OCAr capitulates: IrvineRenter wins epic victory for free speech

Jul 25th, 2011  
by IrvineRenter  in Library News

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by awgee
2011-07-25 05:20 AM

Where’s Bill?

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-07-25 06:02 AM

Bill and PR must be stunned

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-07-25 07:50 AM

Hey PR -

How did that double secret probation theory work out?

I got quite the kick out of going back and reading your prediction of doom for the IHB with OCAR “taking out” Shevy and making an example out of him to kill the business side of the house.

Scary stuff!

IrvineRenter, it must feel good to have stood your ground and won the day when panzies like PR were telling you how foolish you were for not bending over like a bit[s]h and keeping on the “straight and narrow”.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-07-25 06:05 AM

use your smaller home, custom lot, or investment properties as down payment

First time buyers need not apply.

Astute Observation by Oil Can
2011-07-25 07:01 AM

Congrats!!!

Astute Observation by John Baker
2011-07-25 07:12 AM

Hilarious!

Your blog is simply one of the best on the entire web. It’s the only one that has saved me thousands of dollars by disabusing me of the dangerous and expensive notion that “home prices always go up.” I bailed on housing before the crash and I am sitting on my cash waiting for the Obama economic nightmare to end and real estate to absolutely bottom. Keep up the good work. If we can’t laugh at idiots what’s the point of it all?

Astute Observation by John S
2011-07-25 07:39 AM

Congratulations on your victory and for standing up for you rights!

Astute Observation by Tom in San Diego
2011-07-25 07:41 AM

Larry, congratulations on your victory.  To me it was a victory against the trolls who filed the suit against you, but more importantly a victory against realtor b.s. everywhere.  I enjoyed your childhood story and applaud you for taking the road less traveled.  - Tom in San Diego

P.S.  We could use a blog like this down here in San Dog…

Astute Observation by irvine_home_owner
2011-07-25 07:54 AM

I’ve been meaning to ask this but are the minor changes I’ve been noticing in the property listing section somewhat related to the dismissed grievance?

The things like:

“On Redfin”

and

“Proprietary IHB commentary and analysis”

Astute Observation by Casual Observer
2011-07-25 08:04 AM

Keep up the great work.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-07-25 08:37 AM

These kinds of sellers are my favorite.  They are basically playing the make me move game while assuming that any potential buyer will be too ignorant as to bother looking at the history of this place floundering on the market like a fish out of water.

At some point one has to ask themselves when it is time to move on with their life.  If you want to sell it then keep slashing the price until it finds a buyer and quit wasting the time of buyers who shouldn’t be siftingthrough a bunch of houses for sale by delusional sellers who cannot accept the reality of the market.

There is a seller like this in the neighborhood I am watching.  They are playing the exact same game with the listing.  Add 100K then drop 10K per month for 10 months, rinse, lather, and repeat.  Going 3 years now.  The sign in the front yard is rotting and faded and leaning hard like it is about to fall over.  I keep wondering why the HOA doesn’t make them at least straighten up the sign.  I would be pissed off if my neighbor had a for-sale sign in the yard for 3 years.  Why not add some Flamingo lawn ornaments while at it?  Or leave the over-sized candy cane’s out in the front all year round?

Clearly, the seller does not want to just “give it away” and rightfully so.  I mean they paid 120K for it in the 90’s and they are entitled to sell it for 400K after 20 years of dropping golden turds in it.  You don’t want some prick of a buyer to lowball you at 250K and net you a peasant’s 130K profit.  No sir, keep holding out.  Your fantasy buyer is on the way.

Astute Observation by commenter_xyz
2011-07-26 08:43 AM

Seriously, why haven’t any HOAs figured it out yet? They would jump down your throat if you were a small business owner that parked a work truck on the lawn, but having a “For Sale” sign out for years is no problem.

$100/month for displaying any “For Sale” sign.
$500/month for an agent-occupied home displaying their own sign.
$500 open house fee.

Astute Observation by Mark
2011-07-25 08:37 AM

Congratulations.

I still think that the OCAR made a mistake and owes you a written apology

Astute Observation by jb
2011-07-25 10:59 AM

My guess is that the people who do this type of thing aren’t capable of apologizing.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-07-25 08:54 AM

Peak buyer

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2011-07-25 09:28 AM

Thanks. I will use that one. Check out the updated post.

Astute Observation by Honcho
2011-07-25 09:37 AM

Slow clap…

Astute Observation by octal77
2011-07-25 09:46 AM

Irvine Renter

Congrats on your legal victory.

I have always found it interesting that professional groups (ie OCAR), wouldn’t in fact *embrace* blogs like yours and use it as a source of competitive, cutting edge business intelligence.

After all, the price is sure right, not to mention that your postings and follow on astute observations collectively represent thousands of hours of free market research.

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2011-07-25 09:58 AM

Shevy has suggested the same thing. Searching for truth in customer preferences should be the highest priority of a trade group. Instead, they focus their efforts on how to bludgeon buyers with bullshit.

Astute Observation by so_scared
2011-07-25 10:09 AM

so much did this principled fight cost you?

The sad part of this is that most people will never hear about this and net net, they have only cost IR money to defend. Are you going to think twice before bashing them again JIC they might bring another suit to make you defend again? Did they accomplish exactly what they wanted with this trick?

The OCRA basically had their members chip in $5 each and it costs IR thousands out of his own pocket to prepare to defend. (unless some attorney did it pro-bono on the principal of it but it still cost him time away from his business)

Astute Observation by Perspective
2011-07-25 10:28 AM

The good news is, the attorneys on both sides benefit. wink

Astute Observation by awgee
2011-07-25 01:25 PM

Yeah IR, only do the right thing if it does not cost you and only if you get recognition, an you may want to stop telling the truth if it is going to cost you.  What a goof ball you are.

“All that’s necessary for the forces of evil to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing.” - Edmund Burke

Astute Observation by so_scared
2011-07-25 01:57 PM

haha. you sure are righteous with other people’s money.

if this fight was going to cost him 200k in legal fees he should keep fighting and footing the bill to do the “right” thing huh?

Of course he was going to win the legal battle but if they suck him dry but using funds from Shevy and other realtors who pay for this fight with their collective fees, has he lost the war?

This is somehow a goof to you?

Astute Observation by awgee
2011-07-25 02:12 PM

I am not righteous with other people’s money.  I did not decide what IR shouldn’t do with his money.  I am supportive of someone who has done the right thing rather than putting them down for spending their resources on doing the right thing and questioning their decisions.  I am grateful to those who do the right thing at their own expense.  I am grateful to those who come before me and allow me to live in the grace of that which they have accomplished.

But, hey, just sit there and put IR down for his expense and whatever effect he did not have.  After all, your inaction will cost you nothing.

Astute Observation by so_scared
2011-07-25 02:58 PM

put him down for this expenses?

Wtf are you talking about?

I didn’t put him down for his expenses. But did the thought ever occur to you that the OCRA definition of victory is not to win the legal case against IR, but to make him spend money defending himself and maybe next time, it might make him or others think twice. Such is how convoluted our legal system is.

If they have a pool of funds being paid for by thousands and IR only has his own funds to defend, it would get awfully painful awfully fast.

I guess that depends on how deep his pockets are and how much he wants to spend “defending” the principals on his own dime.

I suspect he will spend a couple of thousand but doubt he would spend 100K doing it for the “principals” alone.

It has nothing to do with putting him down. Far from it. I’m in fact, glad they dismissed and it didn’t cost him “more” but claiming victory on “winning” may be missing the point. They made him spend his hard earned $$$ and they spent their members money (including Shevy’s doing it.) So who really won here?

Not that clear IMO. Only people cheering this are the readers of this blog and MAYBE 3rd page readers of OC Register real estate section who read the dismissal. No one else really cared but IR’s funds were “really” depleted.

Astute Observation by awgee
2011-07-25 05:59 PM

Yeah, you really cared about IR’s funds.  We believe that.

BTW, I know how much it cost him, exactly.  You do not, nor do you know what you are talking about.

Astute Observation by Swiller
2011-07-25 08:45 PM

“I am grateful to those who do the right thing at their own expense.  I am grateful to those who come before me and allow me to live in the grace of that which they have accomplished.”


My Sweet Lord, this is beauty Awgee, so profoundly well said, may I aspire to live in that humbleness and thankfulness. Thank you for reminding me, I so easily forget.

Astute Observation by Anonymous
2011-07-25 09:18 PM

By making the complaint, the realtors made IHB news. When the blogs and news organization mentioned IHB because it was news, that drove traffic and awareness to IHB. This free “advertising” due to the complaint likely also increased revenue for IHB (as ads or referrals for Shevy).  I hope the complaint puts more money in IR’s pocket than legalities took out of it. Much more poetic that way.

Astute Observation by So_scared
2011-07-25 10:00 PM

wow really? you are truly special. you know how much he had to spend defending himself against a worthless suit. that clearly makes you more informed.

victory lap and high fives for you and the inside info team. they make him waste money and time and you are handing congratulatory cigars for a conclusion that was obvious and foregone conclusion for everyone but you.

you must have had many sleepless nights wondering if the 1st amendment was going to get trampled on by the ocra. whew, we dodged a big one there.

Astute Observation by Josephine
2011-07-26 09:06 AM

Little victories count.  I enjoy reading this blog and sorry that Larry had to deal w/the BS of OCAr.  It is sad that at a whim of pathetic group that Larry had to incur expense.  For him, I’m sure the personal battle was worth it or he wouldn’t have fought it.  In a way, yes, it matters to many other bloggers, setting precedent, you can say.  It was a ridiculous complaint to begin with.  I wish Larry does get extra business from the exposure.  As already said, that would be PJ.

Astute Observation by rkp
2011-07-25 10:27 AM

Congrats on the victory IR.  I am glad you stood your ground and they backed off.

One thing you wrote stuck out at me:
“But this blog is like visiting my house. If people don’t like the rules here, they don’t need to come visit.”

I love reading this blog and have been a reader before you were the main writer.  But thinking of it as your house is not correct.  The reason this blog took off and OCFlipTrack didnt was because of the community aspect this blog drove.  The comments were meaningful and added to the discussion greatly.  What many blog writers seem to forget unfortunately is that while it is *their* blog, its really the entire readership that makes it something worthwhile reading.  I appreciate your insights and posts but I also enjoy reading through the comments.  I know you encourage both sides of the discussion and are very open to keeping majority of comments so dont get me wrong, your actions have been great.  I just hope you realize its not so much your house as its your community hall or your pub. 

By the way, not to rehash this but just yesterday I was reading through some of the old forum posts on schools in various parts of Irvine and was amazed by the wealth of knowledge there.  I know you werent able to monetize or justify its existence so no comments on you closing it down.  I do appreciate that the threads are still there and if you ever decide to take them down, please do give us a heads up.

Astute Observation by winstongator
2011-07-25 01:49 PM

The better analogy is that the blog is Larry’s bar.  Larry is fun to hang out with, but it is more fun when he’s got his patrons here hanging out with him.  He’s not so thin-skinned that he can’t take a little ribbing as bartender, but not only does it piss him off when people act like jerks, it bothers the other customers too.  This goes for any blog/forum where someone who gets their comments deleted cries that their right to free speech is being infringed.

Congrats to Larry on the victory over OCAR.

Astute Observation by Sac Boomer
2011-07-25 11:33 AM

I.R. A few disconnected comments: Re: “No dark heavy feel…” They shouldn’t let us see a picture of that kitchen before saying that. It looks to me like the inside of a really big coffin. It sounds like a bit of a reaction formation, kind of like “Fair and Balanced”. If you have to say it, it probably isn’t so. Most likely the seller is describing the gradual grinding down of his optimism, as the carrying costs on this thing eat away at his imagined riches.“No dark heavy feel, nothing to see here…”

Re: The IHB as a free source of info for realtors; My next door neighbor, a realtor is working with my daughter & son in law in their home search. His advice, “don’t hurry” after all “home prices really only track wage growth over time” I think the message is there for those who will struggle a bit with their pre-conceived notions or NAR indoctrination.

SB

Astute Observation by winstongator
2011-07-25 01:51 PM

How do you have a $3M+ home and only 25 bottles of wine?  If I had a $3M home, I’d have a fully-stocked cellar.

Astute Observation by awgee
2011-07-25 02:05 PM

How much did it cost you?

Astute Observation by awgee
2011-07-25 06:02 PM

Somehow this went in the wrong place and the the addressee is unidentifiable and I am so senile I do not remember the context.  Please ignore.

Astute Observation by Josephine
2011-07-25 02:24 PM

I’m am happy and relieved for you.  Keep up the great work!  Victory is yours!

Astute Observation by jaffonerr
2011-07-25 02:28 PM

Great job taking a massive crap on the faces of the scum-sucking RealtorĀ® dogs. Keep after them. Demand they all be indicted and stuffed into wedding dresses and sent into prisons filled with psychopathic neonazi cannibal serial killers so they can enjoy the company of colleagues.

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2011-07-25 03:25 PM

That might be a bit too much, don’t you think?

Astute Observation by TO Renter
2011-07-25 05:34 PM

No, that sounds about right wink

No wait ... make it an ARIZONA prison, they got this warden there that makes prison life extra humiliating.

Location, location, location!!!—LOL

Astute Observation by Josephine
2011-07-25 03:00 PM

I hope it didn’t suck too much money out of you.

Astute Observation by newbie2008
2011-07-25 04:00 PM

IR,
Good for you.
In facing bullies and the unjust, sometimes you lose, but they might think twice before doing it again.  Applies later in life too.

Your got to know when to hold them, when to fold them and when to run….  ...Tommy lock the door.
“Coward of the County” by Kenny Rogers

Astute Observation by TO Renter
2011-07-25 05:31 PM

No, that sounds about fair to me wink ... no wait, make it in an ARIZONA jail, they have this warden there that makes prison life extra humiliating, plus location, location, location!—LOL

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-07-25 05:40 PM

You are thinking about tent city and Sheriff Joe.  The inmates wear pink underwear and eat baloney sandwiches for meals.

Astute Observation by Sac Boomer
2011-07-26 08:58 AM

Really cheap baloney….....

Astute Observation by CA
2011-07-25 07:07 PM

Haha, awesome, so OCAr dismissed a complaint that wasn’t even valid to begin with.

It’s like me withdrawing my claim for the throne of England.

Astute Observation by Chris
2011-07-26 07:33 PM

IR, if you had to use your own money to defend, why don’t you set up a trust fund for those who would like to contribute to your cause.

I’ll personally donate $50 (it’s a token amount) via Paypal if you set one up.

Chris

Astute Observation by 1stMillionAt33
2011-07-27 01:05 PM

Congratulation, IR.

Astute Observation by Gemina13
2011-07-30 03:03 PM

From beautiful and sunny (yes! sunny!) Seattle, IR, my congratulations.  You did the right thing, took on the bullies, and made them eat crow.  I’m proud of you for doing so.

Now keep taking them on.  Every bit of bullshit you disinfect with sunlight is that much more information to enlighten potential buyers—not to mention fun for us snarkers.

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