Mortgage squatters now average over 500 days in delinquency

Feb 8th, 2011  
by IrvineRenter  in Library News

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-02-08 08:29 AM

It’s hard for me to understand why Columbus Grove is not considered to be Irvine, and doesn’t command the Irvine premium.

It has a lot going for it.  The location for one seems to be prime next to the District, very close to the Irvine business center, good schools, nice grounds, brand new with extremely nice interiors.

The HOAs and mello roos are very high.  That’s certainly a negative.  Maybe it has a high concentration of condos and apartments but that’s true of most of Irvine.  I’ve heard all the toxic waste or garbage dump rumors, again I imagine that’s true for most of Irvine.

The fact is CG doesn’t command the Irvine premium.  It’s a shame because these units are nice.  Even at this price it commands a $3000 per month cost of ownership.  Someone is going to be very happy at this price.

Are the single family houses here still going for $1M?

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2011-02-08 08:41 AM

You surprise me. I figured you, tenmagnet, and a few others would pile on that CG is a cesspool and TIC properties are far superior.

I remember watching as Lennar kept lowering prices and adding incentives to finish their buildout. They crushed prices in a relatively short period of time. During this same period, the Irvine Company completely shut down production to preserve values on their land.

What we are left with is the imbalance of price premiums caused by the Lennar close out. Will it stay that way? I doubt it. I think Columbus Grove will equalize over time with nearby Irvine neighborhoods. It may not quite reach parity with Westpark, but it will match College Park, Woodbridge, Deerfield, and El Camino Real.

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-02-08 08:50 AM

IR I only state the facts.  Fact is it does not command the Irvine premium.  IMHO this location has many benefits for someone looking to buy in Irvine.  However that buyer would need to buy in Irvine, as you can get much more near by at $3000 per month.  Don’t get me wrong, CG still has a premium when you factor in all the cost,, but it’s not the Irvine premium.  I’m sure others won’t disappoint in bashing CG.

Side comment the buyers here are definitely not coming to the table with an FHA loan.  You need to make that more realistic for Irvine.

Astute Observation by tenmagnet
2011-02-08 11:03 AM

The large decline in value in CG highlights the fact that TIC communities are top-tier and far superior to their Lennar counterparts.
Strong buyer demand in Irvine is based on quality and location.
In this particular vicinity Northwood Pointe, Northpark and Woodbury reign supreme.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-02-08 06:15 PM

But I thought the premium was all about the school system and parents were buying these Irvine houses for the sake of the children getting an amazing education and living in a safe area.  And now look at all of these blog posts citing trivial superficial reasons to not want to live in this area.

Astute Observation by Vincenzo
2011-02-08 09:25 AM

Buildings in Columbus Grove have almost no yard space compared to old communities. Everyhing is crowded.

And yes, people who live there complain about high taxes.

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-02-08 09:55 AM

I agree, that’s a huge draw back.  At the very least they should have built these units with root top decks.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-02-08 06:17 PM

But, think about it!  The school system! The children!

Astute Observation by wheresthebeef
2011-02-08 10:07 AM

I think Planet Reality bought in Columbus Grove. smile

Any location within a short distance to a trash/recycling center is NOT prime.  Throw in the high HOA, Mello Roos and massive quantity of underwater owners and that spells trouble.

Astute Observation by irvine_home_owner
2011-02-08 12:47 PM

No local elementary school might be a factor. Although CG feeds into one of the top elem schools in the city, Stonecreek.

Proximity to Jamboree Audobon, power lines and waste facility are others… and don’t forget… it was a former military base (although on the housing side of it). The paperwork disclosures you had to sign were pretty scary (we almost bought there).

The SFRs are still pricey, I’m not sure if IR is totally correct that the house size/price is comparable to El Camino across the board.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-02-08 06:09 PM

Irvine HO -

Are you saying that you would not live next to power lines or a waste facility for the sake of the children‘s education?

Astute Observation by irvine_home_owner
2011-02-08 06:22 PM

If you ever have children of your own… you can answer this question yourself.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-02-08 06:28 PM

But don’t you find it odd; all of the blog posts from people who are worried about things like power lines, waste facilities, neighbors toilets, small yards, etc.  And not a single post from anyone saying that they would move there for the sake of the children despite some of those superficial flaws.

Yet high prices elsewhere are totally justified because folks are just doing it for the children and not at all keeping up with the Joneses.

Astute Observation by BHC
2011-02-15 03:42 PM

It’s right next to Jamboree, which at that point travels at highway speeds (60mph)

There’s also some kind of quarry on the corner of Baranca and Jamboree.  I believe a bus depot is also near by.

While the District is nearby, I wouldn’t consider it walking distance, since you have to walk past some light-industrial areas.  There’s a public storage in between, IIRC, if you walk on Warner.

From CG, it’s much better to walk east towards Culver, through different communities and their greenbelts, and away from Jamboree.

Astute Observation by NewportCoastRenter
2011-02-08 09:19 AM

IR: Thoughts re this?

WSJ: Cash Buyers Lift Housing
Bargain Hunting Boosts Prices in Depressed Cities; Broader Asset Rebound Spreads

Buyers in markets around the U.S. are snapping up homes in all-cash deals, betting that prices are at or near bottom and breathing life into some of the nation’s most battered housing markets.

Cash buyers represented more than half of all transactions in the Miami-Fort Lauderdale area last year, according to an analysis from real-estate portal Zillow.com. In the fourth quarter of 2006, they represented just 13% of deals. Meanwhile, downtown Miami prices rose 15% in 2010 from a year earlier, according to the Miami Downtown Development Authority.

WSJ’s Mitra Kalita reports more and more homebuyers are selling investments to pay cash for real estate, sensing a bottom in the housing market.

The percentage of buyers in Phoenix paying cash hit 42% in 2010—more than triple the rate in 2008, according to Raymond James’s equity research division.

Nationally, 28% of sales were all-cash transactions last year, according to the National Association of Realtors. The rate was 14% in October 2008, when the trade group began tracking the measure.

The jump in real-estate purchases made with cash is another sign of the revival of animal spirits in the U.S. economy.

Astute Observation by octal77
2011-02-08 10:50 AM

“animal spirits” ??

Exactly who are these buyers?

A clue to those who have sufficient assets actually make such a purchase are here:

https://advisors.vanguard.com/iwe/pdf/Spectrem_UHNW_report.pdf

Are we to believe that households with $500K -$1mm in liquid cash are suddenly going to go out and buy real estate for cash?

Anybody else have better data?

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-02-08 11:41 AM

This data is correct, IR would be the best person to validate in Las Vegas were I’ve heard as high as 50% are all cash.

This works as long as you have an endless supply of specuvestors with access to debt to flip your 100% cash purchase.

Welcome to the US bubble economy.

Astute Observation by Mattman
2011-02-08 06:32 PM

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/feb/08/51-percent-las-vegas-homes-purchased-cash-january/

Las Vegas Sun reported 51% of sales are from cash buyers.

Astute Observation by Sue in Irvine
2011-02-08 09:20 AM

I just can’t believe someone paid $801,500 for this place back in Nov. 2006. I remember looking at the models for fun. The outdoor space is that little front patio and you’re squeezed in between your neighbors. And is that $801,500 before the updates they did? Wow. Unreal.

Astute Observation by lee in irvine
2011-02-08 10:35 AM

Lenders set price ... buyers & sellers are pawns.

Astute Observation by PnL
2011-02-08 11:42 AM

500k to hear your neighbor flush their toilet? HA!

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-02-08 06:12 PM

Don’t be so selfish.  Think of the education that the children are going to get in that school system.

Astute Observation by jb
2011-02-08 11:49 AM

The power lines next to Columbus Grove (and part of Westpark) are a big turn-off for me.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-02-08 06:13 PM

Yes, but you need to stop thinking about you.  Do it for the children.  They will get an amazing education.

Astute Observation by Chili Palmer
2011-02-08 12:47 PM

There could be a movie in this story, working title: (500) Days of Squatter.

Astute Observation by lee in irvine
2011-02-08 02:07 PM

The 10-year bond is taking it on the chin again today, up another 8 bps, yielding 3.73%.  That may not sound like a lot, but it’s up about 145 bps in the last 4 months and/or since The Fed announced QE2.

JMO ~ This is exactly what The Fed doesn’t want because they know low mortgage rates are key to housing affordability.  They want rates to remain low while they create reserves (dollars), hoping to inflate the economy quickly enough so that the banks can dump all these nonperforming assets at prices that are much closer to par (the banks capital cost).

Follow me ...

Most of us know that the banks do not have to mark an asset to market until the asset is sold to another party.  Even when the property becomes an REO, they don’t have to take the loss until they sell it to another party.

ALSO, when a borrower stops making the payments on the house, it becomes a nonperforming asset.  HOWEVER, the banks get to continue to accrue phantom interest on that non performing asset and include this phantom interest on their quarterly/annual statements as income.  This is the primary reason why the banks are showing healthy profits, and the bonuses are back to pre-2008 levels again.

The trick for the Fed is to inflate the economy while keeping interest rates low.  This is how The Fed is gonna try to save the insolvent banks.  Now The Fed has become the primary buyer of new government issued debt (Quantitative Easing).  This puts more dollars into the economy, while suppressing bond yields.

This is indeed a zombie economy, and it ain’t gonna work.

If I were in charge of govt/banking policy, I’d seize all the big banks, destroy the equity and bond holders, markdown all the assets, transfer that to households.  Then I’d break the big banks up, recapitalize them as public IPOs, and make them compete.  And I’d do all this while reestablishing Glass Steagall.

What are the odds of that happening?  0

Astute Observation by newbie2008
2011-02-08 02:14 PM

I suspect that most of the 100% cash are court auction sales and flippers.

Las Vegas market is basically a different kind of market than Irvine.  LV was filled with lots of second houses or vacation properties.  It’s alot easy to give up the extra house instead of your primary residence.

The decreasing number of loans serious delinquent is a sign of either economical improvement or issuing new loans or modification to cover/hide the delinquencies.

Astute Observation by sherriff
2011-02-08 03:14 PM

As a Chicagoan, it is funny to see how the topic of discussion changes from squatters nationwide, to local Irvine housing trends.  No wonder this blog is called Irvine Housing Blog.

In any event, does anyone have an opinion on squatters who game the system, or is that old news?

Astute Observation by DarthFerret
2011-02-08 03:53 PM

“Funny” how? Isn’t your reasoning kinda backwards? Why wouldn’t you say, because this is the Irvine Housing Blog, it’s not at all surprising that discussion centers around Irvine housing trends with some discussion of nationwide issues?

Wouldn’t that just make more sense for the Irvine Housing Blog? It would be odd/illogical/strange/“funny” if it wasn’t that way.

-Darth

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-02-08 06:03 PM

Squatters are so old news.  Even I don’t care anymore.  They live each day worrying if tomorrow will be the day.  They will eventually be dragged out and then will be forced to adopt a lower standard of living.  The banks are choosing not to move on them, but they will get around to it.  Personally, I would much rather sleep at night than get some free rent and worry about what the future holds.

Astute Observation by Anonymous
2011-02-08 11:31 PM

The landlords are ready and waiting for them with open arms…

Forecast: O.C. rents to soar 4.5% in ’11

http://lansner.ocregister.com/2011/02/01/forecast-o-c-rents-to-soar-4-5-in-11/97760/

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-02-08 06:06 PM

Extra wide base boards!  HOLY COW!

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2011-02-08 10:15 PM

I hope I can find a place for that one. Classic.

Astute Observation by Anonymous
2011-02-08 08:07 PM

Home Affordability Returns to Pre-Bubble Levels

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703313304576132291585938656.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection

Astute Observation by Foreign Cash Buyer
2011-02-08 11:15 PM

The power lines are closer to Westpark than they are to CG.  Westpark prices haven’t cratered (yet).

Astute Observation by Chicken Li'l
2011-02-08 11:58 PM

THIS time it’s for REAL: THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

Astute Observation by .
2011-02-09 12:12 AM

calculator is broken
http://www.idealhomebrokers.com/calculator/

Astute Observation by zovall
2011-02-09 12:40 AM

Hmm.. can you tell me what is broken?  I just visited the link and it worked for me.  I know some people have had issues in the past.

Astute Observation by .
2011-02-09 02:39 AM

hmmm works now.

it was timing out so there was an error message being displayed saying “timed out” or some such error message, instead of showing the spreadsheet.

maybe a problem with the network and not being able to load from the editgrid site?

Astute Observation by zovall
2011-02-09 07:57 AM

Might be.. The tool we are using for the spreadsheet no longer offers any support.  They said they will allow people to continue using it but I’m not sure how long they can do that if there isn’t a business around it.

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