Login
Subscribe
Recent Comments
- Lee Campbell on Uncovering the History of the Secret Garden
- Kelja on Uncovering the History of the Secret Garden
- Sylvia Walker on Irvine Housing by the Numbers - May 2012 Update
- Casual Observer on Irvine Housing by the Numbers - May 2012 Update
- Astute As It Comes on Open House Review: 35 Bella Rosa
- Sylvia Walker on Open House Review: 35 Bella Rosa
- Darin on Open House Review: 35 Bella Rosa
- Sylvia Walker on Investors Are Busy in Irvine's Low-End Housing Market
- Casual Observer on Investors Are Busy in Irvine's Low-End Housing Market
- irvine_home_owner on Tustin, but Irvine Schools
Recent Posts
- Uncovering the History of the Secret Garden
- Closed Sales from 5/10/2012-5/16/2012
- Open House Review: 52 Secret Garden
- Irvine Housing by the Numbers - May 2012 Update
- Paired Living with Privacy in Woodbridge
- Beige Ruth Sisters
- Closed Sales from 5/3/2012 to 5/9/2012
- Open House Review: 35 Bella Rosa
- Investors Are Busy in Irvine’s Low-End Housing Market
- Artist in Residence: Turtle Rock Glen Townhome
Categories
- Community Profile
- HELOC Abuse
- House Flips
- IHB Property Listing
- Investment Property
- Library
- Mortgage Fraud
- New Homes
- News
- Price Rollback
- Property Rental
- Real Estate Analysis
- Real Estate Owned
- Schools
- Short Sale
- Special Essays
- Special Irvine Homes
- Uncategorized
- WTF
Archives
- May 2012
- April 2012
- March 2012
- February 2012
- January 2012
- December 2011
- November 2011
- October 2011
- September 2011
- August 2011
- July 2011
- June 2011
- Rest of archives
Browse Homes
Irvine Homes
- Airport Area Homes
- El Camino Real Homes
- Northpark Homes
- Northwood Homes
- Oak Creek Homes
- Orangetree Homes
- Portola Springs Homes
- Quaill Hill Homes
- Rancho San Joaquin Homes
- Turtle Ridge Homes
- Turtle Rock Homes
- University Park
- University Town Center Homes
- West Irvine Homes
- Westpark Homes
- Woodbridge Homes
- Woodbury Homes
Newport Beach Homes
- Newport Coast Homes
- Crystal Cove Homes
- Corona Del Mar / Spyglass
- East Bluff / Harbor View Homes
- Lower Newport Bay / Balboa Island
- Balboa Peninsula Homes
- West Bay / Santa Ana Heights
- West Newport / Lido Homes
Other Cities
- Aliso Viejo Homes
- Anaheim Hills Homes
- Brea Homes
- Costa Mesa Homes
- Coto de Caza Homes
- Dana Point Homes
- Huntington Beach Homes
- Ladera Ranch Homes
- Laguna Beach Homes
- Laguna Hills Homes
- Laguna Niguel Homes
- Lake Forest Homes
- Mission Viejo Homes
- Orange Homes
- Rancho Santa Margarita Homes
- San Clemente Homes
- San Juan Capistrano Homes
- Santa Ana Homes
- Tustin Homes
- Villa Park Homes
- Yorba Linda Homes
Contact
.(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Foreclosures
Housing
- Talk Irvine
- IHB Forum Archive
- OC Housing News
- Coto Housing Blog
- Housing Kaboom
- Patrick.net
- Housing Chronicles
- Housing Doom
- Dr. Housing Bubble
- Manhattan Beach Confidential
- Burbed
- SoCal RE Bubble Crash
- Professor Piggington
- Real C'ville
- Westside Bubble
- Bubble Meter
- Portland Housing Blog
- Sacramento Land(ing)
- OC Register Blog
Econ/Finance/Other
- Calculated Risk
- The Big Picture
- Economist's View
- Mish's Blog
- Matrix
- Bakers' Stock
- ML-Implode
- Eschaton
- Best Mortgage Rates
- Crackerjack Finance
Latest REOs
- $199,900 :: 3125 Watermarke Pl, Irvine CA, 92612
- $349,900 :: 10 Greenleaf 16, Irvine CA, 92604
- $439,900 :: 61 Olivehurst, Irvine CA, 92602
- $889,900 :: 14 Upland, Irvine CA, 92602
- $429,900 :: 56 Great Lawn, Irvine CA, 92620
- $465,000 :: 212 Garden Gate Ln, Irvine CA, 92620
- $329,000 :: 1006 Terra Bella, Irvine CA, 92602
- $579,900 :: 8 Star Thistle, Irvine CA, 92604
- $458,500 :: 3 Ultimo Dr, Irvine CA, 92620
- $398,900 :: 191 Lockford, Irvine CA, 92602
This is so much easier and safer than using a gun to rob the banks. And the criminal penalties seem to be much less risky.
This is such a valid point. I keep wondering how it is that my lender only offers me about 12 grand in HELOC, while I read about people taking out 100 percent of the value of their homes. Not that I want to undertake HELOC abuse, but I want to understand how this theft occurs.
Is it about finding the right appraiser, who will overvalue my home?
If I max out the current HELOC, will that cause my lender (or other lenders) to offer me even more credit (ala credit cards)?
I recall a recent post here about some people who took out a half million and walked away. That floors me. I just can’t get my head around what seems like plain, old fashioned theft. And I wonder how it’s done…
Any guidance would be appreciated.
Price
I have such a difficult time wrapping my mind around how so many people seem to have gotten away with so much fraudulent behavior that I simply can’t fathom it. The occasional instance is one thing but the seemingly widespread behavior suggests that this was not ALL due to irrational belief in 20% annual appreciation ad infinitum.
Call it conscience or what have you but I could not sleep at night thinking that someday a collector will come calling. What angers me most is it’s entirely likely these thieves will get away with it. Frankly I have more respect for the common purse snatcher because at least they’re risking something. (Not really but it illustrates my point ... White collar crime really does pay.)
I’ve long said responsibility is the dying attribute of our country. The victim culture is taking over ... and this distorted sense of entitlement that leads to this type of behavior. No one accepts responsibility for their actions any more. It’s all about excuses and finger-pointing. What, who me? I didn’t do it. The evil mortgage broker made me sign those papers AND he made me spend it all on cars and vacations. After all doesn’t everyone deserve to drive an MB/BMW/Range Rover and vacation twice a year in Italy?
Is it any wonder this is where are? For the last 8 years we’ve had an administration distort, obfuscate, lie and outright break laws and not a single person has been held to account. Not one. Before that we had Ken Lay, Bernie Ebbers and Dennis Kozlowski. Fine bunch of role models there. So why not follow their lead, if they can do it and get away with it so can I, right?
Flush the toilet, it’s getting rank in here.
If the guy made $35k in 2 months, he didn’t do too badly. When he gets out all the money he put in initially plus a nice pile more, giving the debt back to the bank may be like selling but without the hassles? Unless the recourse loan holders manage to get money out of him eventually, which apparently is no sure thing.
OK, he didn’t do as well as if he had the luck/timing to sell at the market peak and make an additional profit beyond what he had already pulled out, but looks like he did just fine so far. The music stopped and it is someone else who is looking for a chair ...
I read somewhere in the last couple days (unfortunately no link) that banks were “ramping up” there loss mitigation depts in an effort to go after borrowers defaulting on recourse loans. You would think this would be worth the effort if there’s no recession and/or a shallow/short recession because many borrowers still have jobs.
Blood. Turnips.
Agreed Agreed.
Did they teach this kind of technique in all those “How to get rich buying real estate with no money down.” TV commercials?
I wish that I had learned this in 2001-2002 and then used it to get really rich just like all the showcased real estate gurus.
Two HELOCs after two months of ownership? Money sure was easy to come buy during the bubble.
This flipper gets a 1st place award for the fastest HELOC abuse!
Meanwhile at the bank…
[Wells Fargo] “Sir, you just bought this house and you want a loan?”
[Flipper] “Umm yeah. I’d like my down payment back plus a 100 grand.”
[Wells Fargo] “Sure no problem. Do you want that in one hundred dollar bills?”
[Flipper]“One hundred dollar bills? No, that’s too much trouble. Just wire to my Cayman Island Account will do.”
Car dealers are hurting because a lot of the money used to buy cars in California was HELOC money! Long article in the NY Times yesterday about this.
Lexus dealers are discounting $7000-$10000 off MSRP ($68k - $73k) on 2008 LS460.
So they’re selling at invoice price?
My Offer
After giving this property a thorough look, my offer today is $220,700.00. I believe this is what this property is worth.
I find it hilarious that Wells Fargo prides itself on conservatism. They refused to originate option arms (which can be applauded) but they did millions of HELOCS in 2nd position behind option arms.
Go figure
That makes no sense to me either. They won’t originate toxic loans, but they will actually take a subordinate positions to them.
Did you check out those hooka GOGO boots in the closet? This chick was one hot irvine b*tch.
And the award for the most useless photo on the MLS goes to….
At least when there is a picture of a garage door you assume they will leave that behind when they leave. Or are these boots being left as a buyers incentive, kind of like 3 months HOA fees.
Nice observation! By the by ... listing says “mountain view”. Hmm.
Stretching it a bit methinks. Sure on the 10 clear days a month you will see Saddleback Mtn. but it’s not like QH is in the foothills or anything.
Again, with spin and the truth stretched to failure point is it any wonder this country is gurgling down the tubes?
In the next few years they’ll finish the development east of Irvine Blvd all the way to Bee Cyn (aka the dump). The developer will call it Landefille Meadows and crow about proximity to “sustainable recycling activity”. Gack.
Man that dude really hustled the sh!t out of Wells… Everyone wonders how the banks could be so stupid during the bubble. Easy ! It wasn’t their money either. C-level execs in this country are rewarded for taking huge amounts of risk. If it goes wrong, they pull the ripcord on a 40million dollar golden parachute and float safely to another company to repeat the process. The bank ? They just socialize the losses with bailout money from the fed and a bunch of faceless, nameless angry shareholders.
It’s capitalism gone wild !
I’m normally a lasse-faire kinda guy, but the amount of abject fraud in our financial system astounds me. The government ? Hell they’re in on it. The financial system ensures a steady stream of debt to foriegners while the fed debases the value of the dollar by printing money and the CPI folks continue to perfect their jungle camo.
Be glad that smart little folk can still manage to make a great living among all this theft and greed. We’re not Argentina, yet.
With prices averave 20-25% down, we are only half way of total collapse. If we hit a real bad recession with massive job loses, then I dont even want to speculate where we will end up. A stort surfaced on KNX1070 this morning where former homeowners are living in their cars and Santa Barbara was the first city to allow sleeping in cars in secured parking lots. Looks like American Dream turned into American Nightmere for a lot of people. Lets all thank Bush Admin for all this mess and thank him again for the stimulus check that I received yesterday. I will stimulate Canadian Economy when I visit there in June.
Yes, the Bush Administration is 100% responsible for inflated Irvine prices. It’s just too bad he was able to get the Dems to rollover in order to pass his Stimulus Package despite their strong opposition.
I read a book by Kim Stanley Robinson (a near future sci-fi) about global warming…Anyway, a scientist lost his house in a flood, and was left with only a job and a mini-van. He ended up putting a mattress in the mini-van, and joining a health club. Sounded like a pretty good idea—access to showers, a safe storage locker for any real valuables, and a place to stretch out and sleep. You can even get an adapter so you can plug in a hotplate or a mini-fridge. 24 hour fitness is only $25/month! Could get pretty hot in the summer, though, depending on where you live, but you can always hang out for the evening at the health club. (He also built a treehouse in a large, deserted public park, but that’s not as feasable). I’m totally doing that if I ever end up homeless—except with a VW bus.
I gotta say ochomehunter, Bush is just one man. But Greenspan, I think he’s actually a billion men. A monkey will prefer cocaine to food until it kills him. If you want to thank someone, thank Alan for the multi-decade liquidity party that we all binged on. If Bernanke decided to channel Volcker for a few years, he knows the avalanche of misery it would create (sobriety is a b!tch) would become his legacy, so he’s trying to take us down slowly. Unfortunately for him (read: US), now he’s got an inflation hurricane coming so he’ll have no choice but to start tightening up the hatches. With no more bubbles to blow (of any real significance) and countries hotly debating the much belated depeg from the dollar we could be in for a giant margin call that we’re not able to make.
Result: Audios, standard of living. Hola, hard work and savings.
Did we really think we could all get and stay rich selling each other cheeseburgers and foriegn made pergraniteel ?
Don’t just blame Bush for this. Yes he’s a monkey, but all politicians are. And oh by the way, so are we.
Good points amigo, although I don’t think I’m a monkey.
In the reality of your metaphor Ben Bernanke is the methodone clinic.
I don’t think things are so bad, at least not from my perspective. I have a job which I love that happens to pay well. I never got mixed up in the nonsense of debt or buying things I couldn’t afford so I really don’t care that it’s going away. I know there are a lot of people out here who can identify with what I’m saying.
If you don’t stay up all night drinking and doing blow, you don’t have to suffer a hangover the next day.
Good luck with stimulating the Canadian economy….given that our US dollars are approaching the old peso in value, your $10,000 might buy you a nice lunch at Tim Horton’s.
I am only interested if there’s Pergo with those granite countertops and stainless steel appliances.
“Don’t settle for graniteel, make sure it’s PER-graniteel!!!”
Have I turned cynical when they say “end unit” and I think “more likely to get robbed”. Guessing so.
Very astute. I keep thinking along the same lines ... the crime rate is about to sky rocket. When everyone is fat, dumb and happy no one’s trying to put one over on the next guy. With belts tightening and desperation setting in, desperate acts follow.
IR, Can you take look at this one?
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Irvine/7-Andalucia-92614/home/4661724
Sales History Property Tax
Date Price Appreciation
Jul 08, 1988 $356,000 —
Feb 08, 2008 $358,865 0.0%/yr
Very interesting, it’s in foreclosure