MojoJD - 03 November 2009 11:27 AM

Perspective - 28 October 2009 06:39 PM

Why not? Why couldn’t an occupancy count limitation be enforced? There’s no constitutional issue (e.g. no protected class affected).

Actually, there absolutely is a constitutional issue.

Once you start regulating occupancy (aside from fire code stuff), you are directly regulating family structure.  I cannot recall the names of the cases specifically, as I have not had to read them since law school, but the regulation of occupancy, number of generations, married vs. unmarried adult cohabitants, etc. all are interrelated and those laws/ordinances get scrutinized in great detail; every case we read ended with these statutes getting axed.

I’ll have to look into it more when I have time because its bugging me that I forgot the specific basis for the challenge.

Just so you know, protected classes are not the only categories of concern for constitutional challenges.  Depending on the specific sub-type of challenge (equal protection, etc.) there are other, less-protected groups which cannot be ignored.  Although these groups do not enjoy the same “strict scrutiny”, they have their own criteria and many of these laws fail lesser, rational-basis type evaluations by the courts.

Ahh, Mojo “JD” - I get it. I was wondering if someone would comment about what they remember from con law.

We have a flipper in Camden Place. My neighbor’s Plan 2 finally sold. The buyer introduced himself yesterday saying he’d bought it at the trustee sale.

Perspective - 03 November 2009 07:19 PM

We have a flipper in Camden Place. My neighbor’s Plan 2 finally sold. The buyer introduced himself yesterday saying he’d bought it at the trustee sale.

Oh, you mean 1403 Mercer Way?  It was purchased at the auction on Monday for $316,500 (up from an opening bid of $301,823).  Without running the comps…is that a good deal or not?

Very much so.  Demand was still high even through this last phase, where prices had begun to increase again.  (I think somewhere around $450K + for the plan 2).  I believe all but 2 units were sold in the first week.

Some people dont like the style, but some people just fall in love with the look.  I guess it can be polarizing to the SFR types, but there is definitely demand in the right demographic.  My wife and I looked around for a place for 6 months before we even knew about Camden.  Once we saw them, we just knew.  We haven’t regretted our decision for a second.  We love our home and it fits our lifestyle to T.

USCTrojanCPA - 03 November 2009 07:36 PM

Perspective - 03 November 2009 07:19 PM

We have a flipper in Camden Place. My neighbor’s Plan 2 finally sold. The buyer introduced himself yesterday saying he’d bought it at the trustee sale.

Oh, you mean 1403 Mercer Way?  It was purchased at the auction on Monday for $316,500 (up from an opening bid of $301,823).  Without running the comps…is that a good deal or not?

That looks like it might be a Meriwether condo. I think those started in the high $500s at the peak.

Can anyone confirm this - Lennar’s “Everything Included” plan means all Camden Place townhomes have the same dark wood cabinets and granite counters (among other things); so does this mean that the units with the white laminate cabinets and white tile counters are the “affordable housing” units?

I don’t think so. I bought a plan 3 in Camden phase 15 (I close 11/23) and was told I’d receive white cabinets in the 1st and 2nd floor bathrooms due to Lennar downgrading the spec level to save money. The kitchen cabinets and master bathroom cabinets would still match what’s in the model. There were other changes as well, such as deletion of the jacuzzi jets in the tub, the removal of the granite piece on the window sill of the kitchen and the removal of the interior trim pieces from the bottom of the windows. This is specific to the plan 3; I’m not sure what changes were made to the plan 2 (plan 1 was sold out by the time I purchased)

Zorak - 07 November 2009 09:14 PM

I don’t think so. I bought a plan 3 in Camden phase 15 (I close 11/23) and was told I’d receive white cabinets in the 1st and 2nd floor bathrooms due to Lennar downgrading the spec level to save money. The kitchen cabinets and master bathroom cabinets would still match what’s in the model. There were other changes as well, such as deletion of the jacuzzi jets in the tub, the removal of the granite piece on the window sill of the kitchen and the removal of the interior trim pieces from the bottom of the windows. This is specific to the plan 3; I’m not sure what changes were made to the plan 2 (plan 1 was sold out by the time I purchased)

I’ve seen units with no dark wood - the handrails in the stairwell and all the cabinets are white. My assumption has been that these are the affordable housing units.

Perspective - 07 November 2009 10:49 PM

Zorak - 07 November 2009 09:14 PM

I don’t think so. I bought a plan 3 in Camden phase 15 (I close 11/23) and was told I’d receive white cabinets in the 1st and 2nd floor bathrooms due to Lennar downgrading the spec level to save money. The kitchen cabinets and master bathroom cabinets would still match what’s in the model. There were other changes as well, such as deletion of the jacuzzi jets in the tub, the removal of the granite piece on the window sill of the kitchen and the removal of the interior trim pieces from the bottom of the windows. This is specific to the plan 3; I’m not sure what changes were made to the plan 2 (plan 1 was sold out by the time I purchased)

I’ve seen units with no dark wood - the handrails in the stairwell and all the cabinets are white. My assumption has been that these are the affordable housing units.

Zorak is correct. Those are just the later units. The originals are the dark wood, where are the newer units they did a bunch of cost saving such as the white everywhere. Nothing to do with affordable housing.

I’ve been curious about the apartment looking building on the corner of Edinger/Kensington. The one adjacent to the empty piece of land that’s suppose to be a fire station one day. Any body know what that is?

wolvie3421 - 08 November 2009 08:12 PM

I’ve been curious about the apartment looking building on the corner of Edinger/Kensington. The one adjacent to the empty piece of land that’s suppose to be a fire station one day. Any body know what that is?

its suppose to be senior condo by lennar, convent court or something like that.  but i guess lennar is just putting off the project.  that building is suppose to be the model for these senior condos.

Zorak is correct.

Actually, the white is not everywhere in the later units.  The cost-cutting involved having white cabinetry in the first and second floor bathrooms, but still the standard dark wood in the kitchen and 3rd floor.  The banisters are still dark wood, (I’m pretty sure this is still there because I could see into an open door on severyns when I drove by - maybe I’m wrong.)  They also have the fabricated marble tops on the third floor, just like the second and first (no sink tile - not against this one at all actually) - though the bathtub still has the tile.

I also believe there were a few phases in the middle of the project where they offered the option of NOT having the granite.  That may be what you are seeing.  The later phases all have the same granite, you cannot downgrade.

Also, I have just contacted the cabinet company who did the cabinets in the Camden houses.  I am having my first and second floor changed to dark wood to match everything.  I am also having my entertainment center built-in done by the same guys (to keep the wood matching everywhere) in a style that mimics the master bathroom cabinet nook with upper and lower cabinet, wood top (right before the closet door, next to the shower).  The entire estimate is WAY WAY less than the other carpenter estimates that I have been getting.  PM me if you want the total price, or just the guy’s #.  (the bathroom conversions alone are cheap, they just replace the face and doors, no major construction)

My question should be rephrased to ask “Are the homes in the earlier phases (2006-2007) that have no dark wood anywhere the affordable housing units?”  Or “Are the affordable housing units any different than the free market units?”

I have neighbors, who bought before Lennar starting trimming costs, that have white kitchen cabinets.

What do you guys think a Camden Plan #1 would rent for?

1,465 Sq Ft
2 bed 2 bath
2 car garage

Just curious. thanks.

Shooby - 10 November 2009 10:26 AM

What do you guys think a Camden Plan #1 would rent for?

1,465 Sq Ft
2 bed 2 bath
2 car garage

Just curious. thanks.

$2,100 to $2,400 depending upon upgrades and location of the condo.

Shooby - 10 November 2009 10:26 AM

What do you guys think a Camden Plan #1 would rent for?

1,465 Sq Ft
2 bed 2 bath
2 car garage

Just curious. thanks.

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Perspective - 09 November 2009 01:44 PM

My question should be rephrased to ask “Are the homes in the earlier phases (2006-2007) that have no dark wood anywhere the affordable housing units?”  Or “Are the affordable housing units any different than the free market units?”

I have neighbors, who bought before Lennar starting trimming costs, that have white kitchen cabinets.

What about the ones with white appliances?

asianinvasian - 10 November 2009 01:14 PM

Perspective - 09 November 2009 01:44 PM

My question should be rephrased to ask “Are the homes in the earlier phases (2006-2007) that have no dark wood anywhere the affordable housing units?”  Or “Are the affordable housing units any different than the free market units?”

I have neighbors, who bought before Lennar starting trimming costs, that have white kitchen cabinets.

What about the ones with white appliances?

Right, there are some units that are very standard - not “EI” / “Everything Included” as Lennar sells it.  I’d always assumed these were affordable housing units, but I thought I’d ask this forum thinking someone would know.

Blame the lack of parking on government regulations.