Open Thread 12-13-2008

Dec 13th, 2008  
by IrvineRenter  in News

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by asianinvasian
2008-12-13 09:36 AM

It’s only a matter of time.  How many years have you been saying that now?  A broken watch is right twice a day.

Astute Observation by george8
2008-12-13 09:44 AM

This mansion is overpriced at $8 million let alone $18 million in today’s market.

Let it sit and rot.

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2008-12-13 11:29 AM

“A broken watch is right twice a day.”

If I were wrong, you would not be coming here to vent your anger about overpaying for your house and watching its value consistently decline.

Astute Observation by Barren_Irvine
2008-12-13 12:16 PM

I would rather say its only a matter of one or two year that everything resets itself.  I hope that gives you a good idea where things are right now and where they are heading.

Astute Observation by dafox
2008-12-13 09:41 AM

Maybe this realtor can help get this place moving (please note the pictures)
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Riverside/10347-Pendleton-St-92505/home/4784836
props to DrHB for this find

Astute Observation by SnowKat
2008-12-13 11:09 AM

Is there ‘something’ floating in that toilet?! big surprise

Between the floater in the toilet & the boarded up windows, I feel this property is worth every penny.  HAHAHAHAHA

Astute Observation by LC
2008-12-13 09:49 PM

Goodey! It’s right next to Hole Street.

Astute Observation by Zulu
2008-12-13 10:15 AM

Actually, if it weren’t for the large number spec homes that were built prior to the housing bust, I don’t think Shady would be different than any other neighborhood.

The rich do tend to move around a bit more than others - maybe it is because they can, or maybe it is because they are always a bit dissatisfied with the status quo (which is usually part of the reason they are rich in the first place).

Houses that were listed in the $7 million range have now dropped into the low and mid-$5’s. There is one a new 7,000 sf Santa Barbara just started on Boulder View which is now at $4.995m. Considering the size of the home and location, especially when you consider the alternatives in dense-pack neighborhoods like Turtle Ridge or Newport Coast at around the same price, it doesn’t seem like Shady is overpriced.

However, with regard to the home you featured - yes $18.5 million dollars is ridiculous. It was probably built for less than half that, and the owner is clearly out of touch.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2008-12-13 10:19 AM

Here is a house warming present.  I think it will go quite well in the fancy-pants parlor room.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2008-12-13 10:49 AM

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2008-12-13 11:31 AM

It is hard to tell which elements you added, and which ones were part of the original photo. Well done.

Astute Observation by Robert
2008-12-13 11:47 AM

I really don’t ask much from this site but..

I’d still really like to see my stripper pole

Astute Observation by Priced_Out_IT_Guy
2008-12-14 01:18 PM

ROFLMFAO

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2008-12-13 10:55 AM

I think that this is my favorite room so far of any property you have ever profiled.  Hands down hilarious to think of someone actually living in a Gulag like this.

Fantastic find.  Thanks for the laughs.

Astute Observation by 26w100k+
2008-12-15 11:31 AM

You are going to be shocked, but I agree.  Finally, THIS is when you can say “they couldn’t pay me to live in this place”, because I’ve never seen something so ugly!

There are houses on redfin in Shady that *look* they could at least be worth 5-6 million dollars (though it could be the cool photography and the lighting), but this thing looks like trash.

Astute Observation by alan
2008-12-13 11:00 AM

If I’m reading redfin right, these flippers paid $2.8 mil for the property in 03 and spent another $3 mil building this palace on it for a total investment of $6 mil.

If they get their asking price, it would be a profit of $13 mil.

That would be a nice payday!

I think “Dream On” would have been a better song choice for this one.

Astute Observation by Barren_Irvine
2008-12-13 12:21 PM

I wonder how much insurance the owner has to pay for such a property?  By the look of the area it looks to be on a very fire prone area.  Oh well, glad I am not that rich!!!

Astute Observation by Zulu
2008-12-13 11:34 AM

Too funny! I particularly like the “city lights view” of the Emerald City. Is that Irvine? Who is the real estate agent behind the curtain?

Astute Observation by periclimenes
2008-12-13 12:32 PM

Can somebody explain to me why this would be a bad idea (or maybe it wouldn’t be):

Instead of readjusting the principal of mortgages to help people who paid to much for their houses, why don’t banks look at what monthly payment the owners can actually make and then re-amortize the loan over whatever period it would take to make the payments the right size.  For example, if someone signed on to pay $700,000 for a condo, but can only afford to pay $1500 a month for a mortgage, it might turn their 30 year loan into an 80 year loan.  Nobody gets kicked out of their house, and people are held accountable to what they agreed to pay.

Am I missing something?

Astute Observation by Chris
2008-12-13 01:03 PM

$700k for a condo? It better be right next to Lincoln Center or can get there within 10 minutes by subway.

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2008-12-13 01:11 PM

The reason this will not work is because people cannot even afford the interest-only payment on the property. Many who are defaulting now cannot even afford the negative amortization payment they are making on their Option ARMs.

Astute Observation by freedomCM
2008-12-13 10:55 PM

$700k @ 5% interest is $35k/yr of interest.

that’s almost $3k/month.

if they can only afford $1500/month, the math she doesn’t work captain!

it only works at a teaser interest rate of say 2.5% for an IO loan, no amortization.

Astute Observation by doug r
2008-12-14 11:10 PM

If they can’t afford a 30 year at 6%, then they never should have bought the house.

Astute Observation by Eeek
2008-12-14 12:08 AM

in your example, the bank would need to change the interest rate to something 2.57% or less for the loan to EVER be paid off. At 2.57% interest rate (by my unchecked calculations) the loan pays off in just under 292 years. Seems a bit long for the bank to have to wait.

Also, the 1500 has to go to P&I and they’ll have to pay anything else on top of that. Mello Roos, if any, taxes, insurance, maintenance (and a heck of a lot of it for 292 years of wear and tear) and all the other little details and expenses that make owning homes such a delight.

If the bank sets interest to 2.5%, of course, it gets paid off much sooner (144 years or so, I think).

For an 80 year payout, the interest rate is about 2.08%

Even if the bank changes it to 1% interest the payoff still takes almost 50 years.

Finally, if the bank is willing to really bite the bullet, the loan pays off at 0% interest in just under 39 years.

Astute Observation by No_Such_Reality
2008-12-14 11:54 AM

If the squatter can only afford $1500, why would we as a society even want to help them stay in a $700,000 condo?

Astute Observation by Mikee
2008-12-16 10:35 AM

That’s what they do over in Europe.  They give out 50 or 80 year loans at a low interest rate.
Of course here, they buy a home and pass it on to the next generation.  They also don’t allow houses to be built unless the population really grows.
In the area I’m in, I was wondering how people afford the housing.  I pay 2,400 for a 4/2.5 with 2,700 SF.  It would sell for 800K at least.  I was trying to the math, and then someone told me about the mortgage terms here. 
It’s all relative I guess.

Astute Observation by Chris
2008-12-13 01:06 PM

$18 million dollar house profile is not what an average person visiting your site would care about, IR.

We’re not all Hannah Montanas, ya know grin

So suffice to say that my previous comment yesterday is starting to take hold. Ipoplay must be gleeful right now….

Oh well :-(

Astute Observation by Equitymind
2008-12-13 01:14 PM

This is a celebrity owned home by a former professional baseball player.

Astute Observation by Chris
2008-12-13 05:04 PM

Let me guess: Mark McGwire.

Astute Observation by Equitymind
2008-12-13 05:46 PM

Close, his is on Golden Eagle, down the hill and on the golf course and on a two lot site.  This is also a two lot site and a virtual compound and extremely private but belongs to a former Dodger.

Astute Observation by Irvine_Lurker
2008-12-13 06:13 PM

Shawn Green?

Astute Observation by oc bear
2008-12-13 05:40 PM

If you don’t mind a little drive south and a “savings” of 3Mil you will find something a little more appropriate. I’m sure this is a spec home that had the average housewife of OC in mind.

http://www.paseoelegancia.com/template/site/index.php?siteno=47

Astute Observation by tonyE
2008-12-13 06:47 PM

I wonder who this home is being marketed to anyhow. 

IMHO, the owner of an $18M, 15K sq foot house won’t give much of a rat’s ass about visiting the kitchen ‘cause he’d better have a cook and some help.

OTOH, the underground, err… dungeon, would be very useful to whip the chef when the souffle is not puffy enough, or when the tenants in Newport Beach fall in arrears and need some re-education.

Seriously, a lot of these homes represent a “nouveau rich” attitude.  They still reflect a lower upper/high middle class lifestyle and hence are difficult to sell.  After all, for a house this large, I don’t really want to see the kitchen, the laundry room nor the “operations” parts of the house.  I just want my office, my toys and the ability to cook and BBQ if I feel like it. 

Otherwise, I would want an industrial quality kitchen and food storage so my chef can prepare “tournados de beauf au cognac et champignons” whenever I feel like it.

Also, I don’t see a proper library/smoking room…  nouveau rich indeed.

Astute Observation by Major Schadenfreude
2008-12-13 07:25 PM

Nice video clip.

If you like it, watch this 3-part one by Alan Watts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aufuwMiKmE

Astute Observation by cosmo kramer
2008-12-14 10:48 AM

Is there much shade in shady canyon?  LOoks kinda bleak; the deal on the other hand certainly conforms to the definition.

Is that Amish recycled barn siding on the interior?  Nice touch.

Astute Observation by Priced_Out_IT_Guy
2008-12-14 01:25 PM

I’m not sure why anyone would blow this much cash in Shady. I’d rather get an oceanfront home on the coast or a spectacular view in a private community in Laguna or Newport. More temperate weather and your changes of getting on MTV are much much higher.

Astute Observation by Zulu
2008-12-15 12:10 PM

It seems everyone else agrees with you, since no one has stepped up to the plate to buy.

Astute Observation by Dan
2008-12-14 08:07 PM

The video is a bit weird, but I like that Loanzen site.  At least if they start to get a lot of users.

Astute Observation by tlc8386
2008-12-14 09:24 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/12/60minutes/main4666112.shtml


60 minutes tonight

Astute Observation by .
2008-12-14 09:54 PM

I’m curious about the “the surrounding vineyard provides two barrels of wine at harvest”.  Where can I sample some of this wine?  Do you think they will offer weekend wine-tasting events?

I never knew that Irvine was a prime grape growing region.  The Irvine Company really missed out on this.  They could have turned the hills of Shady Canyon into the next Napa.

Astute Observation by tlc8386
2008-12-15 02:12 PM

The Irvine Company would rather turn all of Irvine into apartments—one big apt. complex—disgusting—

I have never seen more apts. in one city except NY. Maybe they thought they could be NY City—-LOL

And now what will Irvine sell, produce—JOBS??

Anything would have been nicer than apt. complexes

Astute Observation by John-John
2008-12-14 11:04 PM

The Loanzen site looks kind of cool. I see how this could be super helpful if more people used it.

The Shady house is a joke. Never, ever, will it see anything close to that LP. Then again in the future bubble of 2067 maybe.

Astute Observation by doug r
2008-12-14 11:20 PM

“Nearby Similar Sales
No similar recent past sales could be found.”

Says it all, doesn’t it?

Astute Observation by momopi
2008-12-15 12:36 PM

The decor of this place is a little over the top.

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