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| Posted: 12 March 2007 02:10 AM |
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IrvineMom,
That is too bad about your friend. Before this is all over, everyone in Orange County will be touched either directly or indirectly by the bust.
I wonder who is the main culprit for this mess.
It may take years to figure that one out. None of this would have occurred if Wall Street was not buying the paper. The circumstances and conditions leading to that will be difficult to elucidate.
The Subprime ones are filthy rich. I was told subprime is where the money is.
Doesn’t this remind you of the dot.com bubble? Twenty somethings getting billions of Wall Street dollars to create websites with no revenue and no real business plan. Looks pretty similar to me.
The subprime LOs are not saying a word about the mess.
Look for the perma-bulls to fall conspicuously quiet as well.
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| Posted: 12 March 2007 08:09 AM |
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Sub-primes prime the housing slump
The LA Times is also reporting on this mess. Notice they now acknowledge this was a bubble.
Easy money fueled the housing boom, but it may also prolong the slump.
March 12, 2007
CALIFORNIA’S HOUSING bubble and housing slump share a root cause: easy money. And the particular category of easy money that sustained the bubble for so long — so-called sub-prime mortgages, which are designed for borrowers with weak credit and little cash on hand — may also prolong the slump.
Generally, sub-prime mortgages carry higher fees and interest rates than prime loans. Often they feature adjustable rates and other options that keep payments low in the first few years of the loan. They make it easier for buyers to break into expensive markets such as Southern California; since 2003, 15% to 25% of the mortgages originated in California have been sub-prime.
But these loans have a dark side: The size of their payments can increase, sometimes steeply. When home prices are on the rise and credit is easily available, such spikes aren’t as problematic; if the payments are too much, a homeowner can always refinance or sell (at a profit).
Or at least a homeowner could during the bubble. In a downturn, those options evaporate — and many borrowers default.
In the fourth quarter of 2006, default notices rose to almost 40,000 — their highest level in eight years. The pain could spread if rising defaults beget stricter lending practices and demand for housing slips, driving prices still lower.
Whether the sub-prime mess will initiate such a downward spiral — or infect the real estate market more broadly — remains to be seen.
Freddie Mac, which owns about $184 billion in bonds backed by sub-prime mortgages, recently announced that it was raising qualification requirements for the loans in which it invests. And five federal financial regulatory agencies have urged lenders to better explain the risks of adjustable-rate loans.
Economists from industry groups say the sub-prime crisis doesn’t necessarily spell doom. Another view is that the housing market was in need of a correction and that a tightening of credit is just what the broker ordered. Either way, wobbles from large sub-prime lenders — which include Irvine-based New Century Financial Corp. and Santa Monica-based Fremont General Corp. — could put a damper on the local economy.
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| Posted: 12 March 2007 04:41 PM |
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I know so many wholesale mortgage account excutives looking for jobs right now. The good ones (the minority) will find jobs but the bad ones (the majority fraudsters) will be out of luck. I think maybe being an ex-mortgage guy I should do a topic on this. Have you checked out quiggle me? His stories of BNC are spot on and he is holding some info back too. Also have you seen the dicussions on http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff208052.htm for quick loan funding?
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| Posted: 13 March 2007 04:53 AM |
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Today the sh*t storm is really pooring down. LEND is down $7.50 a share because they received a $190 million margin call. They are scrambling for liquidity and are essentially in crisis mode. OC has record new home inventory, foreclosures are at the highest in years and dataquick median numbers show price decreases. Countrywide’s CEO Angelo Mozilo said that it is going to get worse before it gets better. He is worried that it will affect the rest of the economy. I always knew that this would happen but I didn’t think it would be happening so fast.
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| Posted: 13 March 2007 05:54 PM |
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Accredited skidded $7.43, or 65.2 percent, to $3.97, its lowest close ever. New Century, now listed on the Pink Sheets, fell 81.5 cents, or 49.1 percent, to 84.5 cents.
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| Posted: 14 March 2007 11:09 AM |
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New Century update:
https://lounge.newcentury.com/cms/pdfs/nc.com/broker_letter.pdf
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| Posted: 14 March 2007 06:13 PM |
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Oh and by the way these same CDOs are what bankrupted OC in 96. Thanks Merrill Lynch. So why is OC doing business with them again?
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| Posted: 14 March 2007 06:20 PM |
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| Posted: 15 March 2007 09:40 AM |
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Dudes….don’t worry about the subprimes…..Senator Dodd is coming to save the day. Yes, your government is going to ensure that those poor subprime borrowers can keep their homes….Only in America! The people pay taxes so the Senators can spend it to bail out the financially irresponsible…. Why would anyone act responsible in America?.... I’ve got to send an email to Senator Dodd about that new Lamborgini I want but I can not afford…. and there is that cute little 4 mil fixer on the coast that I will need subsidized….. and that vacation in the Bahamas I can’t afford… and there is that…...
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| Posted: 15 March 2007 10:09 AM |
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Ranger Rick,
I think the goverment is only going to help the low-income homeowners and still going to punish the subprime lenders. Dont know how this will help the subprime defaults - only time will tell.
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| Posted: 15 March 2007 02:30 PM |
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How do you bail out low-income home owners who are over their heads… and still punish the sub-prime lenders? Please don’t say, "with regulations…"
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| Posted: 16 March 2007 11:06 AM |
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| Posted: 17 March 2007 10:28 AM |
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It isn’t clear to me whether all 3,000 jobs are in Orange? If so, it is pretty bad indeed for local economy. Hopefully things wont get much worse.
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| Posted: 18 March 2007 11:49 AM |
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Good article from San Diego:
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No denying mortgage crisis likely will worsen[/url]
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Most people, it is commonly said, go through five stages when dealing with doom: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.
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As far as San Diego bankruptcy attorney Mark Miller is concerned, many homeowners are only in the “denial” stage regarding the subprime lending crisis, although they may soon slip into “anger."
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| Posted: 18 March 2007 02:18 PM |
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Shout.
Shout.
Let it on out.
Bubbles are the things we can do without.
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| Posted: 20 March 2007 03:57 AM |
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People’s Choice Home Loan files for Chapter 11
Another employer in Irvine bites the dust.
NEW YORK (Reuters) - People’s Choice Home Loan Inc., a California-based mortgage lender to people with poor credit histories, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on Tuesday, according to court papers.
The Irvine, California-based unit of People’s Choice Financial Corp., a real estate investment trust, became at least the fourth large U.S. subprime lender to seek protection from creditors in the last three months.
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It listed more than $100 million of both assets and debts in its filing with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Central District of California.
Many subprime lenders have struggled from rising delinquencies and defaults, and more than two dozen have quit the industry in the last year.
People’s Choice and its lawyers did not immediately return calls and e-mails seeking comment.
Founded in 1999 by Neil Kornsweit, a former executive at subprime lender Aames Financial Corp., People’s Choice employs about 1,150 people nationwide, according to its Web site.
The company has retail offices in four states and wholesale offices in eight, and offered its first public securitization in April 2004, the site said.
People’s Choice listed Wachovia Corp. as its largest unsecured creditor, but didn’t say what it owes the bank. Among other listed creditors are Residential Funding Corp., Credit Suisse and Bear Stearns Mortgage Capital Corp.
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On March 14, People’s Choice Financial withdrew plans with U.S. securities regulators to register common stock, citing "various business and market reasons."
Subprime mortgage lenders that recently sought Chapter 11 protection include Mortgage Lenders Network USA Inc., Ownit Mortgage Solutions Inc. and ResMae Mortgage Corp.
Others, such as Irvine-based New Century Financial Corp. and Santa Monica, California’s Fremont General Corp. , have this month cut jobs or announced planned cuts.
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| Posted: 21 March 2007 07:02 PM |
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Wells Fargo cuts 500 jobs in mortgage unit
"Most of the cutbacks, concentrated in South Carolina, Arizona and California, stem from Wells Fargo’s recent decision to make it more difficult for borrowers with blemished credit records to qualify for subprime mortgages."
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| Posted: 21 March 2007 07:03 PM |
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RPT-Wells Fargo cuts another 121 subprime jobs
"Wells Fargo & Co., the fifth-largest U.S. bank, on Tuesday said it is eliminating 121 jobs in Tempe, Arizona, in a unit that offers mortgages to higher-risk borrowers.
The cuts are on top of 323 previously announced job cuts in the home loan unit, including 252 in Fort Mill, South Carolina, and 71 in Concord, California."
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| Posted: 26 March 2007 03:55 PM |
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I know some here read Calculated Risk but since this focuses on mortgage fraud I thought that it would be a good addition here for those who don’t read Calculated Risk. I also think that it is great that Tanta shares the experience of how mortgage backed securities and the risk involved with the public. The few that I have met in the capital markets departments of lenders are not anywhere near as willing as Tanta to discuss what they do and the stuff they see.
http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2007/03/unwinding-fraud-for-bubbles.html
I believe the M. Mouse signature is very true. I believe this because the company I worked for started to crack down on the "stated income" loans because they had to buy some of them back. One of the loans they had to buy back was a Blockbuster clerk who made $9k a month. Gee I wonder what the problem is here? Why the loan officer, underwriter, underwriting supervisor (who signs off on the deal), funder or the capital markets auditor thought this was reasonable and not think for a second that this would be a loan that no one would buy if they ever saw it. This is where Tanta’s third theory comes to reality in that a few bad apples shouldn’t spoil the basket but the mold just starts to spread.
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