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Here’s another house Ponzied from 1999 prices all the way to damn near 2010 rental parity.
How long before a 30 year mortgage is at 4.0%? How about lower? As I predicted not very long. Meaningless to most housing markets, but meaningful to areas like Irvine.
Planet Reality, I hope you submitted an offer on this place. Hurry, you’ll probably have competition.
Like you said, you’ll be collecting a fabulous Irvine rent check for eternity. Buy now or be priced out forever!!!!
I’m not I interested in Irvine as a place to live, I am interested in what has become of premium areas. Irvine continues to be the safest city in America with it’s crime rate decreasing to record lows while other areas see crime increasing with the recession.
Planet, I’m not saying you have to live in Irvine. You can buy in Irvine and rent the place out…rental parity is the name of the game here. This is a no brainer if mortgage rates continue to drop (as you predict). As we heard, even people from Newport and Laguna are flocking to Irvine. Safest city in the US, the best schools in OC, endless FCBs…I think you should take the plunge.
There are other more efficient ways to make the flight to safety trade than Irvine rental parity. Like I said I’m only interested in the thought provoking commentary on what has become of premium US locations. Your best options is to continue renting and enjoy your young beach life style.
Thanks Planet, that’s what I intend on doing. Way too much risk in buying right now. I enjoy reading your posts, and it’s always fun to ruffle your feathers occasionally.
what are efficient ways to fly to safety?
Since you constantly grind IR on his facts:
In Crime, a Remarkable Trend
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2010/05/in-crime-a-remarkable-trend.html
Care to ask someone from Las Vegas what 20% unemploynent, 80% decline in commercial properites, and 50+% decline in residential properties is doing to the community?
One thing it is doing is creating opportunities to pick up distressed assets at great prices.
If I was a builder with lots of cash, now would the time to start a huge project, IMHO. Construction costs are very low right now, and by the time anything big was completed, the economy should be recovering strongly.
That is why you are not a builder.
can we do a let’s pretend? How long would that project take to fruition?
I want us all to come back on that date and see how it would have panned out. BOom or Bust?
I think building right now is a TERRIBLE idea because the economy is in worse shape now than before. I’m trying to think what bubble they can blow up next to make it appear the economy is recovering strongly. ? We have created a massive economic contraction which must be dealt with. I feel this real estate bust is large enought to force us to face reality soon.
All hail unrestrained capitalism…Condo Vultures Inc.
I’m positive some people would pick the gold out of dead people’s mouths if they could get away with it.
This home is near rental parity for a buyer with a $142K downpayment and another $19,880 for move-in and closing costs. My assumption is that a majority of people don’t have that much liquid cash saved.
Even at ‘rental parity’ that is a lot of money to gamble with. It only makes sense if you believe that rents hold and home values don’t drop any more before you need to sell. Despite what some people say on TV, the signs for a rapid recovery are nowhere in sight.
I’m not sure about your first assertion. People with money are flocking to premium areas. Irvine and other premium areas illustrate this. You don’t see the same results in areas like Riverside and Las Vegas. These areas are in the process of being decimated.
Your second assertion may be correct. I am simply stating the facts, the Ponzi economy has this house at rental parity and people are quick to purcahse in Irvine with cash and incomes.
The next FBI report will show that Irvine is the safest city in China LOL.
I disagree that Riverside is in the process of being decimated. I would say that that the decimation happened about a year ago, and it has been very slowly recovering ever since. Now, the question remains whether or not the ending of the tax credits will reverse this trend. Inventories on the low end are creeping up (from very low levels), although there hasn’t been much effect on pricing yet.
I dont think anyone is flocking these days. Even people with money and jobs don’t know what the future holds and will be careful to make the commitment to buy a house now. Also, I am not sure where this rental parity assumption is coming from that I read over and over on this blog. I can tell you as a long term renter who is keeping a close eye on the market that rents continue to drop and this rental parity will be a thing of the past. This is the case for all types of properties in Irvine, from houses to upscale (e.g. Marquee) and lower scale rentals. I think the impact of these falling rents on prices is underestimated on this blog.
“How long before a 30 year mortgage is at 4.0%? How about lower?”
How long can prices grind lower, year after year, under such conditions?
Ask Japan!
Disclaimer: Japan obviously is not as desirable, nor as crime-free as Irvine, and in general the motivation of schoolchildren from Japan can never approach Irvine standards. Also, Japan has gobs of open space: most Japanese live in 6,500 square-foot dwellings, which creates a downward pressure on prices.
Another example would be Hong Kong. According to Andy Xie HK RE price went up 4 times from 1990 to 1997 in a fantastic bubble fashion. After East Asia financial crisis of 97-98, HK RE market began its descending course, and eventually dropped 75% by 2003, relinquished pretty much all the gains from bubble years. And I always wondered why HK bubble market hadn’t been saved by investors from mainland China with bagful of cash.
Some would say that hot air was let out of HK RE market because rich HK residents fled to other parts of the world to avoid the takeover by the Mainland. So they took their money and blew bubbles in some other “lucky” places (Vancouver, maybe?). Or just like Japan (and unlike Irvine), HK crime rate was way too high (have you seen those early John Woo films – everybody there seemed to belong to some local gang or triad, and people hacked at each other with machetes under broad day light), school quality was terrible, and the place was so sparsely populated.
My bad for even bringing Hong Kong into the same sentence with Irvine …
When was the last time you looked at Japanese real estate? Even today Tokyo is priced at over $2000 per sq. ft. many times more expensive than Irvine ever was.
Breaking NEWS, the recovery continues at a craptastic pace!
Private Pay Shrinks to Historic Lows
Look out Zimbabwe, there’s a new Sheriff in town.
I think $485,000 was too much for this place in 1999. My friend bought a 2,900 sq.ft. house for $450K in West Irvine, in 2000. Maybe this house is full of marble?
Ok, Redfin explains the discrepancy:
Property History for 74 LINHAVEN
May 10, 2010 Listed $710,000
Nov 13, 2001 Sold (Public Records) $485,000
Aug 06, 1999 Sold (Public Records) $389,000
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So it was $389,000 in 1999.
Glut of bank-owned homes means prolonged agony for California governments.
Tens of thousands of homes in the East Bay are in foreclosure or are owned by banks. Some sit empty; a few are boarded up.
Beyond the squatters and overgrown yards blighting neighborhoods, the glut of bank-owned homes means years of decline in the property taxes on which cities, schools and the state of California depend.
So local governments that already have sent out layoff notices by the hundreds may be forced to make more cuts.
For those losing their homes to foreclosure, the end of the line comes when banks reclaim the house keys.
For governments, that is just the beginning.
Foreclosed houses do not obtain lower property tax assessments until banks sell them. So tax revenue will keep falling until banks sell all the houses they end up with, creating a long-term lower tax base.
In the East Bay, banks own more than 10,000 homes, only a fraction of which are listed for sale. Another 20,000 are in foreclosure, headed toward bank ownership, according to data from RealtyTrac.com.
About one in 20 houses in Contra Costa County is either in the foreclosure process or is bank-owned, according to the data.
“There is no question government services at all levels are going to suffer because of this,” said Contra Costa County Assessor Gus Kramer. “It’s just one of the trappings of the economy we’re in.”
The number of bank-owned homes is a double-edged sword. For the moment,
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banks are still paying the higher taxes associated with the original values. So for the moment, local and state governments still receive the higher allocations.
“(Banks) are not dumping all these properties on the market at once,” Kramer said. “If they spoon-feed them out, it just spreads out the pain a little bit longer.”
IR,
The escalation of Ponzi mentality probably all started in 80’s when Reaganomics took the center stage. Before Reagan, under the typical Keynesian framework, gov’t only engaged in large deficit spending during economic downturns (recession/depression) to fill in the demand shortfall from private sector. But Reagan started massive gov’t borrowing (due to tax cut) during a BOOMING economy. The rationale of the Reaganomics is that cutting taxes would stimulate the “supply” side of the economy and therefore expands corporate investment, earnings and employment, and the incremental tax revenue will not only pay off the fiscal deficit, but also creates surpluses in the long haul.
I always wondered whether Reaganomics had a profound impact on American society in terms of its general attitude towards debt/credit and public view on what constitutes a sound policy. If the federal gov’t believes leveraging on debt could be an effective way to produce greater good for the society on a national level, then it must be a sound financial decision for individuals as well. It is no surprise that deregulation was another hallmark of Reagan era, which unleashed the wicked “creative” power of Wall Street. Widespread use of debt instruments proliferated during the decade – securitization of loans (including MBS), junk bonds, leveraged buyout (LBO), credit card debt … all flourished.
Although Ponzi thinking wasn’t really a new phenomenon, it did become much more ingrained in American public psyche during Reagan Administration. America finally completed its transformation into a true “financial economy”. Debt financing was no longer just the lubricant for the real economy, it became the economy.
It will be interesting to see if we can find a cause and effect of the Ponzi mentality. I suspect it always lurks below the surface.
Ever since the early 1980s when Reagan took office, steadily declining interest rates made continually larger debts serviceable with continually smaller payments. It is hard to say if Reaganomics created this mentality or if it is merely a natural response to steadily declining interest rates among both government and private borrowers alike.
This whole era reminds be of the Roaring 20s when interest rates were very low and Ponzi financing was common. It took the Great Depression to purge the Ponzi mentality from the population. The Great Recession has been bad, but it seems we are working hard to bring Ponzi back.
I wonder what Reagan would be saying right now.
My question is: “is it better to give the people the freedom to take on as much or as little debt as they desire and learn from any mistakes made? Or is it better that the government dictate who can lend to whom and at what price and quantity?”
Knowledge and experience can be gained from making or watching people make mistakes. can the govt prevent this? Not as well as you’d like to believe. Is it the govts job to prevent this? They have proven they are not so good at manipulating mortgage markets.
I blame the debacle on a socialized mortgage market and govt meddling, that a free market would never have allowed to blow to such proportions.
It seems as if people and the govt analists are confusing real and virtual realities. The real disposible income from a debt load that excedes income is negative in real accounting. But with the HEW, HEW money feels and acts like a positive income. The virtual income can become real if the debt is forgiven. Real at least to the one who borrowed and didn’t pay it back. It becomes a real debt to the taxpayers, who stuck with the bill. The real debt should be with the borrowers and lenders. Sandbagging the taxpayers with the real debt is unethical, theft and standard practice in the USA welfare for the banksters and indrustialists for the last 100 years.
Correction on my last post on the number of police cars in RPV, they might have increased it to 5 cars from 2 cars at all times. If they would only have increased it to 10 cars, they wouldn’t have had their crimewave. Where the website the FBI UCS for Irvine?
I think there was a lot of focused attention on interest rates, interest rates, interest rates in the early 2000s. Some people were freaking out about how times like these were so rare and that now is a once in a lifetime opportunity to borrow money, and lots of it because, like, just look at the cost of funds will you! It’s rigodammneddiculous.
Maybe this fed the acceptance of more and more borrowing beyond the means of real income to ever pay it back.
What I consider sad is that even today (May 2010) OC Realtors at open houses are still plugging the fact that interest rates remain at record lows, and that this should serve to remove any pause to buying now, particularly the higher priced 4 Bed SFHs for families. It is a NAR- and CAR-sanctioned Herlihy Boy appeal to buyers: “Please go into debt. Please consider placing your financial well-being in the 4th column. You’ll like it there. And we’ll be paid a nice commission in the process”
“FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, leverage yourself to the hilt and buy a house beyond your means!”
Most people only look at imediate monthly payment as the cost. With 3.5% down and low interest, the “purchase” doesn’t look bad. If thing get bad (i.e., job loss), the BO stimulus package of 400 day for the average NOD plus time for the trustee sale is much better than renting and being evicted in 60 day after non-payment.
Do the math to include low interest rates, low down payment and squatter’s benefits.
I cringe at the thought of living on freeway Jamboree. I just walk along it and wonder how anyone can enjoy their yards or open their windows without being annoyed. Does anyone know how much if at all that factors into someone’s desire to buy a home? To me it’s like living on train tracks. I guess if they want the home and the “lifestyle” enough, they will pay the same amount as a house not near a busy street.