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Posted: 03 August 2009 10:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 326 ]
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I know, I know…most think me crazy when I post a new postion but I am officially going long the dollar again. UUP $23.11.

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Posted: 03 August 2009 11:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 327 ]
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Interesting article on “Shadow” inventory.

“Shadow” inventory lurks over U.S. housing recovery (Reuters)

Note: “Shadow” here refers to the pent up supply and not bank owned shadow inventory.

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Posted: 04 August 2009 02:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 328 ]
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morekaos - 03 August 2009 05:25 PM

I know, I know…most think me crazy when I post a new postion but I am officially going long the dollar again. UUP $23.11.

If you are right, which by your record you usually are, then just how screwed will China be with a strong dollar?

Many would argue that China isn’t experiencing a bubble. The high asset prices just reflect China’s high growth potential. One can never make an ironclad case to pin down an asset boom as a bubble. An element of judgment based on experience is inevitable when one calls a market boom a bubble. I have had a reasonably good record at calling bubbles in the past. I wrote my doctoral thesis arguing that Japan was a bubble in late 1980s, a long report at the World Bank in earl 1990s arguing that Southeast Asia was a bubble, research notes at Morgan Stanley in 1999 calling dotcom boom a bubble, and numerous research notes from 2003 onwards arguing that the US property market was a bubble. On the other hand I have never called something a bubble that turned out not to be a bubble.

I want to make myself perfectly clear on China’s asset markets today. They are a big bubble. Its bursting will bring very bad consequences for the country. However, as so many are enjoying what’s going on, I don’t think the government would act preemptively to eliminate the bubble. Indeed, many, if not the majority, in the policy circle argue that the bubble is good for reviving the economy. This sort of thinking seems to work because the dollar is weak, as the bubble can be revived with more liquidity when it cools off. When the dollar revives, China’s asset markets and, probably, the economy would have a hard landing. I hope that the people who advocate the benefits of the bubble would stand up then to accept the responsibilities for the damages.

The most basic approach in studying bubbles is to look at valuation. For property the most important measures are price to income ratio and rental yield. China’s average price per square meter nationwide is quite close to the average in the US. The US’s per capita income is seven times China’s urban per capita income. The nationwide average price is about three months of salary per square meter, probably the highest in the world. As far as I can tell, a lot of properties can’t be rented out at all. Those that can bring in 3% yield, barely compensating for depreciation. The average rental yield, if one including those that can’t be rented out, is probably negligible. China’s property price doesn’t make sense from affordability or yield perspective. Some argue that China’s property is always like this: appreciation is the return. This is not true. The property market dropped dramatically from 1995-2001 during a strong dollar period.

A special angle in China’s property bubble is its role in local government finance. As land sales and taxes from property sales account for a big portion of local government revenues, they have powerful incentives to pump up the property market. Land sales are often carefully managed to spike up expectation. For example, those who bid extraordinarily high prices for land are laurelled as land kings. Lately, the land kings are often state-owned enterprises. When state-owned enterprises borrow from state owned band and give the money to local governments at land auctions, why should the prices be meaningful? The money circulates within the big government pocket. Tomorrow’s non-performing loans, if land prices collapse, are just today’s fiscal revenues. If private developers follow the SoEs to chase the skyrocketing land market, they could be committing suicide.

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Posted: 04 August 2009 03:14 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 329 ]
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The stock market is in a final frenzy again. The most ignorant retail investors are being sucked in by the rising momentum. They again dream of getting rich overnight. As in the past, retail investors usually lose, especially like the ones jumping in now. The final frenzy usually doesn’t last. The turning points in China are often related to political calendar. Retail investors hold the popular belief that the government won’t let the market drop before October 1, the 60th anniversary of the PRC. Last time it was the 17th Party Congress in October 2007. This sort of belief is self-fulfilling in the short term. The market tends to roll over around the time. If the past is of meaningful guidance, this wave will taper off before October.

The idea that the government wouldn’t let the market drop is rooted in Chinese market psychology. In financial jargon, it is called a put option. During the Greenspan era, financial markets believed that he would always bail out markets in a crisis, which was the so-called Greenspan put. The belief in China should be called the Panda put. However, in reality, the government couldn’t reverse the market trend when it turns. Chinese stock market has big ups and downs in the past, which shows the government’s inability to stop the market from falling. Nevertheless, this imaginary put option remains deeply rooted in popular psychology.

Many policy thinkers believe that bubbles are not that harmful. One popular theory is that in a bubble money is passed from one person to another and, as long as it remains in China, no permanent harms can be done. Hence, if people are happy now and unhappy tomorrow, they just cancel each other. They should look at Japan and Hong Kong to see how much damage a bubble can do even without leaking money out of a country.

In a bubble resources are diverted to bubble making activities. The resources will be permanently wasted. For example, businessmen in China are reluctant to focus on real economic activities and are devoting time and energy to market speculation. It means that China wouldn’t have many globally competitive companies in the future. Even though China has had three decades of high growth, few companies are globally competitive. The serial bubble making in the Chinese economy may be the reason.

A generation of young people is not interested in real jobs and is addicted to stock market speculation. They see their holdings changing in value in a day more than their monthly salary and have the illusion that they would make a lot of money in the market. Of course, most of them will lose everything and may take extreme actions afterwards. The social consequences could be quite serious.

A property bubble usually leads to overbuilding. The empty buildings represent permanent losses. Most people would laugh at such a possibility in China. After all, 1.3 billion would need unlimited properties. The reality is quite different. China’s urban living space is 28 square meters per person, quite high by international standard. China’s urbanization is about 50%. It could rise to 70-75%. Afterwards the rural population would decline on its own due to its high average age. So China’s urban population may rise by another 300 million people. If we assume they all can afford property (a laughable notion at today’s price), Chinese cities may need an additional 8.4 billion square meters. China’s work-in-progress is over 2 billion square meters. There is enough land out there for another 2. The construction industry has production capacity of about 1.5 billion square meters per annum. Absolute oversupply, i.e., there aren’t enough people for all the buildings, could happen quite soon. When it happens, the consequences are quite severe. Property prices could drop like Japan has experienced in the past two decades, which would destroy the banking system.

The most serious damage that a property bubble inflicts is in changing demographics. High property prices bring down birth rates. When property prices decline after a bubble bursts, the low birth rate culture cannot be changed. Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, and Taiwan all went through property bubbles during their development. Their birth rates dropped during the bubbles and didn’t recover afterwards despite government providing incentives. China’s one-child policy alone will lead to a demographic catastrophe in two decades. The property bubble makes the trend irreversible: when the government abandons the one-child policy, there wouldn’t be meaningful impact on birth rate. Within two decades Chinese population could be very old and declining. Of course, property prices would be very low and declining also.

In addition to net losses the redistribution aspect of a bubble has serious social consequences too. In the stock market bubble most households lose and a few win big. China’s wealth inequality is already very high. The bubbles make it worse. A sizable or even the majority of China’s population may not have meaningful wealth even after China’s urbanization is complete. It will lead to an unstable society. A market economy is stable and efficient when the majority has meaningful wealth and, hence, has a stake in the system.

In summary, the market frenzy now won’t last long. The correction may happen in the fourth quarter. There could be another wave of frenzy next year as China can still release more liquidity. When the dollar recovers, possibly in 2012, China’s property and stock market could experience collapses like during the Asian Financial Crisis.

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Posted: 04 August 2009 07:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 330 ]
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Just a trade. Not a long term call.

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Posted: 04 August 2009 08:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 331 ]
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graphrix - 04 August 2009 10:14 AM

In summary, the market frenzy now won’t last long. The correction may happen in the fourth quarter. There could be another wave of frenzy next year as China can still release more liquidity. When the dollar recovers, possibly in 2012, China’s property and stock market could experience collapses like during the Asian Financial Crisis.

That would be superbad news for my almonds, which come into production next year.  A double whammy - strong dollar and a colapse in China.

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Posted: 05 August 2009 06:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 332 ]
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morekaos - 03 August 2009 05:25 PM

I know, I know…most think me crazy when I post a new postion but I am officially going long the dollar again. UUP $23.11.

i dont. deflation is actually what is going to come. that is what is going to bring real estate and gold to its knees in the coming years.

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Posted: 09 August 2009 12:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 333 ]
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Tudor Investment Calls Stock Gain a Bear-Market Rally

Aug. 6 (Bloomberg)—Tudor Investment Corp., the $10.8 billion hedge-fund firm run by Paul Tudor Jones, said equity markets could decline later this year, creating buying opportunities.

Slowing growth in China and the return of front-page stories on swine flu may be “further catalysts for global equity markets to pause in September,” the Greenwich, Connecticut-based firm said in an Aug. 3 client letter, a copy of which was obtained by Bloomberg News.

Tudor said the 47 percent gain in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index of the largest U.S. companies since March 9, when it fell to a 12-year low, is a “bear-market rally.” The index topped 1,000 for the first time in nine months this week after companies reported better-than-expected profits.

“Impressive counter-trend rallies are a feature, not an oddity, of secular bear markets,” Tudor said. “We are not inclined to aggressively chase the market here. Many doubts remain about the sustainability of this recovery, most prominently the weakness of household income growth.”

Tudor’s biggest hedge fund, the $8.9 billion Tudor BVI, gained 10 percent this year through July after losing 4.5 percent in 2008. Hedge funds on average lost a record 19 percent last year, according to Chicago-based Hedge Fund Research Inc.

The firm said that a year-end gain in stocks may be another bear market rally with equities falling in 2010.

Steve Bruce, a spokesman for Tudor, declined to comment on the letter.

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Tudor said it expects the U.S. dollar to fall by the end of the year as money managers diversify their currency reserves. The dollar advanced 0.4 percent to $1.4341 per euro after touching $1.4447 yesterday, the weakest level since Dec. 18.

“Reserve accumulation and diversification trends will be persistent and mutually reinforcing the direction of the U.S. dollar,” Tudor said.

Tudor was “intrigued” by Japan, saying that a loss in lower-house elections by the ruling Liberal Democratic Party could lead to increased investments in the country by the end of the year, according to the letter.

The firm received $1.3 billion in new investments from March to July and reinvestments of $287 million from its $2.26 billion Legacy fund, created last year to hold hard-to-sell holdings.

Tudor last month opened the first managed account linked to its Tudor Tensor futures strategy, overseen by Steve Evans. The firm won’t offer managed accounts, in which clients hold their money separately and are allowed to make withdrawals at will, linked to its flagship fund, according to the letter.

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Posted: 09 August 2009 01:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 334 ]
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Is the Chinese government really going to let their stock market bubble burst before October?  It’s looking like it’s starting to head down.  If China pops, look out below.

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Posted: 10 August 2009 08:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 335 ]
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Oxtail - 09 August 2009 08:44 PM

Is the Chinese government really going to let their stock market bubble burst before October?  It’s looking like it’s starting to head down.  If China pops, look out below.

You make it sound like the Chinese government actually had that much control over their stock market, they would love to have you believe so. Wonder what was the government doing when the shanghai index went from 6000-1800.

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Posted: 10 August 2009 09:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 336 ]
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Oxtail - 09 August 2009 08:44 PM

Is the Chinese government really going to let their stock market bubble burst before October?  It’s looking like it’s starting to head down.  If China pops, look out below.

You make it sound like the Chinese government actually had that much control over their stock market, they would love to have you believe so. Wonder what was the government doing when the shanghai index went from 6000-1800.

Trying to catch their breath?

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Posted: 12 August 2009 12:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 338 ]
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China’s stock market down 10% in the last week.  You think the people running our own stock market bubble are getting nervous yet?

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Posted: 12 August 2009 07:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 339 ]
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Oxtail - 12 August 2009 07:57 AM

China’s stock market down 10% in the last week.  You think the people running our own stock market bubble are getting nervous yet?

Nope

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Oxtail - 12 August 2009 07:57 AM

China’s stock market down 10% in the last week.  You think the people running our own stock market bubble are getting nervous yet?

Nope

Check out the volume on NYSE, It has been steadily going down since March, there are tons of nervous bulls out there. We are due for a 10-15% correction starting probably later this week.

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Posted: 17 August 2009 08:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 341 ]
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morekaos - 03 August 2009 05:25 PM

I know, I know…most think me crazy when I post a new postion but I am officially going long the dollar again. UUP $23.11.

Good call.  23.61 today.

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Posted: 18 August 2009 09:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 342 ]
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Is the worst really over for home prices?

So, is our long national nightmare over? Has the housing market finally hit bottom?

There has been some muted—albeit exhausted—cheering from homeowners in recent weeks. But before we break out the champagne, look out for further potential problems just down the road.

The good news? According to the closely watched Case-Shiller Home Price Index, which tracks home prices across 20 major cities nationwide, the three-year housing slump slowed sharply in April and May.

May’s decline was just 0.2%, the slowest in two years. And several cities actually saw prices rise—among them Denver, Washington, D.C., Chicago, Boston, Cleveland and Dallas.

Even Miami only fell about 1% in May. That’s a great month down there. Previously, prices had been falling 3% a month.

We’ll get an even better picture of the situation when the Case-Shiller figures for June are released on Aug. 25.

But these data aren’t the only hopeful signs.

Inventories of unsold homes have come down. According to the National Association of Realtors, there were about 3.8 million unsold homes on the market at the end of June. That’s down a long way from 4.5 million a year ago.

And yes, housing affordability is dramatically better. People, obviously, need to live somewhere. At some point, housing gets cheap enough that the fundamentals start to look good.

The average home is about a third cheaper than it was at the peak three years ago, a plunge unprecedented since the Great Depression. In the hardest-hit places, such as Phoenix, Las Vegas and Miami, average prices have been halved or better from their bubble peaks.

Factor in falling mortgage rates as well, and housing starts to look cheap by many measures. Thirty-year mortgage rates, at around 5.5%, are still low by historic standards. A few months ago, when they fell below 5%, they were very cheap.

There’s some other good news for homeowners from the rest of the economy. July’s job losses were better than feared: The unemployment rate, which was heading vertical a few months ago, eased to 9.4% last month from 9.5%.

Some are saying the worst is behind us, for the economy and the housing market. No wonder the iShares Dow Jones U.S. Home Construction exchange-traded fund (ITB), which tracks shares of home-building stocks, has bounced sharply since early July.

So, is that it?

Not so fast.

Prices may—may—be nearing the bottom in many markets. But beyond the headlines, there are plenty of reasons to stay cautious. There may even be fresh dangers just ahead.

And even if prices have stopped falling, it may be years before they start rising sharply again.

First, late spring is traditionally the strongest season in the real-estate market.

And it’s hardly a surprise the market saw some green shoots this time around. It’s enjoying not one, but two, gigantic taxpayer subsidies—an $8,000 refundable tax credit, or gift, for first-time buyers, as well as those cheap mortgage rates. The Federal Reserve has been spending billions of dollars to keep interest rates down.

Both are only short-term fixes. Any sustained economic upturn would be expected to send long-term mortgage rates rising again, dousing the real-estate market with fresh cold water.

The picture on inventories isn’t as good as it sounds, either. A lot of unsold homes have simply been put up for rent instead, especially in the most difficult markets like Miami. The result? A glut of empty rentals as well.

New waves of foreclosures and distressed sales may be coming, too. In states such as California, it can take many months for delinquencies to turn to foreclosures, which means last winter’s bad news may still be coming down the pike. Meanwhile, vast tranches of teaser-rate mortgages are due to reset later this year and in 2010.

As for the economy: Both unemployment and household debt levels remain at extremely high levels by the standards of postwar history. Either is bad news for housing. The combination is very bad.

Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, argued in a recent paper that the fundamentals still aren’t great. It still remains cheaper to rent than to own in many markets, he says.

The biggest bubbles usually produce the deepest busts. And the 2002-2006 bubble was a doozy. The bad news may have ended after three terrible years, but maybe not. Japanese housing prices still haven’t recovered from the late 1980s bubble. Western U.S. markets took six or seven years to recover after the last big bubble burst there in the early 1990s.

Yes, there are some hopeful signs, but don’t let them fool you into thinking it’s all clear. It might not be. As ever, anyone making a major financial decision needs to think more about his or her own situation than what “the market” is doing. A real-estate purchase needs to make sense on its own terms. And measure it on cash flow today, not the hope for capital gains tomorrow. When you factor in all the costs, is the purchase cheaper than renting?

If you get a cheap mortgage and you are aggressive on price, you may get a bargain. That’s especially true if the owner has to sell. Foreclosures and other distressed sales are selling for about 20% below the rest of the market. There are opportunities out there. But you can afford to take your time to shop around.

This article was reported by Brett Arends for The Wall Street Journal.

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Posted: 18 August 2009 11:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 343 ]
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I’ve gotta say, the Asian markets really have much more interesting charts than we do.  Look at the cliff diving on the Hang Seng today.

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Posted: 19 August 2009 01:39 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 344 ]
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Oxtail - 19 August 2009 06:57 AM

I’ve gotta say, the Asian markets really have much more interesting charts than we do.  Look at the cliff diving on the Hang Seng today.

Did you mean the Shanghai? It got clobbered compared to the Hang Seng on percentage terms.

US futures are looking pretty red at the moment with the Euro markets bleeding red right now.

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Posted: 19 August 2009 07:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 345 ]
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The Hang Seng chart was prettier, though.  smile

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Posted: 21 August 2009 11:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 346 ]
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Bernanke: Economy is on cusp of recovery

Economic activity in U.S. and around the world appears to be ‘leveling out’

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke declared Friday that the U.S. economy is on the verge of a long-awaited recovery after enduring a brutal recession and the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.

Economic activity in both the U.S. and around the world appears to be “leveling out,” and “the prospects for a return to growth in the near term appear good,” Bernanke said in a speech at an annual Fed conference in Jackson Hole, Wyo.

The upbeat assessment was consistent with the Fed’s observations earlier this month. The central bank has taken small steps toward pulling back some emergency programs to revive the economy.

Still, Bernanke stressed Friday that despite much progress in stabilizing financial markets and trying to bust through credit clogs, consumers and businesses are still having trouble getting loans. The situation is not back to normal, he said.

Restoring the free flow of credit is a critical component to a lasting recovery.

“Although we have avoided the worst, difficult challenges still lie ahead,” Bernanke told the gathering. “We must work together to build on the gains already made to secure a sustained economic recovery.”

Strains in financial markets worldwide persist. Financial institutions face “significant additional losses” on soured investments and many businesses and households are experiencing “considerable difficulty” in getting loans, he said.

Elsewhere at the conference, European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet responded to a research paper on the origins and the nature of the financial crisis by saying he was a “little bit uneasy” about talk of a return to normalcy.

“We know that we have an enormous amount of work to do and we should be as active as possible,” Trichet said.

The remarks by Bernanke, Trichet and others come two years after the financial crisis broke out and nearly one year after it had deepened to the point of sending the nation into a near meltdown.

The bulk of Bernanke’s speech was a chronicle of the extraordinary events of the past year. Financial markets took a turn for the worst starting last September and into October, nearly shutting down the flow of credit. The crisis felled storied Wall Street firms and forced the government to take over mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, as well as insurance titan American International Group Inc.

Despite efforts to save it, Lehman Brothers failed. It filed for bankruptcy on Sept. 15, the largest in corporate history, which roiled markets worldwide.

To prop up shaky banks, the government created a $700 billion bailout fund, a program that proved wildly unpopular with an American public suffering fallout from the recession.

The Fed swooped in with unprecedented emergency lending programs to fight the crisis. It eventually slashed a key bank lending rate to a record low near zero. And Congress enacted programs to stimulate the economy, the most recent coming in February with President Barack Obama’s $787 billion package of tax cuts and increased government spending.

“Without these speedy and forceful actions, last October’s panic would likely have continued to intensify, more major firms would have failed and the entire global financial system would have been at serious risk,” Bernanke said.

In recounting actions by the Fed and the government to battle the crisis, Bernanke didn’t acknowledge any missteps by the central bank and other regulators. Critics have argued that the Wall Street bailouts in particular sent a message that companies that take reckless gambles will be rescued by the government. There’s also the concern that the rescues put taxpayer’s dollars at risk.

The public and lawmakers on Capitol Hill were incensed by the repeated taxpayer bailouts of AIG, totaling more than $180 billion, and outraged after the company paid hefty bonuses to employees who worked in the very division that brought down the firm. The $700 billion taxpayer-funded bailout program used to prop up banks, AIG, General Motors, Chrysler and other companies also drew criticism from the public and politicians.

But unlike in the 1930s, Washington policymakers this time acted aggressively and quickly to contain the crisis, said Bernanke, a scholar of the Great Depression.

“As severe as the economic impact has been, however, the outcome could have been decidedly worse,” he said.
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Global cooperation in battling the crisis was crucial, with central banks slashing interest rates and the U.S. and other governments delivering fiscal stimulus, he noted.

“The crisis in turn sparked a deep global recession, from which we are only now beginning to emerge,” the Fed chief observed.

Sponsored by the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, the conference draws a virtual who’s who of the financial world — Bernanke’s counterparts in other countries, academics and economists. This year’s forum focused on lessons learned from the crisis and how they can be applied to prevent a repeat of the debacles.

To that end, Bernanke again called a rewrite of the U.S. financial rule book — something Congress is currently involved in. He again pressed for stricter oversight of companies — like AIG — whose failure would endanger the entire financial system and the broader economy. Obama would tap the Fed for that job, something many lawmakers in Congress don’t like.

Bernanke also said the U.S. needs a process to wind down big, globally interconnected companies, much like the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. does for failing banks.

“Looking forward, we must urgently address structural weaknesses in the financial system, in particular in the regulatory framework, to ensure that the enormous costs of the past two years will not be borne again,” he said.

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Posted: 21 August 2009 12:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 347 ]
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Mostly I thought the whole economic recovery thing was wrong, but I had some doubts and maybe there could at least be a liquidity driven recovery.

But, now that Bernanke is calling it, I am sure there will be no recovery.
Sorry, but Bernanke is wrong, always.  And I mean always.

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awgee - 21 August 2009 07:23 PM

Mostly I thought the whole economic recovery thing was wrong, but I had some doubts and maybe there could at least be a liquidity driven recovery.

But, now that Bernanke is calling it, I am sure there will be no recovery.
Sorry, but Bernanke is wrong, always.  And I mean always.

Well, there is a liquidity driven equity market rally going on, but no liquidity driven recovery, as average citizens are not getting any of those “liqudity” in our pockets, we are PAYING FOR IT!!! Big B is struggling, give him a break, lol

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awgee - 21 August 2009 07:23 PM

Mostly I thought the whole economic recovery thing was wrong, but I had some doubts and maybe there could at least be a liquidity driven recovery.

But, now that Bernanke is calling it, I am sure there will be no recovery.
Sorry, but Bernanke is wrong, always.  And I mean always.

Well, there is a liquidity driven equity market rally going on, but no liquidity driven recovery, as average citizens are not getting any of those “liqudity” in our pockets, we are PAYING FOR IT!!! Big B is struggling, give him a break, lol

It is always funny that people forget that there is a value to liquidity.  If I want to sell my IBM, I can do it quickly and efficiently at whatever the market offers. If I want to unload my 4 spec houses in Riverside…well…not so much

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awgee - 21 August 2009 07:23 PM

Mostly I thought the whole economic recovery thing was wrong, but I had some doubts and maybe there could at least be a liquidity driven recovery.

But, now that Bernanke is calling it, I am sure there will be no recovery.
Sorry, but Bernanke is wrong, always.  And I mean always.

Well, there is a liquidity driven equity market rally going on, but no liquidity driven recovery, as average citizens are not getting any of those “liqudity” in our pockets, we are PAYING FOR IT!!! Big B is struggling, give him a break, lol

It is always funny that people forget that there is a value to liquidity.  If I want to sell my IBM, I can do it quickly and efficiently at whatever the market offers. If I want to unload my 4 spec houses in Riverside…well…not so much

You reminds me of the liqudity rebates banks collecting while doing HFT and frontrunning.

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