Key players in the political debate on housing finance

Jan 14th, 2011  
by IrvineRenter  in Library News

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by alan
2011-01-14 09:32 AM

They probably have paid down their mortagage since the $238 refi so they may still be an A.  I’d give them an A- or B+.

Astute Observation by jb
2011-01-14 09:50 AM

It is nice to see owners like this. Now the question is…what will they do with the check? Do they rent for a couple of years and get 1.6% on the cash? Do they move out of state?

Astute Observation by lowrydr310
2011-01-14 09:54 AM

Is it me, or does the front of that house look like a locomotive?

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Astute Observation by lowrydr310
2011-01-14 09:54 AM

Astute Observation by just bought in irvine
2011-01-14 06:39 PM

LOL! that’s too cool.

Astute Observation by so_scared
2011-01-14 09:55 AM

The average 30-year fixed-rate mortgage fell to 4.71% in the week ended Jan. 13, reaching a four-week low, Freddie Mac said. The rate was 4.77% in the prior week and 5.06% in the prior year, according to Freddie Mac, a buyer of residential mortgages.
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OMG..what is happening?

I was bet my entire down payment I rolled over from selling from bubble height days on TBT (Ultra bear of treasuries) because awgee and others guaranteed rates are going up and only up based on his thorough economic analysis.

He was so convincing that 4% rates are gone forever since he was posting daily about how rates were going up….

Now a big chunk of the down payment I had ponzi’ed from selling my house during the peak is gone and I don’t know what to do since there isn’t any possible way I can save up for a down payment even though my wife and I are both professionals and each make 6 figure incomes.

Help awgee! can you please explain why rates are going down again? how is this possible? The Chinese were supposed to only buy commodities.

so_scared.
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Astute Observation by lee in irvine
2011-01-14 10:28 AM

Per DataQuick, Single-Family Median Home Price:

2010 Monthly/Weekly
$490,000 = Jan
$490,000 = Feb
$515,000 = Mar
$505,000 = Apr
$515,000 = May
$515,000 = Jun
$517,500 = Jul
$530,000 = Aug
$525,000 = Sep
$500,000 = Oct
$500,000 = Nov
$480,000 = Dec 22 <-Today’s median (LoL) FAIL!

“You will continue to be wrong as long as you look at the possibilities through the lens of desire rather than the harshness of reality.” ~ AWGEE

Astute Observation by awgee
2011-01-14 10:55 AM

Dude - The last thing I said about interest rates was that they would be going down first.  The chinese are not buying T’s.  The Fed is.

Astute Observation by tenmagnet
2011-01-14 11:02 AM

A number of people here including AZDave ripped PR last month when there was a slight uptick in rates.

The continuous improvement in the credit markets and low borrowing rates still drive demand in Irvine.
PR’s been right all along.

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-01-14 11:20 AM

It’s amazing how the vast majority here cherry pick based on their desires instead of acknowledging the facts.

I know, I know the banks are scared to death and Lee can bold that it’s going to be a very interesting week

This whole Irvine housing crash continues to be a freaking yawner.  Wall $treet Won, I’d rather deal with that reality then have BS hope for something else.

If I’ve learned anything from this blog it’s that when IR says something can’t happen it usually happens:

IR: the government can’t influence housing prices
Yeah well it happened, and the BS continues

IR: interest rates are heading up
Yeah well the opposite continues

IR: prices have been going down since 2008/9 in Irvine
Yeah well the opposite happened

IR: foreclosure contract law does not apply to deadbeats
Wrong again

Next up is probably cram downs and sleu of other things that can never happen

Astute Observation by Eat that!
2011-01-14 11:30 AM

It seems that every recent buyer is counting on the Fed to save their investment.  I for one hope you are right but something deeper tells me you are wrong especially when the big players are free and clear of their bad debt, the little guys will get screwed.

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-01-14 11:40 AM

Of course the little guys will get screwed, that’s how the game is set up.  However nobody will get screwed more than those who were responsible.

Astute Observation by CapitalsimWorks
2011-01-14 09:12 PM

PR is starting to sound like mark hanson ( that is pretty good company) on the cram downs. If the crisis and follow on response has taught us anything it is that the government will go to extraordinary lengths to reverse market forces, and wields power.

Astute Observation by wheresthebeef
2011-01-14 10:04 PM

Planet Reality has acknowledged many times that he/she doesn’t own a home in Irvine.  So is Planet Reality a renter? 

You have way too much faith in the Fed.  From the last two decades they have proven to be an absolute abysmal FAILURE.  Sooner or later all this stupidity will catch up with them…and I think it will be sooner.

On another topic, I have no desire to purchase in Irvine for many reasons.  However, I have noticed that many houses in Huntington Beach (the area that I follow) are seeing steep discounts.  What was selling for high 6XX and low 7XX K at the peak are now being advertised with a number that starts with 4.  Keep on dropping baby!

Astute Observation by awgee
2011-01-14 10:55 PM

“From the last two decades they have proven to be an absolute abysmal FAILURE.”

That all depends on what the Fed’s goal was.

What do you think the Fed’s purpose is?

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-01-15 07:52 AM

One of the Feds major goals, though not published, is to produce inflation disguised as real growth.  The Fed has been pretty sucessful at that.

Every time I hear an inflation number reported without food or energy cost I have to laugh.  Only the two most important expenses, excluding housing and education which also have not been included in the CPI for the past 20 years.

Inflation numbers that don’t have food and energy? No seriously, are they for real?

Astute Observation by wheresthebeef
2011-01-15 10:01 AM

Awgee, I see the Fed’s purpose as making the tough (often unpopular) economic decisions that will keep our country financially healthy.  These decisions should be completely devoid of politics and not catering to banks, Wall St., corporate America.  If economy needs stimulation or if it needs to be cooled, they can act with interest rate adjustments.  Additionally, their job is to spot bubbles of any type and hopefully take the air out of them…which will be far less painful than having them run their course.

We have seen the last two idiots have been nothing but a bunch lap dogs for politicans and the crony Wall St. bankers.  Massive bubbles have formed on their watch and wreaked havoc with the world economy.  Their interest rate policy is reckless, it caters to the irresponsible and not the responsible savers.  History will show that Alan and Ben were complete buffoons.

Abolish the Fed.

Astute Observation by awgee
2011-01-15 11:02 AM

The job of the Fed is to do what the designers of the Fed intended it to do, enrich and empower the member banks.  The legislation to create the Federal Reserve was written by bankers and was intended to enrich banks. 

The easiest way to figure out anybody’s intention is to look at what they have done.  What has the Fed done in its 97 year history?  If that is too long to research, what has the Fed done in the last 10 years?

You will know them by their deeds.

Astute Observation by Dave Kinkade
2011-01-15 09:25 PM

PR,
  Why allow the facts to get in the way of a HOPEful story on how inflation is remaining surprisingly low and that we should all feel wonderful about our economy and that pesky food and energy thing is really nothing to worry about.

Astute Observation by DarthFerret
2011-01-17 03:24 AM

PR: “Every time I hear an inflation number reported without food or energy cost I have to laugh.  Only the two most important expenses, excluding housing and education which also have not been included in the CPI for the past 20 years.”

How many times must we go over this? Food and energy costs are not included in SHORT-TERM inflation stats due to their volatility, not due to their unimportance. Food and energy costs are ALWAYS included in longer-term inflation reporting, such as annual or multi-year inflation stats.

-Darth

Astute Observation by newbie2001
2011-01-14 10:13 AM

Irinve is not Chicago:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/realestate/foreclosure/ct-biz-0113-walkaway—20110113,0,515928,full.story

Borrower walk away.  Now bank walk away.
Recession has “ended” for the business, but what happens when the business have little buyers in America?  ...sell overseas.

New folks in control, but is it new in name only and still under the thumb of GS?

Astute Observation by Geotpf
2011-01-14 03:11 PM

You link Goes Nowhere and Does Nothing.

Astute Observation by Al Greenspan
2011-01-14 10:14 AM

Hmmmm…

So they are all Zionist Jews with duel citizenship with Israel? Oh, wait… Israel is owned by the Zionist Rothschilds, who have 600 Trillion Dollars, own all of the banks and Associated Press and Reuters News service. I wonder…are these guys own by them too?!!

Who let the cat out of the bag?

Astute Observation by lee in irvine
2011-01-14 10:47 AM

My best friend is a Jew and a business lawyer.  I’ve known him for over 25 years.  He works his ass off, and he’s brilliant ... NOTHING has been given to him.  He learned this work ethic from his mother and father (Jews), and he is teaching it to his children.

That’s the secret of the Jews prosperity/cat.

Astute Observation by DarthFerret
2011-01-14 05:14 PM

People who think like this are why I will never take the Ron Paul crowd seriously.

-Darth

Astute Observation by DarthFerret
2011-01-14 05:39 PM

Since we’ve now got a conspiracy theorist in our midst that is determined to dump the housing boom/bust on “Tha Joos!”, here’s an article for your reading enjoyment:

Book Details German Citizens’ Role in End of War Killings
“The more the war approached its end, and the more obvious the prisoners’ presence in the midst of the German population became, the more regularly German civilians participated.”
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,739518,00.html

Don’t ever, EVER, EVER forget what road people like this poster would have us walk down.

-Darth

P.S. My wife is a German citizen. My personal ancestry is heavily German. So far as I’m aware, I have no Jewish heritage whatsoever. If there were any room for equivocation on this issue, I would have as much reason as anyone.

Astute Observation by alan
2011-01-14 11:28 AM

Now the the Dems no longer control the house I doubt that Mr Frank will continue to wield as much influnce as you suggest.  Plus, I think he’s feeling a bit guilty over the housing bubble which he realizes he’s partly responsible because of his past policies.

Astute Observation by DarthFerret
2011-01-14 05:41 PM

Your first sentence I mostly agree with, although Barney Frank has a particular knack for wielding influence, even from the minority.

Your second sentence, I don’t believe is true at all.

-Darth

Astute Observation by DarthFerret
2011-01-14 05:42 PM

P.S. Untrue as to the feeling guilty part, that is. He most certainly is and was guilty, but I doubt that he admits it even to himself, and I definitely don’t think he feels that his actions were negative in any way. I’m certain that he has managed to blame any and every one else.

-Darth

Astute Observation by irvine_home_owner
2011-01-14 11:45 AM

I’m glad IR profiled a non-Ponzi home this time. It shows that Irvine is not the “epicenter” of HELOC abuse that some think it is.

I actually believe there is less HELOC-fu in Irvine than there are in other OC cities but I don’t have the data to prove it.

Maybe this is one of those people who will use their equity profit to put a large down payment on another Irvine house.

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-01-14 11:54 AM

I think they are more likely to buy AZdavids dream home in Scottsdale for $300K cash.

Astute Observation by newbie
2011-01-14 03:08 PM

You are likely to be correct.  I noticed that most Irvinians are driving typical cars for their income or occupation, while many other OC’er are driving more high end cars especially considering their occupation.  But the HELOC siren is hard to resist.

Astute Observation by winstongator
2011-01-14 02:14 PM

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/01/fomc-debates-housing-bubble-in-2005.html

Hoocoodanode?  The Fed!

Why has it taken 5 years to get this information made public?  I don’t agree with Ron Paul about much, but if he can get the minutes of the FOMC down to maybe 3-6 month lag before they’re made public, that would be a positive step.

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