A proposed amendment to the California Constitution to ban foreclosures

Aug 4th, 2011  
by IrvineRenter  in Library News

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by winstongator
2011-08-04 03:56 AM

I am as bleeding heart a Democrat as there is, but this amendment is the Worst Idea Ever.

How about we do this for car loans, but don’t let the lender repo the car.  You can always put your home on your 20% credit card - this is only slightly tongue in cheek, as I’m sure many homeowners used their credit cards up to the limit to keep up with their home payments.  The opposite of strategic defaulters?

Is it bikable from this condo to UCI?  Are $300k condos something parents buy for students?  In my college town it was more like $50-60k condos.  That town did have a planned condo project that was targeted as ‘football weekend luxury condos’.  Condos that would be used 10 weekends a year.  On a prime corner just off campus, 1/2 mile walk to the football stadium.  It was a terrible idea and the lot where it was planned for still sits empty.

Astute Observation by alan
2011-08-04 09:31 AM

Yup, UCI parents buy this, they put bunk beds in each bedroom so they can cram 4 students into it, then you charge each one $1,000/month rent and viola… +++ cash flow..

Of course, the condo gets trashed but at least they can’t break those granite counter tops.

Astute Observation by rkp
2011-08-04 10:39 AM

I have lived in this complex for 1.5 years and have seen the community decline quickly.  I am a renter but I do think that a community full of renters will not be as nice as a community full of owners.  The incentive to maintain communal property isnt as strong.  Things like littering, cigarette butts, smoking in the hallways and stairs (not much ventilation so strong odor), loud noise, kicking doors to open instead of pushing the bar, etc.  Just ask yourself how you treat a rental car and how you treat your own car. 

Compound that with underwater owners renting out to less than ideal tenants like 3-4 college students in a 2 bedroom and you get a very different atmosphere. 

This wont rent for $4000 even if you rent to 4 college students.  They arent stupid and can easily find a 2 bedroom for $2000 in the area and then still move in 4 people.  This will rent for $1600-1800 tops.

The unit I am in first sold for $700K+!  A little over 1200 sq ft and $700K+—> insanity.  My landlord bought it for $450K and I dont think he can sell it for $350K today.  I also dont think the featured unit will get even $250K.

Astute Observation by alan
2011-08-04 03:55 PM

my nephew is one of those students..  my sisters pays like 1500/month for him to share a tiny dorm room on campus and get like one or two awfull, cafeteria style meals/day.  this place would be heaven compared to his dorm room

Astute Observation by rkp
2011-08-04 11:27 PM

If your nephew has a car and doesnt care to live in campus housing, then he really should move.  Most people want to stay in campus housing because of the experience of being around your friends.

Astute Observation by Hank
2011-08-08 11:53 AM

I actually have more positive than negative things to say about the dorm food at UCI.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-08-04 05:57 AM

Wow!  Reads just like something off of theOnion.com!

Astute Observation by Will
2011-08-04 06:45 AM

How about an initiative to ban ugliness or meanness or failure? I can’t stand any of those.  If we pass an initiative banning them there will be no more mean, ugly people or failure. Problems solved!

Astute Observation by r€nato
2011-08-04 07:05 AM

Is Mr. Benson’s proposal absurd? Sure. But no more absurd than the notion possessed by quite a few that they deserve to benefit from public schools, police, fire, military defense, public roads etc but don’t want to pay any taxes.

And unlike Mr. Benson, these people have a significant number of politicians who will happily cater to their desires to get something for nothing.

Cracked.com recently featured an article citing 10 examples of how our civil court system is thoroughly screwed up. What followed were 10 examples of outrageous suits that people filed… and all of them either failed to win a judgement or won a much, much smaller judgement than that originally sought.

Anybody can propose any daft idea in this country, like returning to the gold standard or banning foreclosure. Doesn’t mean it’s a reason to panic.

Astute Observation by whatever
2011-08-04 09:53 AM

Are you are talking about the 49% of people in this country who pay no federal income tax and want to keep it that way by increasing borrowing and taxes on the 51% who do?

Astute Observation by HydroCabron
2011-08-04 10:36 AM

And people who don’t own sailboats pay no slip fees.

The bottom half pays plenty in state, local, and payroll taxes. I’m not sure why this fact that they get a break on federal income taxes gets so much play. Maybe AM radio is the best explanation.

Astute Observation by Johnny come lately
2011-08-04 01:30 PM

Everyone needs to pay their fair share. Pony up my friend.

Astute Observation by HydroCabron
2011-08-04 11:00 AM

Anybody can propose any daft idea in this country, like returning to the gold standard or banning foreclosure. Doesn’t mean it’s a reason to panic.

You misunderstand our “liberal” (ahahahaha!) media. You see, ridiculous left-wing stuff which never goes anywhere, is overturned on appeal, or costs us hundreds of millions (e.g., cushy public-sector unionized jobs) is trumpeted all over the media: “That bastard tried to trim his hedge with the lawnmower and sued? Horrors!” - except that one never happened.

Meanwhile, real Patriot Acts and real wars which cost us trillions - well, they didn’t really happen. Oh, and those tax cuts without corresponding spending cuts which also cost us trillions and did nothnig to stimulate creative investment or create jobs? They need to be kept, else the wealthy will all leave the country and we’ll be bereft without them.

Now the same people who lie awake nights worrying about the well-being of the wealthy have tried to send treasuries into a spiral by flirting with default. Guess who holds a lot of treasuries? Why, the wealthy in this country, of course! That’s the triumph of brainwashed ideology over principles: the wealthy are, finally, subservient to the creed of an ideology which by definition is inerrant.

Any examination of how corporations and wealthy individuals have gamed our system is deferred in favor of questions like “Public workers: 100% worthless, or 100% evil?” and “Are we blaming unions enough? Should we kick them or just spit on them?”

Astute Observation by Anonymous
2011-08-04 07:46 AM

Big money gets into buying foreclosures and renting them out

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904292504576484571234105448.html?mod=ITP_pageone_0

Astute Observation by Lemon Spaceship
2011-08-04 08:01 AM

“(a) Real estate lending institutions have failed to provide a simple method of loan modification and foreclosure prevention.”

LOL - a simple method to prevent foreclosure: pay the mortgage!

But really the state legislature is more like a bad sitcom. A great many of these proposals are not serious, they’re just posturing for votes.

Astute Observation by Anonymous
2011-08-04 10:00 AM

Mortgage Insurer PMI Warns of Shutdown; Shares Plummet

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903366504576488100257382130.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection

Astute Observation by wheresthebeef
2011-08-04 10:34 AM

A 47% loss in Irvine if it sells for the ask.  I thought Irvine was immune to the bubble.

Maybe a savy parent will buy this place so their kids can go to Uni High…it is afterall the eigth best high school in the country.  A small price to pay.

Bwahaahaha.

Astute Observation by Marc
2011-08-04 12:05 PM

It’s actually the Santa Ana school district! Same with all the other medium-/high-rises in the area.

Astute Observation by wheresthebeef
2011-08-04 01:30 PM

Oh boy, there’s goes my idea of buying up all the units and making it a Uni High clown house. 

That being the case, they’ll be lucky to get low 200K for this. 

I’ve talked to plenty of young proffesionals (the ones who should be buying places like this).  Comments I get:  why buy an apartment when you can rent one, prices are still inflated, prices aren’t going up anytime soon and probably the most popular…I don’t know if I’ll have my job in ______ (fill in the blank).  Home buying isn’t quite what it was to prior generations…smart kids.

Astute Observation by Chris
2011-08-04 05:48 PM

SHHH….don’t tell that to PR (where the hell is he anyway?). He’ll claim that SFH are holding up nicely from the 2009 low, thank u very much.

Astute Observation by Alan
2011-08-04 10:40 AM

Sometimes you just want to give people what they demand, and let them decide if they like the result. Having the California housing market go to a 100% down payment system might turn out to be an interesting experience. It would sure be nice to get a (huge!) loan before the bill passes though.

A number of states are doing the experiment with gun ownership for practically anyone, concealed carry permission, etc. If they are right, then they’ll be much safer, crime will vanish and the rest of the states will see the light and follow suit. Perhaps the Tea Partiers should see what no Medicare, no Social Security, cops and firefighters on no benefits and hourly minimum wages will really look like.

Astute Observation by zubs
2011-08-04 11:13 AM

If this gets on the ballot vote YES on it.  Mortgage lending in CA will then become nonexistent.  We need to start a campaign.

Voting yes on this law will cause house prices to go drop, because it will be hard to find a lender.  I am liking this unintended consequence.

Astute Observation by All your housing are belong to us!
2011-08-04 01:45 PM

Yep cash only market. Welcome to the 1800s…let’s get back on the gold standard while were at it. Abolish the FED now!

Astute Observation by DarthFerret
2011-08-04 12:35 PM

Perhaps the Tea Partiers should see what no Medicare, no Social Security, cops and firefighters on no benefits and hourly minimum wages will really look like.

I’ll settle for drastically-reduced SSA/Medicare (safety nets, not full-fledged retirement plans) and cops/firefighters not retiring on 90% of their full working salaries. Oh, and kill these ‘cadillac’ healthcare plans for gov’t workers, too. Civil service healthcare plans should reflect what private sector workers receive.

Why do I get to dictate these things? Because I pay your salary, that’s why. Now say “yes, boss” and get back to pretending to work.

-Darth

Astute Observation by HydroCabron
2011-08-04 01:28 PM

Not to pick apart your post - it’s done often enough on the Internet - but why no mention of military retirement benefits? 20 years cliff vesting? Why not a corporate-style pension system for them as well?

Astute Observation by DarthFerret
2011-08-04 03:12 PM

Not to pick apart your post

Actually, that is what you intend to do. Go right ahead.

but why no mention of military retirement benefits? 20 years cliff vesting? Why not a corporate-style pension system for them as well?

First of all, my post was far from comprehensive. I wasn’t delivering my all-encompassing vision for every aspect of gov’t policy.

But, since you ask, I am in favor of bumping military retirement age up to 25 years. Much beyond that, however, and you run into the ability of an aging force to perform in combat. Even with all of our technology, light infantry ground combat is still a younger-man’s game. Alternately, we could make combat arms 20 years for retirement, combat support branches 25 years, and combat service support branches 30 years (these are distinctions in the U.S. Army; don’t know much about Air Farce and Knavey). I’d even favor delaying the payout of retirement benefits until age 60+. I don’t favor double-dipping; if they can work, they should work. Military disability pay can continue to cover those injured while on duty and unable to work.

Having said all this, the military should NOT run on exactly the same standards as the non-military gov’t workers. There are some special benefits for standing in harm’s way. Folks at the DMV aren’t exactly throwing themselves on IED’s on a daily basis.

-Darth

Astute Observation by darms
2011-08-04 09:57 PM

How about a lifelong ban on high-ranking military officials from working for defense contractors or lobbying firms? Could add this as a condition of them receiving their rank.

Astute Observation by Jack-Booted EULA
2011-08-04 11:57 PM

Want some real savings? Thirty years, no payout til 65. Can’t fill the positions? Bring back the draft.

:o)

Astute Observation by DarthFerret
2011-08-05 12:58 PM

Lots of unintended consequences there. I suspect that a lot of the more capable officers would depart the service right before that cutoff. The lower you make it, the less effective your military becomes. I hate corruption as much as the next guy, but I also don’t want a cadre of incompetent officers unnecessarily killing U.S. soldiers. There might be fore effective ways to combat this problem of corruption and undue influence.

-Darth

Astute Observation by Casual Observer
2011-08-04 11:54 AM

A perfect example of why California should do away with the initiative process.  Or at least require that any initiative have judicial review BEFORE it is put on any ballot.  There are enough ill-informed, stupid people out there that might vote for this.  Isn’t that why we elect and support a State Legislature?

Or, maybe, this act should be extended to stock purchases and any other investment vehicles….wow, that’s a great idea raspberry

Astute Observation by Vincenzo
2011-08-04 12:38 PM

There is nothing strange in this amendment.
If people can vote, they always vote for additional benefits.

Alexander Tyler was a 18th century historian/economist who wrote “The Cycle of Democracy” in 1778.

“A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world’s great civilizations has been two hundred years.

These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage.”

Astute Observation by Kalifornia Kid
2011-08-04 01:49 PM

Thankfully this country isn’t a democracy, it’s a republic.

Astute Observation by Alix_Khan
2011-08-04 04:52 PM

<Sigh> If I had a dollar for every time I had to put up with this, I will have a home in Turtle Rock by now smile

We are a democracy AND a republic. We are a republic because the supreme control of the govt. is not help by some monarch. We are a democracy because all citizens have a direct say in elections, and hence, running of the government.

Canada is a democracy but not a republic as they have constitutional monarchy.

China is not a democracy but is a republic. Note their name, People’s Republic of China.

Saudi Arabia is neither a democracy or a republic.

USA is a democracy and a republic.

Astute Observation by darms
2011-08-04 10:02 PM

On paper we’re a constitutional democratic republic. In reality though, we’re something else these days…

Astute Observation by Alicia
2011-08-04 03:10 PM

Maybe and then again..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Fraser_Tytler#Misquotation_-_Tytler_Cycle

Astute Observation by awgee
2011-08-04 01:56 PM

Why don’t they just get it over with and draft a Constitutional ammendment that negates private property rights?

Astute Observation by CapitalismWorks
2011-08-04 04:59 PM

They gotta take away the guns first.

Astute Observation by Chris
2011-08-04 05:49 PM

Yeah, chipping away the 2nd amendment will be the end of America as we speak.

Astute Observation by darms
2011-08-04 10:07 PM

Yeah, I’m sure your privately owned handgun is a match for an Apache helicopter sporting a mini-gun or two or a Predator drone w/Hellfire missiles. Private weaponry is no match for US Military/National Guard/local police firepower these days and folks who think otherwise are fooling themselves. (or are international arms dealers)

Astute Observation by Cheryl
2011-08-05 01:02 AM

My Husband and I just celebrated the paying off of our 30 year mortgage. Nobody ever reduced our interest or our principal amount. What a nightmare our entire economy has become. I don’t know if it will ever be the same again. Very sad!

Astute Observation by PQuincy
2011-08-08 07:11 AM

I’m just appalled by the semi-literate misuse of the English language in Mr. Benson’s proposal. I recommend we give it to his 7th-grade English teacher for review (if there are any 7th-grade English teachers left after school budget cuts that leave administration untouched, after Federal mandates, after the latest pedagogical craze for grammar-free teaching, and after the latest heavily armed 7th-grader runs amok).

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