The City of Lights

May 4th, 2007   by IrvineRenter  in Flips

Siene FrontSiene Kitchen

Asking Price: $899,000

Purchase Price: $897,000

Purchase Date: 7/5/2006

Address: 15361 Siene Circle, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 5IrvineRenter
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,982
Lot Sq. Ft.: 7,995
Year Built: 1969
Stories: 2
Type: Single Family Residence
View: Park or Green Belt
Neighborhood: El Camino Real
$/Sq. Ft.: $301
MLS#: S484070
Status: Active on market
On Redfin: 11 days

Redfin, Zillow

From Redfin, "Almost 8000 square feet lot in the center of Irvine. Prized end of cul -de-sac location backs up to greenbelt-lots of privacy!Park-like yard that includes a large patio with fire pit. Family room with fireplace, . No mello-roos, no HOA. Surroounded by greenbelt, park, & tennis courts. With nearby college & golf course. Newly remodeled with granite counter tops, new light fixtures, new carpet, travertine, and hardwood floor. New paint, sinks & faucets, new vinyle windows, scraped texture ceiling."

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El Camino Real is one of the most "tractlike" neighborhoods in Irvine. There is a lack of parks, play areas and pools. It is probably the best value on a dollars-per-square-foot basis as there is little else to bring people to the neighborhood. As the description mentions, there are a few beltway greenspaces where they preserved the old windrows from the agricultural operation. Those neighborhood criticisms aside, this property is nice and updated albeit a bit old.

Siene River

Eiffel Tower at Sunset - Seine River, Paris

This property appears to be owned by a local realtor; either that or the owner coincidentally has the same name. This property is shown as one of her "featured listings" for $949,000. The property is empty, so it appears to be a flip that is bleeding cash. The seller has a first mortgage for $717,600 and a second for $89,700 through Countrywide. With a combined debt of $807,300 (and likely a 3% commission), the seller has some room to negotiate how much she is going to lose before this becomes a short sale. It doesn't look like this flip will be financing any trips to Paris. Seine Circle is as close to the Siene as this seller will get.

Siene Painting

The Siene at Courbevoie - 1885, Georges Pierre Seurat

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by Aeneid
2007-05-05 04:55 AM

More like “Insane” circle when it comes to price and the esthetic of the place.

Astute Observation by David
2007-05-04 08:45 PM

Thanks graphix

Astute Observation by bulwark
2007-05-04 07:49 PM

Or a place to lose money.

Astute Observation by ollie4
2007-05-04 04:25 PM

I believe what you’ve mistaken for a plastic pole is actually a tree swing, so it’s more a case of a poorly framed attempt to show off some bit of charm I suppose . . .

Astute Observation by graphrix
2007-05-04 04:05 PM

David - I checked 7 Heather and it recorded 4/12/07 for $1.432mil and was just listed by Misuk Hysen of First Team for $1.539mil. They put 50% down which is very odd for a flipper. It was the original owner from 2000 so as long as they didn’t use all of their HELOC they made a mighty nice profit. Does that give you the info you were looking for?

Astute Observation by OCDEVIL
2007-05-04 01:10 PM

This is a comp killer i’m sure.

Astute Observation by David
2007-05-04 11:42 AM

Buster/ Irvine Renter

Could you check 7 Heather, Irvine whether this is in the same situation?

Astute Observation by buster
2007-05-04 11:27 AM

Update:  This SUPPOSEDLY sold.  Anybody want to figure out what’s going on?

On April 3, 2007 the agent/flipper recorded a grant deed to Sandra J. Alper, Trustee (OC Recorder Document 2007-00213014).  On April 18, 2007, the agent/flipper recorded a reconveyance (OC Recorder Document 2007-00248625).  Something smells fishy.  Why was it listed by the agent/flipper after the documents were already recorded?

Posing as a potential buyer, we made a quick inquiry with the agent/flipper and she says, “It’s in escrow.”  In this market, the agent (who is also the seller) should have been quick to say, “We’re taking back-up offers.  Can I get your name?  Do you want to see it?”  Let’s face it, the probability of it falling out of escrow is pretty darn high.  So if you are the agent, much less the agent/flipper/seller, you would certainly want to speak with someone who shows an interest in the property, right?  NOPE – she specifically said, “I’m not interested in discussing the property because it’s in escrow.”  Could there possibly be a hint of something not quite on the “up and up” going on here?  Now, surely nobody would suspect FRAUD going on here…….

Astute Observation by lendingmaestro
2007-05-04 09:36 AM

with that lot size and age of the home you could make the argument that this is a tear down candidate.

Not for that price of course.  Maybe 500K???  You can get a construction loan for a nice 2500+ sq ft home for close to 270k.

Or you can by the flophouse as is for almost a million.

Astute Observation by lowrydr310
2007-05-04 09:24 AM

Oh but it’s IRVINE.. Everyone wants to live in IRVINE! Home values can NEVER go down in Irvine.

By the way, my cousin owned a home just a few blocks away from this gem and I lived with him for several years, so I know the neighborhood very well. In 1998 he purchased the home for $255K. His job forced him to relocate and when he sold the house he got $450K for it, which I thought was excessive. It’s out of control now!

Don’t fret.. things will come back to reality even if it takes a few years. I can’t wait until people stop thinking about real estate as a way to get rich quickly and begin to think of it more in terms of finding a place to call home.

Astute Observation by Ranger Rick
2007-05-04 08:47 AM

This property is ugly… but the price per square foot is getting closer to acceptable…. oh, but the price of ugly…..

Astute Observation by buster
2007-05-04 08:34 AM

Doesn’t anyone remember this was featured on this site in October, 2006 (Flip-Flop Go the Brokers in Irvine).  This is owned by the listing broker.  She paid $890,000 for it, put in granite countertops, laminate flooring, scraped the ceilings and tried to list it for $200,000 more.

It was a 10% down deal and, according to the listing agent, she put $30,000 into it.  So $89,000 down plus $30,000 = $119,000 into it.  After failing to complete her flip, she rented it for six months for about $1,200 per month negative.

SUPPOSEDLY it sold at $890,000.  So the flipper/broker netted $863,000 after costs.  Subtract this from the $807,000 due on the first and second (both with Countrywide) and you get net cash to the seller of $56,000.  The broker/flipper has $119,000 into it and nets $56,000, net loss is $63,000 less $7,200 rental loss for a total loss of $70,200 or -59.00% on an eight month investment.  Couldn’t have happened to a nicer flipper.

Astute Observation by Kman
2007-05-04 08:08 AM

A moron with a lot of guts and money.

Astute Observation by David
2007-05-04 06:49 AM

Irvine Renter

Could you check out 7 Heather, Irvine.  Is this a flip as well?  I think the recent sales agent was discussed in one of Zovalls previous post about North Park.  Who in their right mind would want to flip a million and half property in this market.

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2007-05-04 06:11 AM

What’s worse is the realtor is the owner.

Astute Observation by No_Such_Reality
2007-05-04 05:46 AM

Another basically million dollar home in Irvine, where the REALTOR can’t be bothered to take the plastic pole thingy out of the front yard for the photo or even bothered to market the home with photos that are not blurry.

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2007-05-04 05:43 AM

The information is all public record. You need access through a title company to obtain this easily.

Astute Observation by awgee
2007-05-04 05:37 AM

How do you find out the mortgage information on a property?  Such as the mortgage amounts and the lenders?
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