Silver and Gold

Nov 27th, 2007   by IrvineRenter  in Flips

Burl IvesSilver and gold, silver and gold
Ev'ryone wishes for silver and gold
How do you measure its worth?
Just by the pleasure it gives here on earth

Silver and gold, silver and gold
Mean so much more when I see
Silver and gold decorations
On ev'ry Christmas tree

Silver and Gold -- Burl Ives

It has been a while since I have come across a truly jaw-dropping WTF listing price. When someone in Turtle Ridge prices that way, it can be written off as a mass delusion from the free-flowing kool aid dispensed in the area, but when someone lists at a ridiculous price in the midst of foreclosures and declining prices... well, that takes a special kind of greed and foolishness. Perhaps the silver and gold they were looking for in Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer is buried in the back yard?

337 Tall Oak Front 337 Tall Oak Kitchen

Asking Price: $1,059,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $264,750

Downpayment Needed: $211,800

Purchase Price: $479,000

Purchase Date: 10/16/2002

Address: 337 Tall Oak, Irvine, CA 92603

1st Loan $401,100
Downpayment $77,900WTF

Beds: 2
Baths: 2.5
Sq. Ft.: 1,800
$/Sq. Ft.: $588
Lot Size: -
Type: Condominium
Style: Spanish
Year Built: 2003
Stories: Three or More Levels
View(s): City Lights, Hills, Mountain, Panoramic, Has View
Area: Quail Hill
County: Orange
MLS#: S512657
Status: Active
On Redfin: 6 days

From Redfin, "This superbly appointed single detached home was customized by a senior exec. w/ the homebuilder. Every detail was considered w/ the goal of making this home not just a notch above the rest, but THE BEST. An entertainer's delight, this designer-inspired home has commanding views, and an innovative flr plan that has every bldr & seller upgrade imaginable, incl. a 2nd fl. deck w/ custom blt-in furniture, stainless Viking BBQ, fully mature garden--the largest in the Ivy Wreath--spa, fountain, & fire ring! "

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Kool Aid Man

So let's put this in context: Quail Hill is getting killed. We have documented REOs (here, here), a group of three bedroom condos priced $350K to $400K less racing to the bottom, and more rollbacks than I can bother to link to (look here), and yet this place has more than doubled in value. Pricing in Quail Hill is falling below the $400 / SF mark and trending lower, but this property is supposed to be worth $588 / SF?

WTF?

I can't fathom the metric they used to come up with this price. It clearly isn't based on comps. Perhaps it is an ego listing, or perhaps they commissioned their realtor for a special rectal extraction.

In fact, that is my challenge for you today: please tell me how someone could possibly arrive at this asking price.

The winner gets a free pitcher of kool aid.

Perhaps it is the $500K view of Quail Hill Boulevard and the apartment lights?

337 Tall Oak View

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by George Tsai
2007-12-02 04:33 PM

$700k top now just because of multiple competing listings now in the market.

A year from now, it most likely will not sell until it is below $550k.

Astute Observation by George Tsai
2007-12-02 04:28 PM

Within a year, rolling back to 2002 prices is highly probable. That means the units will sell $450k-$550k in Dec. 2008.

Astute Observation by tonye
2007-12-01 09:46 PM

Low 800K?  What Kool Aid are you drinking? 

Those places are all going down to Phase 1 pricing and below.

How about 500K if he’s lucky?

Astute Observation by HK
2007-12-01 05:42 PM

Jack, I hadn’t noticed. Oh good.  That was pretty quick. He will have to drop it lots more. But hopefully that means he is willing to drop the price to sell it. Would like to see him move. I’m thinking if he can find the right buyer, he could possibly get low $800,‘s.  Maybe.

Astute Observation by Jack
2007-12-01 05:24 PM

Has anyone noticed it’s down to 975K now?  A good drop, but still a drop in the bucket.  Drop it another 500K please.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2007-11-30 05:46 AM

Hi Cynthia and Jeff.

Yea, I definitely cannot blame you for doing the logical thing.

We had relatives who sold their house in L.A for bubble prices and the moved to Arkansas and bought a huge house with cash and still had enough left over to put in the bank.

I managed to sell my townhouse down in Tucson a couple months before the bubble popped.

Never been to Austin, TX but will be sure to visit sometime!

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2007-11-30 05:42 AM

Genius, funny that you mention that.  I live in Scottsdale.  The house prices here are taking a hit very badly, but it’s about time. 

I am seeing fewer and fewer H2’s on the road as well.  Should tell you something.

When I was apartment hunting a year and a half ago - I had the hardest time because so many of the apartment complexes here were “going condo”.

Supply of apartments dropped and price increased.  My apartment was renting for 200.00 a month less before the house bubble came along.

It hurts everybody even renters.

Astute Observation by ipoplaya
2007-11-29 11:56 AM

I spent a lot of time in Austin when I was closing down an office there… 

The poor people I had to terminate took FOREVER to get jobs.  Had a good experienced accountant that had to start bartending to make the rent until she could find a decent 9-5 accounting gig again.

Boy, that really made me want to move there - NOT!

Astute Observation by JEFF ALBRECHT
2007-11-29 11:42 AM

David:

HOW true your comments ARE!

We moved from San Diego 18 months (took our money & RAN) to Austin, TX!

My wife lived in SoCal for her last 15 years - and when she saw the SIZE of home here - versus Carlsbad - I think she wrote the $ check without even looking back or even telling me!

I was in the Toll Brothers model getting a cookie & a coke…and when I came back - she was shaking the salesman’s hand!

we have 7,004 FEET here, with .50 acres - and base prices are now $415,000 - which is UP from $315,000 when we bought!

we go back and visit San Diego about every 3-4 months for shits & grins….and HOW many of our neighbors are mortgaged up to their EYEBALLS just trying to make a $4,000 - $5,000 mortgage payment; and then have NADA in savings!

UNREAL!

You can get a BRAND NEW KB Home here, of 5,211 feet for $248,000!

ha ha - $48.00 a FOOT her for a BRAND NEW BUILD with 5 bedrooms, 3.50 baths - and still be 20 minutes from downtown Austin!

That is a LOT of trips back home to SoCal - we figured that it is 4.3x MORE there, than it is here!

Come visit Austin!

you will NOT go back!

Cynthia & Jeff

Astute Observation by slacker kate
2007-11-28 03:16 PM

the “checklist” approach to design/marketing (having become one and the same) totally makes sense - it’s the mark of someone who has formed their identity through branding.

Astute Observation by tonye
2007-11-28 01:00 PM

Oh… yes music.

We just saw the St. Petersburg Symphony doing Prokofiev.  They come to OC like every other year.  They used to be called the Leningrad Symphony until sometime in the mid 90s.

My son goes to the bands…

And, there’s only one KROQ with their Weenie Roast.  Try tuning to 106.7 in Austin… you’ll probably get some Mexican station doing ads for swimming lessons on the Rio Grande….  wink

Man… when it comes to music…. SoCal rules….  Don’t start there.

Sometimes, you see, you DO get what you pay for.

Astute Observation by tonye
2007-11-28 12:55 PM

Dude… with all of that land around you, why would you build two stories?  I mean, there’s a lot of land around Austin, it ain’t like you are right next to the Ocean with a ton of illegals in Santa Ana breathing down your neck so you need to build next to each other.

I think they got you bud… the locals saw the Californian coming in and sold you a tiny lot.

Meanwhile the locals got their 20 acre ranches just north of Austin, in the “hill country” with their 10000 sq foot ranch houses, corral, horsies and they only paid like 10 bucks per square foot.

Besides, what’s with the museum piece anyhow?  Real Texans don’t have old Porches..  They have TRUCKS.  BIG TRUCKS.

And they only use TEXAS OIL.  REAL TEXAS OIL.

Jeez…. I just hope you like all that Wonder White Bread with your Texas BBQ.  I could never figure out why they eat White Bread with their BBQ, but I just shut my mouth and eat the beef, chicken and pork and left the carbos for the less “manly” around me.

Oh , yeah, the “hill country”.  If you’ve ever been to Austin you soon notice that those freeway overpasses are the highest points in like 100 miles around.  Flat as a Texas Pancake:  flat and huuuuge.

Astute Observation by tonye
2007-11-28 06:30 AM

My concern about both QH and TRidge is that even Phase 1 was overpriced.  We went to see the model homes on all SFH developments and couldn’t believe the chupzah of the builder.

And people rode the ludicrous Phase 1 price past absurd to bubblelicious as each 8 or 10 home “micro” Phase was released.

IMHO, the prices will drop to Phase 1 and lower.  QH is truly overpriced for its location and TRidge will come to parity with TR.

Astute Observation by tonye
2007-11-28 06:24 AM

You have to live in Austin though.

I’ve been there twice so far.  Nice place.  Huge storms with hail the size of golf balls.

I like it here in Irvine MUCH better.

Astute Observation by JimmyJohnson
2007-11-28 06:19 AM

“Comment by buster
2007-11-27 09:34:13
My guess is the Exec is getting laid off and needs this price to pay off his credit cards, or at least make a dent in them. And buy out the lease of his BMW. And pay back the 401(k) loan he took out before he gets canned and it becomes an early withdrawal. And pay back his parents for the “loan” they gave him.

Buster, I think you are 100% correct.

Astute Observation by JimmyJohnson
2007-11-28 06:17 AM

“Yet if you talk to Eric about prices, he will spew all sorts of crap about how the prices are justified. “

Eric is just trying to blow smoke up your ass to make a comission, just like Robin.

Snicker.

Astute Observation by doug r
2007-11-28 06:03 AM

Like Butthead says “You can’t polish a turd, Beavis”.
Maybe it only has 1800 square feet in our dimension-it’s a portal to other universes.
http://www.scifi.com/scifiction/classics/classics_archive/heinlein/heinlein1.html

Astute Observation by GavriloPrincip
2007-11-28 06:01 AM

Gray:  damn, my cover is blown. 

I say:  I shot the Archduke, but I did not burst the housing bubble…

Astute Observation by Gray
2007-11-28 02:38 AM

Uh, Gavrilo, what are you doing in California? Looking for a new opportunity to mess things up, after many people don’t even remember any more that it was you who almost singlehandedly started WWI? Come on, confess, did you throw the bomb that burst this bubble, too?
:D

Astute Observation by Gray
2007-11-28 02:29 AM

Hmm, the front side is a bit too much ‘american gothic’ to me (hey, you really should get some Amish costumes and a pitchfork to pose for a picture!), but this place is HUUUGE. And the deck with the pool is awesome! Congratulations.

Astute Observation by Gray
2007-11-27 11:42 PM

“this designer-inspired home”
Certainly true. Average people just aren’t able to create such a disaster. Only a real designer, having experience from creating numerous tunnels of horror, can come up with this.
:D

Astute Observation by Gray
2007-11-27 11:35 PM

Uh, sry, but who tf is ‘Fabio’???
Seriously. Maybe a VIP hairdresser?
hmmm

Astute Observation by Gray
2007-11-27 11:30 PM

“Assume they could find one at $4,000, a GRM of 160 puts the value at $640,000.“

Uh, would you want to rent a house that’s on redfin? Yeah, sure, there’s lots of fun in moving on a 14 day notice when the new owner wants to get in…
|-(

(I know that this house getting a new owner soon is unlikely, but, however, as a renter, why take any chances???)

Astute Observation by Lost Cause
2007-11-27 09:57 PM

It has to be worth it. How many houses have their own dungeon?

The laughs alone make this house priceless.

Astute Observation by HK
2007-11-27 09:52 PM

DR Horton.

Astute Observation by Lost Cause
2007-11-27 09:48 PM

Yes: all dolled up and prettied up, just flashing those raw wood banisters at you. But in the end, you will have that same empty feeling and same empty wallet. So do what your momma told you to do, and meet a nice girl at church. Leave that Tall Oak behind, and move on.

Astute Observation by HK
2007-11-27 09:34 PM

I also live in Quail Hill and we love the area. Actually live on Tall Oak! Love all the areas to bike and walk. The parks are really nice. We really like our house but they are very close. We bought in an early phase and have an affordable mortgage so not worried. We figured the prices got way out of control.  It is just crazy to see someone in our subdivision thinking they can sell for a million. But of course, he has the BEST house (in his mind). I think there are 4 of that same floor plan for sale with one being priced at $699,000 (and looks nice from the pics) thru high $700,000’s.  Good luck 337.

Astute Observation by Lost Cause
2007-11-27 09:31 PM

Did you say TROLL BROS? Thought so.

Astute Observation by Lost Cause
2007-11-27 09:26 PM

Really nice house. But how do you put up with those conservative yahoos? Oh wait, that pretty much is an Orange County conversation. Never mind.

Astute Observation by HK
2007-11-27 09:17 PM

I’d say you are correct on that.

Astute Observation by mmg
2007-11-27 08:55 PM

I think I will offer 400k take it or leave it. :mrgreen:

Astute Observation by No_Such_Reality
2007-11-27 07:28 PM

Fire pit.  It’s a built in gas powered fire pit probably stacked with lava rock.

Astute Observation by Trooper
2007-11-27 07:11 PM

All right, I looked through all the pics but no “fire ring”.  WTF is a fire ring ?!

Astute Observation by Trooper
2007-11-27 06:50 PM

CC,

I can’t believe the ‘Tard wrote that !  That is unbelievable.

Astute Observation by Gordon Gecko
2007-11-27 05:50 PM

HAHAHA.  How appropriate…

Thanks rastaman

Astute Observation by rastaman
2007-11-27 05:12 PM

The idiomatic expression, “drinking the Kool-Aid”, was originally a reference to the Merry Pranksters, a group of people associated with novelist Ken Kesey who, in the early 1960s, travelled around the United States and held events called “Acid Tests”, where LSD-laced Kool-Aid was passed out to the public (LSD was legal at that time). Those who drank the “Kool-Aid” passed the “Acid Test”. “Drinking the Kool-Aid” in that context meant accepting the LSD drug culture, and the Pranksters’ “turned on” point of view. These events were described in Tom Wolfe’s 1968 classic, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.[4]

It is also now closely associated with the 1978 cult suicide in Jonestown, Guyana. Jim Jones, the leader of the Peoples Temple, convinced his followers to move to Jonestown. Late in the year, he then ordered his flock to commit suicide by drinking grape-flavored Flavor Aid laced with potassium cyanide. In what is now commonly called the “Jonestown Massacre,“ a large majority of the 913 people later found dead drank the brew. (The discrepancy between the idiom and the actual occurrence is likely due to Flavor Aid’s relative obscurity, compared to the easily recognizable Kool-Aid.) The precise expression can be attested in usage at least as early as 1987[4]. One lasting legacy of the Jonestown tragedy is the saying, “Don’t drink the Kool-Aid.“ This has come to mean, “Don’t trust any group you find to be a little on the kooky side,“ or “Whatever they tell you, don’t believe it too strongly.“[5] It seems to be in this sense that commentator Bill O’Reilly uses the expression. He calls those who disagree with him “Kool-Aid drinkers” when he wants to imply that they accept an incorrect point of view without question, or that they have no understanding of the facts or reality of a situation. [6]

Astute Observation by Gordon Gecko
2007-11-27 04:06 PM

I’m new here and love this blog.

What’s the significance of Kool-Aid?

Astute Observation by mikey
2007-11-27 03:52 PM

My my.  A “senior exec”. thats worth another 500k.  How much for the junior exec?

Astute Observation by lendingmaestro
2007-11-27 03:08 PM

Quail Hill is actually a very nice place to live, if you aren’t enslaved with a mortgage.  The buildings are all new, I’ve got two large fenced in acreages that my dog can play in at the Alderwood Basics school.  I can walk to 2 impeccably maintained baseball fields.  There are lots of bike trails and hiking trails.  A few seconds to the 405, but the smog usually blows the other way.

Astute Observation by CK
2007-11-27 02:54 PM

That’s great, Jeff.  All of us back here are very happy that you are so proud of yourself.  Looking at your website and reading your 3 posts today, it would appear your ego is a good match for Texas.  Everything is bigger there, right?  How’s that mortgage broker thing working out in TX?  What’s the commission on a $90k home loan?  I’m curious as to home many loans you need to write to cover your AC bill on a 7,000 sq ft house in August?  Oh, sorry—- you don’t need to run the AC because you are lounging at the pool.  You were so discrete about the fact that you have a pool on your website, I hardly noticed it.

BTW - Love the picture of that 928.  Have not seen one of those since Tom Cruise drove it off the pier into Lake Michigan.  Thought they retired all those POS’s out to the scrap heap already.

Astute Observation by No_Such_Reality
2007-11-27 02:17 PM

I think most landlords will tell you that qualified renters above $2500 thin out quite quickly.  Over $3500, the word sparse applies as they largely have their pick of functional housing in Irvine and OC.

Astute Observation by GavriloPrincip
2007-11-27 02:05 PM

Robin and Eric Fenchel’s listings always seem to be overpriced.  Yet if you talk to Eric about prices, he will spew all sorts of crap about how the prices are justified.  The sellers must be listening.  It seems the buyers aren’t getting the memo, though.

Astute Observation by GavriloPrincip
2007-11-27 02:02 PM

Interesting that there are no tenants even at $4300.  There are a lot of houses for rent in Quail Hill and Turtle Ridge between $4500 and $7000.  Every one is much smaller than 5500 square foot 38 Silhouette, and not nearly as nice.  Yet 38 Silhouette is not renting.  Neither are the others.  I take this to mean that there are simply very few renters who will pay $4000 + to rent in Irvine. 

This also suggests that using a GRM of 160 times rent will still produce a figure higher than what the market will bear, if the “rent” variable in the multiplier is an asking rent that nobody will pay.  (Kind of like a wishing price.)

Astute Observation by donthaveaclue
2007-11-27 01:43 PM

its fine trashing QH.. i dont like the look of those houses.. the color combo is crap.. and it looks like its in the desert..and its deserted from IRvine.. it shouldn’t even come under irvine.. should be another suburb!..
but..for argument sake.. shouldnt we have some qh people defending it???..

Astute Observation by ice weasel
2007-11-27 01:43 PM

Pete may have hit on something I thought as well.

As for Texas, Hunter Thompson may have said it best, “Feel cheated?  Go to Texas.“

As for the listing itself, IR you have outdone yourself.  That listing may qualify as the wordiest and best illustrated definition of the appellation, “nouveau riche” as any in existence.

Other than that, I’m mostly speechless.

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2007-11-27 01:29 PM

No takers at $4,300. Assume they could find one at $4,000, a GRM of 160 puts the value at $640,000.

Astute Observation by Mertland408
2007-11-27 01:25 PM

What a joke!! This homeowner is in the wrong holiday season. It’s not April Fools’ Day!!

Astute Observation by Pete
2007-11-27 01:01 PM

Fom the pictures, I’d say that no women ever lived/stayed there.

Astute Observation by Irivne Soul Brother
2007-11-27 12:31 PM

Robin Fenchel is the seller’s agent. If you’ve ever talked to her, you know that she’s a total genius, so I’m sure they’ll be able to sell it for something in the 7 figures. Who knows? Maybe higher!

Astute Observation by Irivne Soul Brother
2007-11-27 12:26 PM

http://www.redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1195866

Or. . . you could pay the same and get a bigger place (over 2100 sqft) in Newport Coast. But who wants that crap, anyway! It’s all about Quail Hill and the asphalt view!

Astute Observation by GavriloPrincip
2007-11-27 12:10 PM

38 Silhouette has been on the market for a long time.  It was bought new by flippers in 2005 AND IT HAS NEVER BEEN LIVED IN!!  They were trying to sell it last Spring for about $2.7 million, then brought the price down to $2.3 million, and now they’re below $2 million. 

I think the purchase price was about $1.8m in 2005, so the $1.9 figure is probably just to get them out for what they paid, after factoring in commissions.  This does not could the cash they’ve bled by paying $15-20k each month for over two years.  Ouch. 

Also, they were trying to rent it at the end of the summer, starting at around $7k.  They eventually dropped the price as low as $4300, but I don’t know if they found a tenant. 

All-in-all, this flipper is in a world of pain.

Astute Observation by JEFF ALBRECHT
2007-11-27 11:52 AM

we did have a guy here in Austin, include his $160,000 Ferrari with the sale of his home!

http://windsorcaplakeway.blogspot.com/

base on this Toll Brother’s Home is now up from $300k to $415k - and this is for a 3,500 BRAND NEW TOLL BROS HOME to boot!

this way - we can fly back WHENEVER we want to for $200 bucks, or drive and stay for a week with friends!

We’re NOT a slave to an $800,000 mortgage - ad for WHAT too!

Ciao’ - I gotta clean the pool on my half-acre HOUSE that costs HALF of what this CONDO costs!

LMAO!

ha ha ha


Us

Astute Observation by JEFF ALBRECHT
2007-11-27 11:49 AM

classic!

I love it!

http://windsorcaplakeway.blogspot.com/

check out this - we moved from San Diego to Austin last summer!

we did the math - it is 5x MORE there than here!

LMAO!


Us

Astute Observation by JEFF ALBRECHT
2007-11-27 11:48 AM

OMYGAWD?!?!@#$%^&!*!*!*(!(!

We are SOOOooo glad that we left the SoCal market and moved to Austin, TX!

We even added on to our Toll Brother’s home and got a full basement for $18.00 a FOOT!

YEP - you read that right = $18.00 a foot!

So now we have a 7,004 foot home for 20% of what it was there!

Now, I am not a huge KB Home fan - but you can get a 5,211 foot home here in Austin, for $250,000!

HOW can they even build that for $48.00 a FOOT AND it
be a brand NEW home on top of that!

HERE - check out these blog pictures here!

We did the MATH - it was 4.3x MORE there than here!

http://windsorcaplakeway.blogspot.com/

Like y’all said = WTF?!?!??!?!?!?!?

If y’all wanna come check out Austin - we think you will LOVE Austin!

The Live Music rocks here too!


Cynthia & Jeff

Astute Observation by Lost Cause
2007-11-27 11:40 AM

Ohhh, now I get it…this is 2010 pricing, early.

Astute Observation by Mike
2007-11-27 11:37 AM

Stupid,

That’s a nice house.

Astute Observation by Zileas
2007-11-27 11:37 AM

ZOMG, I think they are using the crack pipe method of valuation.  WTF, nice find!

Astute Observation by Mike
2007-11-27 11:31 AM

I’m sure there is an opportunity to win money in Las Vegas as well. But Vegas wasn’t build on winners.

Astute Observation by DR. BOOTY GRABBER
2007-11-27 11:27 AM

Agree with NO_SUCH_REALITY.If they find an idiot willing meet the price- fine.If not…corporate will swallow it .

@EvaLSeraphim…I’ve recently toured some of the “high-end bordellos”
that dot the upscale apt/condo complexes of Orange County.Please refrain from insulting the bordellos with your comparison.

Astute Observation by tonye
2007-11-27 10:52 AM

Jeez…..

$800k + $640 min bonus + bennies up the ying yang… and the this:

“We also have an understanding that use of the corporate plane will be made available per your conversation with me, assuming availability not in conflict with your schedule.  “

No wonder this country is going down to pot so fast.  We got too many people who don’t add much to the GNP but suck up all the wealth.

I wonder if this EGOmaniac will ever grace a middle seat in the economy cabin of a 737?  You know?  12B or 21E?

Astute Observation by Mike
2007-11-27 10:23 AM

“this designer-inspired home” Are you kidding me? I’m a professional designer and all I have to say about they way that place was…… hold on, hold on…...……..………... I feel better now, I just had to puke a little bit.

Astute Observation by Genius
2007-11-27 10:17 AM

The majority of everything within 15 miles of the coast in California is VASTLY overpriced.  It seems even the people who read and post here think Cali demands a massive premium, because it’s so fantastic.  Other than the weather, I can’t honestly imagine why anyone would stay here with these prices.  I’m stuck here because of what I do for a living and the fact that I got addicted to surfing; don’t believe the people that tell you socal is the finest place in the nation, because it isn’t.

I was just out in AZ visiting family over TGiving.  I feel really bad for the people who bought in ‘05 or ‘06.  Somebody right up the street from my parents will lose about 50%, or more if they don’t get their asking price.  Lots of carnage all over Scottsdale too.

Astute Observation by Cal's Caddy
2007-11-27 10:14 AM

In the early stages of this most recent bubble (2001), I experienced what tonye describes in the last paragraph. I made an almost full price offer on a condo in Tustin Ranch and received a brusque reception from the Realtor. He used a Sharpie to write over my offer, “Rejected! Only offers over listing price will be shown to the seller.“ And faxed it back. Of course, it was not the paragon we see here in Quail Hill, but rather backed to Tustin Ranch road. The mentality appears to be consistent. Thanks for the great read.

Astute Observation by lendingmaestro
2007-11-27 09:59 AM

They should put a large scarecrow outside holding a sign that says “straw-buyers welcome.“

Astute Observation by OiCu812
2007-11-27 09:56 AM

Another great Burl Ives classic and another great WTF price. Keep up the great work IR. Thanks.

Astute Observation by no_vaseline
2007-11-27 09:34 AM

Somebody pick up the phone and call the realtor and ask what the real deal is.

There might be 500K in neatly packaged bundles waiting in a closet or something.

Astute Observation by squareround
2007-11-27 09:28 AM

Irvinerenter,

Where is backyard for this condo to bury treasure?

Astute Observation by Stupid
2007-11-27 09:17 AM

Oh, being a senior exec can be sweet.
(Unrelated link for a relo package below, not the homeowner in IR’s article)

http://www.secinfo.com/dRX7g.212d.9.htm

“Future ops on sale of New Jersey house inure to my benefit, downside market risk to be borne by Fairfax. “

Astute Observation by Stupid
2007-11-27 08:59 AM

BTW - IR - (off topic, not a comp here, but interesting) have you seen this listing in Quail Hill yet?

http://redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1293017

Price: $1,975,000
Redfin Savings: $39,500*
38 SILHOUETTE
Irvine, CA 92603
Beds:  4
Baths:  4
Sq. Ft.:  5,500
$/Sq. Ft.: $359
Lot Size:  7,000 sq. ft. 
Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Spanish
Year Built: 2005
Stories: Two Levels
View(s): City Lights, Hills, Mountain, Panoramic, Park or Green Belt
Area: Quail Hill
County: Orange
MLS#: S512844
Status: Active
On Redfin: 12 days

Astute Observation by houseonlegs
2007-11-27 08:59 AM

Yeah, thats it, lets pay property taxes on $400,000 in wine for the next 30 years. This realtor is stupid to think that people will pay that much more just because the home is so called “upgraded.“

Astute Observation by Stupid
2007-11-27 08:56 AM

The “smaller” was a typo - see correction above.
Main point is that Stepping Stone has a very different feel from Tall Oak when you walk though it.  Stepping Stone is cramped, hardly any vegetation compared to the Tall Oak area. 

I agree though, $1 million is way too much, esp. compared to the $589,000 for 111 Tall Oak ($367 sq. ft) nearby.

Astute Observation by buster
2007-11-27 08:34 AM

My guess is the Exec is getting laid off and needs this price to pay off his credit cards, or at least make a dent in them.  And buy out the lease of his BMW.  And pay back the 401(k) loan he took out before he gets canned and it becomes an early withdrawal.  And pay back his parents for the “loan” they gave him. 

Best way to bring them back to reality, let’s figure out when the open house is being held.  Then we march in and make offers between $450,000 and $475,000, just like it’s worth.  Oh, but make sure you put a “seller paid kitchen remodel and appliance upgrade” in the contract.  And if it is a corporate relocation, the Realtard will be obligated to inform the corporate relo department of the offering prices.

Astute Observation by tenmagnet
2007-11-27 08:26 AM

Yeah, I agree who cares that the home was customized by a senior exec. Is that supposed to legitimize the outrageous asking price. The dining room lined with wine bottles is tacky and what about the naked male pictures in the office. Wow! That will really impress the ladies. Personally, he should have went with Da Vinci’s Vitruvian man. It’s worked wonders in my place as conversation starter. Right next to it, is a picture I had taken of me with Fabio, that’s the real ice breaker. Like a one-two punch.

Astute Observation by GrewUpInIrvine
2007-11-27 08:26 AM

Is this for real?  Maybe I should leave a copy of this blog in his mail box, Christmas stocking, etc… if we could only wire these WTF properties for sound.  How great would that be?  Oh, the apoplexy!

Astute Observation by EvaLSeraphim
2007-11-27 08:21 AM

Well done, Tony.  Personally, I think it looks like a high end brothel (if I knew what such a thing actually looked like).  Since that home in Northpark was sold, I wonder where Sakae Escort service is running now?  If you think I’m kidding, go here:  http://tinyurl.com/357pn6.

Astute Observation by Priced_out_it_guy
2007-11-27 08:10 AM

ROTFLMFAO!

That is so true…so sadly true…

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2007-11-27 08:05 AM

The other units may be smaller, but they have a third bedroom. This is only a two-bedroom unit this seller wants more than $1M for.

Astute Observation by Stupid
2007-11-27 08:01 AM

typo: =“oven” not “over”

Astute Observation by NanoWest
2007-11-27 08:01 AM

Mr. Prime,

These places will be selling in the $220 per square foot range in 3 years…..that puts this place at just under $400,000. This is a starter condo for a professional that makes an above average income. Given the initial pricing here, this place may be on the market for 3 or 4 years.

My congratulations are in order to the realtor that listed this house at this price….you are living proof that forest was right….stupid is as stupid does.

WTF

Astute Observation by Stupid
2007-11-27 07:58 AM

Interesting choice of kitchen cabinets.  Are they upgraded?  They look similar to the ones in my IAC rental apartment (or at least used to before I turned the over up to 450F and the edges of my drawers next to the over melted a little).

Astute Observation by No_Such_Reality
2007-11-27 07:56 AM

My guess, the Exec is getting relocated.  Hence his corporate induced shag pad is up for sale at an insane price and when it doesn’t sell in 90 days, corporate relocation will eat it and pay him for it.

IMHO, that’s the most tasteless interior I’ve seen blogged.

Astute Observation by Land of Delusion
2007-11-27 07:51 AM

“Every detail was considered…“

Well, every detail but those horrendous 70s style stair railings.  Yikes. 

And they are so prominently featured in the pictures!

Ah, maybe they were imported from a 17th century chateau.

Astute Observation by Dan
2007-11-27 07:50 AM

I’m not surprised by the asking price given the garish interior. Goodness…

Astute Observation by tonye
2007-11-27 07:48 AM

This is an executive of a builder.

Marketing.

Image.

Leased.

In two years…. it will be a Yugo.

Would you like fries with that burger?

Astute Observation by awgee
2007-11-27 07:45 AM

I have no words to express my lack of comprehension of the asking price.  Why would a realtor take a listing like this?

Astute Observation by Stupid
2007-11-27 07:43 AM

Typo: replace “those units are smaller” with “those units are in a less nice area of Quail Hill” in the post above

Astute Observation by Stupid
2007-11-27 07:41 AM

Your linked comps over at Stepping Stone aren’t really an apples to apples comparison as those units are smaller.  However, this listing of a 3 br/3.5 ba in Tall Oak, is.

http://redfin.com/stingray/do/printable-listing?listing-id=1176377

Price: $589,000
Redfin Savings: $11,780*
111 Tall Oak
Irvine, CA 92603
Beds:  3
Baths:  3.5
Sq. Ft.:  1,607
$/Sq. Ft.: $367
Lot Size:  - 
Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary/Modern
Year Built: 2004
Stories: Three or More Levels
Area: Quail Hill
County: Orange
MLS#: S507462
Status: Active
On Redfin: 57 days
Detached condo, most popular floor plan. Granite counter top, shutter, berber carpet, wood flooring, stainless appliances, new paint courtyard location, move in ready.

Astute Observation by lendingmaestro
2007-11-27 07:38 AM

I guarantee you, I guaran-damn-tee you there is 7 series BMW and/or a s500 class or higher mercedes in the garage.

Astute Observation by Chrissy
2007-11-27 07:29 AM

That’s how they arrived at their price:

The wine in the bottles is an EXTREMELY rare and expensive vintage, alone it’s worth $400,000, and it’s included in the sale!

Or maybe it’s just the koolaid in those wine bottles….

Astute Observation by tonye
2007-11-27 07:24 AM

Read carefully.  It says “Viking BBQ”..... the interior of the kitchen looks like an Irvine Co. apartment.

Astute Observation by Don Brown
2007-11-27 07:09 AM

Whoa! A lot of whining comments here…. I think you need to get over it. This housing swing comes every 10 years or so and if you think this is the end of the world in O.C. you have a short short memory (or were born after 1980).
History repeats itself, not the first, won’t be the last. There is opportunity in every situation.

O.C. from afar.

Astute Observation by argus
2007-11-27 07:04 AM

what strikes me looking at the kitchen is yech! BUT it has all the boxes checked off: granite: check, viking: check, the whole house sounds like that. easiest ad the realtor ever wrote, so i was not surprised that a building exec lived in the home, it was built to check all the boxes in a real estate brochure - not nec. to live in

does that make any sense?

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2007-11-27 06:49 AM

LOL! Well done.

Astute Observation by tonye
2007-11-27 06:42 AM

Dear Renter.

It’s is clear to me that you have no clue about the nature of this abode.

It has been designed exclusively after Austin Power’s Shag Pad in a contemporary 21st century fashion.  It blends traditional California ( vide the fancy stuff on the walls and the Etruscan furniture ) with the owner’s classy education at a private university while taking his marketing degree (note the novel wine bottle crown molding…. at privateU he only drank Heineken).

Note too the combination of 1960s motifs ( suede, browns, purple ) with the 21st century design (flat panel TV) and traditional (dining room table patterned after Torquemada’s work desk).  This is an astounding palette that clearly undescores the owner’s timeless taste and classic elegance.

This fine domicile is also blessed with a large Viking BBQ sporting a unique “"Hilton like” pedestal.  Never you mind the cheap GE appliances inside.  No one ever cooks in a Shag Pad.  So long as there is a bar in tje dining room, close to all that wine BTW, and an outdoor BBQ we have all that is required to hold a fine bacchanalia with a few chicks and a couple of buddies from the old alma matter.

Pricing wise it is simply obvious that you are clueless.  The gentleman who owns this fine town home is a senior executive