I don’t know what I’m going to die of first.  The toxic water from the El Toro plume (I use tap water to make my coffee and tea) or the carcinogens in the plastic bottled water I drink (I don’t really like the taste of tap water in Irvine).

Not much to report this week.

The 3.89 for two gallons special at Stater Bros on the Valuetime product (all grades) is still on.

All quiet on the western front.  No new doorbuster specials to report. 

Stater Bros. is still running the 2-gallons-for-$3.89 deal on the Valutime product.

no_vaseline - 31 March 2009 02:53 PM

All quiet on the western front.  No new doorbuster specials to report. 

Stater Bros. is still running the 2-gallons-for-$3.89 deal on the Valutime product.

Is Valutime milk from cows treated with rBST?  Pavillions (Safeway) and Ralphs milk is also $3.89 for 2 gallons and the bottles say the milk is not from cows treated with rBST.

I’m kind of surprised so many people drink cow’s milk. I switched to soy milk about 2 years ago (about when I moved to CA…hmmmmm) because regular milk upset my stomach so much. My better half switched at the same time for convenience and hasn’t seemed to mind. I don’t think its a lactose thing though because lactose free milk did the same thing to me.

The rBST deal never bothered me.  These days it’s probally easy to get everything rBST free because the price to the dairyman is so low, if a cow isn’t a top producer, off the auction for it’s future career as a McDonalds hamburger it goes.

NewToOC - 31 March 2009 04:56 PM

I’m kind of surprised so many people drink cow’s milk. I switched to soy milk about 2 years ago (about when I moved to CA…hmmmmm) because regular milk upset my stomach so much. My better half switched at the same time for convenience and hasn’t seemed to mind. I don’t think its a lactose thing though because lactose free milk did the same thing to me.

If milk bothers you but it’s not the lactose then it could be you have a casein allergy which is a sensitivity to the milk’s protein.

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I’ve personally kind of had it with the whole milk/soy/goat etc… stuff. A neighbor only gave her kids organic milk until she read up and decided to go with only soy for the whole family. Then the next bit of info she received caused her to swear off soy altogether. I have a another friend who is only drinking almond milk. Personally, I don’t even like milk. My four year old still drinks about 10 oz. at night before bed and my 3 year old just can’t stand it, she refuses to drink it, soy, organic, goat, almond or whatever else you give her that looks like milk. I say if someone likes it, let them drink it, otherwise, I don’t really think it’s very necessary (sorry, no_vas).

True as a down side soy milk is more expensive. I don’t do Costco but I usually pay $2.50-$3 a carton for soy milk (target, walgreens, trader joes all are cheaper than Ralphs or Albertsons usually) which lasts about a week so I don’t shop around beyond that. After not drinking milk for so long the concept of milk grosses me out a bit. Not enough not to put cream in my coffee (on occasion or when soy isn’t an option) or eat ice cream or cheese mind you…

I agree you can have a perfectly healthy diet w/o milk of any kind. We just didn’t want to go without something to put in our coffee and cereal.

Yeah, you have to be careful what you drink. For example: too much soy is believed to be bad for your thyroid and that’s particularly important if you already have thyroid disease or any other auto-immune disorders. I have this condition and my endo says not to drink more than about 8 oz. a day, if that. Also have to be careful with tofu. There are many undiagnosed people in this country.

Astute Observer - 31 March 2009 09:31 PM

Isn’t the Buddhist monks diet is pretty much all soy?  I wonder if they drink soy milk or cow milk.  Is there a study on the effect of soy/tofu on these monks?  I bet there are millions of them all around the world.

Yes, the info that is out says soy’s estrogen effect dampens their libido, making a celibate life easier to obtain.

I think it’s interesting that in the Asian cultures, they use soy in small amounts as you would use a condiment. Not as a replacement for proteins or in large amounts. Also it is usually fermented first prior to consuming. As Americans, we take a soy product and think “if a little is good, a lot is better.” We consume soy milk that is loaded with sugar and think it is a health food. This soy has not been fermented.

Funny you should say that SoCal. I have lupus (mild symptoms no organ involvement) but I’ve never talked to my rheumatologist about my switch to soy. I’ll bring it up next time. I don’t drink more than 8 oz a day and have tofu maybe twice a week.

I only made the milk switch because it became really obvious that milk would mess up my digestive system every time I drank more than an ounce or two of it. I was pretty skeptical about it at first since like tmare I was a bit fatigued hearing about “lactose intolerance” and “food allergies” that seemed to be ever more common. Cow’s milk just suddenly stopped working for me in my 30s. The same thing happened to one of my cousins. I don’t know if its an allergy thing or a lupus thing. But when you consistently get sick from something I say stop eating it!

NewToOC - 31 March 2009 09:53 PM

Funny you should say that SoCal. I have lupus (mild symptoms no organ involvement) but I’ve never talked to my rheumatologist about my switch to soy. I’ll bring it up next time. I don’t drink more than 8 oz a day and have tofu maybe twice a week.

I only made the milk switch because it became really obvious that milk would mess up my digestive system every time I drank more than an ounce or two of it. I was pretty skeptical about it at first since like tmare I was a bit fatigued hearing about “lactose intolerance” and “food allergies” that seemed to be ever more common. Cow’s milk just suddenly stopped working for me in my 30s. The same thing happened to one of my cousins. I don’t know if its an allergy thing or a lupus thing. But when you consistently get sick from something I say stop eating it!

Very sorry about your lupus. I thought I had read once that wheat, dairy, and soy can have negative effects with this condition, no? You also have an auto-immune condition like me.

I have stopped consuming soy completely, aside from a tiny bit of edamame once in a while,  as I do not want any inhibitors in my body. I think the Soy Agriculture has done a great job of marketing these products in the early 2000’s, making it seem like it has so many benefits and risks are not mentioned.  I prefer fat free milk and I like rice milk as an alternative. Rice milk is starchy, yes - but I don’t know of any red flags with this product (except it should not be the staple of a young child’s diet as a replacement for milk.) I researched it and it did not seem to trigger any auto-immune problems, and seems to have no effect on red blood cells unlike soy. Just my 2 cents. I am not a doctor.

Sorry to derail your milk thread NoVas. I really did enjoy my milk growing up!

Yes, sorry, No_Vas.

I don’t know what is wrong with you people who pay for milk? I mean, three boxes of Frosted Flakes and mine was free!

No apologies necessary for taking my exercise in obsessive/complusive behaivor into something productive!

Too much dairy isn’t healthy for adults, but I never suspected too much soy being a problem for the imuno-compromised.  By all means please continue.

Well, this thread is turning out to be fun after all. Thanks no_vas. I’m wondering if anyone else is hearing much about this “almond milk” that is such the rage with the all organic crowd including the homeopathic docs. For now, my son just sticks to regular milk and the rest of us eat enough cheese and sour cream I believe.

Well, from what I’ve been hearing, it’s raw milk that’s really been at the forefront these days. Haven’t tried it myself, so I can’t say one way or the other, but it seems like there are a lot of organic folks who swear by it.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91843992

Yeah, no, thanks, pass. 

IMO people who eat organic are nuts.  People who consume raw milk are in Janet (the former IHB user name Janet, not anyone else named Janet) territory.

no_vaseline - 01 April 2009 06:27 AM

Yeah, no, thanks, pass. 

IMO people who eat organic are nuts.  People who consume raw milk are in Janet (the former IHB user name Janet, not anyone else named Janet) territory.

My personal opinion is that “organic” foods are a rip off, but that’s just me.  The only organic food, in my eyes, is if I grow the damn stuff myself or raise & kill the animal myself.

Ok, since no_vas has blessed us going off-topic here… has anyone seen any place that sells Silk Chai flavored milk? I know that its full of sugar and more of a dessert but it sounds really good and I want to try it anyway. I haven’t seen it anywhere.

I’ve been meaning to try almond milk because it sounds delicious.

Horchata is my favorite milk.

High Gravity - 01 April 2009 08:10 PM

Horchata is my favorite milk.

Horchata is not really milk, its more of a mixed beverage.