Do loan owners feel invested in their communities?

Apr 8th, 2011  
by IrvineRenter  in Library News

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by winstongator
2011-04-08 04:15 AM

Great post.  You nailed it by saying that it was not a confidence issue.  The problem was once home prices turned, in summer 2006.  At that point you started to get defaults, because the option to refinance was diminishing.  Kocherlakota fails to note that it was not just falling home prices that would cause the securities to fail, but stagnant prices would also cause them to fail.  I wonder why he leaves that point out?  To bolster his weak ‘confidence’ story?

There are lots of non-mortgaged owners of homes that are not connected at all to their neighborhoods or communities.  Areas with vacant unmaintained homes (I know those don’t exist in the HOA land of Irvine) or slumlords would be two.  I would also say that people who buy real estate solely for the speculative capital appreciation are less connected to a community than occupants, renters or owners.  Do you think the people who used 100% financing to buy a speculative Miami condo care that when they stop paying their condo fees, they’re stiffing their neighbors?  This is a real serious problem in SoFla.  As for others not connected to their community, you can put massive property developers who use tainted products in their homes (Chinese drywall?).

Communities existed before common people owned land, and they exist in pure rental areas.  ‘Ownership’ is neither a necessary or sufficient condition for building a community.

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-04-08 08:00 AM

“My strongest feelings of home still reside in my home town in central Wisconsin. It’s not a place I can indulge my entitlements, so I find myself wandering the globe looking for a place I can have the closeness of community and the conveniences of modern society. Irvine is as close as I have come.”

Have you tried the surrounding town 5 to 15 miles from Irvine?  I think you’ll find these areas as being a lot more communal than Irvine.  I view Irvine as a cold place that has become somwhat segregated racially.  I agree with you though, this general area is tops for finding good long term opportunity and balance in life.

Astute Observation by Perspective
2011-04-08 08:48 AM

Can you name an town that isn’t self-segregated racially?

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-04-08 09:01 AM

I fear this will turn into a racial discussion which was not my goal.

There is something to be said for the value of diversity in a community.  Other OC towns that may be more communal to some have less diversity than Irvine.  Also there is a difference between “fresh off the boat” diversity, and longer term American diversity.  For some Irvine provides the best communal feel, but IR may feel stronger community else where around Irvine.

Astute Observation by Woodbury Renter
2011-04-08 09:57 AM

You have to think of Irvine by its communities, and each has very different culture and demographics.  Woodbridge couldn’t be any more different than University Park, and both are completely different than the newest communities in the Woodbury area.

Astute Observation by matt138
2011-04-09 08:01 AM

grew up on a street with 8 houses: 2 korean, 1 jamaican, 3 white, 1 hispanic, and 1 old white homosexual couple.  Neighborhoods that lack diversity scare me.

Astute Observation by wheresthebeef
2011-04-08 08:55 AM

Someone actually paid 900K for this box in early 2004.  Don’t even know what to say about that…

This place gets a 2.5 on the curb appeal 1 to 10 scale.  I’m sure the FCBs are foaming at the mouth to scoop this baby up!

Astute Observation by tenmagnet
2011-04-08 09:51 AM

They’re already lining up under the FCBs Welcome banner at Stonegate.
Tomorrow is the big Grand Opening.

Astute Observation by Vincenzo
2011-04-08 11:47 AM

Is she loosing her down payment?
How does it work?
$305,000 is a lot of money.

Astute Observation by FreedomCM
2011-04-08 10:02 AM

I love that the re-litter can’t even get the year the box was built correct.

Houses in this tract (and this is the definition of tract housing, imho) appear to have been built in 1998, and sold around300k.

How in the world are they “worth” $800k now?  Not that it won’t sell for that, but is that a long-term sustainable price?  (ie a lawyer or physician earning $250k/yr wants to live here?)

Astute Observation by Laura Louzader
2011-04-08 10:35 AM

A $250K salary ought to buy a person a much better lifestyle than this. What a sad, degrading way to live for anyone who makes a good income. This house looks like it was built from a cardboard kit.

I make far less, and I wouldn’t settle for this. And I don’t have to settle it as Chicago’s wrecked condo market is offering up truly beautiful condos well within my price range.. and the prices are still falling in this overbuilt market.

Irvine seems to have a lot of price resilience due to the affluent demographic there, but I’m betting that you all will see more price breaks in choice housing as the recession grinds on to its second leg down. We are NOT out of the woods yet, grasshoppers, and there is still a lot of shadow inventory in every housing market in the country, including “flyover” places that were supposedly unaffected by the bubble.

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-04-08 02:19 PM

Boy oh boy, you would not want to see what the renters earning $80k per year here are living like.

Yes we understand Chicago had a bubble, it’s not a flyover area, you sometimes have to change planes and deal with that horrible airport mayhem.

By the way, thanks again for helping to pay for California’s “problems”.

Astute Observation by HydroCabron
2011-04-08 02:31 PM

I have scanned your post thoroughly for content.

I can report that no content was detected. Nothing there but venom and comma splices.

Astute Observation by bigmoneysalsa
2011-04-08 04:06 PM

True that, Hydro. You’re not suprised, I hope.

I rent in Irvine and am in that general income range. Between my 5 minute commute and all the disposable income I have because I chose not to buy when I moved here, my lifestyle is pretty great! Irvine is a wonderful place for upper middle class households like mine, as long as they take the simple step of not buying during an housing bubble.

Astute Observation by winstongator
2011-04-09 04:49 AM

PR, California pays a lot more in federal taxes than it gets in federal benefits.  If CA only paid for what it got, it could instantly erase its state-level budget.  CA is getting help when it needs it because it provided what it could, when it could.

This is the difference between the US and the EU.  One, people can move from CA to other areas, if needed.  Second, while there may be cultural differences, Iowans are a lot closer to Californians than Germans are to Greeks.  Third, it’s not like Iowan bankers were getting fat off loans made to Californians, the way German banks pumped money into periphery states.  This actually makes the case that the EU should be MORE likely to bail out periphery states.

Astute Observation by HydroCabron
2011-04-08 02:36 PM

The facade of the garage and bedroom windows reminds me of Fredo Corleone, with his pencil moustache.

Astute Observation by Laura Louzader
2011-04-08 03:36 PM

PR, I’m no angrier over paying for CA’s problems than I am about paying Target to build a store 2.3 miles from an existing one for the sake of “economic development” in Uptown Chicago, or $400K a unit for “affordable” subsidized rentals in an area where the city could pick up dozens of perfectly nice and livable condos languishing on the market under $100K in this worst of all condo markets.

Never mind the multiple bailouts for the auto makers and banks and Donald Trump, or the subidies for casinos, or for NOT GROWING ANYTHING on a 1000 acre spread in Iowa you inherited and never worked an acre of, or for our airlines, or to induce United Airlines to rent all that vacant space in the Sears Tower ($37M), or for faith-based initiatives, or the highway Walmart wants to build a store 80 miles from anywhere, or whatever.

We have so many people and entities so dependent upon so many subsidies that it has become impossible to tell who pays for what, and what truly pays its own way. I no longer have political axes to grind about this subsidy or that, so much as I would like our economy to be desubsidized as to restore honesty and transparency.

Astute Observation by matt138
2011-04-09 08:09 AM

Government chooses its favorites and in a downturn, picks who wins and who loses.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-04-08 04:22 PM

Crazy gal in New York pays 700.00 a month to live in a virtual < a href=“http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-woman-rents-90squarefoot-apartment-in-new-york-20110405,0,1602721.story”>prison cell </a>

Hilarious and sad at the same time.

Must be some DAYAM good weather over there!

Astute Observation by Laura Louzader
2011-04-09 04:09 AM

I saw the 90 sq ft Manhattan apartment. It’s really not that small for NYC, especially for the low rent she’s paying.

People will do ANYTHING to live in Manhattan. It has always been an ultra-expensive borough, and even the upper west side and lower est side are stratospheric. When I was a young girl contemplating a move to NYC decades ago, young people just out of college would quadruple up on studio apartments that cost more that luxury 2 bed apts in my native St. Louis. If you went away for the weekend, the other girls would rent out your space. Any vacant space qualifies to be made into a living space, because the place is just so crowded and in demand.

It has always struck me as being faintly insane, but if you are in certain industries, like fashion design, say, or advertising, there’s almost no other place to be.

San Francisco’s even worse on cost of living, but doesn’t offer the career opportunities.

Astute Observation by Misstrial
2011-04-09 04:09 PM

Sorry, but with all due respect SF is less expensive relative to real estate than Manhattan, whether Uptown, Mid-town, or Downtown. SF is cheaper by about 50 percent.

RE: food - there’s always the Farmer’s Market on Wed & Sats at The Ferry.

~Misstrial

Astute Observation by Laura Louzader
2011-04-09 04:12 PM

That’s hard to believe. San Fran is the only city I’ve seen in the U.S. where a fractional share of a moderate sized condo sells for over $200K.

And how exactly does that work, I wonder? Is it a time-share thing?

Astute Observation by Misstrial
2011-04-10 02:21 PM

You are getting info from the wrong places.

I am moving to SF this summer.

Prices in Pacific Heights are half of what they used to be. I am looking there. Same for the rest of the city.

A close friend recently bought a luxury 1-BR for $325k in the Financial District towards The Ferry.

I am aware you are in Chicago. Please do not comment on areas you are not up-to-date on.

Thanks,

~Misstrial

Astute Observation by BigD
2011-04-09 12:57 AM

Wow, looks like the smart, and financially available men are dogging single irvine women who lease their Irvine lifestyles…LOL


http://www.match.com/profile/showprofile.aspx?ortp=1&TP=U&uid=kQda+aZVg78z+e7reQ/BBQ==&lid=21


“I am looking for someone who is asian, down to earth, with a warm smile, intelligent, healthy, caring, well educated, and kind, financially responsible (no more HELOC abusers(pretenders who lease everything), who live in Irvine! Geessssh WTF are YOU thinking! Im not looking to bail you out of your debt problems!). Someone who appreciates a man going downtown. Someone who can hold an intelligent/stimulating conversation, and no mental baggage. “

HAHHAHAHHAHHAHAH LOL!!!!! TOO FUNNY TO even comment!!!!!!

But he likes going down… LOL

Astute Observation by SanJoseRenter
2011-04-10 12:27 AM

Actually the stuff after “financially responsible” is made up by BigD.

But that photo ... cargo shorts and sunglasses is something I’ll have to remember to avoid when I do a personal ad. smile

Astute Observation by nobody
2011-04-10 12:44 AM

uh, no, it has been changed.  You’ll notice the person is now shown to be currently online…

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