Viewing real estate as an investment creates volatility in housing markets

When a house was viewed purely as shelter, prices were generally stable. Once investment motives entered buyer's decision process, prices begin a wild ride resulting in a cycle of boom and bust.

Irvine Home Address … 16 FOXHILL Irvine, CA 92604

Resale Home Price …… $789,900

As you're watchin' all your days go by

Lookin' back on younger years

That's what our hopes and dreams are made of

All the laughter and the tears

Slaughter — Days Gone By

Most people who bought houses during the 00s did so with dreams of riches. Those dreams materialized in laughter for some, tears and financial slaughter for others.

Bricks and slaughter

Property is widely seen as a safe asset. It is arguably the most dangerous of all, says Andrew Palmer

Mar 3rd 2011

… Why is property so dangerous? One obvious answer is the sheer size of the asset class. The aggregate value of property held by American households in the peak year of 2006 was $22.7 trillion, their biggest single asset by a wide margin (pension-fund reserves were next, at $12.8 trillion). Working out the figures in other countries involves much more guesswork. Back in 2002 this newspaper reckoned that residential property in the rich world as a whole was worth about $48 trillion and the commercial sort $15 trillion: if you allow for property-price changes in the intervening period, the current values, even after the bust, would be $52 trillion and $28 trillion (see chart 1), or 126% and 67% respectively of the rich countries’ combined GDP in 2010. Whatever the precise number, property is so big that when credit conditions loosen it is likely to absorb a lot of the extra liquidity; and when something goes wrong the effects will be serious.

An even bigger reason to beware of property is the amount of debt it involves. Most people do not borrow to buy shares and bonds, and if they do, the degree of leverage usually hovers around half the value of the investment. Moreover, when stock prices fall, borrowers can usually get their loan-to-value ratios back into balance by selling some of the shares. By contrast, in many pre-crisis housing markets buyers routinely took on loans worth 90% or more of the value of the property. Most had no way of bringing down their debt short of selling the whole house. …

The leverage in housing is great when prices go up, but when they go down…. Stocks are primarily investments held with discretionary income whereas houses are consumptive shelter — a necessary expense of living. When stock prices crash, people may lose some money, but their losses are generally limited to their investment. Even in leveraged investing, a brokerage will liquidate before equity dips below zero. In housing there is no such stoploss. In a housing crash, people are wiped out and go bankrupt.

With only a small sliver of their own capital to protect them, many owners were quickly pushed into negative equity when property prices fell. As borrowers defaulted, the banks’ losses started to erode their own thin layers of capital. “Banks are leveraged and property is leveraged, so there is double leverage,” says Brian Robertson, who runs HSBC’s British and European operations and used to be the bank’s chief risk officer. “That is why a property crash is a problem for the banks.”

In other words, the money banks lost is money they didn't have.

Property bubbles almost always start because fundamentals such as population growth, interest rates and economic expansion are benign. A shrinking population weighs on Germany’s housing market, for example, and a rising one underpins long-term confidence in America’s. These fundamentals explain why many market participants are able to persuade themselves that huge price rises are justified and sustainable.

We see a microcosm of this phenomenon here where fools deny a housing bubble ever happened.

Chastened regulators now talk about a presumption of guilt, not innocence, when prices look frothy. That is because property markets are inefficient in several ways which make it more likely that they will overshoot.

Cycle paths

For the lenders, property is attractive in part because it attracts lower capital charges than most other assets. That makes sense—the loan is secured by a tangible asset that will retain some value if the borrower defaults—but it can also lead to overlending. Indeed, one of the bigger ironies of the property bubble was that lenders and investors probably thought they were being relatively prudent.

The investors buying toxic loans were usually purchasing them through collateralized debt obligations blessed by ratings agencies with AAA status.

Capital charges are higher for commercial property than for homes but banks can still be seduced by the apparent stability of a real asset producing predictable cash flows. “Commercial real estate is often a borrower of last resort,” says Bart Gysens, an analyst at Morgan Stanley. “It tends to be willing to absorb a bit more debt if and when banks and debt markets want to provide it.”

Collateralised lending offers a degree of protection to the individual lender, but it has some unfortunate systemic effects. One is the feedback loop between asset prices and the availability of credit. In a boom, rising property prices increase the value of the collateral held by banks, which makes them more willing to extend credit. Easier credit means that property can sell for more, driving up house prices further.

That is a fancy description of a banking Ponzi scheme.

The loop operates in reverse, too. As prices fall, lenders tighten their standards, forcing struggling borrowers to sell and speeding up the decline in prices. Since property accounts for so much of the financial system’s aggregate balance-sheet, losses from real-estate busts are likely to be synchronised across banks.

The credit cycle of boom and bust is just as the author describes. Once you understand the cycle, it is easy to foresee problems like the credit crunch of 2007 — the timing is always tough, but the inevitability is easy to see. It's a bit like inflation is today. We all know its coming, but nobody is quite sure when it will arrive.

Borrowers, too, contribute to the inefficiency of property markets, particularly on the residential side. Some people think that renting will enjoy a renaissance as a result of the crisis (see article), but few expect a wholesale, permanent shift in attitudes. Unlike other assets, housing is seen both as an investment and something to consume. In its latest survey of consumer attitudes in July 2010, Fannie Mae, one of America’s two housing-finance giants, found that Americans wanted to buy houses for a range of reasons, from providing a safe environment for their children and having more control over their living space to making a financial return. In China there is another item to put on the list: for many young men owning a property is a prerequisite for attracting a wife.

This mixture of motives can be toxic for financial stability. If housing were like any other consumer good, rising prices should eventually dampen demand. But since it is also seen as a financial asset, higher values are a signal to buy.

That's kool aid intoxication. What should be taken as a sign that prices are too high instead motivates more buying. Buy now or be priced out forever, right? Once that fear overcomes a market, the combination of greed and fear motivates some truly irrational buyer behavior. Remember when people used to write passionate letters to sellers to bestow them the honor of ownership?

And if housing were simply a financial investment, buyers might be clearer-eyed in their decision-making. People generally do not fall in love with government bonds, and Treasuries have no other use to compensate for a fall in value. Housing is different. Greg Davies, a behavioural-finance expert at Barclays Wealth, says the experience of buying a home is a largely emotional one, similar to that of buying art. That makes it likelier that people will pay over the odds. Commercial property is a more rational affair, although hubris can play a part: there is nothing like a picture of a trophy property to adorn a fund manager’s annual report.

Once house prices start to rise, the momentum can build up quickly. No single individual (except, perhaps, Warren Buffett) can push up a company’s share price by buying its stock at an inflated price, but the price of residential property is set locally by the latest transactions. The value of any particular home, and the amount that can be borrowed against it, is largely determined by whatever a similar house nearby sells for. One absurd bid can push up prices for lots of people.

I outlined a proposal to overhaul the appraisal system in the US to require cashflow valuations of properties in addition to the comparable value method. As the author notes, comparable value simply makes irrational behavior the standard of the market. it does nothing to curb the excesses or keep valuation in line with lender payment schedules. Markets trading at cashflow values don't crash. What price levels would they crash down to?

As prices rise, property is arguably more likely than many other asset classes to encourage speculation. One reason is that property is so much part of everyday life. People do not gossip about the value of copper and tin, but they like to talk about how much the neighbour’s house went for. They watch endless TV shows about houses and fancy themselves as interior designers, able to raise the price of their home with a new sofa and artful lighting. Eventually the temptation to take a punt on property becomes overwhelming. “Speculation is a bit like sex,” says Robert Shiller of Yale University, a long-standing observer of speculative bubbles. “People who have lots of sex are not approved of but they are thought to live life with gusto. People eventually decided to try for themselves.”

That is one of Dr. Shiller's more interesting analogies.

Even the risk-averse may well respond to rising prices by entering the market. Everyone needs somewhere to live, and many want to own their own homes. The amount of space that people need increases predictably over time as they find partners and have children. James Banks, Richard Blundell and Zoë Oldfield of Britain’s Institute for Fiscal Studies and James Smith of RAND, an American think-tank, find that this gives people an incentive to buy early in order to protect themselves against the risk of future price increases that would make houses unaffordable.

These guys are talking about NAr fear mongering. The belief that you need to buy the most house you can afford today because it may be unaffordable in the future is exactly how we got into this mess. Overextended borrowers are the root of housing's woes.

Another reason for momentum in property markets is the fact that there are no short-sellers. If you think property is overpriced, it is difficult to profit from that view. As Adam Levitin of Georgetown University Law Centre and Susan Wachter of the University of Pennsylvania pointed out in a recent paper on the causes of the housing bubble in America, it is impossible to borrow the Empire State Building in order to sell New York real estate short. HSBC probably came closest by selling its Canary Wharf tower in London for £1.1 billion ($2.18 billion) in 2007 and buying it back from its debt-laden Spanish owners for £250m less in late 2008—the greatest short sale in the history of property, says one observer.

That one is pretty good, but I know a local real estate developer who bought a property for $10M in 1999, sold it for $100M in 2005, and was negotiating to repurchase the property — with its $135M in improvements — for $40M in 2010. I don't think he closed the deal, but it would be a remarkable short trade if it happens.

Some investors infamously did make money from betting against American subprime mortgages, but their real achievement was to find a way of doing so, by buying up credit-default swaps that paid out when mortgage-backed securities soured.

There have been attempts to create instruments that allow property to be hedged or shorted. Mr Shiller himself has been involved in launching derivatives linked to home-price indices for both large and small investors, but with limited success to date. Commercial-property derivatives, however, are gaining ground.

Such products are conceptually appealing but face several obstacles. Some are common to all financial innovations: new products lack enough liquidity to lure buyers in, for example. Others are more specific to property. Individual properties and neighbourhoods differ, which makes it hard to construct accurate hedges. Government interventions to shore up the housing market add an extra element of unpredictability. And since house-price cycles tend to last for a long time, says Mike Poulos of Oliver Wyman, a consultancy, it can be expensive to sustain a short position.

Short positions in real estate using futures contracts will likely never catch on. Who is going to buy a short futures contract to hedge any possible loss in their homes value? In reality, most people who buy believe house prices are going up, and if any such futures contract were widely traded, most people would take the long side and magnify their exposure to real estate rather than hedge it.

Up, up and away with the fairies

The effects of buying a home when prices are rising are insidious. A 2008 paper by Hugo Benitez-Silva, Selcuk Eren, Frank Heiland and Sergi Jiménez-Martín used the Health and Retirement Study, a biennial survey of Americans over the age of 50, to compare people’s estimates of the value of their homes with actual values when a sale took place. The authors found that homeowners overestimate the value of their homes by an average of 5-10%.

Even now, many in Irvine believe their house values never declined. People have a selection bias when it comes to comps for their own property. They will almost always conclude the asking price of a similar but nicer property represents the actual resale value of their own property. Comps that might inject a bit of reality are routinely ignored, and Pollyanna assessments of valuations and appreciation abound.

Those who had bought during good times tended to be more optimistic in their valuations, whereas those who had bought during a downturn were more realistic. Expectations of higher prices explain why bubble-era buyers were more willing to buy risky mortgage products and take on ever greater quantities of debt. The amount of mortgage debt in America almost doubled between 2001 and 2007, to $10.5 trillion.

The rich-world buyers of today ought to be more realistic about the future value of their homes, but attitudes are deeply entrenched. When asked to rate the safety of various investments, two-thirds of the respondents in the Fannie Mae survey classed homeownership as a safe investment, compared with just 15% for buying shares. Only savings accounts and money-market funds, both of which enjoyed an explicit government guarantee during the financial crisis, scored higher than homes. Homeowners who were “under water” on their mortgages (ie, they owed more than their properties were worth) were just as sure as everyone else that housing was a safe investment.

If the Burj Khalifa shows that memories of property cycles are short, the Fannie Mae survey suggests that some of the lessons are never taken on board at all. Given the state of residential property around the rich world, perhaps the victims are suffering from post-traumatic amnesia.

How do we explain that level of ignorance. How can people be underwater, facing the reality of what a poor investment housing can be, how can these people continue to remain in denial?

I suppose many refuse to admit their mistakes even when maintaining denial is barely tenable. Cashflow real estate can be a great investment. Betting on appreciation is a fool's game more likely to be a great disaster.

Typical California home owner

I was asked recently if I believed Irvine has more Ponzis than other places. Well, compared to poor rural areas, there are likely more Ponzis because more people are given opportunity to show their cosmopolitan sophistication by taking on copious amounts of debt. Plus, there are greater pressures to keep up with the Joneses in places like Irvine that is difficult for many to resist. But Irvine isn't out of control.

The Ponzis here are more flamboyant in their consumption because house prices went up so much, but I don't believe Irvine is Babylon. Although the huge HELOC abuse cases are more interesting, owners like today's are much more common. These owners increased their mortgage, likely in response to burgeoning credit card debt and funding their entitlements, but by and large, they kept their spending under control and didn't spend the house to the point they are in financial distress and facing foreclosure.

  • These owners paid $326,500 at the bottom of the last cycle on 6/3/1997. They used a $261,200 first mortgage, a $32,600 HELOC, and a $32,700 down payment.
  • On 9/23/2003 they refinanced with a $282,000 first mortgage and a $100,000 stand-alone second.
  • On 10/15/2004 they obtained a $200,000 HELOC, but it doesn't look as if it was used.
  • On 1/20/2005 they refinanced with a $330,500 first mortgage and a $120,000 HELOC. This HELOC and the ones that followed where not fully used.
  • On 6/14/2005 they opened a $155,000 HELOC.
  • On 2/23/2007 they opened a $185,000 HELOC.
  • On 5/20/2008 they obtained a new $417,000 first mortgage and a $35,000 HELOC.
  • On 8/27/2010 they refinanced with a $442,000 first mortgage.
  • This typical, somewhat-frugal Irvine couple still added $148,200 to their mortgage.

This behavior is so common that most don't even recognize is as a dangerous Ponzi scheme.

Look at it this way. In 1997 when this house was purchased, the aggregate DTI was very similar to Las Vegas. Houses were generally affordable, but not inexpensive by conventional cashflow measures. People in both places were paying a similar percentage of their incomes toward housing.

Fast forward to today, and prices in Las Vegas are hovering near their 1997 levels. Any amount of mortgage equity withdrawal — even the tame Irvine version above — would put a Las Vegas homeowner underwater. The housing bubble deflated there and is overshooting to the downside. Here in Irvine, the housing bubble has not deflated, and homeowners like today's stand to take a few hundred thousand with them on top of the $150K they already spent.

They should be very thankful banks are allowing their delinquent neighbors to squat in order to hold up housing values.

Irvine Home Address … 16 FOXHILL Irvine, CA 92604

Resale Home Price … $789,900

Home Purchase Price … $326,500

Home Purchase Date …. 6/3/1997

Net Gain (Loss) ………. $416,006

Percent Change ………. 127.4%

Annual Appreciation … 6.4%

Cost of Ownership

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$789,900 ………. Asking Price

$157,980 ………. 20% Down Conventional

4.82% …………… Mortgage Interest Rate

$631,920 ………. 30-Year Mortgage

$160,221 ………. Income Requirement

$3,323 ………. Monthly Mortgage Payment

$685 ………. Property Tax

$150 ………. Special Taxes and Levies (Mello Roos)

$132 ………. Homeowners Insurance

$139 ………. Homeowners Association Fees

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$4,428 ………. Monthly Cash Outlays

-$806 ………. Tax Savings (% of Interest and Property Tax)

-$785 ………. Equity Hidden in Payment

$291 ………. Lost Income to Down Payment (net of taxes)

$132 ………. Maintenance and Replacement Reserves

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$3,261 ………. Monthly Cost of Ownership

Cash Acquisition Demands

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$7,899 ………. Furnishing and Move In @1%

$7,899 ………. Closing Costs @1%

$6,319 ………… Interest Points @1% of Loan

$157,980 ………. Down Payment

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$180,097 ………. Total Cash Costs

$49,900 ………… Emergency Cash Reserves

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$229,997 ………. Total Savings Needed

Property Details for 16 FOXHILL Irvine, CA 92604

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Beds: 4

Baths: 3

Sq. Ft.: 2580

$306/SF

Lot Size: 5,400 Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Residential, Single Family

Style: Two Level, Traditional

View: Park/Green Belt

Year Built: 1975

Community: El Camino Real

County: Orange

MLS#: S651471

Source: SoCalMLS

Status: Active

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27 thoughts on “Viewing real estate as an investment creates volatility in housing markets

  1. Planet Reality

    Thank god for all of the squatters supporting prices in Irvine.

    If only the multitude of squatters in Las Vegas could be as powerful. It’s really a shame that the plethora of Las Vegas squatters can’t flex their might to bring up prices.

    I am now enlightened as to why Irvine is different.

      1. IrvineRenter

        Do the two of you have a checklist of tasks each day that includes making bullish comments on the IHB and echoing each other? You both do it every day.

        1. Planet Reality

          My comment wasn’t bullish, it was pointing out the absurdity of yours. My comments are never bullish, Irvine prices are here and now 6 years into the “crash”

          1. Sue in Irvine

            PR, sorry but I consider our 3/2 Woodbridge condo sale to be a crash. We sold in January for $408,000. In 2005 we could have sold for $535,000 or maybe higher.

          2. bigmoneysalsa

            Apparently price declines of 15% to 40% across the board (depending on neighborhood and property type) doesn’t qualify as a “crash” on the planet Reality.

          3. Planet Surreality

            You don’t understand, apparently. Yes, it’s true that the miniscule, near non-existent group of poseurs that barely snuck in the back door of the pristine Irvine Real Estate Market were eventually outed as wannabes who could barely hang onto a tacky 3/2 condo. Please. Unlike my genius Ph.D. engineer friends, you folks should consider areas more suitable to their kind, like Santa Ana or Riverside. I understand that the downturn in the economy was not kind to you, but if you play your cards right then the violin virtuoso children of our incoming FCB’s–the rightful ascendants to the golden throne of Irvine–will hire you in their thriving, recession-proof companies.

            Of course, I certainly understand if you’re not able to aspire that high (it’s a rarefied air to even work in Irvine), you still may be able to find jobs in the service industry at the IRVINE SPECTRUM, where every day is like Xmas and Arbor Day combined, and the swelling crowds of Irvinites flush with cash make one breathless with pride and wonder.

          4. bigmoneysalsa

            LOL. Have you ever heard someone do an impression of a celebrity, and the impression was so good that it seemed more genuine than actually hearing the celebrity himself? That’s what that was like.

          5. AZDavidPhx

            Nope, it’s not me. Wish I could take credit for it – it is hilarious. I actually thought that it was PR until about midway through it and looked up and saw it was Planet “S”, not Planet “R”. I admit, I at first just read “Planet” and assumed it was PR and didn’t figure it out til midway through.

        2. Perspective

          Blogs like IHB have become very powerful – powerful in the sense that they’re outside the mainstream media, growing in readership, and much more detailed, fair, and objective.

          Most Irvine-area renters and homeowners I know visit this site regularly. If I were a realtard, I would be on this blog every single day spouting about how great Irvine pricing is today.

          Thankfully, I am not a realtard…

        3. Swiller

          Too funny. IR, you mean like the majority of parrots on this board that just repeat and support whatever you say?

          I’ve seen that checklist for so long there was money to be made from it! Buy LV now!!!!

  2. so_scared

    “Markets trading at cashflow values don’t crash. What price levels would they crash down to?”

    What exactly is cashflow value? How does one determine cash flow value?

    You are basically stating that present value of the future cash flows of a property is what it is worth, correct?

    Well if that is the case, the the discount rate you use and the presumed future cash flows will dramatically affect your cash flow values. They can and have sung dramatically..causing crashes as well as price increases.

    Prices would crash to what present value of cash flows derived from using the appropriate discount rate and cash flow assumptions.

    1. IrvineRenter

      Discounted cashflow is not a reliable method of valuing residential properties because the financial projections are extremely sensitive to the discount rate and assumptions of growth in rents and prices in the future.

      I prefer to look at a stabilized year-one cashflow statement and look at the rate of return. A healthy rate of return should be about 30% higher than the cost of debt. Therefore, in a 5% interest rate environment, properties that cashflow in the first year at 6.5% or better are at cashflow levels. Most of the beaten down bubble markets are trading at these levels now.

  3. irvine_home_owner

    It does look to me like the Irvine market is softening… at least for the new homes.

    TIC is being more aggressive with their priority lists than last year because I don’t think they have the numbers (and pent-up demand) like last year.

    Resale still seems a bit tough for some areas/products. Like Shevy commented before, the “good stuff” is few and far between so it gets multiple bids and moved quickly. And before someone points to the upper right corner to say the inventory is rising… compared to the total number of homes in Irvine (with 1200 more added just last year), that is a small percentage… and actually a small number based on the demand.

    1. tenmagnet

      We’ll see how strong demand is with the launch of San Marino this coming weekend.
      TIC priced San Marino higher than their Carmel counterpart with less square footage.
      After the multitude of buyers tours the models, they’ll be escorted to the design center where they can select from the vast array of upgrades.

      1. irvine_home_owner

        Demand is not as strong as the 2010 New Home Collection.

        Last year, the 1st phase would have been sold out before the opening weekend.

        I went to the Sales Gallery pre-opening and there were few people and many of the lots for Phase 1 were available.

        Although, this may also have more to do with the price point — $1mil+ for Phase 1 where most of the 2010 SFR early phases were sub $1mil.

        1. tenmagnet

          The fact that TIC priced SM higher $360/ft. sans any upgrades or landscaping means their pushing the envelope with buyers to see how much they can take.
          Like gas going to $6
          Let’s see what happens

    2. bigmoneysalsa

      TIC can sell as many homes as they want, whenever they want, because they own the land outright and can afford to set their prices at whatever the market will bear. Whether a particular offering from TIC flies off the shelves or sits there with no takers says a lot more about how good a job TIC is doing at judging the market than it does about the market itself.
      I for one congratulate TIC for pulling their heads out of their asses and realizing that it’s not in their own interests to sit on the land and wait for 2006 prices to come back.

      1. irvine_home_owner

        I wouldn’t say TIC does that good a job at judging the market.

        Last year, they thought 700 homes would take 2 or more years to sell, they were wrong… they sold 1200 homes in about 13 months.

        This year, they think they can do better than last year and I think they may be wrong again. I can’t see them selling more than 1100 homes in 2011, especially since we are already 3 months into the year.

        But you never know with those FCBs.

        1. IrvineRenter

          Your comment shows what an excellent job they do of managing expectations. Even 1200 homes last year is less than 100 a month which is poor by historic standards. TIC has made everyone think this sounds great.

          1. irvine_home_owner

            Poor by historic standards?

            Please enlighten me… are we talking bubble history, a single city or what?

            I’ve been in Irvine much longer than you and I don’t recall new home tracts selling at that pace during non-bubble periods of time.

            I may be wrong, but during the last trough in the mid-90s, what year saw a 100 new home per month sales pace in Westpark II?

  4. HydroCabron

    Some people think that renting will enjoy a renaissance as a result of the crisis

    No renaissance is in the offing, if current attitudes are any indication. Block parties and family gatherings are still an occasion for shock that my wife and I choose to rent, even with an income 3x local median – but they probably think we’re struggling because we drive old, paid-for cars and have no mortgage.

    I can’t say “I’m renting because I feel no obligation to bail any boomer out of his failed investment,” as, well, I’m always among boomer homeowners when these conversations occur. So I act dumb and claim I haven’t gotten around to buying yet. I say nothing about the rising foreclosure rates and low sales volume in my neighborhood.

    An uncle recently said “You’ll still be renting at 50 if you don’t get busy.” Aww: Wudda shame!

    I’m getting better at playing dumb. My family members roll their eyes at my silly refusal to jump back in to the housing market: “He’s a little, uh, different – he will always be with us.”

    BTW, if you can encourage someone’s initial impression that you are a doofus, and play to their high opinion of themselves – casino pit bosses come to mind here – you have opportunities.

    1. headHigh

      Yes, I agree. At first I used to think people in Irvine were just stupid for paying high prices. I mean Texas had their housing bubble in the 80s, and they seemed to learn. Why did Californians not learn from their own late 80s bubble? But then I realized that Irvinites are just more charitable. Everyone here really wants to do their part to support the FIRE complex by paying as many and as high fees as possible. And they just can’t stand by and watch the underwater homeowners suffer; they are eager to make a donation by paying top dollar for housing. Having come to this realization, I now feel proud to live amongst such benevolent folk here in Irvine!

  5. Anon

    What do you think will happen when all the Japanese fleeing Japan come to California (probably Irvine) to start over? Safe to assume they have cash to buy when they get here?

    1. SanJoseRenter

      Anybody can buy a house in the USA, but to live in it most FCBs will need a visa of some kind.

      Trivia: The buyer of a US house from a foreign national is responsible for withholding the tax on the profits of the proceeds, or becomes liable. Wow.

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