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—></style>          I think Chapman is a lot of things, but I don’t think its a Rapist Training Camp more than any other university in America.
  I think rich frat boys are a lot of things, but I don’t think frat boys at Chapman are any more likely to be rapists than the frat boys @ CSUF.  Incidences of rape have to do more with how much of a jerk you already are and how much alcohol you’ve drank than your race and where your parents live.

I definitely agree that Orange can be a scary place sometimes and I also agree that CU Public Safety is good for nothing other than writing a mean parking ticket. I have actually heard a number of stories of men who obviously don’t belong on campus (i.e. not students) trolling the residence hall parking lots late at night and any time of day really.  Maybe this is what the OPD was referring to-incidents involving people who don’t belong on campus in the first place.  If this is what you are trying to get at, I’d support you 100%.

In addition, Chapman also has satellite campuses up and down the west coast.
 
Also, please note Chapman is also a Christian university, even if only on paper.  There is however a strong DOC presence on campus.

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 For the record, the Fall 2007 Chapman UCI rapist competition stands at UCI 1, Chapman 0
http://www.dailypilot.com/articles/2007/08/29/publicsafety/dpt-ucifollow29.txt
 

I def think Chapman is improving, don’t know about trashing it to that degree though. I certainly wouldn’t want to live there, and if I had a daughter like bk, I’m sure worrying about those kinds of stats comes into play. Touring Riverbend was a nice contrast to something trying to be like Irvine but sort of missing the boat, missing the magic.

USC-
"Another area I am looking at is the future area in Brea on Valencia and Imperial.  I believe Standard Pacific has plans to develop in this area but details are very limited.  Do you happen to know of any info on this? "
I am also monitoring this development closely… Eva sent me some great info on the proposed plan…. not sure how to link to it… but do a search for the thread and you should be able to find it. 
I went there, nothing happening yet, I even talked to the guy that is stationed there (he works for unical - the previous owner of the property).  I also stopped by Stand Pac’s Irvine office - they are not releasing any new info.  I also tried calling someone I knew at Stand Pac… they have since been layed off.  I think it’s a safe bet to say this project is postponed for awhile based on lack of activity and information NOT being released…
GITOC

Here’s the link.

"I could not find many bars around UCI where the kids could get drunk and get into trouble."
Yeah I know, I went there.  And the lack of fun sucked.  TIC closed down Dublin’s before I turned 21 (now the site of TJs), and Steelhead was not fun.  There were constant, repeating complaints the entire time I attended of "there is nothing to do in Irvine" and "Irvine doesn’t want us here" and even "why couldn’t we have been named UC Newport Beach?  Then fun people might actually want to come here."  These complaints came out of folks of every race and major, so I can’t even generalize.  I lived with other honors students and I heard these complaints constantly.  Believe it or not, even the Asian pre-Meds want to go out and have a little fun sometimes.
Date rape is a serious matter, and if you are worried about your kids then teach them disciplined study habits, how to be responsible with alcohol and how to act when around people they don’t know well.

And sign them up for self defense classes.

Funny how this conversation turns from the Riverbend project to rape cases in/around Chapman U.  And you want to talk rich frat boys…come on over to USC.  Though there may be the occasional report of attempted rape/assault on that campus, the campus security is pretty good (considering the area they have to patrol).

caycifish,

I’m not sure when you attended, but why not drink on campus at the pub - the prices were very affordable too.

"why not drink on campus at the pub"
Because the place was always dead and quiet whenever I was there.  I went a few times for swing dancing night though…that was fun.  Fun is about more than just the availability of alcohol. 

Do they still have the on-campus pub at UCI, above the food court at the student center? Gosh I miss that place… been so long since I’ve been there.

blue,

The entire student center has been renovated and I’m unsure what’s there right now (it’s supposed to be quite impressive).  Before any construction began the pub was closed down earlier than the rest of the student center but I believe that after some petitioning brought back the pub.  While it was down I heard that the phoenix grill, the food court in the middle of Aldrich Park, served bottled booze but nothing from the tap.

caycifish,

I always went to the pub with friends so I found the experience to be much different than what you are describing.  Also, Anthill Pub was particularly busy after midterms and finals - the mood was definitely improved.

Riverbend is far from Chapman University (15min by car?) Is it even relevant to the question?
I don’t believe it’s a dangerous area. I wouldn’t walk outside alone at night, but why would I want to do that even if I was in Irvine? Nobody in SoCal walks anywhere.

People walk in Santa Ana all the time.

Some of them because they want to (Floral Park) the rest because they have no cars.

bkshopr - 05 September 2007 10:10 AM

UCI on the other hand are primarily Asians due to the many majors offered are in technical and analytical fields. Asians in University put studies first before relationship (Asians attending Junior College are the opposite). I could not find many bars around UCI where the kids could get drunk and get into trouble. The much more demanding school academic pressure in general allowed very little free time to partying and getting drunk which could lead to trouble. Most kids attending UCI are not really savvy in relationship. They are more of the introvert than the out going type. Read other posts regarding Irvine School to learn more about the students who attend school in Irvine.

Being an Asian myself, I find great ironic humour in your assessment of the ‘studious UCI Asians.‘

First, when I attended 10 years ago, UCI was known as the ‘commuter campus’ (compared to the other UC campuses.)  Some students are true commuters (living at home), others (like myself) lived in on campus housing during the week, then go home for (most) weekends.  As you noted, student life in and around campus, off-hours, was absolutely dead.  UCI has since built more parking-lots and expanded the dorms (I stayed at Mesa Court and Campus Village when I was there), so the commuter-profile may have changed over time.

Also, UCI was, and still is, second-bench to UCLA and UC Berkeley.  The first question I asked other students when I arrived on campus, “How/why did you choose UCI?“  The #1 answer: “got rejected from UCLA/UCBerkeley/UCSD.“  I felt great kinship with these students, perhaps out of coincidence, because I too had applied to UCLA/UCBerkeley, and gotten rejected!  Hence, through process of elimination, UCI was “winner by DEFAULT.“  In practical terms, of the students who were admitted to their top-UC (UCLA/UCB) but still picked UCI, generally did so due to financial-aide considerations (i.e. scholarship award to attend UCI.)  I did encounter some students whose parents insisted they attend UCI over UCLA/Berkeley, because UCI was geographically closer to the parents (I have to admit, this is a lot more common in Asian families than Caucasian.)

With the majority of UCI Asians being rejectees of the Greater UC Campuses, there’s a collective psychology there “well we weren’t good enough for UCB/UCLA, but good enough for UCI.“  After all, they are merely AboveAverageAsians, instead of OverAchievingAsians.  As a group, they are more laid back and lax in their study-habits (versus their OverAchieving UCB brethren.)  While you can make the case that university-attending Asians are relatively introverted (compared to other ethnicities on the same campus), it’s important to know that there are even more introverted Asians at the Greater UC Campuses.  From what my older OverAchieving brother told me about his UCBerkeley experience (he was pre-med), A LOT of anti-social people there.  And that’s scary, because some of them would make fine medical researchers, but would have terrible, terrible bedside-manner (if they were becoming doctors to genuinely help other people…)

Finally, I apologize to anyone for my downtreading remarks about UCI.  UCI’s literature/writing program is strong (outranks the other ICs), in the same way that USC’s film-program is strong.  A lot of the Asians who attend UCI, sitting isolated and just studying, don’t think as highly of the school as one would expect.  (I definitely didn’t…and I studied a lot when I was there.)  It’s the whole pecking-order mentality (IVY-LEAGUE > UCB/UCLA > UCI > UCR > Calstate/Calpoly > why couldn’t my son/daughter even get into a state-school…) ingrained into them from their firstgen Asian immigrant parents.

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Ack, I forgot the original reason I replied to this thread…

One of my friends is considering relocating from Irvine to a place closer to Fullerton (but not actually in Fullerton.) When he mentioned Riverbend in Orange, my first question was “Why?!?“  His point is that he has a townhome in an Irvine development which he considers “the ghettos of Irvine” (speaking facetiously, naturally)—and with children on the way, he and his wife are thinking a single-family home is a better longterm place.  I can’t imagine Orange will have better schools than their current spot in Irvine (“ghetto” as it might be…)

marty mcfly - 05 September 2007 11:37 AM

bkshopr—you know a lot about urban planning, development, architecture, and tract homes.  But your diatribe on why Chapman students are more likely to commit rape is totally bonkers.

Actually, I can see exactly what he is saying.  I went to CSUF for my junior and senior years as well as my MBA.  It is completely fragmented, most people work (especially those who attend at night), and I was lucky to know a few people in each class, even by the END of the program. 

My little brother went to UCSB.  I don’t think anyone would argue against it being a frat/sorrority/party school.  It is because it has all of the same qualities that bkshopr mentioned (rich kids away from home, social scene, night life, frats/sorrorities).

So…  I wouldn’t call his theories bonkers at all.

Shadax - 15 September 2008 09:20 AM

marty mcfly - 05 September 2007 11:37 AM

bkshopr—you know a lot about urban planning, development, architecture, and tract homes.  But your diatribe on why Chapman students are more likely to commit rape is totally bonkers.

Actually, I can see exactly what he is saying.  I went to CSUF for my junior and senior years as well as my MBA.  It is completely fragmented, most people work (especially those who attend at night), and I was lucky to know a few people in each class, even by the END of the program. 

My little brother went to UCSB.  I don’t think anyone would argue against it being a frat/sorrority/party school.  It is because it has all of the same qualities that bkshopr mentioned (rich kids away from home, social scene, night life, frats/sorrorities).

So…  I wouldn’t call his theories bonkers at all.

Wow, A year old post with a new life!!