51% think homeownership encourages excessive debt, 49% don’t care

Apr 6th, 2011  
by IrvineRenter  in Library News

Astute Observations

Astute Observation by Anonymous
2011-04-06 05:45 AM

California expands its foreclosure relief effort

The California Housing Finance Agency will now allow homeowners who refinanced their properties for cash or took out home equity lines of credit to participate in three of its four programs. They had initially been excluded.

http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-keep-your-home-20110406,0,2942301.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+latimes/mostviewed+(L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories)

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-04-06 07:24 AM

You have to work really hard to come up with a $2 Billion dollar fund that has -100% return.

Only the California government is capable of such a feat.  It helps when you aren’t spending your own money I suppose.  All of us responsible folks have a share.  The debtors can thank us for making this possible.  All you renters out there make sure to send the check, oh wait never mind they will take it out of your pay automatically.  The bills are coming due for the debtors that stuck around and they need a nice house to live in.

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-04-06 07:29 AM

Thank god this is federal money, it’s nice to know the Laura Louzaders in the non bubble fly over states are lending their hand in this great time of need.

Whoever said life was fair was either not playing the game or making the rules.

Astute Observation by Laura Louzader
2011-04-06 06:11 PM

I have news- Chicago experienced a massive bubble and our laughably overbuilt condo market has totally collapsed. Cook County has about 1200 REO houses and condos on the multilist, and a “shadow” inventory of over 28,000 REO properties.

Yes, these are REOs, already bank owned. That figure does not include deeply underwater properties, properties delinquent on payments but not yet being foreclosed, properties in some stage of foreclosure, or short sales. There are many, many developer foreclosures on converted buildings in my neighborhood, and on massive 60 story 600 unit buildings in the South Loop, River North and South Streeterville. Here, too, one bank has published a list of buildings that it will not write mortgages in because these buildings, mostly new construction or new conversions, are so burdened with foreclosures and unpaid assessments that it’s inevitable that more of their paying owners still there will be driven underwater and out the door by the extra assessments to offset all the non-paying delinquent owners.

I waited for the bubble to break from 2002 to 2004, by what time it was glaringly evident that there was, as Paul Volker put it in 2004, “excessive risk” in the system, and the tower of debt and debt derivatives was utterly out of control, with something like $400 Trillion (that’s not a typo) worth of debt derivatives against $40 Trillion worth of overvalued mortgages.

The bubble and its fallout not only deprived me of a decent place at a decent price, but destabilized my job and endangered my retirement, left millions of other unemployed, and deprived our children of a decent future. It is profoundly depressing to consider what awaits young people who’ve gone deeply into debt to finance educations in demanding professions such as engineering and the hard sciences, just to confront rapidly shrinking opportunity with fewer job niches every year, stuck my elderly mother with stratospheric property taxes while reducing her interest income on her savings to nearly zero, the better to induce her to invest in a stock market that looks rigged to blow any day.

We who are not the bonus boyz of the financial cartel are paying and will keep on paying for this in thousands of ways- taxes, losses, lost opportunity, a destabilized job market, higher property taxes, and a reduced standard of living for at least another 20 years.

Astute Observation by AZDavidPhx
2011-04-06 10:49 AM

Another backdoor giveaway to mortgage Pimps.

Note that the change of heart is supposedly unemployment of Californians.  Yet nobody is talking about creating makework for the unemployed.  No no, the money is earmarked and set aside for mortgage payments.  They don’t want to just hand everyone a check because then the people might spend the money on food rather than the mortgage.

As usual, unemployed renters need not apply for any “help”.  Go find a homeless shelter.  Throw another rat on the barbie.

Yes, it is all about that pesky unemployment.  It has nothing to do with squatters not paying the mortgage or way too many foreclosures that banks can’t handle.  Yes, it is all about unemployment, starving children, and AIDS in Africa when the Politicos need to launder some money to their buddies.

Get ready for another round of “disappointment” and righteous indignation in the coming months when the foreclosures continue to skyrocket despite all of the “help” with the bankers and the politicians crying right along with the masses and laughing it up on the Golf Course.

Astute Observation by Planet Reality
2011-04-06 01:17 PM

David, everyone needs to pitch in to get them current on their mortgages.

It will help out the children.

The children of the bankers.

Astute Observation by tenmagnet
2011-04-06 01:45 PM

Sad but true,
Heads they win, tails you lose.
Money controls everything.

Astute Observation by winstongator
2011-04-06 07:39 AM

What I found interesting during the price increases of the bubble was that even as prices and values were increasing, overall equity as a % of total household real estate assets was decreasing.  This was also happening as households were aging.  IMO, as you age, your equity position in your home should increase not decrease.

On an aggregate, you can increase the price of debt-fueled assets by just decreasing the equity.  If we had $20 Trillion in assets and 50% in equity, we could keep the same dollar value of equity, but have $40 Trillion in assets with a shift to 25% equity.

A good way to measure Ponzi-Factor is how many households are paying > 30% (or an even higher %) towards a mortgage.  There are many reasons why someone would devote that much of their income to a mortgage, but the main one is the hope for appreciation.

Astute Observation by octal77
2011-04-06 09:59 AM

For a given property most MLS listings will quote a $price/sqft value.

I have often wondered if it would be possible to calculate (in an automated way) $debt/sqft and $equity/sqft.

If Ziprealty or Redfin or others could calculate,
it sure would help to evaluate a specific property.

In aggregate, such data would provide some very interesting trendline statistics.

Astute Observation by Vincenzo
2011-04-06 10:04 AM

Can anybody explain?

I pay a huge sales tax when I buy a used car, and then pay annual taxes on it. And the seller has already paid sales tax on the car when it was registered.

But a house buyer pays no sales tax; though, it’s used to pay salaries to teachers, firefighters, police who increase the value of the home.
A sales tax will discourage flippers from speculations.

Astute Observation by winstongator
2011-04-06 10:30 AM

In NC, you do pay a ‘sales tax’, but it is the cost of the ‘document stamp’ on the deed transfer.  However, that is only 0.2% (2$ for each 1k of sale price).  A larger real-estate transfer tax was proposed, and you can guess who was against it whole-heartedly (NAR & NCAR).

I would also like to see a tax on a sale of a mortgage note (or other financial instrument) as well, by the same logic.  If flipping homes is bad, why is flipping stocks good?

Astute Observation by Vincenzo
2011-04-06 11:13 AM

You can’t avoid taxes when you flip stocks.
I think you have to pay 25% of your profit if you don’t keep stocks for long enough time.

Yeah, different lobbies are killing America.
* Banking lobby
* Military lobby
* Real Estate lobby
* Medical lobby
...

But no Renter Lobby.

Astute Observation by Perspective
2011-04-06 01:34 PM

Huh?  Short-term capital gains (< 1 year) are taxed at the seller’s ordinary income tax rate.

The last thing we need in California is more taxation.

Astute Observation by winstongator
2011-04-07 06:48 AM

There is a huge difference in a transactions tax and a capital gains tax.  (Using a bank-centric example) If you borrow $1Billion to end up making 1% on a transaction, that is $10M in cap gains, for a tax in the ballpark of $2.5M.  If there was a 1% transactions tax, you would not make the transaction because that 1% gain would not have been there.  Lots of banks and financial players make their money picking up nickels in front of a steamroller (nod to Lowenstein).  Good business until the steamroller catches up. 

These types of small profits in highly leveraged situations are destabilizing.  Who pays for the eventual stabilization needed?  Taxpayers.  That is the justification for taxing those transactions.

Astute Observation by Vincenzo
2011-04-06 11:18 AM

How funny!
They asked people in NC to vote if they wanted new taxes. Certainly, everybody voted against taxes.

Only a dictator will be able to balance the US balance.

Astute Observation by Anonymous
2011-04-06 11:20 AM

Gotta wonder about that.  it’s raise taxes, cut spending, or just print it and let the debt inflate away.  Can’t help notice gold & stock market rising lately ... perhaps in anticipation of the answer.

Astute Observation by winstongator
2011-04-07 07:02 AM

At some point, the economy will actually improve.  At that point, interest rates will rise, and there will be real pressure on the deficit.  Then taxes will go back up, and much spending will already have gone down (less unemployment to pay when UE is at 5% than when it’s at 10%).  Interest rates rising will be the precipitating factor causing tax rates to go up.

Astute Observation by gepetoh
2011-04-06 11:18 AM

That would be a massive tax bill…  I guess it’s because they consider a home an essential good, like milk & bread, which is not taxed either.  Not opposed to sales tax on real estate, but I think that might have to come with a revised sales tax rate.  Or at least a much more controlled process of rate revision.  It’s much too easy for the state govt to play around with it right now.

Astute Observation by matt138
2011-04-06 01:11 PM

flippers are not the problem.  government involvement is the problem.

another tax will solve nothing.

Astute Observation by Vincenzo
2011-04-06 11:43 AM

Who will cover the losses of “innocent victims of predatory lending” if there are no new taxes?

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