Southern California homes sales sink to lowest level in three years

Nov 18th, 2010  
by IrvineRenter  in Library News

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by winstongator
2010-11-18 05:36 AM

Citi re-started the jumbo MBS market back in April  However the weighted average LTV is less than 60%, and DTI’s are also much lower than bubble era levels.  You’re spot-on with this “the problem is that a huge mortgage is difficult to get because people don’t make enough money to qualify.”

I also like your mention of uncertainty in the new home market.  That is real uncertainty.  Whether my tax bill goes up by 1-2k (let expire/extend tax cuts) is not the level of uncertainty that drives major decisions.  I pray that there is something besides new home construction to pull us out of this unemployment situation (the real problem even if we are technically out of recession).

I wonder the degree to which undocumented workers were used in construction, what percentage of those workers that aren’t working anymore have gone back to their home countries.

Astute Observation by Freetrader
2010-11-18 06:56 AM

I wonder what happened here.  They still have equity, in theory, and they haven’t HELOC’d too badly.  Yet it is a short sale.  Maybe this time there really was a ‘family problem’.

Astute Observation by jumpcut
2010-11-18 08:04 AM

“Do any readers currently negotiating with the Irvine Company want to share what incentives they are currently offering?”

I noticed yesterday that the new-home development Santa Barbara at Woodbury has bulldozed their sales office and is putting their final homes on the site.  125 homes were sold in under 4 months, one of the fastest paces in TIC history.  No broker co-op and just minor incentives for going with their in-house lender.

Astute Observation by irvine_home_owner
2010-11-18 10:46 AM

Yes… not many incentives being offered. Maybe on the very few that fall out of escrow in the form of design center credits or broker discounts but it’s not like the good ole days where you can get realtor commission, design center credits AND financing discounts.

P.S. I’m still waiting for IR to tell me if his comment of “no strong demand in Irvine” included new sales numbers.

Astute Observation by tenmagnet
2010-11-18 11:44 AM

Excellent point,
The example of Santa Barbara’s sales success underscores the fact that buyers have a strong appetite for Irvine.
I think that the momentum will continue as TIC launches and rolls out more product.

Astute Observation by jumpcut
2010-11-18 11:58 AM

Not even any tax credits on these homes since they didn’t go on sale until end of June and the first closings were last month.

Astute Observation by in escrow
2010-11-18 03:13 PM

Santa Cruz in woodbury east is offering some Broker co-op and credit toward upgrades if you opt for the california room instead of the conservatory.

Other places in woodbury and woodbury east are not offering any incentives as far as I know.

I am not sure if ‘strong demand in irvine’ is really true or it is just that TIC is very good at judging market conditions/demand and adjusts its inventory accordingly creating a sort of illusion of strong demand. But there is no question that the inventory they have is selling fairly well.

Anyway, I am in escrow for a resale after 7 years of waiting. I don’t know where the market is going but i have taken a reasonable loan and am looking forward to moving in.

Astute Observation by Chris
2010-11-19 12:24 AM

Congrats on your home purchase. Hope you enjoy your new home.

Astute Observation by OC Renter David
2010-11-18 08:25 AM

Question of the day…

I’d say it’s ok to have your house work part time if you’re doing a reverse mortgage and are retired, any other time is probably not worth it.

Astute Observation by awgee
2010-11-18 10:43 AM

30 year Freddie fixed rates are up 22bps in the last week.

10 year treasury is 2.95%, even though the Fed is buying through POMO every day.

People who think the Fed is in control or leads the economy are in for a heck of a surprise.

Astute Observation by wheresthebeef
2010-11-18 04:51 PM

Don’t tell that to Planet Realty, he’s under the impression the Fed can maintain rock bottom rates forever!

Astute Observation by Foreign Cash Buyer
2010-11-18 12:05 PM

The fed is asleep!  Bernanke is being an academic.

Astute Observation by FoolishRenter
2010-11-18 12:06 PM

“Klinge credited those cautious, well-informed consumers as partially to blame for the October sales slowdown….”

Blame the buyer who’s well-informed for the housing mess.  Better bring back the ignorant buyer who’s kept in the dark and fed alot of ....

The Fed are don’t control long-term interest.  By keeping the overnight rate low and pumping in money, they are acting like crack and meth dealers.  Supplying a quick high to get the economy going.  The Japanese used meth to have slave workers work for 3 days with rest.  Crack gives the feeling of invincivality.  But a high price is paid for long-term use. 

Paying rent but could of been squatting.

BTW:  TIC doesn’t have to give incentive because the new houses are properly priced.  New with more ammenaties and below the price of a used house.  TIC required a friend to put down 20%.  Very smart: The HOA can forclouse on squatters with equity.

Astute Observation by FoolishRenter
2010-11-18 12:15 PM

Correction:  the slaves on meth worked 3 days without rest/sleep.

Congress is blaming other countries for the US mess that they, the Fed, business leaders have created.  If Congress wants to fix the economy they should have some real self examination.  The US has build the ecomony on paying down debt using inflated dollars, Ponzi schemes in all industries while selling off competative advantages on the cheap.

The latest house news has housing start in a new free fall.  Joblessness is increasing, while Congress is bailing out the banks to form new mergers and ship jobs overseas.  I can understand shipping jobs to India and Asian for lower cost, but to Western Europe for high cost is over the top.

Astute Observation by jumpcut
2010-11-18 12:15 PM

“TIC doesn’t have to give incentive because the new houses are properly priced.”

Renters from Arizona might choke when they learn that “properly priced” in Irvine means low $600’s for an 1800sf attached product.

http://www.villagesofirvine.com/Villages-and-Residences/Woodbury-Overview.aspx?type=neighborhood&Id=54

Astute Observation by Geotpf
2010-11-18 12:40 PM

This owner from down the freeway in Riverside chokes on that.  I always mention my house, but it’s about that size-but cost me 25% as much, and is an actual house with an actual yard.  (Older, but that means no HOA fees or Mello Roos.)

Astute Observation by tenmagnet
2010-11-18 01:08 PM

Seems like those buying in Irvine, want to be in Irvine.
They’re willing to pay more for location, including MR and HOAs, and forgo other aspects like the big yard, etc..

Astute Observation by Foreign Cash Buyer
2010-11-18 01:50 PM

Real estate is all about location.  You couldn’t pay me to buy in Riverside.

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2010-11-18 01:55 PM

Great point, in Irvine some of the mello roos plus HOA are greater than the mortgage payment on a similar house in Riverside or Las Vegas.

People must really like Irvine.

Hey they are still building in Irvine and those have the greatest mello roos and hoas.

Astute Observation by Irvine Homes for Sale
2010-11-18 04:44 PM

Wow, you never heard of the 3 most important things when buying real estate have you?

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2010-11-18 06:24 PM

This is why I will not move to California for any reason whatsoever.

I could make maybe 15%-20% more money by moving there but cost of living would be a 50% increase.  The “nice weather” is not enough of an incentive.

Astute Observation by Swiller
2010-11-18 07:38 PM

Yes, it’s a tough nut to swallow out here on the cost of housing. I try and get out as much as I can either in my car with the dog, or on my motorcycle, because if I’m paying for the nice weather, I damn well better be OUTSIDE enjoying it. If you stay inside, there’s not much difference between 68-72 degrees in Hawaii and 68-72 degrees in Alaska.

A few years ago when I visited AZ during the summer, my sons shoe actually had started to melt into the asphalt. When I gave it some logical thought, I knew in my heart I never wanted to live in an area where if I locked myself out of the home, I could die of exposure in my own backyard. (Hope that hose bib is working!)

Astute Observation by jb
2010-11-18 01:47 PM

What happened to Irvine inventory this past week? It seems like many properties were pulled off of the market. Does anyone know?

Astute Observation by Irvine Homes for Sale
2010-11-18 04:42 PM

Gee I don’t know, Holidays maybe??

Astute Observation by flyovercountry
2010-11-18 08:28 PM

Most likely holidays are a big factor.  We are in the midst of selling a home in flyover country.  Unfortunately there are some complications with the buyers mortgage.  If it falls through, at this point in time, we may just pull it off the market until the new year.  Who wants to buy or sell between thanksgiving week and New Years day?

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2010-11-18 02:19 PM

I thought it was supposed to be an apocalyptic 1000 by now, an earth shattering-super nova 5 months inventory.

Astute Observation by Irvine Homes for Sale
2010-11-18 04:41 PM

No that will be next year as we get closer to 2012

Astute Observation by Stock Investor
2010-11-18 02:29 PM

IrvineRenter: “Question of the day. If the sustained rate of appreciation is $40,000 a year for your property, and if you have equity at the bottom of the market cycle, is it okay to add $20,000 per year to your mortgage to supplement your spending?”

There are 2 reasons to extract money:
- I see better investment opportunity.
- I have no choice because of emergency.

Sustained rate of appreciation is not one of these reasons. My answer is NO.

Astute Observation by jb
2010-11-18 02:48 PM

I think that the inventory is a bit more “shadowy” than that smile

Astute Observation by flyovercountry
2010-11-18 08:34 PM

I don’t know what kind of interest rate drops the buyer got by doing the first 4 refi’s but it doesn’t look like they kept any of those loans long enough to even recover the transaction costs of the refi’s.

They had some illusionary savings because they probably kept resetting the loan term to 30 years, so it kept stretching out the term.  But they probably p*ssed away $10,000-15,000 in refi costs in those 4 years.

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