Donald Bren on the recovery: “No. I don’t see the light.”

Nov 8th, 2011  
by IrvineRenter  in Library News

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2011-11-08 09:35 AM

Behind the Numbers: the Housing Crash Continues

By Dawn Wotapka and Alan Zibel

Here’s even more bad news for housing: Sales of previously occupied homes in the U.S. fell last month. September’s existing-home sales decreased by 3.0% – more than expected – from a month earlier to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 4.91 million, the National Association of Realtors said Thursday.

The market is “in a holding pattern. It’s not breaking out,” said Lawrence Yun, the trade group’s chief economist. (We’ll point out that this holding pattern has been going on for some time.)

The results show that the housing crash continues. The foreclosure crisis drags on, exacerbated by the fact that many Americans owe more on their homes than they’re worth. That has plenty of would-be buyers jittery and stuck on the sidelines. In addition, requirements for loans are tighter than ever and, now, the size of loans backed by government entities including Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have fallen, hurting housing even more. The limits, which went into effect at the start of this month, vary by location but are now $625,500 in expensive markets such as New York and San Francisco, down from $729,750.

According to the Realtors, the median sales price came in at $165,400, down 3.5% from $171,400 a year earlier, showing that the nation’s depressed home values have yet to stabilize.

The inventory of previously owned homes listed for sale, meanwhile, fell at the end of September to 3.48 million. That represented an 8.5-month supply at the current sales pace, slightly above the healthy level of about six months. (Keep in mind that plenty of would-be sellers have pulled their homes off the market or are waiting to sell.)

Foreclosures and other distressed properties represented about 30% of sales, showing such deals remain a big part of the battered marketplace. Investors purchased 19% of homes in September, up a hair from a year earlier. First-time buyers accounted for 32% of deals.

Here’s what industry watchers had to say:

Ian Shepherdson, economist, High Frequency Economics: “With mortgage demand still dead we expect no serious near-term movement. Prices continue to decline, with the y/y rate trending at about -4.5%. This is a significant barrier to recovery, because most people tend not to want to borrow multiples of their annual incomes to purchase depreciating assets, no matter how low is the nominal mortgage rate. Housing will recover in time as the labor market picks up and people start moving around the country to take up new jobs, but for now the market is dead.”

Jed Kolko, economist, Trulia: “Today’s month-on-month drop in existing home sales won’t be the last drop we see. The current month-on-month decline in home-purchase mortgage applications, released by MBA yesterday, indicates that sales – which lag mortgage applications – will continue downward.”

Dan Oppenheim, analyst, Credit Suisse: “We think these levels of months’ supply continue to indicate current and future pricing pressure, suggesting downside risk to existing and new home pricing (NAR inventory also would not include shadow inventory not for sale). We think home builders will need to adjust pricing lower to remain competitive with the more attractively priced existing home market.”

Astute Observation by FreedomCM
2011-11-08 11:02 AM

Something is funky with the super-low HOA fine at that development.  Are they not funding the maintenance reserve?

What $ did it go back to the bank for?

Not to mention that it hasn’t had any updates in 22 years.  I suppose the relitter could have written “classic condition”

Astute Observation by irvine_home_owner
2011-11-08 12:19 PM

“I personally felt the commercial center at Culver and Walnut was ugly, and Bren must have felt the same because it was just redone with a completely different architectural feel.”

Heritage Plaza isn’t a TIC property which is probably why it took so long to get updated.

I think the one on Jeffrey and south of Walnut is worse. It’s also not TIC-owned and I doubt it will get updated any time soon.

Astute Observation by Perspective
2011-11-08 12:35 PM

Heritage Plaza had a cool 70s vibe goin’ on before the reno.

Astute Observation by TonyE
2011-11-11 04:43 PM

Jim’s music was there.  I used to smoke cigars with the owner… who, btw, is not named Jim.

Astute Observation by jumpcut
2011-11-08 01:00 PM

Astute Observation by irvine_home_owner:
“I think the one on Jeffrey and south of Walnut is worse. It’s also not TIC-owned and I doubt it will get updated any time soon.”

Yeah but it has the best Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Taiwanese food east of Jamboree.  And Kitty House!

Astute Observation by irvine_home_owner
2011-11-08 01:17 PM

Can’t believe you left out Yogurtland.

Astute Observation by TonyE
2011-11-11 04:42 PM

That’s it… I’ve been lurking for a long time… but this I can not let go.

My favorite place dining hole in Irvine was El Conejo.. they took it away.. right there, Jeffrey and Walnut..

Oh.. btw, I’m still interested in LV.  Just raising more capital.  I’m thinking of selling my house (long term owner in TR), renting a townhouse and buying rentals in LV…..

Just so you know…

Who needs more Chinese food?  Really…

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2011-11-08 03:48 PM

“Heritage Plaza isn’t a TIC property which is probably why it took so long to get updated.”

That explains it. That plaza was awful, but I think you’re right, the one at Walnut and Jeffrey is even worse.

Astute Observation by Swiller
2011-11-08 04:21 PM

If by “worse” you mean it has some culture and a sense of time…sure it’s “worse” than the cookie cutter looks like corporate herpes buildings.

Personally, I can’t stand Irvine and the day I don’t have to look at the monopoly buildings is a day I look forward to greatly, and that day is coming soon.

Anyhting with substance here is dissolved and made to look like the latest gimmick design or cliche’ architecture. Your comments in the article hug Bren’s nuts pretty good so I wonder why the manlove? Afraid of his personal vendetta?

Bren is a development monster who only sees progress in money and things related to money. One day he will die like the rest of us and IMO, the world will be a better place.

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2011-11-08 07:28 PM

I admire what Bren has accomplished, and I like the community he created. I spend many keystrokes ripping on fools, but sometimes it’s nice to acknowledge something done well.

Bren has far more valuable things to do with his time and money than worry about what I am writing.

Astute Observation by Anonymous
2011-11-08 02:20 PM

Las Vegas house prices continue to slide, down 9 percent from year ago

http://www.vegasinc.com/news/2011/nov/08/las-vegas-house-prices-continue-slide/

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2011-11-08 03:47 PM

The cashflow deals keep getting better and better.

Astute Observation by irvine_home_owner
2011-11-08 04:19 PM

Having no idea about the Vegas market, would this mean rents are declining too?

Are you able to keep your properties fully tenanted with good renters? I remember from my time as a landlord, finding quality tenants was not very easy.

If prices in Vegas are still declining, for any flips you did last year, are the new owners still above water?

Astute Observation by Swiller
2011-11-08 04:25 PM

....the sound of silence. All those people who bought “cashflow” properties…I wonder how much cash will be flowing when rents decrease even MORE because no one in their right mind wants to live in freakin’ Las Vegas. I have a sister that lives there and I don’t even visit her because the city is pretty much opposite to what I consider good and healthy.

The ONLY thing Vegas has right is prostitution is legal.

Astute Observation by Perspective
2011-11-08 05:03 PM

It’s actually illegal in Vegas, but legal in most other areas of Nevada.

Astute Observation by lee in irvine
2011-11-08 05:58 PM

People are buying single family homes for 2/3 (or less) the material cost in LV.  This is gonna provide a great hedge against future inflation when it does finally arrive.  BTW, we’re still, despite all the inflation “rumors”, clearly in a deflationary cycle.

Also ...

Las Vegas property: a 10% hit on a 80K property yielding 7-10% against cash basis. Winner-Winner chicken dinner!

Orange County property: a 10% hit on a 400K property yielding 5-7% against cash basis.  Loser!

Astute Observation by Minnesota Fats
2011-11-09 06:20 PM

“The ONLY thing Vegas has right is prostitution is legal.”

What, buffets don’t count?

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2011-11-08 07:31 PM

“Having no idea about the Vegas market, would this mean rents are declining too?”

Nope, rents have been holding steady since 2009. There are seasonal patterns like the resale market, but the rents on individual properties haven’t varied more than $25 to $50 per month up or down in the last 3 years from what I have observed pulling comps every day.

“Are you able to keep your properties fully tenanted with good renters?”

So far, but I just started renting these out a few months ago.

Astute Observation by SanJoseRenter
2011-11-09 12:04 AM

NaR lobbying letter analysis:

wsj.com: The Realtor Subsidy

Astute Observation by Will
2011-11-09 06:04 PM

Bren has to say “No. I don’t see the light.”  If he sounded positive and said something like “We’re through the worst of this” or “It’s getting better everyday” people would yell about how out of touch the top 1% are.  Bren is definitely in that 1% - maybe 0.01%.  I suspect he’s not hurting much - but a lot of people who live, shop, or work in his properties are.

Astute Observation by Fats Domino
2011-11-09 06:22 PM

Thanks for the link.

I love that sh*t (bad news about housing I mean).

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