92606

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Beds: 3
Baths: 2.5
Sq. Ft.: 1,500
$/Sq. Ft.: $399
Lot Size:
Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1996
Stories: Two Levels
View(s): Trees/Woods, Has View
Area: Westpark
County: Orange
MLS#: P617433
Status: Active
On Redfin: 7 days

SHORT SALE PROPERTY. Cozy fire place in Living room, Step to School, Park. Close to major FREEWAY (5 & 405,Toll Rd), shopping center, professional offices and restaurants. Custom window coverings, Custom Office, Built in closet organizer, spacious Patio next to kitchen. Former MODEL HOME W/ low HOA.

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The price is double what they paid, but it is a short sale. There is only one way to do that: borrow and spend your equity. This seller is an example of someone who tried to be good, but they were seduced by the dark side. Darth VaderThey bought the place in 1999, and they put $58,200 down. For three and a half years, they were fiscally responsible and did not expand their mortgage. In late 2002, they gave in an refinanced for $300,000 taking out their downpayment and a few dollars more. Apparently, this “equity liberation” was rewarding because they opened a $90,000 HELOC in the spring of 2003. At this point, kool aid intoxication had set in and their journey to the dark side was complete. The refinanced in late 2003 for $390,000 apparently paying off their first HELOC, but they opened another one for $100,000. That one only lasted until summer of 2004 when they refinanced again for $497,000 to pay off their other mortgages. Having not learned their lesson, they took out another $88,000 HELOC a few months later. By spring of 2006, they were broke again, so they refinanced for $547,000 and took out another $100,000 HELOC. From 2002 to 2006, they took out and spent $414,200 assuming they spent the final HELOC. So now they have $647,000 in debt on a property they paid $291,000 for. A sale at $600,000 will not pay off the debt, and it will be a short sale. It was a great run, wasn’t it? They had 4 years of pretending they were rich.

So what do you think about this behavior?

Think about the impact this money had on our local economy, and think about what it will mean when this money disappears. Do you see why I contend we will have a severe local recession?

Pretending…

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I would like to take this opportunity to thank Brittney for researching these properties and providing me with this information. Without her hard work, I would not be able to bring these stories to you, and these stories need to be told. Some people feel our work here is an invasion of privacy (despite all the information being public record.) These people and those who behaved in a similar fashion deserve to be exposed to the general public. This behavior should be scrutinized for what it is: irresponsible. If these owners find it humiliating, then perhaps they won’t do it again… No, who am I kidding? They will do it again.