freedomCM - 12 June 2009 10:07 PM

The problem is that the gop advocates “abstinence only” sex ed (no mention of birth control).  In fact, they go so far as to prohibit funding of any sex ed that mentions birth control.

Sarah Palin is one such advocate/restrictor of money.

That is why she is a hypocrite.  That is why her daughter got knocked up.

That is why she is fair game.

Does anyone know for sure they didn’t use birth control that failed? 

I doubt her daughter got knocked up because her mom is a hypocrite.

Her daughter might have not known about birth control what about the father of the child?

freedomCM - 12 June 2009 10:07 PM

The problem is that the gop advocates “abstinence only” sex ed (no mention of birth control).  In fact, they go so far as to prohibit funding of any sex ed that mentions birth control.

Sarah Palin is one such advocate/restrictor of money.

That is why she is a hypocrite.  That is why her daughter got knocked up.

That is why she is fair game.

This statement is exactly correct.

Teenagers and sex are like rain in Seattle. ITS GOING TO RAIN.
So instead of keeping the whole issue of SEX evil and to be avoided.
You sit your kid down and give them condoms/birth control. You tell them how much you love them and remember how hard it was to grow up with your ignorant parents.
As parents we can act like adults and really impress our children or we can be idiots and ignore the reality of teenage sexuality in the 21st century.

Discussing the Obama`s and the Palin`s in the same pretext is just inane bytheway.
One is White Trailer Trash and the other is America`s First Family.

trrenter - 12 June 2009 10:14 PM

Apples to Apples here if Letterman would have made a reference to Michelle Obama and replaced slut with Ho you think the public wouldn’t be outraged?  Since Barack asked the Press to leave families out of the election and the press complied we don’t have as much dirt on Michelle as we do Sarah but I am sure there are a few skeletons in her closet.  For whatever reason the press has been satisfied reporting on her fashion sense and her dog.

That is not apples to apples… Michelle did not run for public office, she is the First Lady. Has Michelle gotten as much scrutiny as the former First Lady Laura Bush? You betcha and more. Laura Bush like Barbara Bush got treated with kid gloves unlike the First Lady in between. And librarian Laura even had some skeletons in her closet (involved in a fatal car accident comes to mind).

Everyone has skeletons in their closet depending on your definition. Since you want to compare the two women, Michelle graduated from two very prestigious universities and wasn’t pregnant when she got married. Palin bounced between mediocre universities to get a basic degree and was pregnant when she got married. Those are obvious differences on the 10,000 foot view of both women. Why are you so sure Michelle has something to hide?

The scrutiny Palin receives is similar to that of other prominent female policians - say Hilary Clinton. Hilary, however, did not constantly point public attention to her daughter - especially when she was a minor.

Nobody called Hillary Slutty and nobody made a comment about Chelesea having Sex with Arod during the 7th inning of a Yankees game.

trrenter - 12 June 2009 10:14 PM

Apples to Apples here if Letterman would have made a reference to Michelle Obama and replaced slut with Ho you think the public wouldn’t be outraged?  Since Barack asked the Press to leave families out of the election and the press complied we don’t have as much dirt on Michelle as we do Sarah but I am sure there are a few skeletons in her closet.  For whatever reason the press has been satisfied reporting on her fashion sense and her dog.

Or, there are no skeletons!  Don’t worry, the far Right “Black Helocopter” wackos will make up some soon enough and that will pass muster for fact.  You obv. don’t remember what they did to Bill and Hilly.

trrenter - 12 June 2009 11:12 PM

Nobody called Hillary Slutty and nobody made a comment about Chelesea having Sex with Arod during the 7th inning of a Yankees game.

Mostly because she wasn’t tramping around!  Proof?  No baby!

Glad you agree that comparing the media’s treatment of Sarah Palin and Michelle Obama is not the same.

Hillary was called far worse than a “slutty airline stewardess”. First example that comes to mind…. Newt Gingrich’s mom quoted him as calling her a b____ after the Connie Chung interview. Hilary difused the situation by inviting Newtie’s crazy dingbat un-media trained mom to the White House and making nice.

Chelsea had it worse too…
People might not have made that particular joke about Chelsea but that was because the more common joke was about how unattractive she was. For example, classy McCain’s late 90s’s joke about an 18 yr old:
“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”
Liberal SNL routinely called her ugly, who knows how many others. It wasn’t so long ago that I was a teenage girl and I would have clearly preferred the A-Rod joke to being called ugly. That hurts your self esteem. I can’t even imagine how much crap the kid would have taken if she had made the huge blunder of getting herself knocked up in high school.

I could be wrong, but didn’t Levi Johnston say on a talk show that Sarah knew he was “sleeping over” and was ok with it?

I understand the need for GOP supporters to turn any negative against any one of their (ahem… cough) leaders, and use it against someone on the other side of the aisle…... but you simply cannot put the Palin family and the Obama family side by side with a straight face.  And it is Palin’s own damn fault….. she is the one who turned herself and her family into a cartoon.  Nobody else did that for her…. she did it.  Blame the media, blame her advisors, blame McCain…. but the bottomline is that Palin and now her daughter Bristol are both cartoons.

Did David Lettermen’s joke miss the target?  Sure, but the guy is a COMEDIAN.  He is not Katie Couric for goodness sake.  So who really cares?

But this is what Palin does—she is a total drama queen that exagerates everything, which makes her an even bigger cartoon.

My advise to Palin would be to shut her trap—the more she talks, the bigger the hole gets for her to climb out of, and her family along with her.

Palin has geographic foreign policy experience.  I vote:

Must be the freezing temperature and wilderness in Alaska. Who knows?

Hey, have anyone notice this. Former 1st Lady Barbara Bush is a school teacher, right? Yet, the 8 years she was in D.C. I have never seen her reach out to the inner city school kids of D.C. as compare Michelle Obama. And the current 1st Lady Michelle Obama is not even a school teacher.

reason - 13 June 2009 08:00 AM

Hey, have anyone notice this. Former 1st Lady Barbara Bush is a school teacher, right? Yet, the 8 years she was in D.C. I have never seen her reach out to the inner city school kids of D.C. as compare Michelle Obama. And the current 1st Lady Michelle Obama is not even a school teacher.

Call me crazy, but those don’t look like suburban Irvine kids to me.

Again, just having it both ways.

trrenter - 12 June 2009 02:51 PM

She is at it again she took a trip to NY just so she could be on Letterman.

I wonder if the someone made comments about Michelle Obama or the Obama’s daughters like Letterman made about Palin and her family what the public reaction would be.

Love Letterman always liked him more then Leno but the Slutty comment and the daughter getting knocked up by Arod was pretty classless.

One awkward moment for Sarah Palin at the Yankee game, during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked-up by Alex Rodriguez.

I would be pissed off if that were my daughter he was talking about.

Contessa Brewer from MSNBC proves just how biased the media is with her interview of John Zieglar.

Contessa doesn’t mind being called Slutty evidently. Most of the women I know would throw a drink in your face or slap you if you called them a slut. Contessa doesn’t get upset about that I wonder why?

I finally saw the clips. First, let’s clarify the facts. Palin did not go to NY to be on Letterman. Yes, the jokes were made, but not in her presence. Letterman made the jokes as part of his Top Ten List.

Turning to the controversy: I agree that the joke about Palin’s daughter was not made in good taste, especially since her 14-year-old daughter was at the NYY game with her, not her 18-year-old daughter, Bristol. Letterman says that the joke was directed at Bristol. Who knows. Letterman’s people should have considered the fact that Bristol was not the kid at the Yankee game. Palin’s (or any other public figure’s) underage children should be off limits; it’s just in better taste. Unfortunately, I think that Bristol is open game. Since turning 18, she has inserted herself into the public eye by appearing on many networks talking about abstinence. Palin’s handlers should have informed Palin and Bristol about the risks associated with going to the media to espouse such views. If Palin’s handlers didn’t inform Palin and Bristol about the risks, then they should be fired. Regardless, Palin should have understood the risks anyway.

I also think that the slutty flight attendant joke about Palin was fine. Was it in good taste? Probably not. Letterman is a comedian, and it was an off color joke. Letterman is and always has been more off color than his former late night rival, Leno. Palin is a public figure, and Letterman’s joke was certainly not obscene (i.e., the joke was protected speech under the First Amendment). Public figures are subject to scrutiny and they are obvious targets for comedians. It comes with the territory. If Palin doesn’t want to be attacked, then she can step out of politics altogether—I’d like that.

I’m irritated at Letterman for making the knocked-up joke, and he regrets making the joke, too. I’m irritated because Palin is now fighting back as if she is some kind of advocate for women’s rights. If you look at her record, you’ll find that Palin is absolutely not an advocate for women’s rights.

reason - 13 June 2009 07:54 AM

Must be the freezing temperature and wilderness in Alaska. Who knows?

No, it’s the proximity between Alaska and Russia.  She’s keeping her eyes on them…

no_vaseline - 13 June 2009 03:36 PM

reason - 13 June 2009 08:00 AM

Hey, have anyone notice this. Former 1st Lady Barbara Bush is a school teacher, right? Yet, the 8 years she was in D.C. I have never seen her reach out to the inner city school kids of D.C. as compare Michelle Obama. And the current 1st Lady Michelle Obama is not even a school teacher.

Call me crazy, but those don’t look like suburban Irvine kids to me.

Again, just having it both ways.

That’s the first time I have ever seen that! Shocking. Now the few months that the Obamas have been in Office. I have seen them invited the inner city kids to the White House lawn for the Easter egg hunt; Michelle interacted by being in classes with the kids; she invited the kids to plant veggies at the new veggie garden; etc. And this is just in the last few months.

I honestly have never seen that from the Bush’s in their 8 yrs. Unless, they didn’t get the press coverage.

reason - 15 June 2009 04:09 AM

no_vaseline - 13 June 2009 03:36 PM

reason - 13 June 2009 08:00 AM

Hey, have anyone notice this. Former 1st Lady Barbara Bush is a school teacher, right? Yet, the 8 years she was in D.C. I have never seen her reach out to the inner city school kids of D.C. as compare Michelle Obama. And the current 1st Lady Michelle Obama is not even a school teacher.

Call me crazy, but those don’t look like suburban Irvine kids to me.

Again, just having it both ways.

That’s the first time I have ever seen that! Shocking. Now the few months that the Obamas have been in Office. I have seen them invited the inner city kids to the White House lawn for the Easter egg hunt; Michelle interacted by being in classes with the kids; she invited the kids to plant veggies at the new veggie garden; etc. And this is just in the last few months.

I honestly have never seen that from the Bush’s in their 8 yrs. Unless, they didn’t get the press coverage.

Laura kept a low profile during 43’s two terms.  Michelle has to get infront of the media before they do to her what they did to Hillary.

Just some examples of what certain interests will do to your image if you don’t work at controling it yourself.

Yes the Media seems out to get her. She better be careful.

Thank you for making my point for me.  The White House is front running Michelle and her image in those rags for a reason.

The unflattering picture of Michelle pointing I posted has been on Rush Limbaugh’s site for more than a year.  This White House is not going to allow the hatchet job pulled on Hillary by the Limbaugh/Hannity/O’Riley/John&Ken; group because they aren’t going to get behind the curve on image control.  You do a Google search for Michelle and you get 10-1 photos like the ones TR posted to the crap I posted.  Last fall that wasn’t the case.  It helps that your two young children have adequate supervision, parenting, and household discipline.  They are unlikely to continue the Palin family tradition - multiple generations of fabricating children outside of wedlock.

I want to un-hijack this thread and get back to the topic of Palin - specifically my contention that she’s a failed parent.  I’m really steamed about this - this is parental failure.  Parents who have control of their children and are doing their job just don’t have these problems.  Sarah (and her husband) were too involved/self absorbed in whatever else they were doing to be good parents to their children.

As parents, you have a choice - you can be your child’s parent, or you can be “the cool mom/dad” and be their buddy.  The kids I knew growing up who wound up being productive citizens and not fabricating kids out of wedlock (or in trouble with the law, or hooked on drugs) had parents that chose to be parents.  Everybody else had an inter-generational buddy.  I’m not saying that there aren’t exceptions to the rule, but in my recollection, the exceptions are very few and far in between in a sea of balanced and well adjusted children turned adults.

They are unlikely to continue the Palin family tradition - multiple generations of fabricating children outside of wedlock.

Statistics of Births to unwed Parents.  Are you saying that all of these people are bad parents?

Article with statistics

Some of these numbers are clearly not exceptions.

Thank you for making my point for me.  The White House is front running Michelle and her image in those rags for a reason.

The unflattering picture of Michelle pointing I posted has been on Rush Limbaugh’s site for more than a year.

I wasn’t making a point for you but against you.  The press love the Obama’s even before President Obama got elected Michelle was gracing the covers of magazines.  She is just like Nancy Reagan was.  The press eats her up.

Rush is far right media.  The American public will not hear rush or see his website at a grocery store like they see these magazines. 

It isn’t the Whitehouse doing anything these magazines love Michelle.

trrenter - 15 June 2009 03:45 PM

Statistics of Births to unwed Parents.  Are you saying that all of these people are bad parents?

If their children are teenagers when they fabricate other children?  Absolutely.  Total epic failure as parents.

trrenter - 15 June 2009 04:16 PM

I wasn’t making a point for you but against you.  The press love the Obama’s even before President Obama got elected Michelle was gracing the covers of magazines.  She is just like Nancy Reagan was.  The press eats her up.

Only because they remembered the lesson of what happens to a strong woman al la Hillary.

Rush is far right media.  The American public will not hear rush or see his website at a grocery store like they see these magazines. 

It isn’t the Whitehouse doing anything these magazines love Michelle.

Because, you know, nobody in the Far Right media would ever do anything to hurt a sitting first lady.

Let me quote from the opening lines of the report: “‘The Communication Stream of Conspiracy Commerce’ refers to the mode of communication employed by the right wing to convey their fringe stories into legitimate subjects of coverage by the mainstream media. This is how the stream works. First, well-funded right-wing think tanks and individuals underwrite conservative newsletters and newspapers such as the Western Journalism Center, the American Spectator and the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Next the stories are reprinted on the Internet where they are bounced all over the world. From the Internet, the stories are bounced into the mainstream media through one of two ways: 1) The story will be picked up by the British tabloids and covered as a major story, from which the American right-of-center mainstream media (i.e. the Wall Street Journal, Washington Times and New York Post) will then pick the story up; or 2) The story will be bounced directly from the Internet to the right-of-center mainstream American media. After the mainstream right-of-center American media covers the story, congressional committees will look into the story. After Congress looks into the story, the story now has the legitimacy to be covered by the remainder of the American mainstream press as a ‘real’ story.”

Hillary had Vince Foster killed.

On the September 19 and 20 broadcasts of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh resurrected his scurrilous suggestion that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) had then-deputy White House counsel Vincent Foster murdered while she was first lady. Media Matters for America has documented previous instances (here and here) of Limbaugh insinuating that the Clintons were involved in the death of Foster, who committed suicide in Northern Virginia’s Fort Marcy Park on July 20, 1993

Do the Clinton’s run Murder Inc?

Lists of supposed Clinton victims have circulated on the Internet web for the past few years. (Click here to see one list.) The lists may have originated with The Clinton Chronicles, a video produced in 1993 and since hawked by conservatives such as Pat Robertson, Rush Limbaugh, and Jerry Falwell. The Chronicles explain that as governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton supervised a drug-smuggling and money-laundering enterprise that stretched from Central America to the Reagan-administration’s CIA to west Arkansas. The video alleges that eight people were killed because they knew too much about the operation.

You are right.  The Obama’s got NOTHING to worry about.  It’s not like the keywords “Obama Muslim Socialist” doesn’t get 1,240,000 hits on Google or something.

I am getting confused.

Question (Me):
Before I respond can you answer what makes/made Bristol and Sarah floozies?

Answer (You):
Getting knocked up before they got married.  Order makes a difference.

Question (Me):
If a woman got pregnant having premarital sex will she always be a floozy.

Answer (You):
Yes.

Question (Me):
Statistics of Births to unwed Parents.  Are you saying that all of these people are bad parents?

Answer (You):
If their children are teenagers when they fabricate other children?  Absolutely.  Total epic failure as parents.

I don’t want to put words into your mouth but any woman that got pregnant before she was married you said was a floozy.  Now I would say any parent that raised a child that became a floozy per your words is a Total Epic Failure as parents.

Looking at the statistics there are plenty of Epic Failures in this country.

Per BLT’s statistics which I didn’t research teen sex is rampant.  I don’t’ disagree with the statement but I didn’t research it.  That is why teaching abstinence alone is stupid. 

A girl gets pregnant and you blame the parents?  Is it the child getting pregnant that makes them bad parents.

Lets go with some statistics here on the effectiveness of birth control.

Condom (Male)
•  Typical use: 85% effective
•  Perfect use: 98% effective
•  Of every 100 women whose partners use condoms, 15 will become pregnant (with typical use) and 2 will become pregnant with perfect use
Female Condom
•  Typical use: 79% effective
•  Perfect use: 95% effective
•  Of every 100 women who use female condoms, 21 will become pregnant (with typical use) and 5 will become pregnant with perfect use
Spermicides
•  Typical use: 71% effective
•  Perfect use: 85% effective
•  Of every 100 women who use contraceptive foam, cream, jelly, film, or suppositories, 29 will become pregnant (with typical use) and 15 will become pregnant with perfect use

The Pill
•  Typical use: 92% effective
•  Perfect use: 99.7% effective
•  Of every 100 women who use The Pill, 8 will become pregnant (with typical use) within the first year and less than one will become pregnant with perfect use
For Different Types of Birth Control Pills:
NuvaRing
•  Typical use: 92% effective
•  Perfect use: 99.7% Effective
•  Of every 100 women who use the ring, 8 will become pregnant (with typical use) within the first year and less than 1 will become pregnant with perfect use
The Ortho Evra Patch
•  Typical use: 92% effective
•  Perfect use: 99.7% Effective
•  Of every 100 women who use the patch, 8 will become pregnant (with typical use) within the first year and less than 1 will become pregnant with perfect use

So depending on the method the kids use anywhere from 8% to 18% of kids that have sex will get pregnant even if they are using birth control.
So the differentiator between a good parent and a parent that is an Epic failure could possibly be a birth control failure.

So the having sex is ok just don’t let your kids get pregnant folks or you will be epic failures. 

I can’t say that I share your view of the universe. 

If you were to say that any parent that has a teenager that is having sex is a bad parent I might not agree with you but I could see your view.

To say that a parent is an Epic failure because their teenager got pregnant is very judgemental and narrow minded.

What if the girl got an aboriton would the parents not be an epic failure?

I am posting a second response since we are on two topics.

Only because they remembered the lesson of what happens to a strong woman al la Hillary.

It was clear when Bill was Potus that Hillary was not a typical first lady.  She was a non elected, non appointed part of President Clintons cabinet.  She was front and center in the previous go around for health care.

Hillary wasn’t just a stron woman, she was as non elected official that some would say garnered way to much power.  Those were rumblings from both Democrats and Republicans alike.

I never said the right wing wouldn’t try to hurt or discredit the Democrats.  I said they weren’t mainstream.  How many intelligent people would really believe the Clintons ran murder inc.?

Oprah has a bigger audience then Rush.  She loves the Obama’s and Michelle based on the airtime she gives them. 

I don’t think that Rush will be able to top Oprah.  As I have said before I don’t think anyone has the guts other then the far right to say a bad thing about PRes. Obama or Michelle.

So it isn’t the White House or the Obama press machine that is responsible for this.  It is the media.

What was this thread about again?

Oh yea…..

I agree with Vas on the Epic Failure of a Parent if the teenager gets pregnant.

trrenter from what you have written you are having issues with your teenager.
Man I know the feeling. I busted my ass to be supportive and communicative while mine went to what I call “The Dark Side”. This is a period of anywhere from 13-17 years of age. All teenagers will go through this period in one form or another. They experiment with Drugs and Sex. Possibly commit some petty crime and god know what else. During this period a parent is challenged in the extreme. How you help your teen get through this period shows “who” you are as a parent. It reflects on how you were raised and the skill and commitment you can make in the raising of your own teenager. NOBODY said this was easy. Trust me its not. But its one of the greatest feelings in life when your sitting with your Adult offspring now over 21. And he tells you how proud he is of how you raised him. How much he hated you but no matter what he knew you loved him through that difficult period. And he still remembers when I GAVE him condoms. And told him to wear a “raincoat” at all times. We sit and laugh at all the those difficult times today. I cant wait till he gets to repeat the same process in the near future.
Its going to be great fun to watch and enjoy in my later life.