Accelerated Default: What Strategic Default Really Is

Jun 17th, 2010  
by IrvineRenter  in Library

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by Freetrader
2010-06-17 03:57 AM

Well, I am offended that I didn’t get one of those ‘stuck in London without money’ e-mails from your friendly scammers.  What, aren’t I good enough to be scammed?

“London United Kingdom”. So THAT’s where London is.  I was wondering.  Of course no American would ever write that they just ‘came down’ to London, since London is to the North of the entire US Mainland, including Wisconsin.  Do you ever get the feeling that the people who write those scam e-mails are the same people who write the RE listings on MLS?  Maybe the realtors moonlight in the scam business.  Or vice versa.

Astute Observation by OrangeRenter
2010-06-17 07:03 AM

I’d like to know if the $100,00 3rd was recorded the same day as the purchase money 1st & 2nd, or shortly thereafter.

Lender’s insist (and request in writing) that help with a downpayment be a gift with no expectation of repayment. Did they lie to the lender about the source of the $100k, and then record that “loan” after the purchased closed?

That would be a form of mortgage fraud…

Astute Observation by matt138
2010-06-17 06:00 PM

Or the realtor put up the money…

Astute Observation by matt138
2010-06-17 06:23 PM

Sure it’s risky, but think about it - you are a realtor competing against 1000s of other retards.  Lenders have dp requirements which limits the # of buyers.  If the realtor fronts the money and drafts a phony “gift letter” from relative - bada bing - realtor just created a buyer who normally shouldn’t get the loan.  Transaction closes and an additional loan is put on the property to pay back the realtor.  repeat process.

This results in many more closed deals per year for the realtor so risking the cash is well worth it.

finding these instances would be like shooting fish in a barrel.  investigate every transaction where a loan was taken out within a few months of close of escrow and follow the paper trail.  There would be some big time realtors and mortgage peeps who would go down BIG.

Any insiders who have seen this?  I am willing to bet this, or something very similar, is rampant.
And anybody reading this who has participated - you are an asshole and as a taxpayer, I am sick of paying for your ability to weasel people into loans.  And lenders, it’s not your money so i don’t see why you care but - get a brain morons - why is it so easy to scam you?

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2010-06-17 07:06 AM

Unemployment Surges Despite Economists Worthless Predictions

Astute Observation by newbie
2010-06-17 01:40 PM

AZDavidPhx,
Funny how bad news in burried and not linked to front page yahoo.com news. 

Yahoo new format of linking to multiple sites before the actual article is getting to be irrating.

1984 has returned.

Notice in the news the BP to have fund for the little people.  Then changed he means small business.  What about all the folk out of work cause of the oil spills?  Priority for the funds was to oil projects/business put on hold do to the spill.  Sounds like more of the same old song and dance.  How much of the $20 billion is BHO’s cut?

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2010-06-17 02:12 PM

The Ministry of Information wants you to only care about BP right now and all of their evil doings.  Nothing else is going on in the world.  Just sit in front of your TV like a good little consumer and drool all over yourself while watching the High Definition live footage of the oil gusher 24/7.

Astute Observation by Sue in Irvine
2010-06-17 08:08 AM

I like Jim Croce. I remember when he died in a small plane crash. He had some beautiful songs.

Astute Observation by tonye
2010-06-17 12:46 PM

And it’s bad, bad Leroy Brown
The baddest man in the whole damned town
Badder than old King Kong
And meaner than a junkyard dog

Astute Observation by Need Help ***urgent***
2010-06-17 08:21 AM

I’m sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent, but due to the situation of things right now, I’m stuck in my home right now, i came down here on a short sale and i was robbed, my equity, downpayment, and my ego were stolen off me at modification failure, so i only have access to my emails, it was such a crazy and brutal experience for me and i was hurt on my entitlement, but i’m glad i still have my life. I need help modifying my loan, the authorities are not being 100% supportive, i have been to the bank and the loan officers here in no man’s land, but they’re not helping issues at all, but the good thing is that i still have my shirt but don’t have enough money to get my payments caught up back home and some bills settled, please i need you to loan me some money, i promise to refund it as soon as I’m heloc’d. You can get it to me through my Fannie, email me back so that i can give you details to send it to.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2010-06-17 09:28 AM

I’m sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent, but due to the situation of things right now, I’m stuck in a 30 year mortgage right now and seriously underwater, i came down here on a short episode of irrational exhuberance and i was in house lust, my common sense, my financial future, unaffordable standard of living and my delusions of grandeur were stolen off me at BUBBLE BURST, so i only have access to my over-limit credit card, it was such a crazy and brutal experience for me and i was hurt on my ego, but i’m glad i still have my free rent as I squat with pride and blame evil bank.  I need help paying back home, the taxpayers and renters are not being 100% supportive, i have been to the bank and the Congress here in Washington, but they’re not helping issues at all, but the good thing is that i still have my Mastercard but dont have enough available credit to get my flight ticket back home and some bills settled, please i need you to loan me some money, i promise to refund it as soon as I’m back home. You can get it to me through western union, email me back so that i can give you details to send it to.

David

(AZDavidPhx)

Astute Observation by Sac_Boomer
2010-06-17 11:23 AM

AzDavid: I can only help you out in the form of KFC gift cards, I hope it helps.

That was the funniest thing I’ve seen!

SB

Astute Observation by es
2010-06-17 09:45 AM

<stands up, applauding>

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2010-06-17 10:04 AM

My Dearest Lender Sir,

EMERGENCY!!!!!!!

I’m sorry for this odd request because it might get to you too urgent, but due to the situation of things right now, I’m stuck in an exploding loan right now that I never thought would have to be paid, i came down here on a short speculative venture and i was tricked, my pen, signature, consent and my pledge to repay were forced off me at GUN POINT, so i only have option to blame you, it was such a crazy and brutal experience for me and i was hurt on my FICO score, but i’m glad i still have my scapegoat.  I need help cramming down my house loan, you are not being 100% supportive, i have been to the http://makinghomeaffordable.gov/ and called 1-888 995-HOPE, but they’re not helping issues at all, but the good thing is that i still have my house but dont have enough incentive to get out my checkbook and get my bills settled, please i need you write off some principal money, i promise to resume payment as soon as I’m back above water. You can get it back through TARP, email me back so that i can give you details.

David
(AZDavidPhx)

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2010-06-17 10:23 PM

Those parodies are classics. Well done.

Astute Observation by flyovercountry
2010-06-17 08:23 AM

Does that listing win the all time irvinehousingblog.com “Realtor not even pretending to care” award?

I first thought that IR’s photo was a photo shop joke, but that really is the only photo.

Astute Observation by winstongator
2010-06-17 08:26 AM

The message got directed to my spam folder (gmail).

What kind of picture is that?

How does a home sell for $2.1M and have a tax value of $1.5M?

Astute Observation by thrifty
2010-06-17 08:44 AM

Irvine Renter: Have you given any thought to discussing how short sale prices occasionally seem too good to be true - and how that happens?
Here are two as food for thought.
  The first is on Youtube and stated to be a Bank of America property: http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2010/06/short-sale-agent-takes-advantage-of.html?utm_source=patrick.net
  The second is in San Clemente: 8 Cantilena. Trulia shows this having sold in Dec, 2008, for $1.3M. It was sold short in Nov, 2009, for $577,500 and is now on market for $1.1M. It may have been a B of A property also. Here’s the Redfin listing:
http://www.redfin.com/CA/San-Clemente/8-Cantilena-92673/home/4973683
Given the amount of time most short sales take, it’s hard to believe these properties didn’t bring higher bids.

Astute Observation by Chuck Ponzi
2010-06-17 10:57 AM

That one has serious slope issues.

The bank wanted it sold and got rid of it for 577K.

The current owner is a flipper.

Astute Observation by thrifty
2010-06-17 11:39 AM

Thanks, Chuck. Interesting that no where in the listing description does the realtor mention anything about the slope problem. Sea Pointe in an expensive area; wonder if nearby houses on same slope also have problems.

Astute Observation by ICNIC
2010-06-17 08:45 AM

Hi IR
Even me, with my broken English, can tell it is not your style. Not your language, not the idea of shoping around for money, and not your romantic little home-town to which you told us last week your were heading. Besides, I believe that you would have had the way to get to a phone and call the people you trust. Had I received the mail (I found it in my gmail-spam now) I would probably try to get in touch through your real mail. Hope no one got hurt. Many “Shadow Readers” like me would have tried to help.

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2010-06-17 10:24 PM

Thank you for your support. I had others contact me with the same kind message.

Astute Observation by Soylent Green Is People
2010-06-17 11:04 AM

One of my favorite time-sucking intarweb sites is “419eater.com”.

They answer these emails, exchanging data over time unti the thing falls apart. During their back and forth replies, they ask the scammers to authenticate themselves with unique photgraphs of themselves. They’ve had scammers take pictures with barrels of fish on their heads, or funny notes written. Admire their cheeky responses to scumbags of this sort. If you’ve got some time head on over and look at their methods and of course their gallery:

http://www.419eater.com/html/trophy_room.htm

As soon as my lottery check clears the bank, I’m sending 419Eater a big fat check.

My .02c

Soylent Green Is People

Astute Observation by Sac_Boomer
2010-06-17 11:26 AM

I.R. Does this mean I’m not getting my money back?

Astute Observation by Anonymous
2010-06-17 12:31 PM

Will Irvine soon see a building boom?
http://www.ocregister.com/news/irvine-253843-development-city.html

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2010-06-17 01:25 PM

Our housing market put the economy into the recession and now will lead us out of the recession

-Irvine Mayor Suhkee Kang

LOL!  Kool-Aid quote of the day right there.

Astute Observation by RecoverylessRecovery
2010-06-17 01:20 PM

“Walking away may be the only option, but keep in mind that the foreclosure process is slow.  It can take a year from the last payment until the bank owns the home.  A person could live rent free for six months to a year before they had to leave—”

Actually, a person can live for YEARS rent free as a SQUATTER. Take my deadbeat neighbor for example (REALLY, please TAKE HIM); a public records search I did on ‘his’ property indicates the bastard hasn’t paid any property taxes since December of 2006. He currently owes $30.000 in back taxes. Considering the fact that most deadbeats like him usually stop paying property taxes ONLY after having stopped making their mortgage payments, in all probability he ALSO stopped paying his mortgage for an equal period of time.

Now with the current mark-to-model system of fraudulently appraising homes for what banks THINK they’re worth vs what they’re ACTUALLY worth, it is in the banks interest to continue to keep the losses OFF their books by allowing people to stay rent free in their house.

And that’s EXACTLY what they’re doing. That’s why I bought myself a house ..BUT in ANOTHER country and I paid it off in full already. THIS country is FINISHED and as far as I’m concerned the USA is a depressing SHITHOLE of fraud, lies and incompetence. Who the FOOK would want to buy a house here?

Astute Observation by matt138
2010-06-17 06:28 PM

It’s a recoveryless recovery.  lmao!

Astute Observation by QuailHillTony
2010-06-17 01:25 PM

It says that the community is Tustin Fields, but this looks like Quail Hill to me.

Astute Observation by RecoverylessRecovery
2010-06-17 01:31 PM

PS: the U.S. is currently COOKING all the official data it releases. CPI, GDP, unemployment indexes; ALL are doctored & massaged in order to make them look pretty and acceptable. NY state recently took out a $6 billion loan from its pension fund in order to pay back ..its own pension fund. Several other states are doing the same. And the U.S. government is ALSO surreptitiously buying its own T-bills.

The fact is; the USA is INSOLVENT and anyone foolish enough to tie themselves to a 30 year mortgage under THESE conditions is only setting themselves up for FAILURE when the inevitable time comes when the federal government will start implementing NEW taxes to bleed homeowners dry. Expect Prop 13-like tax initiatives to go the way of the Dodo bird as the government desperately starts the shakedown.

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2010-06-17 02:25 PM

Yahoo is crazy. This is their response to the offending emails:

If you are an individual being impersonated by a Yahoo! Mail user, I
will need a signed statement from you denying any involvement with the
account, as well as a copy of the email (including full Internet
headers) that is going out in your name. If you do not have an actual
email message, please give us a detailed explanation of why you believe
you are being impersonated. I will also need a copy of your photo ID.

If your company is being impersonated by a Yahoo! Mail account, I will
need a signed statement on company letterhead denying any involvement
with the account, as well as a copy of the email (including full
Internet headers) that is going out with the company name.

Astute Observation by Stock Investor
2010-06-17 04:22 PM

No, it is automated reply from robot.

Astute Observation by irvine_home_owner
2010-06-17 04:39 PM

Those requirements don’t sound very crazy to me.

They are just trying to make sure you are making a valid claim.

Astute Observation by IrvineRenter
2010-06-17 10:25 PM

Would you send them your photo ID?

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